2025 Honda Civic Hybrid VS Toyota Corolla Hybrid || Tough Choice, Clear Winner

[@Doc1855]

In 83 I bought a 78 Barebones Corolla. It had 70K miles on it and I needed a reliable college car. I changed the oil, the transmission and rear differential grease. After that I changed the oil every 3K miles and the transmission and rear differential every 30K miles. It got me through Grad School and then I had a Lot of student loans to pay off. After my loans were paid off, I simply wanted to see how long my little White 2dr Corolla would last. It finally died in 02 with 488K miles. I replaced it with a new Camry LE and drove it until my needs changed so in 11 I bought a new RAV4 Limited 4WD with the 3.5L V6. My wife kept bugging me to downsize from 3 vehicles down to 2. So I sold my beloved RAV4 and our Ranger XLT super cab 4WD pickup (that was mainly used for work around our property) and bought a new (leftover) 23 Tacoma TRD Off Road, double cab, 6’ bed with the Premium and Technology pkgs. We bought it on 2/29/24. Now that I’m retired and drive only 6-8K miles per year, I plan on driving my Tacoma until I die. I’m quite sure that my wife will still be using my TRD to plow the 5-7 feet of snow off our private road every winter until she too passes away.

[@ohmycar5304]

How do you deal with mortality?

[@Doc1855]

@@ohmycar5304 What do you mean? The Bible says that It was once appointed unto man to die and then the judgment. It also says, What can a man do to add one more day to his life? We are all born and eventually we will die. The only guarantees in life are death and taxes, (unless you’ve wasted your life on Welfare and then your only guarantee is death).

[@Grayce47]

When I was car shopping in the spring, the Toyota dealership said it would be 1-2 years for any hybrid (and months for a non-hybrid). The Honda dealership had cars on the lot. If you need a car now, not years from now, It has to be Honda.

[@In-obscurity-n7j]

The Toyota dealership near me has had a steady supply of Camrys. I only waited about a week for the trim I wanted to come in. I think the RAV4 is the big problem.

[@nrajasuba6367]

True.

[@AB_7092]

plus this civic is better than the corolla anyways

[@sambutler9927]

I'd check back now. I just reserved myself a 2025 Corolla Hybrid LE for MSRP that's still in transit from Japan. Should be on the lot in 2-3 weeks. You might be able to snag one of the 2025 products if you ask around now.

[@wesamaloka9947]

True I was told the same. However customer canceled their Toyota hybrid and I got it instead lol

[@icanmanifest]

Not sure how this is a tough choice. Civic is on a completely another level then Corolla.

[@InvestWithAlex]

And quite more expensive. They’re in different classes now

[@leebauman223]

@@InvestWithAlex Um the corolla is just ugly and slow. You pay for what you get in life.

[@stayphun6188]

​@@leebauman223Civic is also ugly as hell lol

[@nrs_207]

@@stayphun6188no it’s not lol. Obviously it’s subjective but I don’t think you’re in the majority with that opinion.

[@Bytesplice]

Honda is my choice. That said, availability isn't very good here in New England. Dealers here still have a large inventory of 2024 Civics and lack motivation to offer the 2025. We wanted to buy now rather than wait, and given the price, we choose to jump up to that Accord Sport EX-L hybrid.

[@Prepare2Survive]

Pretty sure the newer naturally aspirated Honda engines are all direct injection and that means your intake valves are not being cleaned by the gasoline like they are in the Toyota that has both port injection and direct injection. That means eventually down the road you'll have the added cost of having to get the valves cleaned once in a while and that's NOT a simple or cheap process. Yes, the Honda has more power and handles better, but "long term" the Toyota will be easier and cheaper to maintain. If you want more performance then go ahead and spend more money up front buying the Honda and spend more money on insurance premiums and spend more money down the road cleaning the intake valves on the Honda, but if you don't drive fast and you want to save money up front buying the car and save money on insurance costs and save money down the road in maintenance costs not having to clean the intake valves get the Toyota instead.

[@lennygarrison6836]

You do know that the Civic Hybrid doesn’t have a transmission, right? I’m with you on the rest of your points though.

[@Donutgames00]

Honda’s hybrids use eCVT, which I believe means electric motors to turn the wheels, not a transmission connected to the engine.

[@truckercowboyed2638]

​@Prepare2Survive you're clueless the hybrid is a ecvt and no actual physical belts it's all driven by electric motors

[@nickgonchar7272]

Choosing hybrid in the Honda solves the transmission problem and gives you more power (200 vs 150hp) at very little extra cost (C$35,293 Sport Hybrid vs C$33,398 Sport). Yes, the DI problem remains.

[@lennygarrison6836]

@@Prepare2Surviveyou’re wrong bro. Honda Hybrids don’t have traditional CVT transmissions. No belts, no pulleys, no fluid to change, etc. There isn’t a transmissions in the Civic Hybrid.

[@eraldhoxha6372]

I have been waiting for this comparing long time thanx 😁

[@alsamuef]

At those prices you are looking into a 2025 Toyota Camry vs 2025 Honda Hybrid.

[@ThePilotGear]

yeah, and I think the Civic wins it over the Camry to be honest.

[@leebauman223]

depending on which Camry you are talking about. To be fair. top of the line on both cars is 3k, for what you are getting larger, more power, appearance, and drivability.

