2024 Model Y RWD (US Spec) Is A Charging Beast! - 0-100% & 10-80% Full Charge Analysis

[@brandenflasch]

So turns out this video is no longer relevant... Tesla will apparently be offering unlocks for existing RWD and now they have a LR RWD. x.com/elonmusk/status/1786586974108909815?s=46&t=qT5Mqn6Y80K93tBN1ZDU0Q Graphs: x.com/brandenflasch/status/1786598518724898880?s=46&t=qT5Mqn6Y80K93tBN1ZDU0Q See info about the CAN data and how to interpret it here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/paGbkq2Flt97kJYsi=JIMoe8doP8hbBZeN&t=248

[@bigoldjim4696]

Tesla just does the most random shit. Usually it works out. Usually.

[@GeneCain-l6q]

Tesla is 5 steps in front of all of us lol.

[@zachlafond2652]

so odd and really makes sense. Weird because i was looking at this model and noticed the price was more..now i know why.

[@laloajuria4678]

so its gone and it was just unlocked potential? weird.....

[@SaugusDudley]

However, doesn’t buying to unlock that mean we are buying the part of the battery that is degraded? Over time if I don’t unlock the battery will degrade but my useable won’t drop until it gets down to 68 kWh of battery. If I buy the extra mileage i immediately see degradation.

[@ChaimLoecher]

LoL - 24hrs after this a new LR RWD is offered by Tesla... Keeping up with Tesla is mind blowing. Best offering IMO

[@GeneCain-l6q]

Wow that is extremely impressive charging curve and will make quite a bit of difference with saving the 5K from the long range and still get the same 7,500 from the US government. Have a M3 rwd lfp and want a MY and this may fit the bill. 10-80 average at 132 KW is so fast in 22 minutes. Way faster than my m3 lfp. Thanks for letting us know about the battery capacity and actual miles in the video. Super informative. Thanks dude.

[@Robert-pm6bm]

@12:00 There is still is a big benefit in going to a V3, for multiple reasons. -less chance of charging speeds being de-rated with sharing. -better cable cooling. -faster charger speeds.

[@OffgridApartment]

Seems to me the software lock achieves a few things. 1. Artificially keeps people from over charging extending battery life. 2. Allows Tesla to feed in excess capacity (if they want to) as the battery degrades over time maintaining use experience. 3. Like you discovered, allows for a decent charging curve with a relatively “weak” charging speed which has its own host of site and grid benefits if implemented broadly.

[@NickWindham]

Good point about the weak peak kW helping their charging infrastructure. I didn’t think of that factor.

[@Rpp92898]

I really miss Model Y AWD Standard range, although charging curve was bad on 4680 but getting AWD was a big plus for someone living in NJ.

[@anthonyc8499]

Despite being now a bit out of date, this is still relevant if only to showcase that Teslas can charge fast if they want them to. It’s shocking to contrast this Y’s charging performance vs Highland Model 3 that takes a mediocre 30 mins to go 10-80% and it does 100 miles in the Out of Spec 10% Challenge.

[@Ginger_head_Man]

Awesome video, the charging performance is great!

[@LearningFast]

They just added the long range Model Y RWD to the site and removed this vehicle. I guess they finally uncorked it?

[@Lorwildrose]

That is a cool way of getting better charging but most times there’s a buffer built in for a lot of cars, but maybe not as big to make a difference like this M-Y?

[@brandenflasch]

Correct

[@njnaomie]

Did you pay State Sales Tax upfront or was it rolled into your loan? Thanks

[@dkras]

Thats pretty insane! Makes sense since elon just said its software capped and has another 60miles

[@brandenflasch]

Yep

[@RichardBrooklyn]

Play button: 11:15 Everything before is fluff

[@tumbleweed1976]

Love the battery data. Our biggest hold out is insurance.

[@NickWindham]

Check out Goosehead. Ask them them to quote Root. No telemtrics and my premium is $80/mo less than it was with Tesla Insurance, which requires telemetrics to the extreme.

[@jiggytito116]

Is insurance higher with this battery? Or you mean overall?

[@tumbleweed1976]

@@jiggytito116 Overall with EV, California.

[@NickWindham]

Shop GooseHead insurance. They have deal with Root Insurance that’s much cheaper that any other policy and you don’t even have your send them telemetry driving data.

