22-Year-Old Sparks Controversy After Having Her Tubes Tied So Young

[@carolfigueirars]

She is not hurting anyone. it's not a problem for me.

[@pjnkblue]

Damn right

[@michaelmontano4280]

@Animu That's a different story, those people should've gotten counseling when they were little.

[@dlo7950]

Who asked you?

[@GirthCheck]

@Animu its news because of how it made her feel. Not the fact that she was doing it lol

[@BH-ix7nq]

What a controversial opinion😱

[@ericahatlestad7611]

Theres plenty of Women who want kids, so who cares if she did it so young. Her body her choice

[@Dave_of_Mordor]

Her body is public body

[@thejoke2791]

But it's not the Catholic thing to do.😏

[@geemorales3555]

@@Dave_of_Mordor You should go hiking if you're bored.

[@Dave_of_Mordor]

@@geemorales3555 i can't there's a pandemic outside

[@thejoke2791]

@@Dave_of_Mordor 😆

[@florgarcia101]

I could care less, she’s not doing anything illegal, not hurting others or animals, I want to have kids and she doesn’t. That’s fine we’re over populated anyways 🤷🏻‍♀️.

[@salotesua9480]

Religious folk care

[@Taewills]

This has been a problem for a long time. I had 2 kids by 22 & I wanted mine tied. They told me I was too young as well. Doctor’s shouldn’t be making these choices for others.

[@mikiprimus]

Why do you want to have kids even though you know we are overpopulated?

[@mercyz2734]

exactly, and if she wants to have kids later on she can either do surrogate or adopt like wtf people really think they are entitled to people's lives

[@zuk207]

Could not*

[@JenniferIX]

I will never under why this is controversial a women can do what ever they want with their own body.

[@alexandrahenderson4368]

Exactly

[@_Maxten]

Yeah and if you say “well what if she changes her mind later” thats her fault, let her deal with that. You still cant dictate people’s lives

[@antidave]

@@Chumbucketsecret why😍you🤚🏼always🤡cry👁on😔social❤️media🧚🏿 ✨𝓼𝓱𝓾𝓽 𝓽𝓱𝓮 𝓯𝓾𝓬𝓴 𝓾𝓹✨🧚🏿DAMN

[@echung168]

I agree, let her do what she wants to her own body. But I can understand why it's controversial. It's just the way society used to be. We're still getting out of that thinking. Things like this take time. We can't expect global change overnight, well we can but it's extremely difficult for overnight change.

[@zegsi364]

The controversy is that human brains fully develop at 25 years old... Making a big decision like this before that age will most likely be a regret for their later years.

[@MadDisaster]

Why do people have to be so pressed about this? Let women choose for themselves.

[@GojosBackHand]

We but some how everyone will be blame for not stopping her. Well at least her family and friends that is.

[@Kewpiefairy]

@@GojosBackHand who cares? she’s obviously the one to “blame” for her own actions? anyone who thinks it was anyone else’s fault is dense

[@raymonds7492]

It's not a woman thing it's a very young person making a life altering decision thing.

[@laurenhawes7201]

The only person it really affects is her and/or her partner. Just let her do it and if she regrets it later then thats life. Everyone makes choices, let them live their own lives.

[@raymonds7492]

@@laurenhawes7201 WE are just assholes commenting, we can't make her do or not do anything.

[@Anna133199]

She could make the life changing decision to get kids at 22, so why should she not be allowed to make the life changing decision to never have them? It's her body, her choice.

[@salotesua9480]

Religious folk

[@chago2259]

beautifully said

[@drawliadraw]

Well said!

[@thomasalias8492]

Damn. Do people like overpopulation THAT much? This is the stupidest thing to get mad about.

[@uncleiroh4650]

This isn’t a controversy. I don’t understand why people in the comments are going crazy. The overwhelming majority agree

[@echung168]

Yeah, many of the comments thus far say the same. And I agree. Her body, her choice. Let her do what she wants. But I also understand why the Argentinian population has their point-of-view. And those doctors were fucked up to impose personal opinion and unprofessional as well. Though we are imposing American viewpoints on their way of thinking. The doctors should have definitely taken a more professional stance though.

