208: finally talking about this . . .modesty

[@valeriya105]

PLEASE PLEASE do a podcast on femininity and how to act more feminine. It's really hard for women who never grew up in this environment and don't want to be loud or unattractive to our husbands, but it comes off that way in some situations.

[@spencerkeaton8234]

I agree, this is a good idea for a video

[@catgeel264]

It is very culturally dependent though. What can come across as unattractive in one culture can be very feminine and attractive in another. The Bible doesn't really tell us one cultural expression is better than another, Paul even says to be like the Greeks among the Greeks - be feminine in your own cultural setting!

[@valeriya105]

@@catgeel264 I see what you’re saying but I disagree because I don’t agree with all cultures in their beliefs in modesty. It becomes subjective, and we as women need objective morality

[@catgeel264]

@@valeriya105 I see what you mean (I think😉), there are for sure cultures that promote promiscuity, loudness or extravagance, and we can say we should not follow cultures in those respects. On a higher than 'rule' level, we can definately pinpoint tendencies that are or are not modest. However, when you get too specific, and that was my fear here, you may say something that is against those tendencies in other cultures. For example, when I went to India, a culture véry different from my own, I received many sexualized gazes from men when I had forgotten to put on my leggings one day. Lower legs are immensely sexualized. On the flip side, most ladies have their mid torso completely uncovered, which would make me feel highly uncomfortable if I wore that as the midriff area is sexualized in my culture, but it isn't at all in theirs. Not being American, I see way too many well-meaning video's made by Americans who say something on femininity for example, that just would come across wrong in my culture. However, having finished the video, I'm more confident the Voetbergs would be able to make a good video on feminity, they did an amazing job with the topic of modesty!

[@lauraparker07]

Why do you care if women act or dress feminine? Not everyone believes like you and that's ok!

[@peterbrenner9342]

Our freedom in Christ is not to do as we please but freedom from our flesh so we can please God in EVERYTHING.

[@taylorferrell8308]

I have been on a modesty journey since I was 21 and I am 32 now. I am still amazed how much the Father keeps growing me in this area. I had gone through a time where I was very modest but to much so that my husband asked for me to please add in some color and beauty back to my wardrobe. I now have a wardrobe that is modest but yet beautiful to my husband and I both. The heart is truly what matters. A modest spirit is very beautiful. Thank you both for this podcast and I pray that many who have not gone down the journey of modesty do because it is one that goes further then what we wear on the outside, it starts to transform the heart if we let it. Blessings and peace!

[@elizabethmadore4064]

Would love to hear where you shop! I’ve had the same problem. My wardrobe has gotten very drab making modest dressing even more unpopular! Help!

[@Dana-mb1hd]

@@elizabethmadore4064 I love inherit clothing company and beloved clothing company! Hope this is helpful- they have modest clothing!🙏💖

[@alittleheavenonearth]

@@elizabethmadore4064shein ! Really affordable and modesty ! We’ll have to seek what is modesty to everyone…

[@KM-mi2ix]

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[@KM-mi2ix]

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[@RaelynnG]

I appreciate modesty from both men and women, it shows a respect for others when people keep themselves covered in all of the intimate places. It just makes being around people so much more pleasant, rather than feeling like you have to concentrate so hard on not seeing inappropriate things.

[@judifreeland4600]

This is seriously the BEST talk I’ve heard on modesty.

[@meganmartin3244]

This is one of the BEST conversations I have ever heard on modesty. Thank you for your openness and humility and your desire to separate this subject from legalism. My father played a huge role in teaching me modesty and I am eternally grateful. He did really well at always pointing me back to the "why" we do what we do, and that of course, was our love for Christ. He would often encourage me to go to my drawers or closet every day and ask the Lord what HE wanted me to wear that day. At 33 years old, married and currently have four daughters, I oftentimes still do that :)

[@lynnettehorning915]

I love your comment, Katie, about when we walk into a room, what do people notice first? Our joy and peace or our apparel? That's an excellent way to think about it

[@unraveledmotherhood]

I really appreciate the way you spoke about this topic. I’ve fallen into the trap of going from an immodest Christian growing up to I can’t wear anything because it’s showing skin and not a dress (even though my husbands standards were not that strict). The way you articulated modesty without hard and fast guidelines was so helpful for me often times I would listen to something about modesty and then finding myself trying to figure out what rules they follow and have failed time and time again. Also it’s funny how you mention Hawaii because growing up here and living here now it’s so hard to figure out modesty when the place you live is sooooo immodest and casual (even in church)sometimes I feel like I’m sticking out so much because I’m trying to be modest. Or a lot of times people mistake me from not being a local because locals just don’t dress modestly unless they’re old 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@thegallofamilyy]

I have grown so much in this area since being saved 4 years ago! coming from the world and getting radically saved it was a process but thank God He is patient with us. The Holy Spirit begins to reveal this truth to you about modesty as you are being sanctified and I think you can really feel when you are dressed inappropriately for the situation. Great convo! My husband definitely takes charge in this area for me and know he will for both our daughters albeit counter-culturally!

