2025 Apollo Phantom 2.0 First Look - We Peek into the future of electric scooters

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

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[@ten606ixx]

Apollo are doing interesting things with the Phantom 2.0; can't wait for ESG to test the production version.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Me either. I wasn't planning to do any real testing on this one, since it's far from the final version, but just riding it around I saw 70km/h on the speedo (a little more than 43mph) and it was definitely not at top speed at the time. :-) -Paul

[@davidhennebach9114]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Was it as fun to ride as it looks? :)

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

It was nice, but this was a total prototype controller, so I really can't judge what the final ride will be like. -Paul

[@3DGraphicsFun]

*Love this review Paul!!!* One day in 2025 I can see me getting the Phantom 2.0. Comparing this to my 3 family Apollo Go 2024's here is what I like about the Phantoms which is similar to my Go's. The great dot matrix display I can see in any lighting condition. *The best regen brakes* are made my Apollo, I think you mentioned that before. We put many miles a week on our 3 Go's and *RARELY EVER* use the hand break. Only going down a super steep hill as dont want to overheat the REGEN. I am totally an Apollo person as you can tell. I have replaced several tires easily and fix split wire in the handle bar throttle area using the great tutorials on Apollo's main channel. Again, *OUTSTANDING PROFESSIONAL REVIEWS YOU ALWAYS DO!!!*

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Thanks so much for the kind words!

[@Yielar1]

Love the regen on my City Pro and also rarely use the brakes unless I'm fully charged at the top of a hill as I usually wait until the battery % has dropped a little before I start using solely regen

[@3DGraphicsFun]

Since I have 3 Apollo Go 2024's I try to ride one of them a day everyday at least 10 or more miles per day. Here in Southern California so many beautiful areas. Dont like the MUST HAVE DRIVERS LICENSE on ya and MUST NOT GO OVER 15 mph on streets and ONLY ONE EAR COVERED WITH HEADPHONES. I have been stopped and good thing I was doing that as he said good thing as 250 fine for each of those infractions. So they do enforce it here.

[@Scooter-King.]

Love the glowing lights and dual colors on the rear end as well! The scooter selection for the 2025 year is really starting to heat up, thanks for the great coverage!

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Thanks so much! -Paul

[@davidhennebach9114]

Pre-ordered mine! Unfortunately, I ordered it the minute it came out, and missed out on the extra $100 off code, but thanks anyways! Great video, and thanks for being so thorough with your review.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Thanks so much for the kind words! Can't wait to hear how you like it! -Paul

[@ApolloScooters]

@david please message our team, we'll retroactively get that $100 back for you and add the ESG Code - you deserve it for supporting us early, appreciate the support :-)!

[@n_n.V]

i can finally give my wife the v3. secured my stellar for the next summer!

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Sweet! -Paul

[@mikeredhead2894]

Im an Apollo Pro owner, and I love the new Phantom 2.0. I still prefer the Pro, but the Stellar might be next in a year or 2. Looks really nice, I hope it comes in jet black like a real life phantom

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

All of the production units will be black. -Paul

[@Arob1999]

I Like it how Apollo is going back to 60v. The only thing left they have is to lower the prices to keep up with the other companies. My scooter is 60v and it has 4000w peak power. I cannot believe that Apollo Stellar is going to be 6000W nominal. Insane!!

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

I can't wait. We're getting a beta test unit before too long but I don't think it will be a Stellar. -Paul

[@speaktruth247]

Which scooter do you have?

[@zjgw72]

I'm so jealous right now you've got the best job in the world Paul riding the best scooters in the world. Keep it right side up 🙃. Cheers, two thumbs up.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

I'm not gonna lie... it's good to be ESG :-) It's still here. I should really send it back.... maybe one more day. -Paul

[@amazingshades]

It's whack that the back turn signals and brake lights cancel each other. I hope they don't leave it like that

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

I'll bet that gets updated. That bothered me too. -Paul

[@eloipecquet]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide It was updated! Thanks for the feedback

[@Yielar1]

@@eloipecquet Can you confirm the Phantom 2.0 will be black and not silver?