[@AX-zj3xm]

It was a controversy in Argentina and parts of South America... many people, especially conservative people and older people heavily disagreed with what the woman did

[@thejoke2791]

@@AX-zj3xm Religion has slowed down human progress so many times.

[@CatnipWillow]

Women shouldn't have to jump through hoops to make that decision and have a procedure done.

[@GirthCheck]

@@CatnipWillow yea it sucks cause where i live unless youve had 2 kids you cant have your tubes tied. Except if your over a certain age well into your 20's

[@NightcoreKylie]

I'm 23 and I'm never having kids. It's a choice not my identity and no I won't change my mind.

[@suidhaaga2221]

I'm 22 and i told my mom i don't want to have kids ,she told me i'm dead to her and didn't speak to me for weeks.

[@Vincisomething]

@@suidhaaga2221 there are parents that see their kids as an extension of themselves they think they can control and not as individuals. It's a shame they have that unhealthy mindset.

[@Dave_of_Mordor]

You're only 23

[@Dave_of_Mordor]

@@suidhaaga2221 you're dead to me too

[@incorrectformat]

Ironically, your identity now is the "never having kids lady".

[@MewDenise]

My best friend has told me since high school - she will never have kids. She is now 26 and still feel the same

[@Dave_of_Mordor]

Will it be the same in 4 years?

[@MewDenise]

@@Dave_of_Mordor She hates kids. She told me if she ever changes - she will adopt. She wants no changes to her body

[@Dave_of_Mordor]

@@MewDenise alright...

[@incorrectformat]

Same goes for my sister. She is terrified of childbirth. Its been ingrained by our parents and our teachers that giving birth will ruin your life, to prevent teenage pregnancy. Shes now 37 yrs old and still doesnt want kids.

[@mochalatae7186]

Same

[@AmazingAutist]

My doctors never accepted to have me get a partial hysterectomy because I don't ever want biological kids and my endometriosis leaves me in debilitating pain every. Single. Month. She said I'd change my mind. *I haven't.* And I'm still in pain. I agree with her except for the urge to have kids being completely cultural. It is natural to want children for some people. A lot of people have cravings to raise a child it, whether they are a man or a woman.

[@justanotherpotato5523]

Jeez that doctor is terrible

[@Briapoison]

My sister in law had the same exact issue, she had to have multiple doctors appts from multiple doctors to finally convince and confirm the procedure, but she had already had a child (knew she wanted one for awhile). Hope the situation gets easier as well as your health. :(

[@elizaboyanton2081]

Dude same! I’m planning on trying to do the same because 1- I don’t want kids, and adoption is a thing, 2- my PCOS leaves me in terrible pain all the time + makes it dangerous for me to have kids in the first place. My grandmother almost died from her pregnancies and had all of her reproductive organs removed before she was 40 due to it - and it is looking like my condition will take me down the same path if I ever get pregnant

[@NoName-yc4ts]

@@elizaboyanton2081 adoption is wonderful but as someone that tried to adopt it is EXTREMELY expensive! Almost 100 grand in my state ...that shouldn’t be the fall back plan and I think a lot of people think it is not realizing it’s not realistic... I WISH it was!!

[@theshriekinghominin1760]

You need to go to a different doctor.

[@ashleighoconnor2810]

My sister had 3 kids and was diagnosed with lupus and told by the doctors if she has another baby she is at high risk of problems and even death. Even tho they said that they would not tie her tubes because she was under 35....literally wtf. This is in Australia.

[@Gr95dc]

that's fucked up :(

[@annikboyer3395]

In high school, I knew someone who didn't want to have children. There are people who are like that. They know what they want. Not everybody is born loving children.

[@ISeeNthng]

As long as they aren’t hurting anyone people should be allowed to do anything to their body.

[@ariannasilva4462]

It's depressing as a woman how EASY it is for men to get snipped but if i'm in horrible pain from endometriosis and don't want kids it's still my husbands point. And if I don't have a husband I have no voice! It's my body! I have to carry this child for 9 months. I have to have my body ruined in some way shape or form. I have no problem with my reproductive system, I may want kids, and want to be in a relationship. But if someone signs off in having this happen then let them do it. The doctor is not responsible for if you want children later in life! If it's not your body YOU HAVE NO SAY! Letting woman get their tubes tied won't horribly drop the population. And if she still wants kids later in life there's adoption and surrogacy.