[@beckycarney6296]

Love this - thanks. One thing I think would be a great thing to talk about is how you can dress modestly but still look pretty. I think this gets confused with wearing baggy clothes and nothing cute.

[@shelbys2750]

Modesty for me has become mostly about me not showing things that I would need to shave before going out. Not that I never wear a shirt you can see my armpits in or never wear shorts in summer because I do, but I general I don't want to have to think about shaving for the day before going out as a busy mom.

[@queeniebaggins3732]

I can sooo relate to this 🤣🤣

[@Ama.921]

That’s not modesty, that hygiene and routine question. How you take care of yourself

[@Dana-mb1hd]

I can’t wait to watch this while my toddler naps today- i need some direction as a Christian mama in this area-you guys are an inspiration to me thank you❤🙏

[@modelingmotherhood]

Y'all are so good ! As a newer Christian I've struggled with this. Love your explanation. And ultimately if we agree with someone else's standard of modesty or not, we should still love God and love others when we think or interact with that person above all. Modesty seems trivial if we aren't loving the person in the clothes.

[@KW-bj5jp]

Would you also be willing to do a part two on how you both handle the modesty topic when you are around others that are choosing to not be modest in very revealing clothing? Nowadays the clothes, bathing suits etc are very revealing and tight and it can be hard to know what to do while out and about with your family and young children; especially boys. Please discuss how you all handle this when around it?

[@forgiven213]

Yes please Trying to work out how to think about this topic especially as my sons are not babies any more and I’m trying to figure out will we even be going to the beach anymore

[@sarahyale9046]

Same! Wondering about taking out boys to the beach during the summer.

[@idepartasair]

We teach our kids generally not to talk about the way that other people look in front of them, but my oldest son (almost 7) has pointed out to me when other women are dressed immodestly. He also points out when other women wear makeup because we do not believe in wearing makeup. I wouldn't have a problem with those women hearing him either (though he did, in those cases, speak to me out of their earshot) because I think that they should know if their clothing is calling others' attention. Especially if she is a Christian, she should know, and I think that a child pointing it out is a gentle wake up call.

[@maycievanpatten6633]

I could NOT stop laughing when y’all were talking about the feminine pants and how Elijah looked in the ski pants 😂 anyone else?! Just me?!

[@rebeccadumas9536]

I didn't realize you guys are from Idaho, too. That's awesome! I don't think even with our 6 months of winter, we are safe from the immodest clothing. I love that you guys are being kind, but voicing your thoughts/ opinions. Thank you for your videos. I'm glad I subscribed & can't wait to get to know your channel better. God bless you & your family.

[@rebeccadumas9536]

& I forgot to mention I greatly appreciate you guys, including boys/ men in this... I never really thought about it with a shirt off for swimming, etc. but now that makes sense.

[@steffa648]

They live in Idaho but I’m pretty sure they are both from Oregon.

[@rebeccadumas9536]

@Steff A Thank you for the reply. That's ok... I pretty much grew up here & even tho we moved around a lot as a kid & early into married years, I still claim Idaho as home ♥️

[@kristinabronder8733]

You both did an amazi g job of sharing this truth...so many times people go right to the rules and forget the Holy Spirit and what our heart should desire to - honor Him through all our life (inward and outward). I hope many listen to this truth. Well done!

[@emilygrace4040]

SO looking forward to you guys discussing this topic. Your wisdom is so appreciated!

[@gigib4076]

This podcast is so valuable to all fathers, mothers and children. I wish you would take this to a conference platform where many could benefit! Katie I love that you didn’t give a legalistic list of do’s and don’ts… I feel that we should also discuss how boys and men dress, wear cologne when not with their wives, ego (physical appearance) and vanity. Also how they should act towards females that don’t carry themselves appropriately whether it’s in their dress or their flirtatious attitude.

[@peterbrenner9342]

I appreciate this episode. Thank you for looking at this from a Biblical standpoint. It is such a touchy subject but modesty should be heavily sought after by all Christians for the glory of Christ.

[@wendymtzc]

Regarding clothing for both men and woman, I was taught it needs to be gender specific (basically no pants on women and no dresses or skirts on men), it needs to cover your nakedness (loins or thighs need to be covered, nothing above the knee), it needs to be modest, meaning you are not drawing attention to yourself, so no tight form fitting clothing, low cleavage. And I was taught these principles with clear scriptures, it was not just the pastor’s opinion. I believe this is where many church leaders fail, they have many rules but no scripture to back up their claims so people are less likely to make any changes because after all is the word of God/Holy Spirit that will convict us.