[@JahBlessd]

​@@Yielar1 It's understood and confirmed everywhere online that it will be BLACK. Do you really think they can open themselves up to lawsuits and ppl returning products because they lied about the color? It's black.. buy it!

[@jstewart627]

I figured you got one to review.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Yes! We have to send this one back soon, but we'll get a Beta test unit before too long and eventually production versions of the 2.0 and Stellar. -Paul

[@laffjon]

Thanks you esg for reviews that help many with purchase decisions 🎉🎉

[@laffjon]

Helped me purchase my first scooter and future scooter products are certainly going to be their since scooters are my favorite ev

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Thank you so much for the kind words! So happy we were able to help! -Paul

[@AustinF516]

Just pre ordered the phantom Stellar! Cant wait to see your full review on it. When do you anticipate having a production ready Stellar to test?

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Hopefully very soon

[@eloipecquet]

Thank you Austin! You will love it!!

[@martinbrenner2573]

The bars are standard, but modified. Unless you have a milling machine you won’t be able to just buy bars and swap these out. This because there are slots cut in them to allow for internal cable routing. You can mount standard accessories on them but they are not easy to replace with different types.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Good point. It arrived with the bars already mounted to the stem, so I didn't notice that the wires were internally routed. I think someone with a vice, a drill, and maybe a file could make it happen, but it wouldn't be easy, and probably not a mod worth pursuing. -Paul

[@davidfromdownunder]

Looking forward to the ESG certified review Paul

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Thanks! Me too. I can't wait to get my hands on the Beta-test unit! This one was just a prototype, so lots of changes are coming! (disc brakes for one thing!). -Paul

[@Yielar1]

The upcoming Phantom 2.0 looks like a solid scooter and shows they're listening to their customer base which is key for me. I'm stoked they are making it black as well instead of silver, which I think keeps the Phantom theme going. I'm happy with my 2023 City Pro but may have to sell it and upgrade to the Phamtom 2.0 next year

[@keyoske]

Awesome video as always!

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Thank you so much! We only had one day from beginning to end on this one, so it was a lot to learn really quickly! We have to send it back soon. It's here with me now. I don't want it to leave. :-) -Paul

[@GearWave]

Hopefully Apollo has gotten their act together with this NEW Pro.....I hope the e learned their lesson from ALL of the mishaps of the Apollo Pro... Gonna order a Stellar and help keep Apollo on track.

[@rockford2981]

Did you drop the link for the beta tester

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Sorry about that. I thought it would be on the pre-order page we're linking to. We didn't get to see the pre-order page ahead of time. I'll ask how folks can sign up. -Paul

[@ValiRossi]

I would love to see your ratings include charging ports for small devices like phones and tablets. I have a Segway GT2 and a Ninebot max G2. I recently went through a hurricane where I had no electricity for days and days. I have two scooters in my house with massive batteries and no way to charge phones, tablets and laptops. I sure could have used a way to charge my devices.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

When scooters have charging ports we try to remember to include that in the review, but it’s not something we track in the database yet. That’s a good idea. The Teewing Mars XTR has an optional power inverter and a special port on the deck, so you can even make 120V AC power with that scooter! -Paul

[@jbeast4981]

Just pre ordered the Apollo Phantom 2.0, honestly the price is a bit high for me i was able to use the esg code for $100 off so not too bad i guess. But the total for me with the discount was $2,572.15 counting tax and other fees of course, so yeah it is going to be my first time buying an apollo scooter and hopefully i made a good choic 👍🏼

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Outstanding. Looking forward to hearing how you like it when it comes in. -Paul

[@Vyraxium]

I was thinking the same thing but I'm not spending this much money on a new scooter that nobody knows anything about. Everybody is saying this is way overpriced and I agree even with the discount for pre-orders it's still overpriced. Complete garbage.