[@haroldsantos2526]

Few things to consider While they're both excellent cars in their category, the civic is a bit more refreshed and modern (not that the corolla is old but you get the point) but when it comes to taking a beating as far as long term reliability due to the powertrain complexity the corolla wins all day and to be more specific yes te civic is reliable and fuel efficient but it's 2.0 hybrid powertrain is direct injection only which causes long term carbon buildup, honda has a smoother hybrid system but Toyota wins all day with their 20+ years of continuous improvement to their hybrid system since the first Prius, maintenance interval in the Toyota is more prolonged than the honda and im saying this because I've had several cars from both brands in my household currently a crv hybrid for my wife and I drive a camry hybrid, in my case i do medical courier and i put around 100k+ miles a year , Ive had 2 prius ,corolla hybrid 2020 when they first came out and now the camry hybrid, just to put this in perspective i put almost 380k miles on the corolla hybrid i had previous to this one and had no isues at all!

[@DaveDDD]

100k+ miles a year makes you pretty unique in being able to give a viewpoint on reliability. Thanks!

[@ThePilotGear]

Mostly agree. I do think the carbon buildup issue, while very much a real issue, is a little blown out of proportion. I have a direct injection-only daily driver (Mazda3 2.0 Skyactiv) and it still runs like new 10 years later. It's an Atkinson cycle engine and has much cooler combustion temperatures which keep combustions lean. There is theoretically no carbon buildup in Atkinson cycle. Dip into Otto cycle and there will be, but it's pretty minimal in Mazdas and I haven't heard of owners having to walnut blast their engines, even very high-mileage examples. Seems like a turbo-German thing to do. Honda's 2.0L LFC-H4, goes a step farther as its used solely as a generator at low speeds, and then 1:1 at 70 km/h+. It's programmed to be run mostly in efficient rpm:load, so carbon buildup should be even less than an average Atkinson cycle engine mated to a transmission where the user throttles revs, like my current Mazda. If I had a taxi, I'd pick the Corolla, but I'd come home to the Civic. The Civic hybrid feels like a GTI, and yet it's a mk7 Accord in size, and handles like a modern Mazda. It's an excellent combo and a driving enthusiast's choice and worth the extra $ over the Corolla. I'm just hoping their new hybrid powertrain proves to be durable in the long run.

[@z32luvr]

Toyota shill.

[@jeffjo8732]

@@z32luvr "When it comes to taking a beating as far as long term reliability due to the powertrain complexity the corolla wins all day." I was about to upvote, until I noticed that you said the Corolla "wins all day." Sorry, you have that backwards. While the Corolla's is mechanically simple, the Civic's is much simpler. The transaxle literally contains two motors, three gears (one on the ICE, one on the countershaft, and one on the....) and one clutch. But that clutch is only closed under computer control when speeds are perfectly matched. It does not slip. The control system of the Corolla is so complicated, Toyota had to stea.... er, "develop it independently," after it literally was patented at the University of Maryland. And believe it or not (I usually get pushback here), Toyota hybrids have more history of clutch failures than this 11-year-old Honda system. (All hybrids have a permanently-applied clutch built into the flywheel. Toyota's slips when the engine starts while the car is moving.) And check out KBB's or JDPower's reliability ratings for older Accord, CR-V, Camry, and RAV4 hybrids. They pretty much rate in that order.

[@brettodonnell4187]

The Honda 2.0 L Hybrid platform motor is Atkinson Cycle. Carbon build-up on the intake valves of Atkinson cycle engines is not something people need to be concerned about. This is because the intake valves remain open during the first part of the compression cycle so they are also "rinsed" with gasoline like in port injected motors.

[@borhansayedy3799]

Thank you Shari! I am trying to decide whether to buy the new prius or the civic hybrid hatchback. I am looking forward to your comparison of these 2 hatchbacks!

[@lindatownsend1442]

Same here. We have two 2008 prius both with over 300,000 miles each. They are both running great still but we are looking to get new cars. Has to be at least a hybrid. A prime would be even better. Must be a hatchback. Prefer to sit up in the car instead of sitting low. And must have a similar footprint to our current cars to fit in our garage.

[@Doc1855]

Note that both of them have the SAME 1990 Gloomy Grey and Death Black interior colors that are Old and Outdated colors that became popular 34 years ago. Where did the cheerful Tan, Brown, Red or Blue interior colors go? Even my 23 Tacoma TRD came with Death Black leather interior. I quickly changed that by reaching out to Katzkin who made and installed Lava Red leather interior seat covers with black trim and stitching. I sold the Fugly Death Black leather seat covers that came out of my Tacoma double cab.

[@brandononbrand]

good call there... but what do we do about the all "Death Black" dashes? Two-tone dashes used to be a thing, too. Now, it's all black dash and door panels, even if you find an option for red/tan/etc seats. but some credit to the Corolla Hybrid, though, because they have some two-tone dash action with the grey interior., unlike the Civic... but it's still grey.

[@Doc1855]

@@brandononbrand They’re disgusting. It doesn’t cost the manufacturer any more money to use different colored plastics than the Old Outdated Black

[@JorgeRiverosTales]

Since when is 35 k affordable?

[@realtalk5931]

Since never. But here we are 😢

[@z32luvr]

Average new car price is $48k. It’s a bargain.