[@peggyjohns7893]

I appreciate your honesty.

[@QuiteQuietASMR]

This video has been suggested to me over and over for the last few days so I finally decided to click on it :) love seeing people discuss these important topics that kind of go against what society likes to say

[@ourwholesomehome4967]

This doesn’t work for all people in all situations, but I’ve found this helpful… When you get dressed, ask yourself honestly… “What is my true motive for choosing these clothes? Does this outfit glorify God?”

[@idepartasair]

Exactly. It's very, very challenging to be 100% honest with oneself about that.

[@mycupoverflows7811]

As far as men and modesty... My husband has a very hairy chest, which I think is incredibly sexy. I had a really, REALLY hard time when he removed his shirt when we were dating. I joked with him that he was "causing me to stumble." But it wasn't a joke. 😬 It really does go both ways.🤷‍♀️

[@dhvh6580]

This was such an incredible talk on modesty. Thank you for all you said! You do so well at putting the concept and importance of modesty into words.

[@paigestrobbe6430]

I agree about the way things are cut! Having a slit up the dress or skirt definitely feels less modest than most of my shorts which seems weird but I’m with you there

[@catgeel264]

Wow, I REALLY enjoyed this episode! It is probably the best on modesty I've ever heard. I LOVE that you included the part on who gets to have a say on a woman's clothing, and how it relates to headship, which became a lot clearer for me due to this podcast because it was so practically applied. Thank you for this!

[@lynn5505]

I love the comment about Male headship! My husband has come to me about yoga pants a few years ago and said… that he thought those left a little to the imagination- so we’ve compromised and I wear something wrapped around my waist if I’m wearing them out to run errands. At first I was insulted “bc everyone wears them” but the Lord really convicted me about them. Also, I always ask my husband what he really thinks about my outfit… bc like you said sometimes women just don’t think the same way men do when getting dressed. But, personally I always ask.. am I glorifying the Lord in the way I’m dressing? Am I drawing people to my face or body? Since growing in sanctification I don’t really feel comfortable in a lot of clothing. I dress femininely and attractive… not frumpy- I’m much more careful about what I wear. My husband says he finds me the most attractive in a floral dresses/ skirts than any of the trends..

[@bigfatdogby]

You really have no control over what men think.

[@hartleyfamily5451]

A popular concept I’ve always struggled with is in regards to wearing what we (as wives) deem “appropriate” for each situation…. if an outfit is worn at the beach or on a date night, how does showing more skin suddenly become okay? As Christians, is it okay allowing other men to see us in a somewhat revealing dress or one piece swimsuit that may cause them to struggle or even lust? Can we really justify wearing less clothing because the situation “was appropriate?” Just because a woman is having a conversation with a man, at the beach, does that make the swimsuit more modest than if she wore it at church? My desire is to dress for public (regardless of the situation) the way I would want other women to dress in front of my husband,. Thank you for the knowledge and passion in your podcasts that comes from a life following thr Lord 😊❤

[@jeremyb2120]

Yes, it's OK. There's a time for every purpose under heaven. There's a time to stand out, to be the center of attention, to wear your gold ring, your fancy hair, and your most expensive dress. Your wedding! And it's modest because modesty is about positioning yourself correctly in society so as to not look like your intentionally wearing something to shock people. It's not about skin or no skin. It's about loving others and humbling self. False modesty can hide behind covering and stick out at the wrong place and hide fear and pride and self righteousness. I think modesty can blend in and can stand out but all at the right time, right place, and the result or fruit will be happiness and love. Prove all things. Wear less to the beach, and wear more. Blend in and then stick out. See which bears the fruit of joy and love. Love one another. It's OK to look attractive to one another. Lust happens fully clothed or not,it's evil intentions. You're not guilty for another's evil intention. To admire is often accused as lust when its the opposite. Admiringly God is good. Esteeming one another is good. Praising one another is good. Enjoy your clothing. Please your husband. If it also pleases other men, your husband is also esteemed. When praised, your honor can be given to God, and you can tell them Jesus clothed me in His righteousness and love. And that's living with joy in the Lord.

[@suelayman1371]

Great topic, so timely! Modesty is God's way of protecting us as women.

[@crystalyutzy9670]

This has been a topic I’ve grappled with over the years. I really appreciate you talking though the different aspects of it.

