224 Valkyrie - 69/77/90gr Match Kings with CFE223

The search for accuracy with 224 Valkyrie continues. In this video I test Hodgdon CFE 223 with the 69gr, 77gr, and 90gr Sierra Match King.
UPDATED 09/27/2018 - All links have been removed to comply with KZbin content policies.
www.patreon.com/reloading

[@Thorsaxe777]

Johnny, I for one am glad that you are focusing on the future. We on KZbin (At least for me) believe you have the best reloading channel around, real top shelf stuff. I too have reserved a channel under 'Thorsaxe' over on full 30. I also believe that KZbin isn't thinking things out, Many viewers out there just watch Gun channels and that is all they watch. We will see in the future what happens. I will continue to support your efforts and cause for the science of your projects on Patreon as a monthly contributor. I feel that everyone should who watches you should. (That's Just me) Good shoot'en to ya. Dave.

[@BoltActionReloading]

Glad to see a new video. These new rules have been a huge distraction for people releasing content consistently.

[@jaredsmith4944]

I heard full 30 is opening to everyone soon. You need to go ahead and apply for a spot. Love your content.

[@ralphcooper6985]

This is true but they can't handle everybody yet but they are working on it.

[@paulparadis66]

Full30 is a clunky, outdated mess. Plus don't put money in the pockets of liars like Tim.

[@biggerbehindthetrigger2814]

I love your videos. It's like how I had to load for my dad in the 80's and 90's. His loads had to have a 1/2 inch group at 100 yards or I wasn't doing it right for him. He did his own loading in the 60's and 70's. He loved his .30 calibers. He rebuilt his M40 the same as he used in the service. He never liked the AR platform he had to have his M14. That's the rifle that he used when things were bad. It took me weeks to build a round up for him. When I turned hm on to the Weatherby mark v rifles he went nuts and spent $3500 setting it up on 30-378. He still shot he M40 but the Weatherby turned into his go to rifle. I had to build rounds for him for 100 to 1000 yards. I still have all his log books from 66 until he passed away in 2004. I'm sure he would have wanted to meet you to talk ballistics and compare load data. Once a month his buddies would get together and go to the Whittington center to shoot. It was jaw dropping to hear thier stories. They had a very odd sense of humor. Anyway watching your videos brings back a lot of good memories for me. I still can't shoot as well as my dad but I am always trying. I wish I still lived in Denver so going to the Whittington center was closer. I wish I was in a better position to be able to donate to your patreon account. When my wood shop takes off I will donate. Then I can get back to the place I was at with all the nice Firearms. Now I only have 6 of them and 3 are investments so I don't shoot them. Happy shooting.

[@tlang1565]

First and foremost: Thank you for just simply putting up normal content, very much appreciated, its almost relaxing amidst the madness. (I did like the video explaining the issues) I think dailymotion overall looks very clean and seems super easy to use. The color was a bit funky though. It had all the options i normally use and just over all seemed very clean. Cant thank you enough for all your hard work.

[@Wmbhill]

Everyone watching this needs to head over to Patreon and support JRB. I’m sure his excellent videos have kept countless people from blowing their faces off. And no, JRB did not ask me to write this. I simply want the videos to continue. Thanks

[@jonathanedwards2983]

I enjoy your videos. I hope KZbin wakes up and realizes that people with guns as a hobby are potentially some of their best earners. I hope their decisions hit them in the pocket hard enough to make them reconsider.

[@MorrisCA3]

Daily motion review -Clear Sharp image "better than KZbin" Excellent Depth of Field, No Video lag or stutter, Good Audio. Video loaded very fast, Faster than KZbin "used link provided". Color Balance was a little Yellow for my taste at the Bench,, at the range you nailed the color balance "still using incandescent bulbs or wrong color balance setting on camera" Overall impression Very Good. I didn't log on to the site so some of the features were not turned on. Hopefully you have found a home for the channel :)

[@mccwho]

You should try Alco bullets in this caliber. 90 gr: G1 .627 77 gr: G1 .512 62 gr: G1 .450 Not having a polymer tip will also help with accuracy. I have recently found that the polymer tip seems to be more prone to having flyers. I discovered that by accident. Than found a technical article by hornady where they found the polymer is subject to friction heating and thus deformation when in flight. I had all but given up on the Valkyrie and was about to convert my Valkyrie's over to something else, being tired of the inconsistencies, but after trying the Alco in my f-class 308 and 284 winchester and getting some dramatic improvements in precision and accuracy. I will now be trying them in my Savage LRP Valkyrie. They cost more, but considering they are precision rifles a person should NEVER shoot the cheap stuff through them.