[@dancearoundtheworld5360]

doctors are wack

[@GirthCheck]

I mean i 100% agree but doing a surgery for no medical reason is dangerous allot of times. Its kinda a doctors job to advise against something that could be harmful

[@Longsotoad]

@@GirthCheck Men can get a vasectomy willy nilly with no repercussions but I had to go to 3 different doctors to get my tubes tied because they all wanted my husband's approval in case HE wanted kids. Theres no danger. Only misogyny.

[@goosenuggets9693]

"While any man older than 18 can legally get a vasectomy, doctors can turn men down if they don't believe them to be mature or sure enough of their future plans." The doctor does not have a say in what you're comfortable doing to your body, but he or she does have a say in what they're comfortable doing to your body. Not to mention that Tubal Ligation is far complicated and therefore dangerous than getting a vasectomy (which is a rather simple procedure).

[@GirthCheck]

@@Longsotoad Its weird its called misogyny when doctors believe a womans reproduction is more important than a mans.

[@carolfigueirars]

Seriously no one besides Tiff knows Blue Lagoon? That movie was airing like at least once a month in the 90's here in Brazil.

[@jihyosspicytoenail9921]

I remember watching it here in the U.S. when I was younger, I just forgot the title and the fact that they were cousins

[@carolfigueirars]

We even had a joke when people asked what movie we had for the day we said Blue Lagoon. Everyone saw like 10 times at least.

Same in Chile 😂

[@VolfKami]

I was thinking the same thing

[@michacuylits7254]

Lmao true

[@deadsoon]

There's 7 billion people in this world already, most of those starving or living horrendous lives, why they acting up 😐

[@A-Dubs398]

We're actually almost at 8 billion now which is insane. Back in 60s, there was only like 3 bullion. It's crazy how much our population has ballooned within just the last 60 years.

[@deadsoon]

@@A-Dubs398 Geez

[@joshjonson2368]

Blame communist china, the British empire for introducing medicine to india and all those colonial empires for civilizing the tribes of the dark continent. Also most of these 'overpopulation, is ensuring you get first world living standards so with them gone you'd be living in a victorian shithole instead lol.

[@RubyRim]

They call me crazy for saying I don't want to get married

[@thejoke2791]

You're crazy

[@three3lll]

you aren’t

[@Gr95dc]

people love to shit on others decisions even if it doesn't affect them or others at all. You do you, live your life the way you want

[@RubyRim]

@@thejoke2791 i should care about your opinion because?

[@RubyRim]

@@three3lll honestly, I have my reasons. Thank you for not judging me.

[@incredableme63]

It's her choice no one else's, there are plenty of women who do want kids and on the other side, there are men who don't as well.

[@ezra_west]

If you don't want a kid don't have one. Don't let family or society pressure you into having a kid. Like raising a kid you never wanted or growing up knowing your parent never wanted you is a recipe for disaster and will br traumatic for everyone involved.

[@allllllison]

Damn, this has been me since I was 15. I’m 23 now and I still feel the same way. I’ve wanted to get my tubes tied but I’ve heard many stories of doctors refusing to do the operating on girls in their 20’s bc they think they are too young to make the decision.

[@taoist32]

23 is young, but it’s still your choice.

[@wendydarling8192]

I’m 23 too and have never wanted children

[@allllllison]

@Dejuh Vuh thanks for the info! And yeah I agree

[@moslimislam5714]

Are you afraid to have a child accidentally if they aren't tied?

[@59fiftycap]

@@wendydarling8192 “...plus, i’m unfit to be a parent anyways...” sorry, you didn’t finish your sentence!

[@kiml1226]

It's her body leave her alone, when I get old enough, I want my whole uterus removed, and given to somebody who actually wants to have kids. 🙃

[@thejoke2791]

Hook me up. I'll have it.

[@three3lll]

that’s beautiful

[@yams.4308]

I didn’t know there were surgeries for that!

[@kiml1226]

@@yams.4308 yep, it's called a vaginal hysterectomy!

[@yams.4308]

@@kiml1226 Wow, that’s pretty cool. Thanks for the info

[@Unseenbird74]

She can do what she wants her tubes

[@JustSage-b2y]

Cool how doctors were like "Nah she MUST be crazy cause why would she. She must have had something traumatic happen to her that caused this" you know?