[@onewomanparty3527]

wow I don't know why this popped up on my feed but I am transfixed. You guys are adorable. I am also happy I have two happy confident teenage girls who think more about their education and goals than their clothing. I've never given this much thought. It's totally fascinating that you give this so much thought. You seem happy, so rock on! xo

[@MessyTessie]

I would love to hear more about how you overcame feeling insecure and the jealousy for your husband's attention

[@SweetnSassyMamaOf2]

Such a good question 👍

[@thegardentillerboy1244]

We as ladies, should sit appropriately. Yes, what we cover our bodies with certainly matters. and how we carry ourselves matters as well. As ladies we should sit with our legs together! Good video!

[@Emily_Rudolph]

Love this video! Appreciate y'all sharing about this topic so much. God has and is growing me in this area aswell as a woman and I am passionate about it. On a diff note, and not trying to be hateful, but in your last video on your other channel, the thumbnail has a pic of Elisha shirtless 😅😬 I am with you Katie, I have become more protective of my husband and his great bod and he has been so kind to wear a swim shirt when swimming with others around. God bless you guys!

[@kellicupstid2514]

Haha you’re so goodly eyed you said “Elijah has good muscles.” 😂 I’m the same way with my husband. I’ve drooled over him for decades too 😂

[@brookenehring4020]

Thank you for this! Y’all did a great job explaining this!

[@kellicupstid2514]

Katie, You had me giggling so much when y’all were talking about your husband wearing his shirt unless swimming because you’re so attracted to him 😂 I am sooo attracted to my husband too and everything you were saying I kept nodding my head “yes” while thinking about my husband! 😂 gosh no shirt with jeans and a belt lolll 😅 I think I need to talk to my husband about his modesty because I have similar thoughts as you. Now that I’m married and get to enjoy my husband intimately I do think Christian men should keep their shirts on. But may the love of Christ continue to build us all up into Him as we all aim and try to please Him and Him alone. ❤ love you guys!

[@TRuth.T]

Thanks, for bringing up the modesty topic I came out of Mennonite background. I often thought that women were expected to be modest but the men were not as much. Often you would not know that the men/husband were plain Christians because of their immodesty. One time I made a unannounced visit to a sister in Christ & her husband was in a tight white t-shirt & shorts(he was our Bishop). We both were very uncomfortable. I wonder how he would of felt if it was Jesus at the door(Matthew 24:36). May we dress so others will not sin ...

[@Kneißle]

Agreed. As a Mennonite, I agree that we men need to regain the modesty and separation from the world that was universally expected a couple generations ago. Our Old Order brethren have done a better job at maintaining this.

[@NowBloom]

Great episode 🥰

[@michellebodjanac1709]

Best discussion in this topic I've ever heard. Discussed all the arguments from both sides in a loving way without a legalistic slant. So good!

[@HomesteadHealing]

I didn't know you were in North Idaho, I am as well, I wonder if we're in the same area. Great episode. Love your podcasts! Thank you!

[@lithopheliax61x5]

listening to this kind of content, I always feel that people say they come into their modesty journey going into their mid to late twenties or thirties - which generally is just a normal progression of taste and style... And therefore, I just think it is so important to not judge others and subject them to your standards, like - your teens and tweens WILL be more experimental with their clothing and it should be so - it would be weird for them to dress like someone who is 30 or 40 ;) When you talked about wearing a shirt swimming in youth camp, I just thought that for most, this is too much - but it would be such a relief for people kids who feel not great in their body, and would feel pressured wearing more revealing things, then they would like. Still, I would say that it would be more important to teach people not to judge, no matter what they are wearing... apart from that I think this was a really interesting and well nuanced conversation, I especially liked the part about how to act as to not make your partner uncomfortable ❤

[@myusernamehere]

Biology ... Biology is the best argument for modesty.

[@americathebeautiful9613]

You both are just wonderful!

[@bethany3914]

My boy is 5. How did you talk to your 6 year old about this that he knew to look away? I'm so intrigued by this.

[@amaliaveremchuk7148]

I agree with this msg wholeheartedly. I was also raised to dress modestly as a christian. But I had some issues with a couple ladies before that I am not modest enough in my wardrobe. Note that I have wide hips and slender waist, and am also short in height. My straight skirts would still show that I am curvy. I ADORE puffy and A-line skirts/dresses, but everytime I would try those on, I look so frumpy and funny. :/ Theres not many clothing styles I can pull off to look nice, even if i wanted to. The ladies that judged me were not curvy one bit, so I believe their problem with me personally might have stemmed from jealousy or such. Soon after that conversation with one lady, I caught her on a date with her husband wearing flaming red skinny jeans with her butt uncovered, and me being a single girl that time, I didnt even own skinny jeans. Talk about me being immodest! What I mean to say is that it's not fair to talk about what a curvy girl is allowed and not, and say the skinny one can wear almost anything she wants... I am all against tight clothing, but I have no choice but to wear form fitted skirts and dresses because thats the only clothing that makes me look good, as much as I dont care for that. I'm pretty sure curvy short girls can relate with me.