[@huylephuong]

when Biden was in the office and applied the Bidenomic

[@marcozanotto726]

In Italy the average wage is 20k a year, 80% of which you spend just to live and pay taxes, and the corolla is considered one of the cheapest car for the segment and costs around 36k. Yeah prices are all over the place

[@Diego-uk8xe]

For what they're offering that's a steal. Very affordable

[@theDrzhivargo]

civic all day

[@fernandoformeloza4107]

In my opinion, always thought Honda made the better vehicle, as it was more of a comfortable feel. Toyota, however, was more affordable, and generally had better gas mileage

[@billyrock8305]

Battle of the old school topgun sedans. 🚘 🥊

[@thisone9]

I've had 5 Corollas in the last 30 years and switched to Honda. I rented a Corolla recently and could not believe how uncomfortable it was particularly getting in and out of the car!

[@brandononbrand]

Both Civic and Corolla are large enough for a family of 4 for 99%+ of daily driving... unless it's a frequent road-trip or off-roading family.... but even with road trips, you'd be surprised just how much cargo a Corolla trunk can load!... just as much, maybe more, than your average compact CUV

[@adamsweeney2336]

Civic is definitely heading into Accord territory. Kinda makes Accord insignificant these days

[@jraheemjefcoat429]

Most people actually prefer the styling of the Civic over the Accord. Honda sales for the Accord are currently down.

[@amirillodude]

The Accord is more refined and larger, if that's important to the buyer.

[@jraheemjefcoat429]

@@amirillodude And those who are buying it are 45 and up in age.

[@kikomanster8188]

With pretty much the same hybrid engine, Civic just looks way better than it’s older brother, the Accord. The interior space in Civic nowadays are almost the same as the Accord down to the trunk but you can also get the hatchback Civic if you need an suv like utility. Smaller and lighter footprint will make the Civic more athletic and faster than it’s sibling given almost the same power. There’a just not enough reason to get the Accord unless they sell it right at the same price of a Civic or offer better financing rates which will help it’s sales but profit will be ehhh long term.

[@ThePilotGear]

I totally agree. If I was shopping for a new car 15 years ago (and had my two kids) I'd be shopping for an Accord. But as it stands, I'm about 6 months away from this new Civic hybrid.

[@davcuts2897]

Great comparison, but it seems the new Civic Hybrid should be compared to the new 25 Camry Hybrid instead. Because they are very similar in price. Please compare them and the new Prius and Accord Hybrid which is more comparable in price. I also have a feeling the new Civic Hybrid will be in such high demand it will be difficult to find one on the lot just like the Corolla.

[@z32luvr]

Size. The Accord competes with the Camry.

[@jeffjo8732]

@@z32luvr Size. The Corolla is (barely) an EPA compact car, which means its passenger+cargo volume is between 100 and 109 ft^3. The Corolla is 89+13=102 ft^3; The Civic, while Honda _markets_ it as a compact, is an EPA midsize car (110 to 119 ft^3). At 99+15=114 ft^3, it is almost exactly the same size as the Camry, at 100+15=115 ft^3. And the Accord, at 106+17=123 ft^3, is an EPA large car.

[@jeretso]

2025 Civic Hybrid and Corolla Hybrid are both Sold Out at my dealers. 2025 Camry is available and better MPG 53/50. I would get the Civic Hybrid Hatchback instead of the Prius. The rear door handles in the Prius are just plain ugly.

[@emazon88]

Fantastic review for us normal people. Thanks!!

[@iComeInPeace8]

IMO Toyota is cheating their customers by not offering their newer 2.0L hybrid in the Corolla for North America. It's been available in Europe with ~185HP in sedan, hatchback and wagon forms for ages already but they refuse to update the North American Corolla and that rubs me the wrong way. I'm glad the Civic hybrid comes out with actually updated and compelling powertrains and packages to put Toyota to shame. Corolla hybrid is good if you want the absolute cheapest cost to get into and run a new car. Otherwise, the Civic hybrid is a much much better car for the money.

[@venelinkeremedchiev9643]

After the minor facelift the 2.0 hybrid Corolla here in the EU became 196hp. But you can only get that in the Station Wagon or in the Hatchback (the 1.8 hybrid is also available for those). For the sedan only hybrid option is 1.8 around 140hp. But only Corolla in the EU with AWD option is the Cross. On the other hand this Civic is offered only as a Hatchback for now where i live. I know practical stuff and all but the Sedan is so good looking...

[@jraheemjefcoat429]

The Corolla looks like a bloated compact jelly bean compares to the Civic. If i have to choose, it will be the Civic. The dimensions are better than the Corolla in size. The Civic looks more midsized than a compact, which I like. The interior looks better, whereas Corolla reminds me of a budget rental car special. And I dont know about anyone, but I always get stuck behind slow Corolla drivers on the highway. Rarely a slow Civic driver. They normally the ones that keep up!

[@OrangeUp]

Slow is good. Safer.

[@jraheemjefcoat429]

@@OrangeUp If you're a senior citizen.

[@Jin-ex8bk]

My answer is just to get a one with a better deal at your dealership.

[@HumbleBearcat]

I would like to see a Civic Sport Hatchback hybrid vs a comparably priced Prius review.

[@hctim96]

That would be a better comparo. 200 hp to 200 hp. Apples to apples, eh?

[@ranran2218]

Definitely have to go with the honda. Interior is far more refined on the honda. Performance isn't even close either. As someone with a 2004 honda closing in on 200k miles I can't say enough good things about honda. Plus you aren't paying a huge cost for just owning a toyota especially when dealers tend to be less than ideal to deal with.