[@jelorer]

more children used to mean more homies to work on ur farm back in the day.

[@dancearoundtheworld5360]

random but cool

[@MindWaveShort]

Her body, her choice. None of our business

[@salotesua9480]

Religious folk

[@kassychavera]

I’m 26 & I knew at 14 I never wanted to have kids. I don’t have that “motherly” feeling in me & I just don’t like kids. Lol. My boyfriend feels the exact same as me as to not wanting kids. We want to be able to travel & live our best life, with our fur babies lol

[@soufianb7912]

Bruhhh people change their whole gender and stuff and this is shocking people???? changing your gender thats weirddd asf

[@darkylinky288]

In many states it's easier to get transition hormones than it is to get an abortion. To get an abortion, they make you wait, go to "counseling", make you look at pictures of the embryo, etc. There's still a lot of backwards in the states.

[@lamma746]

@@darkylinky288 You have to do the same thing in most states for gender transition. In some countries, you can't even get it. Both are very difficult, but getting an abortion in most states and in some (more than gender transition) countries is easier. Either way, it's someone's right and no one else's business. So its messed up

[@lilmrscutsie4524]

oh please. the outrage is only because of her young age and philosophy. my family is super christian but tube tying is seen as normal

[@lawwhi4204]

I had mine tied at 20 Never regretted it I was young, got foolishly married, had a child and then divorced Knew how hard it would be as a mother with no help from father and didn't want to add to the problems with another child Ended up married for 25 years to a wonderful man RIP who was wonderful to my child

[@jvang067]

My sister and brother-in-law didn't want kids and still feel the same. She has repeated time and time again when she was in her early 20's. They're middle age now and she enjoys my nieces, nephews, and my kids.

[@justme1553]

Whats so odd. My friend tied her tubes when she was 20 in the 70's. She knew she didn't want kids and doesn't regret getting her tubes tied.

[@andrejrozmaring]

Thank God Bart was there as the middle ground. Joe was too caveman and Steve was too modern/media. Bart was the "science hat" boi hahaha love him

[@joncn005]

Alex Jones once said, "It's all about the water. It turns frogs gay."

[@innerstand.]

It’s her tubes

[@David-we3py]

There's too many damn humans in the world right now anyways. We have an overpopulation problem. If there's a few people who don't want kids who cares. Everyone just needs to mind their own business lol.

[@CoiledDracca]

This. This is the truth. I've never wanted to have kids, I never will. People used to say when I was a teenager "Oh, you'll change your mind when you're older." Nope. Having kids would ruin my life. I want to live this the way I want to live it. And people who have babies, please think once, twice and three times before ever having more than two. We're already seeing the effects of over population. Have you noticed how the prices of things have dramatically spiked even just in the last 10-15 years?

[@CozyHugsCrochet]

I personally don't ever want to have kids , so I agree with her fully

[@Pumpkin0_0]

I don't get why certain people insist for others to have children when they're not even the ones who are going to raise that child into adulthood, it's the other person. If that person doesn't want all that responsibility, then whoever is running their mouths should have one themselves if they think it's that simple. Seriously...

[@thejoke2791]

Maybe they can't, and they're just projecting

[@jcsynn4552]

I requested a vasectomy while in the Navy multiple times in 3 different duty stations. I was rejected every time and once was referred to mental health because I was young with no children and didn't want them.

[@isuchyquaich8518]

If you look on reddit there's this story about vasectomies and then getting blood clots n pains...is that why? Was the vasectomy operation prefected back rlthen? No hard feelings 😯🤯 Just wondering about contributing factors from back then

[@jcsynn4552]

@@isuchyquaich8518 the only reason I was ever given was I was to young and didn't already have children.

[@Loveisall909]

I feel the same way about kids. I’m 27 and never had the urge to have them, pretty sure my minds not gonna change. Honestly tho who cares, out worlds already overpopulated as is.