[@lauraparker07]

Skinny jeans are NOT immodest!

[@lisapitts9518]

Thank you for doing this video. I am 57 years old and find myself buying shorts in the mens department because they are longer and what I feel comfortable wearing. We live in Florida and of course it is summer here, tomorrow I am going shopping for a new swim suit, I pray I can find one that is modest and dosen't draw attention to me. Of course living in Florida I see women dressed very inappropriate, it's so sad what has happened to modesty in todays society.

[@spunkycat6144]

I will never forget the day I was headed into chapel at a university. This girl next to me was wearing a skin tight dress that was very short. So when she bend or sits you can see her underwear. I was not allowed in chapel because my dress had coulottes. In church there was a curvey 16 year old wearing a tight short dress. Every guy in the room was starring at her.

[@bekahreeverts354]

Are you all apart of the IBLP? Definitely getting those vibes.

[@lauraparker07]

I believe so, they give that vibe off. Maybe Mormon but this way of thinking is damaging

[@bairuta08]

Even when born again, my clothing were not humble, and for that i was severely humbled on my trip to Israel. I really felt the chastisement, but the funny thing was that i saw some other girls who were dressed on the same line as i was , but i was the only one who got literally scolded and got “death stares” from muslim men, i couldnt even get into some places, and would have to borrow a shawl. That was such a humiliating experience. And the reason of why i was wearing what i was wearing, was that i wanted to look cute in photos, although i went to that trip with my mom purely because of our faith in Jesus.

[@theswampstead559]

Amen! We're called to be set apart. My husband wears trunks and a quick dry shirt and I wear a knee length swim skort and a swim tshirt. I've always felt naked and uncomfortable at the beach and now that I've come into new understandings with studying scripture regarding modesty, I understand now that it's actually engrained in us to cover up by the Father's design. Fig leaves were insufficient in God's eyes and He made for them both, *tunics* out of animal skin. I love being more covered up and my husband likes it too. Likewise, I don't want people seeing his nakedness either. :)

[@K81620]

What don't you wear??? Why don't you say specifics? Ashamed

[@progressnotperfection9920]

Great talk. Loved it.

[@wolf_bridge5114]

Bindi Marc has an excellent utube video about modesty too which you would probably appreciate. LOVE your channel!!!

[@beccaO0906]

I love Bindi! Great for all Christian women.

[@lauraparker07]

Also, we are NOT responsible for how men think! Tbat is so Bill Gothard's way of thibking!

[@Natalie-qx4zy]

I really like modesty but i don't feel comfortable when i go somewhere with my husband and all other wemen dresses sexy way, I feel like all attention goes to other wemen

[@emmib1388]

You have no control over what others do -- but you can be thankful that you dressed modestly and are not the one on display for what you are not wearing :-) And the attention they are getting, it is not good. Now if your husband is one of them, you need to have a chat.

[@makinsay8958]

Katie, do you know where your dress is from?

[@ackreft]

I always wonder about her outfits 😊

[@melissabigelow7799]

I’d like to know as well!

[@glendaakers7528]

The Bible teaches us ladies not to wear men’s apparel. It also teaches us to dress modestly. It’s got to be in the heart.❤🙏

[@Mom_of_the_Chickies]

I personally will wear a sweater that belongs to my husband or something that may fit me of his but give it a feminine flair. Using shackets I don’t believe is bad unless your INTENTION is to look like a man and to draw unnecessary attention to yourself

[@alittleheavenonearth]

I dont agree with having to respect the atmosphere where you go… i think we should always be who we are no matter where you go, we are to always reflect god Everywhere .

[@actmrhata5079]

Paul washer said in one of his talks that your clothing should be a frame for your face, not for your body. Meaning your clothing can be flattering and nice, but is it drawing attention to your face? Or to a specific part of your body?

[@sellingbakersfield1416]

Thank you for this! Very reassuring to hear other like mindedness! As a wife and mother of only girls it was super encouraging to continue being set apart ❤

[@lisaengel89]

I found myself in a conundrum. I don’t like leggings because the silhouette is enough to potentially turn heads…yet I will wear a swimsuit (that’s modest compared to most) yet compared to leggings it’s worse. 🙄🤷🏼‍♀️

[@Gina-hq2gp]

I just saw the title from this Video and I have to say that here in Germany you didn't have to think about wearing, as a women,a Bikini or a modest swimsuit,because it's now allowed per law,that women can go topless ,showing naked boobs to a puplic Swimmingpool because of equal rights.😮😢It's Sodom and Gomorrha here in Germany.Our politic is so "left" and lost.God have mercy.