[@nickgonchar7272]

Toyota needs to think about Prius pricing if they really want to sell it. At its current price Prius has very little chance. 2025 Civic Sedan Sport Hybrid 200hp C$35,293 2024 Prius XLE AWD 196hp C$40,631 Corolla hybrid with 138hp and tight back seat is a great city car, but it's one grade below these two on a highway.

[@jaspervincent95]

I drove both of them and I bought the touring sport hybrid last week, driving both back to back you can notice a significant difference the civic is much nicer and quieter not don’t have the droning noise even when floored day and night difference, the civic feels like it is competing with the Camry and Corolla is not a worthy competitor to the hybrid civic

[@dbrucegood950]

Aside from the other comparisons made in his review, the styling of the Honda is far better than the Toyota, IMHO. I'd love to have one, but I'm 82 and expect my 2017 RDX, with only 30K mi. on it, to be my final car. If someone demolishes it, and I live, I'll get a Civic.😁

[@ComenzandoBien]

I just don't understand why the reviewers keep putting the Civic hybrid vs Corolla hybrid, the main factor is the price, and the price of the Civic it's very close to the Toyota CAMRY, Which is a more Fair comparison

[@z32luvr]

Size

[@michaelnash2972]

I really don’t understand why people are comparing the Civic to the Camry. The amount of equipment that a $33k Camry is not much. Thats basically an SE with AWD and maybe the convenience package. Yet the Civic is giving you rain sensing wipers, Bose sound system, leather interior, power passenger seat. The only way your getting that in a Camry is the XSE or XLE with the premium package and that is $40k

[@Joseabh24]

@@michaelnash2972 it has more tech but camry is bigger and seats are more comfortable in accord/camry. Thats why, its next segment car literally Same example with the hybrid touring accord, its almost 40k. For that price you can get a lexus lmao

[@michaelnash2972]

@@Joseabh24I get it that you could spend $32k on a Camry but there’s not much in it. $32k is a Camry LE with the convenience package, Cold Weather package and maybe AWD. The Civic Sport Touring has a lot more equipment. It’s comparing apples and oranges.

[@Joseabh24]

@@michaelnash2972 its up to you, tbh. But i saw reviewers complaining the exact same thing about the prices on honda. With the accord full equiped you can get a lexus, literally a luxury car. And comparing the civic you can get a next segment car, of course its more basic but more comfortable car, more space, and still hybrid Thats the thing with toyota, they give you a lot of options that you can get and they are not that overpriced

[@ganymeade5151]

Turbos are more expensive and can be very expensive over time. Turbos are pricey to adjust and repair.

[@charlesdudek7713]

Back in 1990 we bought a brand new Accord as we were just beginning our family of two children. That car handled the four of us and gear just fine. Today the new Civic is pretty much the same dimensions as that Accord.

[@AwesomeEricD]

I have that exact red Civic hybrid ! It's f'ing GREAT !

[@treesnmoguls]

I am an Accord owner. When I was shopping for a car 4 years ago, I compared the Accord Coupe to the Camry. The Camry was great, but there's something about the way Hondas drive and look that I prefer. Similarly, I'd pick the Civic.

[@brians5650]

😡

[@rockyelbrodi]

I test drove a new 2025 Camry SE and the new 2025 Civic hybrid sport touring. Man, the Camry still feels like a Toyota with a cheaper feeling interior and the driving engagement is so much better on the Civic. It's definitely a step up from the last generation, but still. Everything from the steering, to the suspension, to even letting off the gas pedal, the Civic just felt so much better. The new Camry is great, but It just doesn't give the same engagement as a Honda.

[@ThePilotGear]

@@brians5650 ?

[@ThePilotGear]

@@rockyelbrodi Thank you for comparing those two. I was also somewhat considering the Camry SE hybrid, but only test drove the Civic hybrid and was blown away. The Camry got great reviews but that seals the deal for me.

[@JoseFernandez-dd4id]

Honda Will actually give you a good deal on their cars vs. Toyota won’t take off not even en $5 from their overpriced MSRP also Toyota has a higher INTREST RATE OVER HONDAS 😂

[@DUANEYAISER]

Yes, I do need you to compare the Prius to the Civic, as it’s the close match in performance, quality, and price! I’d go for Corolla for best value and lowest cost, but I really want the better quality and am torn between Prius and Civic. Help!! I just subscribed too. :-)

[@pi.actual]

I bought a US spec Sport Touring Civic hybrid last week in the same lagoon blue color as the one shown. I've done a number of road trips having about 1500 miles on the clock so far and I'm very happy with it. This is my first hybrid and my friend has a Corolla hybrid so I guess we should do a comparison?

[@danc2014]

Did you recall the line, has more HP than the Si. How much mods can you add?

[@pi.actual]

@@danc2014 Despite the power I don't see the hybrid as competition for Si. No manual, different driver experience and a platform that owners probably aren't going to be interested in modifying. I have a Ferrari 308, this Honda is my urban commando vehicle.

[@WelchRandallPropertyManagement]

I wish they didn’t have the iPad sticking up out of the dashboard just integrated into the dashboard and make it look more pretty

[@mateocafe45]

I have a 2023 Toyota Corolla LE Hybrid AWD. I love the car. The 134 HP is plenty fast for me and acceleration onto the highway is not an issue. I would choose it over the Honda Hybrid any day. I am a loyal Toyota fan.

[@py1211]

To me, a bigger and roomier car means a lot, so it must be the Civic.