[@uwillnevernoewhoiam]

If she wants to tie her tube go ahead, but her view that nurturing and raising babies is a cultural construct instead of innate instinct is wrong. Just look at the cases of surrogate mothers who during the pregnancy suddenly decide that they want to keep the baby. If giving up a baby was so easy why do these surrogate moms want to keep a baby that isn't even genetically related to them? Her argument makes no sense in this situation. It is instinctual for us to want, raise, and rear kids, but it's up to us to follow those instincts

[@salotesua9480]

She's young and dumb. That's why she thinks that

[@McrimsonnyxM]

Steve roasting Tiff 😂😂

[@honeybabie8484]

They do that here too if u want to tie ur tubes at a young age. Most will refuse and send u to a therapist

[@echung168]

Where is here? The US? I get that most people are competent to make permanent life-altering decisions as a minor. But I also understand that some cannot. It makes sense for them to send so and so to a therapist to get confirmation that they want to get work done. It's probably just an extra precaution so the doctor doesn't have to shoulder so much unnecessary and excess responsibility. If another professional says "yes, this person does, in fact, want work done" the doctor then should have no complaint or refer them to another doctor who is more willing to do the work. At least that's how I look at the bigger picture. My overall opinion on the article though, HER BODY HER CHOICE. She's not a minor, she's in her 20s. She can make choices. She's most likely working and spending her own money. Let her be and spend her money how she wants.

[@honeybabie8484]

@@echung168 yes Here as in the US. I was not making judgements on this. agree that they should be sent to a therapist and be able to explain why they want it and how it could effect them. I also agree her body her choice but I also think each doctor has a right to decline wether they perform a procedure based on their religious views. So it’s good she found someone who had no problem doing it.

[@barbaraerlinger217]

I never want to be pregnant. I'm gonna tie mine, too! You go girl!

[@jiujitsu578]

Bro I’m a conservative Republican and my opinion is she can do whatever she wants with whatever she wants as long as it doesn’t effect anyone else. No kids? Cool. Do you boo boo.

[@GloomyMarshmallow]

We shouldn't care what she does because she is an adult and can do whatever she wants for whatever reasons, unless it's illegal or hurting someone or an animal. I just hope she doesn't regret it later when she suddenly changes her mind, which can happen. I know it's reversable but like Tiff said there might be more complications so it might be better to really think it through. But if she has her mind set on it, why not?

[@wendydarling8192]

Told my mom when I was younger that I never wanted children and I still feel the same way. I’m 23 now. Honestly I love to drink, stay up late, sleep in when I can, and get my business done. Some people are meant to be parents others are not. Never thought about getting my tubes tied though.

[@59fiftycap]

good choice. you’d be unfit to be a parent anyways.

[@wendydarling8192]

@@59fiftycap Exactly, that’s why people should be truthful with themselves. Being a parent is a sacrifice some people want that others don’t.

[@Lululand_18]

Doctors in the US ask you if you are married and ask if your spouse is okay with it.

[@x_nekomew_x]

Mine didn't.

[@salotesua9480]

@@x_nekomew_x Yours was behind on rent

[@x_nekomew_x]

@@salotesua9480 nope. I actually spent over 3 hours visiting with him. And in the end he agreed this surgery would be greatly beneficial to my life. So he agreed. Not all doctors are bad.

[@salotesua9480]

@@x_nekomew_x Was just kidding, obviously. 😁

[@naniebunnie]

I’m surprised she didn’t sue the doctor who refused her bro, like imagine you got money AND no kids💸💸💸💸

[@salotesua9480]

Like any other business, you can refuse to serve a customer

[@Longsotoad]

Refusal is crazy common. A lot of places want your husband present to sign off.

[@salotesua9480]

@@Longsotoad A marriage is a unit. 1 complete unit.

[@naniebunnie]

In the video it’s literally a right smh

[@BusyLizzy03]

@@salotesua9480 that doesn’t matter. If a marriage is “a complete unit” why can a lot of husbands get vasectomies without their wife knowing or having to sign off for them, but a wife can’t get her tubes tied without her husbands approval?

[@lilyLovesStories]

Blue Lagoon: they were cousins As for the Argentina girl, if she doesn't want to have kids then that's her choice. Just cause ur a woman, doesn't mean U have to have kids. My aunt, at 18 years old had her tubes burnt to never have kids. She's in her 60's now & never regretted her decision. She always said she wasn't mother material.