[@lithopheliax61x5]

well, modest dressing is about yourself... you don't have to go topless, but if you have ever been to an fkk place - these are so much less about sexual allure than many clothes occasions, so it really is not about that. Also, it would also be weird for you to set your Christian standards for non-Christians...

[@katiacleroux7376]

I do have a question. We don't have any Christian man in our lives. I was saved after our marriage, and I'm praying everyday that my husband will be saved as i was. He praises that our children are raised in God, but modesty is one of those discussions that is more difficult as we are in a more liberal area.

[@corisegatavu2204]

If I have followed you carefully then I understand that the scripture standards are:"Don't draw attention to your appearance with jewelry and braids. We shouldn't draw attention to our bodies either. Does this mean no nail polish? Hair dye, designer clothes or expensive eye-catching clothing? We then ask these things to the Holy Spirit. Be modest in our speech and behavior. You talked about the topic of men and women to not be crossdressers. I have a question about that. The Bible calls this an abomination and therefore a sin. It has struck me that we now live in a time where they try to blur the differences between genders. And men are now starting to wear dresses and skirts openly. Some say no, in Jesus' time men wore dresses too. This is very confusing. And we know that God is not a God of confusion. What clothes belong to men and what to women. Im asking not to the standard of the world, because the world says there is no such thing. Even in Biblical times there were garments that were only for men or women that were clearly separated, so why are Christians so sensitive and touchy about this subject? 🚻

[@f.b103]

Peoples standards and morals change over time, that is why you follow Gods standards full stop. Love your conversation on modesty, enjoyed listening to as a muslim myself. Refreshing to see others also trying to stick to Gods rules instead of trying to change it.

[@morninglynn6281]

I am so thankful that my husband wears shirts and real shorts or pants around the house. Growing up, my dad and brother were allowed to walk anywhere in the house in just underwear, but i would be immediately punished for indecent exposure in my underwear had I dared to go out of my bedroom in only that.

[@carrieperrigo2319]

This was by far the best explanation of modesty i have ever heard. Good job!

[@FostersFollowingJesus]

Your husband and you seem so strong in searching for truth. I would love to hear a podcast in regards to head coverings and after you look into it and see Paul wrote saying to all who call on the name of Christ, how he used different names for covering clearly speaking about veil, and how Roman men would cover during worship and how he was calling men to NOT cover when praying and prophesying yet woman should. Even down to the fact on why it stopped. It can seem so extreme in today’s culture but we have to remember they were being called against the culture then as we are now. But after all that if you don’t agree I really would LOVE to hear a podcast and explanation on why. ❤️

[@wendymtzc]

I believe women’s covering is their hair, I know many disagree but there’s plenty in the scriptures that support it.

[@alittleheavenonearth]

Bottom line is … would You be ready to meet Jesus in the close you wear. ?????? Simple As that.

[@Repent.Believe.obeyJesus]

The culture in some parts of Africa woman are topless and men frontless, but our culture as Christians is loose fit clothing not showing a lot of body skin , and not outlining intimate areas of our bodies

[@lilyflower5576]

There are like loose leggings or thin jogger sweats I'm an athletic and just wear those

[@lauraparker07]

Pants are modest! Mid thigh shorts are modest! Jumpsuits and rompers are modest! You do t have to ONLY wear drwsaes or skirts and have long hair to be modest! It is not the community's perspectives but an INDIVIDUAL'S decision hpw they want to dress.

[@donandjessica9782]

Appreciate this podcast!! By chance did you get your dress recently? If you have a link to where you got it it’s really pretty!

[@kellye6483]

Swimsuit is for water, coverup goes back on once out of the water. Be prudent, practical and submitted to truth.

[@wendymtzc]

But while you’re going to get your coverup you’re showing your body , in the water you’re still showing your naked body if you’re wearing a bikini or one piece, that’s why I don’t believe we as a Christian should wear these kind of swimsuits

[@catherinedesimone4015]

Love it!

[@jeremyb2120]

Great podcast btw! Well done. Bikinis, yoga pants, shirtless men? Yes, it's Ok. There's a time for every purpose under heaven. There's a time to stand out, to be the center of attention, to wear your gold ring, your fancy hair, and your most expensive dress. Your wedding! And it's modest because modesty is about positioning yourself correctly in society so as to not look like your intentionally wearing something to shock people. It's not about skin or no skin. It's about loving others and humbling self. False modesty can hide behind covering and stick out at the wrong place and hide fear and pride and self righteousness. I think modesty can blend in, and can stand out, but all at the right time, right place, and the result or fruit will be happiness and love. Prove all things. Wear less to the beach, and wear more. Blend in and then stick out. See which bears the fruit of joy and love. Love one another. It's OK to look attractive to one another. Lust happens fully clothed or not,it's evil intentions. You're not guilty for another's evil intention. To admire is often accused as lust when its the opposite. Admiringly God is good. Esteeming one another is good. Praising one another is good. Enjoy your clothing. Please your husband. If it also pleases other men, your husband is also esteemed. When praised, your honor can be given to God, and you can tell them Jesus clothed me in His righteousness and love. And that's living with joy in the Lord.