[@georgeking5113]

What is the actual SOC at 60%? That’s what I daily charge mine as I have a short commute and want to keep the battery at around 50% for maximum battery health. Any insight would be greatly appreciated. Edit: nvm. Just saw, so roughly at 60% it’s actually at around 53%. Appreciate the work!

[@mattc6854]

confused why this car cant charge at 250kW if it has the long range pack?

[@Kareem-cx4fi]

Pay for play. It's how Tesla differentiates models. You want faster charging, pay for the higher end model. Same reason Tesla used to disable speakers that were installed in base model 3 to help differentiate it from the long range.

[@bsaxman2012]

This is a good video.

[@CHELIK063]

Is there any change to force HVB to charge until its peak? I got 100% shown on the screen, but cell voltages are 4.13, means im around 93% of charge. Why does it refuse to charge fully but shows 100%?

[@brandenflasch]

Software limited battery

[@CHELIK063]

@@brandenflasch how do I unlock it then? I mean, BMS shows 61.8 kwh capacity left and it once dropped from 68 to 62 like in 4-5 cycles, Im trying to figure out how and why, its impossible to have such big drop of capacity in 5 charging cycles, I guess its related to OCV lock to 4.13 on 100% of charge

[@brandenflasch]

@CHELIK063 pay for the energy boost

[@CHELIK063]

@@brandenflasch actually i dont get it, how its supposed to help anyways when hvb literally undercharges

[@johnpoldo8817]

Brandon, thanks for this deep dive into charge times. This rear wheel model replaces miles almost twice as fast as all wheel model. Maybe the only downside is part of the pack is wasted by software limiting. You are carrying this pack weight, but not getting any range from it.

[@gao57009]

Awesome video. QUESTION: As of today (MAY 4), the standard range RWD is no longer available. Only a long range version. I assume this means the software limitation is removed on the 2170 battery pack, OR are they using the 4680 cells again??. If that is the case (2170 battery pack), will the charge curve for the long range battery pack for 10-80% charging be the same?

[@brandenflasch]

That’s correct

[@SaltyStitcherDesigns]

Thank you Branden for the great video. Does the 2024 model y dual motor performance have a different battery and, thus different charging curve?

[@brandenflasch]

Same battery, different curve due to not having the software lock

[@SaltyStitcherDesigns]

Thank you Branden. Do you plan on testing this one? We are in the market to purchase one in June. If so, looking forward to the video.

[@Marreroortiz]

Hi Branden! I’m about to pick up my new 2024 model y rwd… I believe it has a 260 mile range…. I wonder if the new LR RWD os better since the price is a little bit more. Thanks!

[@jiggytito116]

@@Marreroortiz I would like to know as well. Did they mention to you that it was a locked software battery pack? My Tesla Advisor could not give me a definitive answer. Which is frustrating. I don’t know who to call to ask. Or how I can find out.

[@Marreroortiz]

@@jiggytito116Your are very right …. If I buy a software, it will give me more range… it has the same battery pack!

[@jg7068]

With the MY being software locked, does that mean we can theoretically charge it to 100% with little to no degredation?

[@jorge3234]

Seems like it

[@WaynePeacock]

Any idea about the non-software limited charging curve? (It’s the only one I could buy right now.)

[@bretballard-si5fv]

Branden, does this have an LG or Panasonic battery? I nhave a December build 23 Y RWD. Does my car have the same battery?

[@derrickla]

I have a December 2023 model Y RWD and I see over 200 kW of charging speed at a supercharger. I understand it does have a different battery than the 2024 Y RWD.

[@tallbrownie8109]

Oh this is a new model y long range RWD ...u already got this release? Wow

[@brandenflasch]

This was the previous RWD

[@stanpiers247]

The crosseyed vampire is back !!!!!

[@suvari225]

I don't know if I missed but the cell voltage went up to 4.2v regardless of the pack being limited to 85% SoC? I wonder if the car hides the energy below zero, instead of the top. I would still use caution to charge these vehicles to 100%.

[@brandenflasch]

I suspect a rounding

[@suvari225]

However, Teslas never charge to 90-100% at 50-60kw speeds. So, that indicates a little top buffer. But I still don't think there is a 15% buffer on top. Perhaps 7.5% on top and 7.5% on the bottom? They perhaps wanted to hit just 4.2v (or 4.15v and rounded up) at the cell level, and leave the rest as buffer. Because as you mentioned bottom voltage of 3.0v seems too high as well. Anyways excellent video thanks

[@brandenflasch]

@suvari225 look at the usable capacity vs full

[@suvari225]

@@brandenflasch you mean “batt remaining kwh” 67.4kwh or something vs 79kwh? Still doesn’t explain if all is on the top.