[@rockyelbrodi]

I test drove a new 2025 Camry SE and the new 2025 Civic hybrid sport touring. Man, the Camry still feels like a Toyota with a cheaper feeling interior and the driving engagement is so much better on the Civic. It's definitely a step up from the last generation. Love the giant screen, the space, and exterior looks nice. But everything from the steering, to the suspension, to even letting off the gas pedal, the Civic just felt so much better. The new Camry is great, but It just doesn't give the same driving engagement as a Honda. The Civic is also smaller

[@TheTRUST8888]

You forgot to mention that the Corolla hatchback is not offered in a hybrid.

[@HumbleBearcat]

It's coming shortly.

[@ThePilotGear]

it's so funny how the Corolla hatch has had a hybrid system for a few years now, just...not for the North American market. I have no idea why Toyota would do this...

[@michaelnash2972]

@@HumbleBearcatIt won’t. The Corolla Hybrid Hatchback is technically the Prius.

[@VeyroneR]

Civic is just overall Better car without doubt, just too expensive its crazy.

[@john4385]

Excellent..My next buy will be one of these 2.....😍

[@marceloamaral6046]

Execellent vídeo. Congratulations.

[@0bzen22]

The Honda is better. It gets closer with the 2.0L Corolla Touring Sport. But against the sedan, the Civic Hatchback. Or the Camry, especially the cheap Camry LE.

[@jaurequi25]

Honda has more personality.

[@lynnmcculloch-m4h]

❤❤❤❤❤

[@robertcruz1463]

Honda definetly..,

[@Doc1855]

I’d personally go with the new Prius AWD.

[@Jasona1976]

Just bought this month Corolla XLE hybrid. Love it. Formerly a Honda man. No more.

[@oreally8605]

2012 9.0 RS Scion xB owner here ( no oil consumption issues ) im happy as a clam. There are a plethora of great used cars, as long as you stick with Toyota or Honda, mmmmm maybe Nissan as long as you stay on top of maintenance. 😊

[@Nothern_King]

I've 'ordered' a Corolla Hybrid SE AWD, they said it'll be a year - i know it's allocation based. I ordered one month in September 2024 in Canada. I'm so tempted to cancel it and buy a Honda Civic Hybrid.

[@ja6ix]

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[@tedneanderthal7373]

Is an updated Corolla coming for 2025 or 2026?

[@MrKikoboy]

it won't be much different

[@psewgobind]

Aa long time Honda owner and now owning 2 Hyundai, I'm also having a hard time to hate on this new Civic Hybrid... I'm still ticked-off that Honda didn't build-on the 10th Civic with K20C2 engine and 6MT transmission...The fools gave us the 11th Si which is a joke vs Elantra N. If I do get the Hybrid Civic, It'll be my 4th brand new Civic bought from Allison assembly plant, but it's a hard decision. I'm feeling like I need to hold on to my Elantra N keys till the bitter end.

[@TheOtherKine]

Civic wins by a MILE, because by the time you add the top of the line stereo, the Civic is much better designed on the interior. Prius is not in the conversation because to get it fully loaded like the Civic, the Prius comes close to $40K, which is ridiculous

[@Joseabh24]

I got the civic sport 2024. My plan is to trade it for a corolla in the near future. Im really disapointed with honda, this car is brand new and i had to do service 2 times already in 5 months + seats are súper uncomfortable Corolla is super basic but at least it doesnt give you any problems and seats are more comfortable

[@ThePilotGear]

@@Joseabh24 That's funny; I just testdrove the Civic hybrid in Sport trim and I found the seats to be really comfortable. Mind me asking what kind of service you had done on your Civic? I'm considering one shortly.

[@z32luvr]

@@Joseabh24cool story bro

[@Joseabh24]

@@ThePilotGear the 2025 hybrid probably improved their seats. But regular sport seats are super stiff and barely padded like normal sedans. Other thing is you dont notice the seat issues when you test drive so i dont know, i dont have a good back either and im 24 years old Talking about the car issues: 1) it went to service because the traffic sign recognition stopped working, the dealer took like a week to repair it because they didnt found the problem on why the TSR wasn’t working 2) the front camera overheats very often if you live on a very hot city and you leave the car parked for a few minutes, like 15 minutes minimum (in my case i live in florida), so it always shows you a warning that the front camera stops working 3) the car came with a weird flaw on the drivers door that when i drive in a heavy rain that happens a few times in florida the water leaks through the car, its not a huuuuuge leak but i mean its like drops of water constantly on the car, considering this is a brand new car 0 miles 4) the car has an autolock system to lock the doors when you get away of the car, the thing is it usually doesnt lock it and you have to get your keys out of the pocket and lock it manually, i saw its a common issue on the accord too so probably its an issue with the keys(?) i dont know Edit: the dealer doesnt want to solve the water leaking issue and the keys issue by the way Other thing is this version of 2024 have bad fuel economy and it doesnt have Blind spot monitor being a 26K $ car My point here is: im 24 years old working hard to pay this car brand new, i cant take days off my job that often to go to the dealer to solve this issues. The dealer doesnt take service appointments on weekends, only if you are doing oil change service. I just wanted a reliable car, comfortable, efficent and fuel economy. But this car is just giving me headaches and on top of that is expensive comparing with toyota If you are planning to get the civic hybrid for 30K it just will be a better option to get the camry. Its hybrid too, more comfortable seats, bigger car and better segment Maybe my issues could be stupid for some people but i just wanted a piece of mind

[@Joseabh24]

@@z32luvr Most intelligent fanboy:

[@brainpaulino]

For me Toyota and Honda, their focus is on the engine, unlike other brands, the focus is on beauty. That's why Toyota and Honda= reliability

[@somecharactersnotallowed1319]

the honda is definetely shaper. I would say in 2024 toyota had the win but 2025 will be the year of honda

[@meemka8251]

Not a fair comparison since Corolla Hybrid is five years old and Civic Hybrid was just introduced in North America. Shari would have to wait a year or so to compare all-new 2026 Corolla- which supposedly will have the same powertrain as the Prius- to the Civic Hybrid. That would be a fair comparison.