[@Djme2]

Tubal Ligation, being a surgical procedure, has inherent complications associated with it. As well, statistically, many women who undergo this procedure experience regret for doing so. Given that the patient in this case is very young, having the procedure early provides plenty of time afterwards for her to change her mind and experience that regret. Luckily, the procedure is reversible, however, seeing as the reversal procedure is surgical as well, it will have a new selection of complications. This is essentially creating the potential for complications 200% more than if she did not have the procedure. I don't know the exact statistics for her age group, but I imagine patients who have tubal ligation in the younger age range experience regret more often than the older age groups. This is why the doctors may respond with initial resistance to younger patients for this procedure whereas for a 40 year old patient, they would not. The ultimate correct decision to make if she remains adamant about not wanting kids is of course, to have the tubal ligation done. However, this isn't until after going through the initial resistance that doctors may be comfortable. A lot of medicine is all about minimizing risk. Rule #1: Do no harm. TLDR; its a process

[@fabulosa002]

yes, exactly. the problem is that "reversible" is questionable. traumatizing your fallopian tubes via surgery will leave scars and make it way more difficult if not impossible to get pregnant

[@honeybabie8484]

Blue lagoon is such a great movie

[@KarinaAlvarado011313]

My aunts doctor did not want to tie her tubes for her cuz she was “too young” having her third child and he wanted her husband to have say can u believe that?

[@jnuy764]

Here's my opinion A: if you don't want kids, you shouldn't have them. B: why should anyone else care, especially if we aren't dating her? C: hypothetically if she changed her mind, it's reversible with adoption being an option.

[@thejoke2791]

Because religion

[@jnuy764]

@@thejoke2791 seems like it's not her religion 🤣

[@thejoke2791]

@@jnuy764 Problem is, it's everyone else's

[@peace7luv]

I remember reading an article about an Australian women with the same situation except she HAD KIDS. She had 3 kids and didn't want anymore. The doctor told her the same "You might change your mind". 🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️*sigh

[@Suri0723]

I don't understand why there are some humans out there who get butt hurt by other people's business.... Mindblowing...

[@thejoke2791]

Religious beliefs

[@Miss_Kisa94]

"Fun fact" it's the same way in America 😑 it's hard as hell to get your tubes tied if you're a young woman.

[@ninkai300]

First of all, she has the right to tie her tubes 100%, but given how many 20-year-olds regret just sending the wrong text I think people have a right to be critical of her decision, and btw tying your tubes is only reversible 50-80% of the times

[@gabbychavez1001]

Doctors putting their personal preference over women's choices happens in America also. If you do not have a ring then some doctors will refuse to give you birth control.

[@godbearxd]

It's weird that if she wanted to have kids everyone would be ok with it but because she doesn't want to have kids she's not old enough.

[@zegsi364]

1:40 Why is Tiff so adorable the way she says that? My God shes cute...

[@HK47_115]

I remember watching The Blue Lagoon with my aunt. They're not biologically related in any way Tiff. The boys if my memory is correct was just adopted by the mother and being raised as her own. But you know we from a fashion was he biologically related to the girl. Even I thought that they're in the movie I kept saying what the fuck the whole time and my aunt kept confirming for me no no no no, they're not related that would be fucked up if they were making this movie if they were supposed to be related. But then again, Flowers in the Attic is a thing But yeah, the boy wasn't the lady set herself over and we biologically connected. She pretty much as adopted him from like I think I'll friend or somebody. I do remember the full case the story but I remember being told you or not brother sister or biologically related at all because thatwas the first thing that I kept making up about that movie

[@904girl]

You're talking about The Blue Lagoon 2. In the original one they were cousins and were the boy who you are referring to biological parents.

[@gingerraven1]

I dont like the lil toxic masculinity i am hearing. We should allow kids to play with every toy not “gender based”

[@chrisbaltazar7164]

3:25 don’t forget gardening 😂

[@Kiplitz]

having a baby is definitely instinctual this is why animals go hundreds of miles looking for a mate. The whole reason animals don't go extinct is because there is an instinct to procreate it is the whole point of life., Extending your bloodline. Humans are animals too. Other than that, she can do whatever the fuck she wants.

[@thejoke2791]

Yup And it's from a conservative state is why it's an issue.