[@eirikrbrightraven1462]

JRB says: "Come and take it."

[@YukarisGearReviews]

Boy you've got some balls showing up in this part of town

[@mrhangfire1]

If possible, I'd like to suggest shooting the heavier bullets at 200 or 300 yards for accuracy testing. Especially with cartridges that must be loaded to magazine length. Long bullets with secant ogives and shorter bearing surfaces may need more time to stabilize, especially at lower velocities and making a longer jump to the rifling. You may be surprised at the results, just load up a few that looked promising on the data side of things and sling em further. I have beat my head against the wall begin rigidly locked to 100 yard ranges before.

[@DakotaTrucker]

I am shooting a 24" barrel from White Oak with 1 in 7 twist. Witt Machines MRE, Midwest Industries handguard, Anderson receivers, a polished DPMS trigger group, Sharps Rifle company reliabolt. Shoots consistently .6 moa-.8moa with the 75 grain factory loads. The varmint loads show promise but are around 1 to 1.25 inch groups. I've had the 90 grain eld put oblong holes in the paper and are good then bad then ok not very consistent. I'm acquiring equipment to reload, I can't wait to start developing loads

[@kalebfletcher8683]

More Valkyrie videos before a potential shutdown would be awesome! You’re the best, Johnny!

[@fisher7897]

Dailymotion worked good. Clear picture, ran in 1080p on my Mac. Had one moment where it rewound about 2 seconds then no issues after that. If it's not a hassle I would all gun channels move to that! I hadn't heard about it before and it was better than Full30 (most, if not all videos there are only in 720p). Awesome vid. as usual!

[@heytonyman]

As an aside, I can’t believe WOA isn’t begging you to return that barrel yet. Don’t be discouraged, you’re certainly not the only 224V owner that can’t get it to shoot worth a darn.

[@tier1armorychannel53]

I think the twist rate has something to do with it, research says a 1in6.5 twist is proper for it.

[@heytonyman]

TIER1Armory CHANNEL I could see that for the 90’s. For everything else there’s no reason it shouldn’t drill into one jagged hole.

[@tier1armorychannel53]

Yes I see your point, but it just nags at me because the 224V was #1 designed for the AR 15 and #2 to shoot heavier bullets farther than 5.56x45. and I have seen a couple vids elsewhere that they were getting repeated 0.25-0.44 groups at 100 YDS and several sub MOA groups out to 400 YDS while maintaining super sonic at 1250YDS with the FEDERAL 90gr GMM SMK and that is what drew my initial attention and interest to this chambering. but that barrel in the vid I seen was a 1:6.5 JPE 24" Prototype barrel and is the only one I have seen do that. but I haven't seen any production barrels as of yet that are 1:6.5, they have been only 1:7.0 twist shooting mostly 1.00MOA - 1.50MOA at best at any distance starting at 100YDS. Not to mention Federal has plans to release a 100gr Fusion round and 1:7.0 shouldn't stabilize that round at all. so it just leaves me scratching my head as to what they are thinking. That is the only thing at this point holding me up from buying a barrel now and I want to shoot the 90s and 100s at least sub MOA at 100YDS

[@CS-ow3io]