[@Jay-i9g5c]

Exactly. The real comparison is when the Corolla gets redesigned THEN compared to the civic

[@islanddon865]

For my purposes, for my home in The Great White North, performance is all about MPG and AWD. This is my daily driver on the Coquihalla, or almost anywhere l want to go. And $5000 will feel pretty good in my pocket. But l hear rumors that the Corolla Hatchback will be coming in a Hybrid. Just about perfect!

[@tomwilliams242]

In UK Toyota offer both the 1.8 litre engine tested here & a 2.0 litre engine. There is little difference in performance between both cars with the 2.0 litre engines. The Honda hybrid system has clutches that enable the engine to drive the wheels which when these wear out will involve huge expense. I believe no clutches are in the Toyota hybrid drive system. In Euro NCAP offset safety test the Honda drivers side seat belt performance is rated as weak. In UK if a Toyota is serviced by main dealer a 10 year 100,000 year warranty is provided. The Corolla is made in the UK so does not have import duty added unlike the Civic which is made in Japan.

[@oleglishchenko4922]

I can't see the hybrid Civic hatchback on Honda Canada website. Not there yet?

[@jeretso]

The winner is Camry Hybrid at the same price point as Civic Hybrid . Both Camry and Civic start at $28k. Corolla Hybrid starts at $24K

[@dg7438]

I wish Honda would not be cheap, listen to their customers, and put in rear a/c vents and lumbar support.

[@dg7438]

Honda needs to put in the 2.0T in the Si from the Accord. For their Sport model, that is ridiculous

[@JoeL-gf9wz]

People from the lower mainland. Some Honda dealership has market adjustments but it’s disguised as extras. $1900 which includes undercoating, paint protection, wheel and FOB insurance, etc. DO NOT BUY FROM THEM. I finally found a dealership that had no extras.

[@Supreme-Sharma]

which dealership

[@mitchellc2723]

The civic is just WAY TOO GOOD. Sorry Corolla.

[@onterrioredmon5711]

The Corolla xse does not offer the hybrid option the xle does and the civic sport hybrid sport touring hybrid is the only two options

[@gigglybeast]

I was trying to decide between these 2 cars and got frustrated and bought a Lexus ES 350.

[@OrangeUp]

😂

[@sk-un5jq]

Civic all the way

[@HumbleBearcat]

The wheel size on the Civic Hybrid is ludicrous: 235/40/18". Honda should've added the LX Hybrid trim with 16" alloy wheels which is more appropriate.

[@ThePilotGear]

totally agree. 16 is a good size and 17 are nice and large. 18 is excess on a compact.

[@jimdukarich1692]

The Civic.

[@texasabbott]

Reliability comes first! Too many consumers are infatuated with the latest features and technology, only to be disappointed when it stops working. Too many gadgets means things that can go wrong. Between these two, it would be the most robust one that could last 20 years without the powertrain glitching or dashboard screen going blank.

[@jraheemjefcoat429]

It's pretty much damn if you do, and damn if you don't. Someone like yourself may want a car with minimum technology. But then again, it won't compete with their class of vehicles that offers the technology and younger buyers who were raised with technology, will look at car with early 2000s features as "old." It's like saying, let's go back to flip phones with buttons because you don't have to worry about a smartphone screen getting cracked. But who owns a flip phone with buttons now besides a senior citizen who despises technology?

[@swapnil3310]

Why the Civic hatchback not available in hybrid?

[@Avatar1946]

It looks like the hatchback Civic isn't available as a hybrid according to the Honda website. Am I missing something ?

[@donaldwilson2620]

I believe the Civic Hybrid Hatchback will be offered later on in the year. The hybrid versions of the Honda models always come much later than the regular gas models.

[@JeffSpehar-ov1cn]

Honda. Way more power. Better MPG. No comparison.

[@ThePilotGear]

I'd pick the Civic hybrid myself but Toyota has better real-world MPGs.

[@Delta922]

I'm going with the corolla since the civic doesn't provide a spare tire.

[@kyrosmike]

Well the 5th gen system in Prius will fit in Corolla since we have corolla cross, so should make it on par with Civic. However, why pay more for prius other than its a hatchback/style.

[@michaelnash2972]

Corolla Hybrid already has the 5th Gen system. I believe Corolla and Corolla Cross got it right before the Prius.

[@kyrosmike]

@@michaelnash2972 my 2024 has 1.8 hybrid cross is 2.0 hybrid

[@michaelnash2972]

@@kyrosmike Yes both are using the 5th Generation Toyota Hybrid System as is the 2025 Camry. Toyota sells the Prius with the 1.8 in other markets.