[@g00fysmiley]

Are the handlebars going to be swappable on the phantom 2.0 there? looks like its 4 bolts to remove, but not sure if a standard size handlebar or any wiring done thru holes in said bars.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

You know what, that's a very good point. I just took another look at the 2.0 here because of your question. They are standard size, but would take some work to make any old bars fit because of the internal wiring. The reason I didn't notice that is the bars come pre-installed to the neck and then you slide the neck into place. So, if you're determined, then they could be swapped out, but looking at it now... yeah, no one is really going to do that. Great question. Thanks so much! -Paul

[@KendrickSandefer]

Looking for the link for beta testing but can’t find it on your video Paul

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

will be releasing the link when it becomes available!

[@sean-i8r8d]

Hopefully in 2-3 they are still around and are even better i have apollo pro so cant justify it even though would like the higher speed in phantom 2.0

[@michaelserrano1850]

i love this one i ordered one already

[@matthewdenham7398]

You got one of the first new scooters

[@gritred5500]

Off topic but since the last time you put out a video regarding quality/reliability there have been quite a few new scooters. Any plan to do another review about long term ownership for different scooters with a breakdown of component brands and their quality and reliability.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Great question. That video initially didn't take off, but now has 56k views, so it's definitely something we want to do again. We're so behind on updating other videos like "Best long range scooters" "best lightweight" etc that almost for sure that video will turn 1 year old before we get to round 2, but I really think there will be a round 2 and 3 and beyond. -Paul

[@donscott6431]

I believe in waiting. “Bugs” will hopefully be fixed. As an example: I was waiting for the speed issue on the DT STORM LTD to get ironed out. Guess what? VORO decided to part ways w/DT and I bought the OG STORM for $2999 last January (I also used a coupon from Electric Scooter Academy for an additional $300) With tax I bought a BRAND NEW STORM, delivered to my door for $3079 including insurance

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

That's a great deal. For the Dualtron Storm Limited's speed problem, do you mean the top speed of the Storm Limited not being as high as spec? -Paul

[@donscott6431]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide yes. I watched V-Tha-Sapien’s channel, religiously. He’s owned a WEPED SST, had problems, then went to the OG STORM and most recently the STORM LTD. Does, and videos, his own work (upgrades and maintenance) in a fashion a regular guy can understand. Shows the good and bad. Everything from installing a “mapper” on the OG version to actual footage of a smoking LTD controller, along with preferred (newest revisions) of parts. Modding to accommodate PMTs split-rims and mods to the scooter in order to accept these new pieces. AWESOME periodic reviews of scooter and mods

[@donscott6431]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide I started with a NanRobot D5+2.0 that I bought with ESG Black Friday discount code. (BEST HACKABLE SCOOTER) It’s still sitting in the living room. Along with 2 new controllers and new(ish) battery: that’s to say I bought a new battery and controllers some time back. Have a schematic for ‘BOT from a video from “Watts In Yours”, another diy channel specializing in NanRobots. IS YOUR GUYS’ D5+2.0 still living? I know yall used it a lot for filming..

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Fun stuff! -Paul

[@THEAVERAGEGUY1983]

Nice! I'd go for the Stellar Version. 😎👌

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Good choice!

[@onceuponareset-ho7fg]

What battery cells will the Phantom 2.0 have?

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

I just reached out to confirm. I was wrong about them both being Samsung. The Stellar will have Samsung, and the standard version won't but I'm waiting to hear back on which cells the standard version is using. -Paul

[@jamesgeorgevellavella1961]

Can't wait for them to be released and I'll make my mind up about selling these and adding to the Line up when the time comes (im not a big store as I don't like dealing with people or tyre kickers)

[@JamesHuffsteter-uf7un]

Whats the difference between phantom 2 and punk rider?