[@Rainiers]

These kinda stories give me real Handmaiden's Tale vibes tbh

[@Enchant314]

uh I definitely would say that I have a natural instinct to be a mom. Like if someone doesn’t want kids, I wouldn’t even date them. But this girl made such a good decision when it came to tying her tubes. It’s so much better than aborting the baby or not wanting to raise it but keeping it

[@torrikempton9077]

If you are old enough to decide that you want kids then you are old enough to decided that you don't want children

[@orochi52]

Also yeah society plays a big role determining medical stuff, I couldn't get a transvaginal exam because they asked if I was a virgin and I said yeah. Even though my doctor said that didn't matter.

[@thejoke2791]

Especially a religious one

[@childish1414]

I don’t necessarily think doctors were dismissing her. Before surgery most doctors recommend alternative solutions. If your knee hurts they recommend medicine and therapy before surgery

[@thisstuffisminenotyours]

Well, where I'm from it seems to be the other way around because hospitals get more money for operations

[@Pauavi]

There is some kind of stigma around women not wanting to have children or become mothers, even in so-called "first-world countries." The way the doctors recommended she see a psychologist instead insinuates they think she is mentally ill because she doesn't want to have children makes no sense and is just rude especially when the hospital and the surgeons make money off surgeries. If she was in her 30s or older, they likely would have done the procedure without question or they would ask her if she already has children or not; some countries/states require you to be a certain age or to already have kids to make that decision

[@ANDYVIVIAN]

If I was that girl and I saw that there’s a right to do that, I would’ve printed the papers that says that and threw them in their face

[@salotesua9480]

The religious don't care about that

[@bloodredmoon]

i have a relative that never wanted to have kids. but got pregnant by accident. she had a hard pregnancy and bad depressions after. do she went and wanted that procedure but was not allowed since she was" too young and might want more in the future". she was 28 at that time

[@antidave]

Let her be

[@GiveMeABreak666]

I mean if teenagers are allowed to have children, she's allowed to tie her tubes at 22.

[@thejoke2791]

Religious state

[@VictorSchofield]

I don't blame her. Having kids are tough...

[@_kevin_wong_]

bruh it's her choice, if she regrets it later on then that's her problem, if she doesn't regret it then that's awesome too

[@jacquelinepayne4737]

Tiff, this movie was during the Victorian era. And Emmeline and Richard Lestrange are cousins. After Paddy dies, (two &a half years later) they forge their way. During the Victorian period it was common (not frowned upon) for cousins to marry each other. They were eventually found by their grandfather. The books were written in 1908 and 1925. There are two movies as well.

[@MrRic007]

😂😂 their commentating was hilarious

[@lolamarie875]

I love how they are talking about how it’s a big deal in Argentina but it’s just as common for doctors to deny tubal ligation to women under 35 or to those who don’t already have kids, or are unmarried. Some doctors go as far to ask “what if your husband wants more children?” Or “I need your husbands permission to perform it”

[@thejoke2791]

Marriage is unit. 1 complete unit

[@lolamarie875]

@@thejoke2791 I don’t disagree but I just meant that it’s a woman’s body and you don’t know what has been talked about behind closed doors

[@rollindeep9489]

It’s hard to find a doctor willing to tie your tubes at that age. My ob lied to my face and told me I wasn’t allowed to get my tubes tied until I was 30. Which of course is not true cause there is no age limit to getting your tubes tied, it’s just the doctors personal opinion coming into play.

[@ChibiChick25]

I legit thought for the longest time that the only way a woman could have her tubes tied was right after child birth because that was the only instance I ever heard of women getting their tubes tied. And then a few years ago after reading or watching something, I realized that getting your tubes tied is just like any elective surgery and there is no legit prerequisite to get it done. Its just doctors being trifling af and not letting women live their lives.

[@agarrandoviaje5425]

Who wants a baby anyways, all they do is cry and dont pay rent.

[@thejoke2791]

Facts

[@estatic_elaine727]

Blue lagoon was shot in Fiji The movie is the most watched movie here in Fiji We grew up watching it It was great n all seeing a Hollywood film shot at home but it wasn't t till we grew up when we figured out it wasn't really something for kids😂

[@michellelopez1075]

It's common in the U.S., too. I know it's probably worse in other countries, but it is not uncommon for doctors here to refuse if the patient doesn't already have kids.