[@drmap5194]

I think the price of civic hybrid is so high one can get a Camry LE hybrid 2025 model in same price which is a much better option 😊

[@Joseabh24]

Yup

[@z32luvr]

Depends on what you’re looking for. You’re also comparing a bottom trim to a top trim.

[@charlietan9623]

Whatever.. i still root for honda! Honda for life!

[@vasilisskarlatopoulos9051]

Civic is better but here it cost more than a Lexus....the hybrid corolla is a great car though and really frugal.

[@carlosbardales4179]

The real comparo should be Civic hybrid and the new Prius hybrid ...lets do that soon.

[@expsterm1]

With the ugly look of the current Accord, you might as well buy the Civic

[@incognito5109]

For the awd alone id take the Corolla

[@ThePilotGear]

ah man... it's marketing. Don't get sucked into that. I live in the heart of winter in Canada and have owned nothing but front-wheel drive compacts for 18 years. Never, not even once, had an issue. You do need excellent snow tires, but sending torque to the rear axle doesn't help if you have crappy all seasons. Try the Civic hybrid; it's in another league. The next gen Corolla will likely be more competitive but this current one has lost it through and through to Honda.

[@docholliday2961]

In real life honda is 10 k more than that hybrid corolla ! For the price of the civic I rather get the 2025 Camry reliable no transmission issues as Honda 😮

[@jeffjo8732]

Maybe you should do actual research. Today, on Honda's "Build and Price" webpage, the Civic Sport Hybrid has a MSRP of $28,750. On Toyota's, the Corolla SE Hybrid is $27,500. That's a $1,250 difference, not anywhere near 10K. But..... The Civic comes with a moonroof. One is "available" with the Corolla, for $1,295 package. Poof, price difference gone. In a car with 62 more horses (200 to 138) and better mpgs (49 to 47). Yes, the same package includes includes other features, but most are also standard on the civic (except indicators on the outside mirrors, and a Qi charger.) There are other features that are standard on the Civic as well, that the Corolla lacks. Oh, and since you mentioned the Camry? The Corolla is (barely) an EPA compact car (100 to 109 ft^3 passenger+cargo), at 89 ft^3 for passengers plus 13 ft^3 for cargo, making 102 ft^3. Even though it is marketed as a compact, the Civic is a midsize (110 to 119 ft^3) at 99+15=114 ft^3. That's 12% more space! It is almost the exact same size as the Camry, at 100+15=115 ft^3. So, the Camry is a more realistic comparison, and the SE starts (so no moonroof or other standard features on the Civic) at $30,700. And finally, the transmission. These are the hybrids. Transmission? What transmission? Honda don't need no stinkin' transmission. Yes, it is called eCVT, but the Civic Hybrid technically HAS NO TRANSMISSION. Some think "virtual CVT" is a better name. And the reliability figures for the system are better than Toyota's.

[@harrytej]

Honda doesn’t have any transmission, not CVT not conventional none

[@danc2014]

You all missed the gas engine has a clutch gear that kicks in at 65 mph to aids the e motor drive. The CRV Hybrid has a 2nd gear for a lower speed aid

[@jeffjo8732]

@@danc2014 I did not miss anything. Certainly not that the Civic has a multiplate clutch that engages a single, direct-drive (I.e., not what is considered a "transmission"), _overdrive_ gear that _takes_ _over_ from the traction motor when cruising above about _40_ to _45_ mpg. Or that the traction motor usually operates as a generator in this situation. In rare situations, the motor can assist the engine with a small amount of power. But the clutch will disengage if that rare situation lasts long, or if the power needed is above the level of "negligible." Nor did I miss that the CR-V, which is not the subject here, has a second such clutch primarily for _towing._ Since it can also engage above about 25 to 30 mph, I suppose the entire system could be considered to be a two-speed transmission. I don't, it is two separate direct-drives. This is a pointless distinction, because again, the CR-V is not the subject here. Which is that they are no, and can be no, "transmission issues."

[@saadtheman1]

toyotas for life

[@thommytruong29]

Civic is a hard pass for me. For that kinda money I can just go with the Camry. Or hell, a couple grands more I can get a base model Rav4 hybrid.

[@Mahdisabamehr]

Is there a Mazda 3 Hybrid in the horizon?

[@mrnarason]

In your dreams. CX 50 will come first

[@ThePilotGear]

Yeah I'm also hoping Mazda comes out with a new gen Mazda3 soon.

[@harryrose6254]

In Australia, the civic is 25% dearer ($55,000) than a top line corolla ($44,000). They aren't taking orders for the Camry as the wait time is 1 year +

[@ThePilotGear]

happily in Canada, dealers cannot charge over MSRP. Also Toyota is getting much better with their hybrid and plug-in hybrid vehicle supply. They seem to have caught up (somewhat) to their market demand. That said, I've personally driven the Civic hybrid and it was an absolute hit. It will be my next daily driver. It's actually very fun to drive and I'll have no problem forfeiting my third pedal. I just wish fuel economy was rated better, somewhere in the 3.0-3.5 L/100km with maybe a 2.0-3.0 kWh battery. Oh well, it'll come down to my driving style which might prove to help me save some mpgs.

[@ivanidread]

"caught up to market demand"? Idk about that, I'm in the GTA and Ive been waiting coming up on 6 months for a Toyota hybrid. As for what you wrote about the Civic hybrid, although I've yet to get any seat time in one, I agree! More power, nicer interior, etc. Will give it serious consideration if I get tired of waiting.