[@Carnelian21]

I ask my husband to wear swim shirts for modesty and he respects that which I appreciate.

[@paulanix7561]

Jesus always wanted to do what was/is pleasing to Our Heavenly Father. (I'm guilty!!! My jeans are too tight and I've been trying to lose weight versus buying looser pants...vanity)

[@gracewaterlilly8023]

I would like a few opinions on ripped Jeans - I can never decide if they are unmodest for me or Not (I mean long Jeans with a rip at the knee, Not the ones where almost the whole thigh is out)

[@jacobswife23]

Ive thought about this alot... in the story about the demon possessed man that Jesus set free, his clothes were described as torn. Once he was delivered and in his right mind, he was clothed again. While some ripped jeans are not necessarily immodest...i began to think, do i want to dress like a person who has lost their mind to a demon? Ripped clothes in the Bible were a symbol of insanity or grief. I dont want to portray those attributes, even tho in our culture today, its the 'in' thing. I dont allow our teen girls to wear rips either. Just my 2 cents. Blessings.❤

[@queeniebaggins3732]

I like a rip in the knee. My jeans always wear out/stretch out at the knee and a strategic rip stops that. I have sons and am always playing or sitting on the ground.

[@gracewaterlilly8023]

@@jacobswife23 thank you so much for your insight! Since you have teenage daughters I really appreciate your perspective as a mother. I am 24 and just found my way to Jesus and I am so glad to get guidance from Christian women like you. Thank you. God bless

[@jacobswife23]

@@gracewaterlilly8023 I pray for your continued growth in your walk with our Saviour. He will lead you into all truth. ❤️

[@emmib1388]

as long as the rip is at the knee or below, it would be modest. I am older so I would say while it is modest (as long as it is not form fitting) it just looks sloppy -- but I realize that is the style these days :-)

[@saraanne9127]

I love your dress!

[@K81620]

Katie sounds so nervous in her voice

[@thesmiths629]

I like to intentionally cover my body in front of anyone but my husband. Expressing the beauty of the Lord without the distraction of sexuality on display. Each person, and age, plus situation comes into play. Anything that shows glimpses up the thigh of any person beyond the infancy stage is not appropriate for my family's daily clothing. Things that are tight enough to show folds and creases of breasts, and bottoms or crotch should be seriously reconsidered. Things that are loose enough to hang open and display the body where it's meant to cover should have full covering under layers. All clothing, including swim clothing should cover the spaces where body hairs might grow past puberty. Simple beauty, and practical attire are an outward show of being different and set apart.

[@cassidy1611]

Modesty is a wonderful thing and yes I agree it can be about our clothes and how we act outwardly, but there’s another step we need to take with our clothes that’s not only modest, but what covers our nakedness. According to the bible, our nakedness is our loins and thighs. So I believe we need to wear clothes that reach our knees and not show our nakedness which the bible talks A LOT about! ♥️ Exodus 28:42 “And thou shalt make them linen breeches to cover their nakedness; from the loins even unto the thighs they shall reach:”

[@jeremyb2120]

From the loin to the thigh. Simply we must cover what's between the loin and thigh. Again, starting at the loin/waist and going to the thigh. In other words, cover your privates. Lol

[@cassidy1611]

@@jeremyb2120 that’s an odd definition of breeches and some very short pants to be walking around in just underwear…

[@cassidy1611]

@@jeremyb2120 to the thigh.. hm I wonder if God meant the top or bottom of your thighs. I wouldn’t push Gods boundaries and just be safe with saying the bottom of my thighs which is to the knee.

[@jeremyb2120]

@@cassidy1611 John 13:3 "He riseth from supper, and laid aside his garments; and took a towel, and girded himself." Jesus is our example, who fulfilled all the law. Funny I've never seen communion done like this. Lol, But what humility Jesus had, to dress like a servant in just a towel and wash their dirty feet. So different than the pomp and piety of the religious class today. I think it's safe to say the general purpose of breeches, towel, or boxers, is to cover the privates; which is nakedness. And I don't think God's against beauty or displaying His people with beauty. I think the problem is that pride can creep in. We see this in Exodus 3:22 "But every woman shall borrow of her neighbour, and of her that sojourneth in her house, jewels of silver, and jewels of gold, and raiment: and ye shall put them upon your sons, and upon your daughters; and ye shall spoil the Egyptians." God dressed His people in fine Egyptian clothing! There's plenty of Egyptian hieroglyphics and pictures of their clothing to know they had fashion and here God clothes His people with the finest Egyptian clothing (I would reason), and jewelry, silver and gold. They went from pauper to prince! But then they sinned. Ezekiel 16:17 "Thou hast also taken thy fair jewels of my gold and of my silver, which I had given thee, and madest to thyself images of men, and didst commit whoredom with them" So God says to cut off her hair, and deforces His people. Jeremiah 7:29 But in the end, He redeemed them, and us, to show us His love, and be our God.