[@Mikagow]

Even if she winded up changing her mind, and it happens that she cant have kids anymore, ADOPT. there are too many kids neglected in the system. I dont want to have my own children either, but I do want to adopt

[@warroir422]

Instead of interrupting Tiff this entire episode they clowned on her example instead.

[@KasheYan15]

Gotta love it

[@ashmitchell9276]

Leave this woman alone. Kids are a huge life changing event and not everyone wants that.

[@tamarasmith9060]

In Blue Lagoon, they weren't actually related. 1 couple had a child & someone else on the boat had a child too. Then something happens so that the boat has to be evacuated (it's been too long, I don't remember why). The extra child gets put on the same lifeboat with the couple & their baby. After they are stranded on the island, they start raising both together, while still constantly hoping for rescue. They do have a few books & other amenities (a chest of belongings washes up on the island too) & both kids are taught to read, basic math, etc & the mom does talk to the girl a tiny bit about becoming a mom one day, but she doesn't get told what sex is or that that can lead to pregnancy. She doesn't even get told about how breastfeeding is how to feed a newborn.... Over the years, one parent dies, then the other dies. By then the kids are young teens & have learned to be self sufficient & carry on the way to signal a ship if they see one, but it doesn't happen until after they have a kid themselves. Then all the events go wrong that lead to Blue Lagoon 2....

[@PC-km6sd]

Joe and Steve clowning on poor Tiff about the blue lagoon reference lmao 😂

[@KainoaSuan]

yeah good for her, i plan to not have children too and adopt instead. :)

[@SkittleXero]

Florida is trying to pass a bill that when a guy turns 50 he has to get a vasectomy.

[@geemorales3555]

Bruh, it's her life. How is this controversy??? Lol. People need to mind their own buisness.

[@Gyuuutiki]

Indeed specially men

[@Ammmmmyyyy]

I never wanted kids until I met my husband Also, I think when you get procedures done they get you to see a councillor to make sure you are sure and in the right state of mind

[@x_nekomew_x]

Good for you. I suppose.

[@JustSage-b2y]

I love how it's a whole country and she said "Talk of the town"

[@wanglee21]

Its because some counties or even professions still have troubles with people having options that are different than the norm.

[@thejoke2791]

Religious state

[@iamhimman]

It's common sense to let her do what she wants but this whole bioligical and instinct arguement is dumb we are and always have been trying to populate but it's common sense in today's age to let ppl do what they want and let them deal with what ever "what if" you dont need to argue natural instinct and biology to justify wether we should or shouldn't

[@Sophie98]

Similar thing happened to my friends mom. She had breast cancer which she beat, but the medication she was taking afterwards had side affects that could develop into ovarian cancer, so she decided to just have her ovaries removed so she wouldn’t have to worry about that. But her doctor was giving her all this crap about “what if you want to have kids in the future?!” Even though she already had two kids in their 20s and she was going through menopause. Some doctors are just really weird about that stuff.

[@Pheeebz707]

it hurts my heart to hear them dragging blue lagoon because i fkn love that movie hahaha

[@salotesua9480]

They're dragging tiff.

[@strivingtoonedaybeuseful6049]

If I had the money I would do it also. I'm 22, I had a kid, nearly died in childbirth and was hospitalised during the pregnancy and am seriously traumatised. I would rather die then get pregnant again.

[@balenciimusic]

Bruh I was thinking the same thing when she brought up Blue Lagoon, like wtf that’s a movie how are you gonna use that for your argument or as your source lol. I don’t doubt that there’s cases where girls don’t know what getting pregnant is but you have to be sheltered from the rest of the world pretty bad. I’m pretty sure everyone’s seen pregnant women since they were little kids. Also Blue Lagoon is a good movie I saw it as a kid.

[@meganb6609]

I(4) had a play school kitchen as a kid, and when my male cousin(6), whose father was a chef, saw it for the first time he asked my mom why I had a boys toy. My mom was so confused lol she thought he was talking about the dump trunk toy at first

[@kazzuo32]

Not only in Argentina I try to do to Same at 32 in FL and PR and no doctor wanted to do it, and the ones that agree the amount they wanted to charge was ridiculous.