I just did a ladder test on cfe and 4895 and had pretty good results. Barrel is a jp 22” I just got a couple weeks ago. Problem with the 4895 was I just didn’t have enough gas to fully cycle a round. Ended up single feeding. Cfe did not have that issue. Used 82gr Berger and federal brass, gmm ar primer and went from 24.8gr to 26 gr. Avg moa was .7 moa with five 5 shot groups. Low was .6 moa and high .767. 4895 gave me a best of .295 but did not cycle the next round with gas wide open. Will try varget and 4350 soon. Oal was 2.209 on my cfe rounds, 2.203 on 4895. As a reference , I can put 10 shots of the American Eagle 75gr into an inch. Not quite as good with hornady 88 Elds. Think my sweet spot is closer to 80gr

[@Megahellastylin]

I have a Savage MSR15 in .224 Valkyrie and have been testing the Federal factory ammo. The barrel is the same length and twist as what is being used here (18" 1:7 twist). I am shooting from a bipod with a rear bag. I am not using a suppressor. Shooting 5-shot groups at 100 yards, the Federal 90 grain Sierra Match is the worst performer. The Federal 60-grain Nosler round seems to be shooting the best. Handloading comes next, but I am going to be dissapointed if I cannot get the 90 grain to work much better in the Savage barrel. I am going to stay tuned to see what he tries next.

[@davidunderwood3605]

Very glad to see your new video. Hopefully they have figure out the error of their ways. The groups for this cartridge should be better. Hope you find that nich for this cal. As they should be a lot tighter if it's gonna reach out past 1000 yards. Keep up the fight man.

[@geraldbondoc5974]

Clicked on your daily motion link. No login required. Watched it on iOS via WiFi with no issues. Thx.

[@Jiminico]

Johnny, do you have any footage or info at all from shooting the 4 original factory ammo offerings through this White Oak Armament Shilen barrel? It would be nice to know actual group sizes, velocities, etc through your 18” set up as a baseline.

[@psy999]

I would like to see this as well

[@SuperUncleRyan]

I just can't help but think that chrono is screwing up your barrel harmonics. I wish you had one of those nice Doppler units. If I win the lottery, I promise to buy you one. 😁

[@tobyn7649]

Great videos! I have the PSA 20" upper with 1:7 twist barrel and I have run over 100 rounds of the Federal 90 grain match ammo through it. Groups are dismal. The best group I have got so far is 3 1/2 inch. I am waiting for the Lee dies and case trimming tools to begin reloading. I am going to start with CFE 223 and the 77 grain bullets. I am very disappointed with the factory ammo thus far.

[@johnulanowski3612]

It's about keeping things consistent, we weigh power, we weigh bullets, some people weigh brass. if everything is consistent the bullets should by theory have all land in the same spot. Thats how I was taught. I hope this helps

[@joetorrisi2903]

well done Johnny...You are the first site that I follow that has enough backbone to question the right to suppress your first amendment rights, who they say like the 2nd, is apparently outdated.... your right to defend yourself and the freedom to speak your mind..so will this be the future in your once great nation, turning on and off amendments to suit the situation (I'm an Aussie)...well done bro.... let me know which is the best site to follow you, I have already created a short cut to patreon

[@riflemanjim]

Why bot put lapping compound on the bullets and use it to lap the seating stem.

[@youthoutreach2010]

Glad your channel is back up.

[@shermdog6969]

I sure do like the videos on the 556 77gr. You're getting some crazy. Accurate loads even at 200 yards and close to 2800 fps. Still on the fence about this caliber but you're dialing it in.

[@dustintaylor4076]

I am having great success with 88 and 90 grain bullets. On leverevolution powder. My gun likes .020 jump. Found that .224 valkyrie was very pick on bullet seating depth so try playing with it some.

[@lonz73]

Another great video JRB!! I also watched it on Daily motion from the email link via Patrion and it did not play well on my iPhone 6. I hope everything works out for you as I feel you have the best reloading channel out there for quality, information and testing. You dropping shit on the floor and cursing is a bonus, lol. Keep up the great work and hope to see you continue doing this in the future!!

[@shannonnunn]

Hornady concentricity Guage is a must on high bc bullets.... With a 7 twist sometimes it takes a few hundred yards to stabilize... Button pulled barrels, silencers and magneto speeds also cause variation as the barrel heats up.... I would go for groups with as little attachments as possible... It's odd that as your SD decreases your groups are opening up.... Velocity is low as well.... Try h335..... Velocity will not be high but it is consistent....