[@ThePilotGear]

@@ivanidread yeah more-or-less. The Rav4 prime used to be a 1.5-2.0 wait (totally absurd) and is now 6 months or less. They're catching up, but agree that you still need to order and wait, albeit much less. Toyota still builds excellent vehicles; my brother and his fiancée just took delivery if their Rav4 Prime last month and it's a seriously amazing car. That said, I think I'm still more a Honda man as Honda (and Mazda) still build cars that are far more enjoyable to drive than any other brand. I highly recommend you try one out.

[@ivanidread]

Will do and thanks for the wait time info. My 1st new car was a small Mazda sedan with a 5-speed manual and that car was a blast to drive and not counting rentals have only driven manuals since. My wife and I both drive stick (#savethemanual) but we want to go hybrid for the next car so it's an autobox for sure.

[@ThePilotGear]

@@ivanidread same here! ...except my wife doesn't drive manual, and out of the 3 cars in our driveway, she only has access to the Highlander, which kinda sucks. My next daily driver needs to be an automatic and in the spirit of lowering my carbon footprint, the Civic hybrid is the chosen one.

[@CalgaryGuy71]

This is technically true that they can't charge over MSRP...but...they work around this by adding on accessories and special warranties for things like paint protection, but at 3 times the price of what they should be, so you end up paying above MSRP anyway.

[@dystopia-usa]

Not a fan of the latest Corolla (or the awful Toyota dealerships), so I would choose the latest Civic Hybrid or wait for a hybrid Mazda3 sedan or CX-30.

[@gigglybeast]

We need a comparison of the Civic to the Toyota Camry LE. Basically same price doing the same thing. I’m trying to decide between these two.

[@z32luvr]

Size

[@Joseabh24]

@@gigglybeast camry is better for that price

[@gigglybeast]

@@Joseabh24 - That’s my thought from what I’ve seen. I’ve driven the Camry LE (yesterday) and I was impressed. I think the only thing that will tilt my decision toward the Civic is if I just enjoy driving it more. Now I just need one of my local Honda dealers to get Civic in stock that I can test drive and put this decision to rest.

[@Joseabh24]

@@gigglybeast to be honest i think the top honda trims are overpriced. It losses the point of being a budget car. For example the top trim accord is almost 40k. For that price you can get a lexus, literally a luxury car XD

[@gigglybeast]

@@Joseabh24 - Exactly.

[@jxmar_]

This is the honeymoon phase w the civic until the new Corolla comes out w the same powertrain as the Prius.

[@JeffSpehar-ov1cn]

Where did you hear this?

[@ThePilotGear]

I agree; with the new Prius powertrain, the Corolla will be competitive again. That said, I still think the Civic wins the hearts of the enthusiast. It's a really engaging drive. The biggest difference will come with the Prius Prime's powertrain (if the Corolla does get that one and not just the hybrid). If you can get a plug on the Corolla, then the ball will be in Honda's court.

[@Elaba_]

I bought a new car in 2002 for 17000 euro. In todays money that's 26000 euro.

[@sophaman9193]

I'm not going to pay almost 40000$ for the civic hybrid i rather buy a basic camry hybrid bigger car more power better fuel economy and with awd

[@nickgonchar7272]

C$35,293 Sport Hybrid - not 40K. If you need a bigger car and AWD -- yes Camry (i.e. SE Upgrade AWD at $C40,931) does make sense.

[@ThePilotGear]

I wouldn't do it, especially not for the awd. Honestly, you don't need it, even if you live in the heart of snowy and icy winters. Get excellent winter tires and a fwd car that handles well.

[@ayayoutuber]

who need 4x4 when you only have 140hp. it is so slow it will not lose grip ever.

[@foxtrotwolf6081]

When you need 4x4 isn't when you're outputting 140hp (unless you're in a Unimog). Most of the time is when you're bypassing the chain control booth or when you're accelerating from a stop on slippery surfaces.

[@danc2014]

It is not 4x4 it is all wheel drive for when you are on slippery surfaces. Rain snow ice not rocks hills or snow storms.. Chain control will ask do you have 4x4 with snow tires AWD alone does not pass then you will need to carry chains still.

[@cars291]

Size equals price. There is no way around that unless one enters luxury gimmick land

[@living4christ]

I think for longevity, the corolla hybrid is the winner.

[@Joseabh24]

I have the civic 24’ sport, i feel disapointed with this car tbh. Its brand new and it went to service already 2 times in 5 months, seats are súper uncomfortable, they are giving me lumbar pain all the time, fuel economy is really bad, its 20 mpg. No BSM no wireless apple carplay, the driving position is sportier but the seats are so uncomfortable that makes the driving experience a hard time if you are driving hours My plan is to change it for a corolla and pay less monthly

[@z32luvr]

Lies

[@Joseabh24]

@@z32luvr XD Most intelligent honda fanboy

[@nextuser1]

Interesting, but you are comparing a 2025 Honda with a 2024 Toyota. In the future I hope to see a comparison with a 2025 Corolla.

[@benf3896]

Compare 2025 camry to the civic. The Corolla is not in the same price bracket.

[@JorgeBelmonte-w4d4d]

Looking at your content, words seem unnecessary before this magnificence. Just delightful!☝️☝️☝️ : 🧪.

[@adrienchan2097]

Nice, cars are nice. This civic is like 90-93 accord. Prices push me to get accord