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

They're very different. The fastest version of the Punk Rider has a claimed top speed of 32mph and an output power spec. The regular Phantom 2.0 has a battery 50% larger than the punk rider. The more I look at the specs they really don't have anything in common other than it appears that Punk Rider more or less copied the style of the Apollo Pro. -Paul

[@berengerchristy6256]

I use an Apollo Pro and the throttle response is really excellent. Even in Ludo mode it wont try to take your feet out from under you. Still, I can’t wait for the Stellar edition. For me drum brakes just aren’t it, and the regen brakes don’t bite hard if you’re going much faster than 25mph

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Thanks so much for the feedback. I feel like I haven't heard that many first-hand accounts from other owners. I agree about the brakes. I love the regen for normal riding, but when I really want the absolute maximum stopping power.... I'm not really getting the bite I want from the Pro's drums. I was bummed that I didn't get to sample the hydraulic discs on this prototype, but definitely looking forward to the Stellar. I feel like a lot of folks don't understand Apollo's conservative approach to performance, but if you look at it in the context of the Segway scooters it all makes sense. Apollo is playing the long game by not pushing the absolute limits of top speed and focusing on finesse and rideability. -Paul

[@berengerchristy6256]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide bench racers are going to bench race. I have two scooters instead of a car (Go and Pro), and I like that Apollo is trying to make their scooters reliable workhorses. Still, it’s nice to have high performance kit as an option for those who know what they want

[@dannydanny9875]

it glows in the box upon unboxing? cool! ... but won't it kill the battery / swag lights? 😲

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

I turned it on before pulling it out of the box, which I don't usually do. But the lights are ridiculously bright! I turned it on to check something so I could answer a question in the comments and then went back to my desk and found that the deck lights were blinding me from across the room, so I had to go turn the scooter back off again! -Paul

[@imglidinhere]

I'm seriously considering making the jump to the Apollo Pro from my Mantis V2. Since my wreck happened at night, I've thought of nothing else when I look at it. I want zero excuses when it comes to visibility and the lightbar on the front and the illuminated deck just speak to me, especially on the wilder roads around where I am. Not that I'd go riding around at night anytime soon again, but that peace of mind knowing you're kind hard to miss in low-light conditions does wonders for the nerves. P.S. Also having an IP66 rated scooter here in Florida sounds like an all-around good deal to me. :D Now I just gotta work acquiring the cash... the Mantis V2 was a stretch for me already and that was half the price. Affirm loans don't fail me now... xD

[@rickd7251]

I love the design but for over $3000+tax CAD currently on Pre-sale I still can't pull the trigger. Also to clarify what was mentioned in the video the standard 2.0 does not come with Samsung cells...only the Stellar has Samsung cells.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

You're correct. I got that one wrong. I had mis-heard that one. Only Samsung on the Stellar. I'm confirming which cells will be in the standard version. -Paul

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

I've added an info-card to the video (best we can do to make a correction after the fact) stating that the base model doesn't get Samsung cells. -Paul

[@rickd7251]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Thanks Paul. Love the videos. Keep up the awesome work.

[@marthydelva6867]

I was looking at this since the stellar is the same price as the pro wouldn’t it better to get the pro ? Since its already established i think you should compare both if ever possible great video 🔥

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Thank you so much. When we finally get to do some performance testing I expect we'll compare all of the stats between the Phantom 2.0 the V4 and the Pro. Hopefully we'll get the Stellar before too long, but I think we'll get a Beta version of the standard Phantom 2.0 within a month or two. -Paul

[@ryanwynne9492]

Does ANYONE know when the Phantom V4x was released?

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Few months back

[@joshread3740]

I love the design of Apollo scooters, but their willingness to put low quality parts in expensive scooters is something I simply can't respect. Putting mechanical disc brakes and spring suspension in a $2,500-$3,000 scooter is absolutely INSANE. I truly don't understand what they're thinking.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

If you ever tried an Apollo scooter with the Dedicated Regen brake you will immediately realize that you will be using that brake 95% of the time and the mechanical brakes are not gonna be touched. The Regen brake is a true game changer.

[@joshread3740]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide I don't disagree with that, but then the question is why did they put hydraulic brakes on the Stellar? After all, the base 2.0 is still much more powerful than many other scooters that DO have hydraulic brakes.