[@brianmurray7961]

Have a MY LR order on hold and your videos are making me seriously consider the RWD with the data you provide. The Tesla sales rep I was working with told me they recommend to charge to 80% on the RWD which contradicts the real world test you performed - he has been “reassigned”. Appears the charge curve, ability to charge more often to 100% and a $1500 to $2000 upgrade at a future date (which makes the RWD a LR - minus the dual motors) makes the RWD a better buy. Leaning towards changing my order to the RWD as acceleration and AWD are not needed for us. Am I missing any other advantages to the RWD? Thanks for doing this, great video.

[@brandenflasch]

Just get the LR RWD vs counting on an upgrade option being available

[@brianmurray7961]

Thanks and saw the new LR RWD was available after I watched your video. Things change fast in the Tesla world.

[@bobtruck1594]

I'm the opposite. Think these batteries are all garbage. If I buy and have to be with these lithium packs, I'm getting at least the refreshed model.

[@Milhouse77BS]

I bought this one on purpose to save $2,000. Picking up on Friday.

[@jiggytito116]

I placed an order on a rare Quick Silver one but they Tesla Advisors can’t give me a concrete answer if it’s a software locked battery. It’s a 2024. How can I verify?

[@bigoldjim4696]

So any bets on if the LR RWD has the same charging curve as the long range (with is just fine, but not awesome)?

[@brandenflasch]

Likely

[@bigoldjim4696]

@@brandenflasch Just bought a leftover RWD. Guess we'll find out.

[@isosonsuz]

Which app are u using to monitor

[@brandenflasch]

Teslax as discussed

[@isosonsuz]

@@brandenflasch thanks. My English is not well. I missed it think

[@backdoormanintheend]

Since it's about 86% software limited, why not charge it to 95% to equate to 80% of the long range pack?

[@brandenflasch]

You can just pause there… that’s the perk of 0-100%, you can stop wherever

[@jeffandich3894]

(Sorry if this has already been said). Wonder if Tesla will offer an upgrade for this vehicle to unleash more or all of the LR range while also providing greater range than the LR, AWD…

[@brandenflasch]

Elon said they will

[@jeffandich3894]

Oops - sorry for posting while living under a rock!!!

[@barryw9473]

My e-Golf tops out at 4.1 V with 1:1:1 NCM cells.

[@dh-1399]

I’m not so sure that this is a simple cut and dry software locked LR battery. The LR AWD that Kyle had from hertz was showing 404v @ 100% SOC while this SR RWD is 402v. I’m almost speculating that this pack could have a different series configuration.

[@brandenflasch]

They’re going to offer an unlock. It’s absolutely a software locked pack.

[@fiehlsport]

2 volts is margin of error...

[@darinbrazil5496]

I am not sure your age but you look young as well as the team at out of spec, the reason I bring this up is your 100 mile charger hop is not what older people or most want to think about doing so if the goal is to get people comfortable with EV's to move to this more sustainable future then I would suggest showing people how they can do trips with one or two charges max over a 600 mile trip not this hopping chargers every 100 miles. this its why a lot of people are waiting for battery technology to reach 500 to 600 mile range because most people just want to be charged at home and get to their destination with minimal stops. It's absolutely possible to do close to 600 miles with one stop when you leave you home with a full charge. This is what most people want and believe me I understand thats not your style or out of spec style but you really need to consider your age and I know thats difficult because you cant make yourself older so you dont know how you will think when you are older. You are doing a disservice to getting people to switch to EV's when you are saying stop driving every 100 or so miles to charge. I understand it may not be your mission to get people to switch but it also isn't making EV's look like better technology when you put it in the context of having to stop to charge every 100 or so miles.

[@brandenflasch]

In my experience, the older people get, the more frequently they stop.

[@darinbrazil5496]

@@brandenflasch your an experienced old person I guess. you might be thinking old as in 70 or older im referring to older as in 40 and older. people dont want to stop they stop because they need to stop and they should need and dont want to stop for charging do you understand that concept?