[@firearmsfuelfabrication]

On youtube try leaving out themore instrucional details and publish them in maybe a post on facebook and keep the shooting and groups here? Damn newpolicy anyways. And also yours is not the first white oak barrel I have heard of suffering from accuracy issues.a friend of mine built 2... both of his are suffering 1 to 2 moa and about 4 inches of point of impact shift from cold to hot barrel meaning his are not stress relieved well.

[@MorrisCA3]

Daily motion review on my Older model I-Pad, loaded a lot slower than KZbin. Daily Motion letter box format was great easy to search for your video. in my opinion color, sharpness, and overall appearance was great . good overall first impression.

[@johnulanowski3612]

I weigh all bullets and group them in boxes... Say they are ( 90 gr match KING ) stated on the box... I have found differences like 90.4grs. put them all together, 90.2grs and put them together and so on. I shoot them in the order of thier weights I have fewer fliers and tighter groups

[@topremf]

Tried Dailymotion. The sound was good & picture resolution a little off, however I did not see the ability for any dialogue or comments,

[@seanbrown7954]

You should try a Lee seating die with a K@M press and down force gauge. Its what all the benchrest shooters use for neck tension readings. I won the 2018 1000 yard i.b.s in 2018 factory class.

[@jeffpittman8725]

I'm thinking you need a different barrel with regards to accuracy. Great content as always!

[@jeremyhere2002]

Love your content on the channel. Hope your future is bright wherever it be. I can't help but think .224 Valkyrie is a hammer looking for a nail. What advantage is there over a .264 offering? 90 grainers got some awesome specs on paper but I am surprised to see them not deliver for you yet. 77grains seems to be on par with .223 Remington for the most part. Just can't see the advantage. Can you help me unpack this?

[@ralphcooper6985]

Thinking about trying some 90 grain vld berger's. I have very good result's in all my other rifle's.

[@iepatriot9426]

This is great stuff Johnny! Thank you

[@tjh44961]

I'm starting to think, after the trouble you've had with 22 Nosler and now the Valkyrie, that if you want to shoot high-BC 22 bullets, the best way to do it would be to grab a Savage rifle with a .308 bolt face, and have a prefit barrel chambered in .22-250 with a 1-8 twist. The higher case capacity would (probably) make higher velocities available, so you wouldn't have to have a 1-7" or 1-6.5" twist barrel. Shilen makes prefit Savage .224" barrels in 8", 7.5" and 7" twists.

[@nilescoyote4829]

Hooray another new episode!

[@CWME02]

You might try lapping the face of the receiver to square it. The "fliers" look more like poi shifts to me. That WOA barrel should be dropping them right in there consistently. Maybe give WOA a call and see what they suggest and show them some data.

[@marklent1348]

Daily Motion video worked fine. Still learning how the Daily Motion interface works.

[@garysnyder527]

OK, so why did this powder CFE 223 suck in the MK262 video but shot 77 grain so accurate in this video ?

[@joelclark2130]

Great video think it's a good move to switch uppers .the groups should be better sometime or, maybe the hype is greater than the cartridge... with more affordable equipment. Maybe it takes all the top shelf stuff to make that cartridge work...

[@nc_classics_9610]

The results with the 69 and 77 grain smk bullets, seemed very similar to the velocities you could get with 223 and CFE223. The .224 Valkyries only advantage i can derive is being able to shoot 80-100 gr bullets, from a magazine.

[@andarxx]

The Dailymotion app seems to work fine on the AppleTV. The interface isn’t great, but it’s workable. Your video quality looks just as good as well.

[@heytonyman]

Daily Motion link on Facebook app loaded fast and played great on my iPhone. Picture quality and audio were great also.

[@timlunsford7807]

I am confused, reloading and shooting targets channels get removed but video games simulating shooting someone is still up on KZbin?

[@tonkatank045]

so i mean, is 224 valk a waste of time if i already have a 20" 5.56 in 1:7 twist. i feel like it it just is an equivalent of a 5.56 load why bother?