[@berengerchristy6256]

Race cars have spring suspension too

[@joshread3740]

@@berengerchristy6256 I...don't think that's true. Most race cars using double wishbone suspension or air. Most cars use some form of suspension with coilover shocks. Just a spring with no dampening mechanism (like a shock) is not good. You typically would see something like that in scooters that are in the sub-$1000 range.

[@8_x_9.]

Should include an oil rebound shocks!!!😮. Apollo always cheapout at the beginning!!!😮

[@TuanNguyen-gu7oe]

I just ordered a phantom2.0 base with your first 25 coupon code to save 100$. Looks like I don’t get the free gifts as well?

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

I'm checking on that with Apollo right now. -Paul

[@BlackgoldTwinduck]

no preorder for eu :/

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Sorry about that. Can you usually get Apollo scooters where you live? If so, I'll bet they'll open up pre-orders for you before long. Thanks so much for watching and for the feedback. I didn't know you couldn't pre-order in the EU. -Paul

[@ApolloScooters]

@blackgold - the UK will get these for next summer! Where are you based? :-)

[@BlackgoldTwinduck]

@@ApolloScooters UK is not EU.. Im based in Austria

[@Alfred171992]

The video feels a bit biased towards Apollo, almost like a marketing plug. Paul saying it’s going to be sold out before it’s even available for pre-order seems unrealistic, especially since the Apollo Pro, which looks quite similar, hasn’t sold out. The price also seems a little steep considering the NAMI Klima Max, the fastest in this range, is currently priced at $2200. I don’t think this one will be much faster to justify the higher cost.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Hi Alfred, Thanks for the feedback. I wasn't at all saying that the Phantom 2.0 will sell out. What I meant was that the V4x will sell out before the 2.0 becomes available. Hopefully no one else took it that way, because as far as I know, there is no limit to the number of pre-orders they can take. They have time to plan, so they can always make more. Thanks for watching and for taking the time to comment. -Paul

[@theraid100]

I can't right now .. pockets be hurting :(

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Wishing you happier pockets in the future! -Paul

[@shifter2979]

i believe apollo are becoming one of the best scooter companies in the industry rn and im glad they are because they are doing EVERYTHING right right now. making scooters for every kind of person, having a great warranty on all scooters and having a great app. they are striving unlike any other brand of scooters and its not even close imp

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

I'm really looking forward to the production version! -Paul

[@shifter2979]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide also im glad thjey have the nfc feature AND the apple find my. my last scooyer (nami klima) got stolen likew a week ago :(

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Noooooo! So sorry to hear that. Ugh! -Paul

[@Shirehi]

Just locked my Phantom 2.0 Stellar pre order in using the aformentioned ESG discount code! Next order of business will be to scrape the internet clean of all Phantom 2.0 content for the next 6 months while i anxiously await the power of the gods to arrive at my doorstep! 🫠😭😂 Thanks for the free benjamin either way gang!! Ill be awaiting your full production model ride review in the meantime. :)

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Congrats on the pre-order! We'll make content as quickly as we can get access to the scooters. I'm pretty sure they want this prototype back soon, so I don't think we'll have any more content until the next iteration of the Phantom 2.0 comes along. -Paul

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Good news. I found out we'll be getting a Beta test unit before long, so we can give them feedback and also make *more content* -Paul

[@joelvand91]

It's Black!!

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Yes! I just re-confirmed with Apollo. This is pre-production, but all of the production units will be black. -Paul

[@POPCULTRONIC]

Paul is #1 in the space.

[@Trailtested]

He does not test them hard like Trail Tested but he has the best data in the e-bike and scooter space!

[@8_x_9.]

The last moment emergency drum brakes, after the adjustable & very powerful REGEN BRAKES.🎉😂❤. Try it first, then talk!!! 👄 😉

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

The production version won't have drums at all. The standard version will have cable-operated disc brakes and the Stellar will have four piston hydraulic brakes. -Paul

[@petersymons7817]

Thank you

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

You're welcome

[@iandowd6261]

Wish they were legal in uk

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Hopefully soon!