[@brandenflasch]

@@darinbrazil5496 40 isn’t old lol

[@darinbrazil5496]

@@brandenflasch Ok maybe you didn't read my initial comment and just reacted. I said "older" people as in older than what you appear to be, can we be reasonable here or are we just going to be ridiculous?

[@bsaxman2012]

Re Tesla now offering a LR RWD, I just checked the Tesla web site. Although the $3k savings for the LR RWD is nice, I'm surprised the range increase is only 10 miles. You'd think with the weight savings and reduced power consumption, the LR RWD would do better on range. The LR RWD gives up a lot of performance as well compared to the AWD (but the RWD is probably quick enough for most people). Model Y LR RWD - 320 mi $44,990 6.5 sec 0-60 Model Y LR AWD - 310 mi $47,990 4.8 sec 0-60

[@brandenflasch]

It’s fairly common that Tesla base model range is more conservative

[@SuperKidontheblock]

Wife wanted white seats instead of long range. Sigh. Kinda wish i didnt compromise.

[@brandenflasch]

Why?

[@AresROC]

2023 was 4680 70kwh. 2024 now 4680 60kwh. Now my Fremont RWD is 2170 with 80kwh? I am so confused… This is like overclocking my CPU except I have to pay for something I already own!

[@brandenflasch]

RWD were always 2170

[@NickWindham]

It’s total BS that Tesla Nerf, the max kilowatt. I can understand them, Ning, the usable capacity, but make it bad ass by letting people charge at a high Killock per hour farther throughout the curve! I guess, at least they have a liver to pull if they need to increase sales without increasing cost.

[@bobtruck1594]

20 minutes is not a NORMAL stop. Most people take 5 minutes in and out from gas pumps. We need to call out these people claiming we hang around a gas station for 20 minutes everytime we pump gas. You do that and you get robbed in most major cities.

[@brandenflasch]

If you have kids or do more than just get gas, you’re not going to be out in 5 min on a road trip.

[@chenyansong]

When people are pumping gas they are usually in their daily routines, near their home or near their next destination, there is no point to stay at gas stations any longer than 5 minutes. But when people are charging at supercharger they are usually on the road trip, has driven for a few hours or needs to drive for a few more hours or both, they need rest, bathroom break, food, and not rush to get back on the road.

[@bobtruck1594]

@@chenyansong I must be special. I would never hang out at any gas station. I gas and go.

[@barryw9473]

Don’t break the Supercharger! It may be out order for a long time. 😬

[@ChucksRover]

Thankfully Supercharger maintenance team was not part of the group let go!

[@barryw9473]

@@ChucksRover So the 500 people who were fired performed which critical Supercharger functions?

[@FriedChairs]

@@barryw9473 The non-maintenance related activities.

[@barryw9473]

@@FriedChairs Such as? It would be great to know all the functions. Can you please list them?

[@ChucksRover]

@@barryw9473 Out of Spec reported that maintenance teams (in field) were not affected. Supercharger team did a wide range of stuff- Site planning, working with site hosts, utilities, expansion of new of existing sites, contacts with other auto maker switching to NACS, and more. Maintenance staff not affected, no info on whether the factory building superchargers was affected.

[@Shane-zl9ry]

I bought my Y three weeks ago so this pertains to me 🤔

[@bobtruck1594]

I bought last week but canceled. Now I'm in limbo about the refresh in 1 year hopefully. I can wait and think waiting is better.

[@Shane-zl9ry]

@@bobtruck1594 Do it if you have something to drive in the meantime. 😎👍🏼

[@bradcooke5383]

As if there wasn't enough news coming out of Tesla this week, they just announced this software limited MY RWD is going to be replaced soon by a MY RWD LR. Yep I guess it's the same battery as the AWD MY but don't quote me on that. Also for $1500-2000 neighborhood they are going to let owners of the software limited MY unlock this feature pending some kind of approval.

[@ejp1]

Too bad this car is now discontinued! Crazy

[@hvu6037]

Tesla isnow selling the RWD with full battery pack version, i.e. same usable battery as the AWD. Musk offers a software unlock option for cars like this one for $2000 or so.

[@garyprice1145]

My guess is that the "New" model is just this standard RWD Model Y with the battery unlocked. I think that it's the same car.

[@robertshunter]

This highlights just how bad those 4680's were, embarrassingly so.

[@brandenflasch]

They’re really terrible.