[@kellicupstid2514]

I’ll be a slave to The One True and Living God with joy all day every day! We have no better Master than Him! We praise You Jesus Christ!

[@joshleah2723]

Love this! Where is your dress from?

[@KAStodgell]

None of my business how others dress. Certainly as a parent you can dictate that but I feel you need to try and keep it non judgmental.

[@patriciabellah9392]

I think we've taught both genders wrong. We've not taught them to have confidence in themselves and wanting to stay covered and wanting to get to know each other by talking to each other. Does that make since.

[@K81620]

North Idaho??? Are you going to Christ Church? Doug Wilson

[@lisaengel89]

I feel like I'm hypocritical,

[@jlanehardy]

I’ve made culottes that look like skirts for my daughter since she was young so she could play and not show her under shorts. Even under shorts are pretty short sometimes. She has worn them during volleyball and not cared that she’s the only one NOT wearing short biker shorts. I’m glad she’s confident in her modesty.

[@lauraparker07]

Just let her wear pants or k ee length shorts. No sense of living in 1800s

[@jlanehardy]

@@lauraparker07 she can decide that for herself when she’s older. We are Navajo and my grandmothers wore Navajo skirts ever day of their lives, my grandmother never wore pants and she passed just last year. I see it as part of our culture as well and my daughter has Navajo skirts. I don’t think ppl would go up to my grandmother and tell her “your living in the 1800s you should wear pants”

[@patriciabellah9392]

It's OK for you to think that about your husband Katie.

[@glendaakers7528]

There is modest swimwear. I have a swim dress. Works great.

[@Kristi-yf1vm]

Why do your 6 and 3 year old children even have an idea that they “shouldn’t. look” at a girl/woman? To me, they are only giving other people’s bodies a power they don’t understand.

[@glendaakers7528]

There are Snogas that girls/women can wear for all occasions.

[@spunkycat6144]

I stopped going to a church because the women there, wow. One wore the yoga pants with the elastic in the back that separates the hiney, the actual preachers daughter wore bikers shorts with a bra top and that is IT. So, essentially she was wearing a bra and bikers shorts. Yep. She did have a jean jacket but it was short and open in the front. This one, made me not go back though. There was a woman in her 40's with a daughter in high school and the woman had jeans on that were holy. As in they had holes in various place and one of the holes was so high up in the back that you could see her leg and her actual hiney. YEP. In church. I know she was trying to look young to impress a new guy there. This is Austin Vineyard and the preachers daughter is allowed to get up and do sermons every now and then because her parents lover her so much. The sermons aren't too bad, but she isn't a pastor. She needs a KZbin channel not a church microphone. But after the actual rear end showing, I knew I was not in a place where modest dressing is honored. I only dress modestly and people will ask why I dress like that as if it is odd. I now happily am in a church where the women and men honor modest dressing instead of questioning it. When women dress in super revealing clothes and worship (and by this mean legit shake their hiney with guys right behind them during the rock music that is considered worship, then I know that is just a person having a good time and not humble worship.

[@spunkycat6144]

I have seen women hug married men and hold it longer and hen look right at the wife in a strange way like she was showing her, look what your man is letting me do. There was zero doubt she was trying to tear them apart. You could feel it.

[@hereb4youtube523]

Where are your children while making these videos? Asking as a mom of 3 young children

[@alyssaamundson4265]

I've heard them mention before having a babysitter for 2-3 hours which is when we they record the podcast and their KZbin video for the week

[@samanthahammondsrealtor]

I really enjoy your podcast- but I worry maybe you didn’t want to say specifics because you didn’t want to offend anyone.. but I think we can say we do have OBJECTIVE standards biblically. 2 pieces= basically underwear, Anything that’s showing boobs ands butts, and any clothes that are tight enough to basically show the parts of the body and not leave much room for imagination.. all these things we can objectively say are not modest regardless of gender I’m not anti leggings/yoga pants for working out or hiking or outdoor work etc… but I am anti yoga pants that really “highlight” the assets… you actually can find pants that do not hug and squeeze all the assets