[@ak-loz]

I want this scooter… I wanna leave the price. $3k max.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Noted! Thanks for the feedback!

[@amazingshades]

Also the top of the stems light has a couple inches of dead leds? Or is that how it's designed?

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

I just turned it on to check. When you first power it up, it cycles all of the LEDs on the dash. They all light up. Dang... the deck light is blinding me from across the room now. I need to go shut it back off. (it's really that bright). -Paul

[@codylujan]

Can't afford car insurance anymore (florida) because they price goige every 6 months. Looking at investing in this to just get to work and the grocery

[@anthonyrodgers6613]

R they leaving us v2 60v owners to it... or can they now least let us upgrade to a v4x now looks like they can handle 60vs.. 😢

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

On the plus side, you have a 60V phantom! We never got to try one, other than the hand-built Prototype Ludo version which had a fully experimental controller in it. -Paul

[@mikehagquist5198]

I love the pro. I just don’t know why they made the phantom look identical to the pro Why call it a phantom? Pro se/ pro lite would be better

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

They look more different in person than in the video. It will look even more different with disc brakes. The dashboard shape is also changing a little bit. -Paul

[@mikehagquist5198]

@ wonder if it’s gonna be black? That would be a cool look.

[@demonocusmetalocus3558]

Looks like my punk rider pro

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

You mean the punk rider pro looks like the Apollo!

[@CameronStubblefield]

YOOO What?!? Phantom 2.0

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

For realz!

[@SessyBaka]

Thank you for the review. This solidifies my decision to get the klima max instead. Extremely happy with the current city 2024 but the speed wasn’t enough to keep up with traffic. Was gonna get phantom just because I like the regen brake that they’ve done so well. Too expensive for spring suspension, mechanical brake and no matte black look when the name is “phantom”. I’m not supporting the business idea of locking ludo mode behind a paywall either. Even though I will never use the mode but how dare they charges a lot more while taking away features and putting it behind a paywall????

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

@SessyBaka I checked with Apollo just now about your questions. All production units will be black. Ludo mode will not be paywalled. -Paul

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

I confirmed with Apollo that all of the production units will be black. -Paul

[@hi-tych]

No, only the pre orders are black. The rest will be that color of the pro.

[@hi-tych]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide yes please. They all should be black .unless he changed his mind at the last minute? Lol

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

I double checked with Apollo. All production unit Phantom 2.0 will be black. -Paul

[@lex_2037]

Wait what? This one can go 53MPH and the PRO can only go 43MPH? 😅

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

ESG clocked the Pro at 44.3mph, but yes the Stellar will be faster than the version of the Pro we tested. But who knows, maybe the Pro will get an update by Summer. (I really don't know about the roadmap for the Pro). -Paul

[@lex_2037]

@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide thanks for confirming this Paul! Make the PRO go 55MPH with dual stems - I am absolutely sold! 😁

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Dual stems because of the stability? Strength-wise you can make super strong single stems... but nothing beats a dual stem for stability because of the higher inertia of moving the mass out wiiiiiiiide. -Paul

[@ronancullen1418]

⁠@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide The only problem with the Pro is, it’s too bloody slow… (acceleration, not top speed) If Apollo get around to putting the 60v30ah Samsung battery, and the 3000w motors in the Pro, along with the hydraulic disc brakes, they might very well have the perfect scooter… In the meantime, I’ve put my order in for the Phantom 2.0 Stellar…

[@19msleon]

In Germany it is probably the Fritz 3.0 😂

[@ApolloScooters]

Haha they will not have the Go, Pro or Phantom unfortuantely ;-) Not part of our sales plan!