[@aaronsgunsmithing]

Johnny, This video has somewhat restored my like for the .224 Valkyrie. Most of the groups I have seen people shoot are in the 1.25"-1.5" range those 4 sub MOA groups helped a lot. I was starting to think this round was going to be a bust. Do you know if anyone is going to be making a 1-6.5 twist barrel? I wonder if that will help out the accuracy of the round. I was about 1 day away from getting the parts I needed for an upper from Brownells, Then I found your videos and others.... GHAAAAAA!!!!!!! BUT, I have kept up with your progress, Thanks. As this round progresses I hope I can refind my love for it like I love the 25-06.

[@1969darr]

Hornady Makes an absolute die set for .22 DTI SA the Valkrie #8CD224D2 FLdie set. I have loaded both cals with this once fire formed, get absolute excellent accuracy with my own loads and powder.

[@zbailey636]

Apply for a spot on full30, they should be having an app soon also. I’d hate to miss out on content.

[@rudolphferdinand3634]

What else does a shooter need to do along with changing the barrel to 224 cartridge, plus bolt change also? I’m playing with the idea of changing 223 Wylde barrel to 224 Valkyrie barrel.

[@hcl3074]

I also believe your channel is the best one out there for in-depth reloading. I will check those other platforms out and let you know how they work for me. On a different note, I read somewhere that cfe223 is just blc2 with a copper inhibitor added. Any truth to it that you know of? I know how much you love blc2...

[@308guy8]

Glad to see you making a video. How are you liking the 2 stage trigger. I can't get used to them I've tried. They just feel like a sloppy trigger to me. Keep up the great work man we got your back.

[@larrylosciale9656]

Daily motion looked good, nice quality no hiccups etc. but I didn't see a comment section.

[@gregmcmurrey6640]

I'm very curious how it will do when you swap receivers. So far I have only shot factory ammo so I can get the brass from it to reload but I am shooting the WOA 24" shilen barrel and so far with the factory Federal 90gr SMKs I'm staying just sub MOA at 200 yards. I sure hope that gets better and not worse with hand loads. I look forward to your videos each week to see what luck you are having with different powders/bullets and such. Thank you for the videos!!

[@AgileK9TopDog]

I noticed that Sierra shows a 6.5 twist for 90 and 95gr bullets.

[@CorwinBos]

Good video. Bear in mind CFE 223 is really close to Varget for burn rate, so actually kind of slow. I wonder how IMR 8208 XBR would shoot. Very close to the 4895s in burnrate, but short cut, so you can get more in the case.

[@reloadeverything8695]

There's no comment section at daily motion

[@thinkittryit4335]

Dailymotion didn't like my AdBlocker software. Once disabled, it worked fine. I use it to keep ads from playing on KZbin and popups from other sites. As long as that doesn't become an issue on dailymotion, I have no issues disabling it on that site.

[@rileyhudson4394]

I was thinking about starting a KZbin channel myself but I don't know anything about. What app or thing do yal use to edit the videos.

[@ticemantice9663]

It seems like as the bullets get heavier you have more spread. Which makes me think the barrel's length or twist rate isn't enough to stabilize the bullet. But, what makes me think about what is going on with the consistency is the barrel isn't stabile in the upper. www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/rifle-tools/receiver-tools/ar-15-lapping-tool-sku080000182-20220-44377.aspx This tool is pretty innocuous but, it's also a pretty telling tool. It makes sure your barrel is bedded in the upper perfectly. It seems to have eliminated the fliers in my groups. Buy some 600 grit paste with it.

[@richardc-ex7rt]

I don’t understand why he’s barely getting 2700 FPS with the 77’s. My .223 77 grain loads average 2750 out of a 20” barrel with AR Comp.

[@johnulanowski3612]

johnny ......weigh the bullets.... I have seen bullets differences over 5 grain higher or lower than the stated weight ....that may be the fliers... IT MAY TIGHTEN GROUPS

[@raftr1]

I'm hoping you find a successful load on the 224 because i'm building one now myself . And i'm just getting into reloading too . And if you can dabble in some non-lead would help being in Ca i need to start looking at that option soon

[@jlkingen]

wonder if the barrel is starting to break in, possibly why groups are starting to improve slightly?