[@kevinweber5129]

@@brandenflasch Do you know if the model Y you have now is the gen 1 Cells or Gen 2. EVs should be able to add 300 miles or range in 10 minutes. 100 miles in 3 minutes. DC and AC charging should both be faster.

[@4literv6]

Gen2 cybercells aren't the ct already has taken 327kws peak and gotten 80 miles of REAL range back in 8mins on an nxu 1000v charger. 😎

[@bobtruck1594]

This why I'm not buying yet. Batteries are still terrible. Even these software locked one. The WILL have the same degradation over time. We need LPF or the new Solid States China has.

[@777Outrigger]

I like, "Charge more, worry less." .... There was a study done of 1,000s of Teslas, and 2 groups were compared. One group was charged 90% oof the time, or more, with Fast Charging and one group 90%, or more, with slow charging. The difference in battery degradation after 100,000 miles was about 1%. Diddly squat!

[@NickWindham]

There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics. I’m a 2023 Tesla Model Y Long Range owner, so I’m very pro EV. However, without reviewing the raw data of that study myself, I highly skeptical of its results because they differ too widely from numerous peer reviewed scientific studies on the effect that average charging C-Rate has on battery health. 0.25 to 0.33C average is optimal for maximizing battery life for most battery chemistries. Especially if it starts at about 0.5C for low state of charge and tapers off to about 0.2C at high SOC. Research the less biases scientific studies on this and you’ll see it makes much more than a 1% capacity difference over the long run for a battery vs fast charging at an average of 2C, for example. Even with great thermal management and a variable charge rate.

[@brandenflasch]

@NickWindham modern EVs have very good temp monitoring and thermal management. Completely different than studies at the cell level.

[@NickWindham]

@@brandenflasch True, but heat is just one form of energy that degrades batteries. Higher electric current itself also speeds up degradation.

[@777Outrigger]

@@NickWindham I've watched several videos in the last 2 months of high mileage Teslas with lots of Supercharging, one with over 200,000 miles, and the battery health and range still look very good. I won't get near that mileage in my current Model Y. Charge more, worry less.

[@brandenflasch]

@777Outrigger I’ve personally owned 2 nearly 200k mile Model S. 1 was almost entirely AC charged and 1 was heavily DC charged. They both had the same degradation.

[@bobtruck1594]

Thought 18 minutes to reach 80%. Why this slow?

[@brandenflasch]

Why did you think 18 min?

[@bobtruck1594]

@@brandenflasch Doesn't Tesla brag about these cars going to 80% in 18 minutes? Or is that for the Awd long range only? I'm new to Telsa and bought the AWD long range last week but canceled on delivery due to not being to my standards of range. I drive far alot and don't want to sit in car for long periods of time.

[@brandenflasch]

@@bobtruck1594 where do they brag about this? What are your range standards?

[@bobtruck1594]

What not mentioned in this video is the lithium battery pack in this car STILL degrades even if you follow teslas recommended 80% max charge to maintain the battery at optimal performance. Plenty of guys on KZbin have proven this. It's the chemistry that's the problem we need to move away from the chemistry!

[@brandenflasch]

Every battery will degrade.

[@bobtruck1594]

@@brandenflasch execpt LFP packs. They have shown to degrade far less. Data shows less than 4% in 10 years where as the current lithiums loose about 12% on the first year regardless how much you take care of them. That sucks!

[@brandenflasch]

@bobtruck1594 NMC is not 12% in the first year. Typically 5% and plateaus to about 12% over many years

[@bobtruck1594]

@@brandenflasch say that to all the owners reporting close to 12 in the first year! Not all but a good amount! That never good! We need to push for LFP.

[@brandenflasch]

@bobtruck1594 where are you seeing this?

[@jacobilowitz9508]

The other cells are ghost cells

[@brandenflasch]

What?

[@Jarptchow85]

Unsubscribing because this channel is all about charging and charging stations. This is not interesting to me.

[@brandenflasch]

Then why did you subscribe to begin with? That’s what this channel is about.

[@rosmarin2438]

Don’t let the door hit ya where they split ya

[@johnpoldo8817]

Charging is one of the most important aspects of EVs. I love this channel and others related to charging.

[@tanishqhooda]

I wonder why you had to comment and then do it😂

[@SaugusDudley]

I’m subscribing because this channel is all about charging and charging stations. This is interesting to me.