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Wow, is that because of EU speed regulations, or is the US and Canada soaking up all the Apollo scooters? :-) -Paul

[@viewlesscheese]

does anyone own an Apollo or on the the least popular brands , cos it makes me wonder about it's prices. If you're going to spend around 3500 I personally would go for the Wolf gt pro or Inmotion or one of the more popular makes.. Why would anyone buy one of the less popular brands? Obviously people are buying them but there's little to differentiate between the brands and I would like to know the thinking behind purchase choice.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

I wouldn't say Apollo is less popular. I'm pretty sure they sell more electric scooters than Inmotion in North America. -Paul

[@--8u]

why apollo make this for 2.5k or 3k while you can get better escooters-specs with that

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

I hear where you're coming from. Apollo have never taken the easy route of maxing out the spec sheet. It would certainly make it easier to sell scooters. A lot of the cost goes into things like a better BMS, which is incredibly un-sexy but helps keep the scooter safe to own for the long term. There are some raw-speed scooters out there that I love for their speed per dollar, and then there are companies like Segway and Apollo that focus on cutting edge tech, longer warranties, safety and longevity. Segway and Apollo are actually taking the tougher road here. -Paul

[@rcadventuresoffical]

$3500 for a 60v scooter are they crazy?

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@richardwhaley7497]

ᑎIᑕE🏁

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Thanks for watching and commenting! We appreciate your support! -Paul

[@Allen-v1r]

I have never felt these scooters are a good value compared to the competition. The add on services (track my scooter) make me sick to my stomach as well.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Service(s). Is there another one? Ludo mode is standard on both. -Paul

[@Drcfan]

Steering Damper again, when will the market finally learn? Stability of two wheelers isnt that complicated. You can drive easily 140kmh without one if you design it properly (No speed wobbles)

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Interesting point. Apollo is pretty good about knowing their rake and trail numbers, so it might not be needed at all, but just there because some people really like dampers (I definitely prefer not having a damper unless I absolutely have to and when I encounter one I keep it turned down as low). -Paul

[@Drcfan]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide i think its the people's mind set that is not up to date. They want to sell the most products and in people's mind its "only with steering damper = stability" which is not true

[@abdelilahatlas4581]

Light still sucks after all theses models…. We need good front lights

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

I just checked it against the wall. It's pretty good. It has a nice cut-off at the top so you don't blind cars, and seems close to some of the better ones we've seen. It could also still change between now and 2025. -Paul

[@strayavr3665]

I would never buy any Apollo scooter after an Apollo city caught fire at my work and now all e-scooters are banned from being onsite 😡

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Do you know what lead up to this? Did it get submerged at some point? Had your coworker been inside the deck modding it? Apollo uses really good cells on these and they have a good BMS in there too. Those two things usually make it nearly impossible to have a major problem with a scooter. I've literally never heard of an Apollo scooter catching fire before this comment. (we have literally about 20 Apollo scooters back at ESG headquarters.). -Paul

[@ronancullen1418]

First I’ve ever heard of an Apollo catching fire…

[@hurdthenerd]

A 60v scooter at 72v prices.. not much difference in range, only 50mph. Just can’t justify the price per performance compared to its competitors. GT pro, Inmotion RS, Mars xtr, etc, this scooter doesn’t compete quite well with them at this pricing. I’ve owned all the hyper scooters and been on my gtr lately more than anything.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

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[@Bigheadedwon]

You say only 50mph lol. While there are scooters that are much faster, I got my Wolf King GT Pro to 51.7mph once and felt like I was flirting with death. For the Nitro Circus daredevils who need top speed this won't be the scooter for them. For anyone else they probably never would even hit top speed. as for 60 vs 72v. If it's as quick as they claim I don't see a reason to need 72v. I dunno the exact number but the 0-30 for this seems to be about the same as my 72v wolf king.

[@hurdthenerd]

@@Bigheadedwon that’s barely entering speed at 50. You can see on my KZbin or Tik tok I’ve been 70 on my GTR. I cruise at 45-50, idk how you feel like that’s death lol. But that’s my point.. this Apollo isn’t cruising at those speeds thats its max. So realisticly it’ll cruise around 35-45 mph. Which to pay nearly 4k for that… and only 35 ish miles of range..60v - 72v is a big difference. Leaves room for upgrades, bigger controllers etc. There’s no other 60v scooter in the 4k price for a reason. You can get a new vsett 10+ apex for 1900 and it does 53mph to, and 40+ miles range.