[@aklaunch]

I have never had any luck with CFE223. Seems you have from time to time.

[@jerryw2166]

I was going to build a .224 V upper but looking at the accuracy I believe I'll save my money.

[@reloadeverything8695]

I've been on full 30 subbed to those guys a while

[@briancowan4318]

Daily Motion worked well on my laptop as well. Liked their interface also. Full30 is good as well. Will there be ONE place for all of my gun channels that I view? I really do hope so. Start paying attention to your breathing, that may help reduce the amount of fliers.

[@tjarmand]

I am trying to find the 6.5 vld stem for the forster and cant find one.. do you have to call them directly to get one or can you order one online someplace?

[@anchorbait6662]

If it hadn't had those 5 flyers in a row they would have been good groups! 😜

[@CascadingDream]

I watched this video on another platform with a link provided on Patreon.

[@wilkskothmann6973]

Enjoying your videos a lot. I would really appreciate it if you could help me out on something. I have what looks to be the same small electronic scale as you have shown in some of your previous videos however mine is not accurate at all. It seemed to be consistent the first few times i used it and had a few good loads worked up using it but now after 4 months its all over the place(not accurate as compared to a beam scale) even after calibrating it with the 50g weight provided with it. Have you experienced any of these problems, am I missing something, or should i just send it back in? Thank you and really enjoying your channel keep up the good work!

[@DennisFriend]

Please no pornhub

[@Dave-mg4zs]

Johnny you need to try Full30. They have transplants over there already including hickok45 and others.

[@georgezink8256]

Isn’t it something that each barrel has a Favorite weight bullet

[@rafaellastracom6411]

I´m wondering what kind of an effect the twist rate would have. I believe you said you are shooting a 7¨ twist. Any idea what sort of difference we would see? Is it worth trying? I understand that is easier said than done.

[@georgezink8256]

How hot was barrel by time you got to 90 grain (try BLc2 powder

[@benbotha7590]

Could you please test out the smart weight 50

[@georgezink8256]

Why are you getting different lengths I set my die and every shell is same length

[@PilotMcbride]

Maaaaaaate....... 0.6 & 0.8 MoA with a shortish barrel semi auto @ 100yds isn't anything to sneeze at. See if you can beg, borrow, steal a repeater and try the loads in it. Hell, even build one, lol. I think those groups would shrink quite a bit, but the results you achieved are, imho, bloody good. Cheers from downunder

[@kevinbrady75]

have you tried box ammo just to see what accuracy you can get out of that barrel

[@cs_yt]

How far from the lands are you seating the bullets? I'm also getting bad groups with SD between 6-8fps. So far I'm quite disappointed with 224V

[@GusBuster-ti4mc]

I'm wondering how long these barrels are gonna last at 3000 fps? I'm still holding out on the 224 for now.

[@patricstephens9682]

Just got the new app to see how it works. And it works just fine

[@sandych33ks1]

Yet another great video. The accuracy is just not impressive .. I still love my 22-250 , and that will put some tight groups together around 3,700fps. I hope the groups get much better

[@judd_s5643]

What software do you use to determine group?

[@mediumugly4322]

Judd _S his brain housing group

[@judd_s5643]

TheAmericanGuy

[@littlelioness001]

look at posting vids on Full30..... Just in case

[@diggernash1]

Chrome cast wored from my note to a Samsung tv over on daily motion. I failed to figure out how to comment though...

[@rickcoloh9083]

What is your build and suppressor?

[@lincolnhurt8451]

Where in KY do you live? I live in Ashland we should get together and shoot some

[@riflemanjim]

Have you weighed the brass?

[@justinevans6546]

Daily motion app works on iPhone

[@markmcguire920]

I bet lever revolution would work pretty good.

[@itstherightone5179]

April 2021 you can't find BB's for you pellet gun!

[@georgeleeper2419]

Looks fine on Dailymorion on my phone will work.

[@eirikrbrightraven1462]

George Leeper #Metoo