[@RoMee651]

Apollo still lock features behind a paywall. 😤

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Do you mean Ludo mode? I just reached out to them and Ludo mode will not be locked behind a paywall. -Paul

[@ronancullen1418]

No they don’t…

[@Carnivore86]

Wtf with this prices should be much more cheaper way to expensive 😅

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Thanks for the feedback. What's your price point for dual motor scooters with 1,400Wh to 1,800Wh batteries? -Paul

[@Carnivore86]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide1400 - 1700$

[@jstewart627]

I do not like the look of solid black. It has a cheaper look to it when pitch black...

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Thanks for watching and for the feedback! -Paul

[@fancypants6089]

$3500 !?!? GET OUT OF HERE 😂 Apollo is out of their minds.

[@Shirehi]

You get what you pay for!

[@fancypants6089]

@@Shirehi that is very true. I’m just not sure you’re getting what you could’ve with another company.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

It really depends on how you slice it. There's a bunch of expensive stuff in there, like the BMS that Apollo uses that doesn't show up on spec sheets the way top speed does, but really helps the longevity of the scooters. Segway is similar in this regard. Longer warranties, better frame materials. And then there's all of the R&D like the 8 or 9 versions Eloi made of these throttles to get the feel just right. Apollo scooters really have a nice feel to them, and that just doesn't show up on spec sheets. It's also really hard to describe in reviews without sounding like a fanboy, so we don't dwell on it too much. One day I'll come up with a good way to quantify ride quality. -Paul

[@fancypants6089]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuidePaul, you’ve always been quite fair and in depth with your Reviews which is why we are all here. We want to know where to throw our money cuz when we buy a scooter, most of us will be stuck with it for a few years. 😅

[@604cpr]

Apollo only has aesthetic appeal, everything else is underwhelming compared to what is available in yhe same price range

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Thanks for the feedback. I always think of the hardware stuff Apollo does first (BMS, designing their own control levers, using good cells), and then I think of the aesthetics as #2. I feel like Gotrax is more aesthetics-first and Apollo is infrastructure first and then aesthetics. Nothing against what Gotrax is doing either. They just have a different way of doing things. -Paul

[@Morris279]

They look cheap for how expensive they are…

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Which part looks cheap? -Paul

[@Morris279]

@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide just my opinion, but the whole dash and the wheels. Just not my style… I’m sure many people will love it though. The performance sounds great though

[@bartillo1336]

First

[@Feral6-h3g]

Bugger, 12 minutes off

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Thanks for watching and commenting! Both of you! -Paul

[@igot5onit423]

I'm no Ricky Bobby but I'm pretty sure everbody else is last😒

[@Shaqjackpot]

Ummmmmmmmm ok

[@8_x_9.]

You have lifted it over & out of the box then placing it on the bench,was very bad!!! This is how to get a messed up spine discs...etc. You could of have s.body to help you. 😢😮. Overzealous. Be carefull.😊

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Thanks for looking out for me. Yeah, I didn't notice until I watched it play back what a bad lift that was. Fortunately my back is really strong from lifting scooters all day... but it just takes one bad lift! -Paul

[@dirkit247]

Way too heavy.

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Thanks for the feedback. What's your upper weight limit for dual motor scooters? -Paul

[@Experiment-lr7sm]

Great video as usual from you!

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

Thank you so much! -Paul

[@TuanNguyen-gu7oe]

I just ordered a phantom2.0 base with your first 25 coupon code to save 100$. Looks like I don’t get the free gifts as well?

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

I hadn't heard about the extras being included. To the best of my knowledge, the coupon code should just take $100 off. It shouldn't delete any features the scooter would otherwise come with. -Paul

[@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide]

I'm double checking on this though. -Paul

[@TuanNguyen-gu7oe]

Hi, thanks for checking, my order was just updated and will receive a free gift of sweatshirt and steering damper!!😀