224 Valkyrie - 69/77/90gr Match Kings with 8208XBR & Varget

Our search for accuracy in 224 Valkyrie continues. We've got new Starline brass to test with and our White Oak Armament barrel is in a new upper receiver. The test bullets for today are Sierra Match Kings in 69gr, 77gr, and 90gr varieties. The test powders for today are IMR 8208 XBR and Hodgdon Varget.
UPDATED 09/27/2018 - All links have been removed to comply with KZbin content policies.
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[@JohnnysReloadingBench]

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[@reloadeverything8695]

Johnny's Reloading Bench hey man don't forget about JRB outdoors I haven't seen that guy take time to do any fishing in months he could use a tight line lol

[@fee_lo8346]

That’s the same video?

[@jimhans1]

Johnny's Reloading Bench received my 18" Ballistic Advantage Valkyrie barrel, stainless fluted with rifle gas system and Odin works Adjustable gas block. Gonna start some testing with it this weekend to see how it does. Looking to make it my predator/varmint gun. Have 2 barrels for it already, a krieger and a Shilen. But both of those are longer than I want on my rifle for field use.

[@fee_lo8346]

jimhans1 I’m very interested in 224. I subscribed let us know how testing goes

[@Liemciemdk89]

68forums.com/forums/showthread.php?123242-224-Valkyrie/page3 reamer issues

[@EtherFox]

Johnny, your grouping clips here are some of the best on the internet let alone KZbin. Thank you very much for creating and sharing. I'm feeling ever so much drawn towards attempting my own 224 build next.

[@Jiminico]

Johnny, thanks for hanging in there with this cartridge. I like your attitude... “we’ll figure it out one way or another... one of these days!”

[@summitpmp]

Thanks Johnny, I have been struggling with .224V for months until this video. CMMG 24 inch 1:7 barrel. Used the Sierra 77gr Tipped MK and a max charge of 26.3 gr of Power Pro Varmint. Max charge but not excessive. CCI #450 primer. OAL 2.258. Trim length 1.58. Medium crimp. 5 shot groups at 0.3 inch at 100 measured yards. Best group of .286 inches. Max speed 2975fps, min 2964fps, ave 2964, SD 10.7. Going to try the brand new Hornady 88gr ELD-Match next. Thanks again.

[@TheSonsOfSimon]

I love watching these vids. I hope to start reloading one day, and these vids make me feel more comfortable about reloading.

[@Thorsaxe777]

Johnny, once again your world is going outside the box. I really admire your testing of new so-called "Cats Meow" of what's new and has everyone Just "shivering" with anticipation. You are putting it through the mill, checking the claims of its foundation, However, admitting at the same time maybe faults with your platform, Like They tested a 24-inch barrel and my rifle is a 1-7 twist with an 18-inch barrel. small details like those make a difference that have huge effects down range. Keep up the good work dude. Dave

[@THutch556]

Great video JRB, I’m personally not sold on this cartridge yet. I’m ok with the velocity being down with the powders you used as long as the accuracy with those powders is excellent. I know you can shoot good groups, I know your using quality components and loading your ammo correctly, I know WOA can make a heck of a barrel. No reason for the accuracy issues other than this cartridge MAY just not end up being a shooter. I have seen some high end .224V builds with good shooters still just hovering around the 1 MOA mark with the heavier 90 grain SMK. So it’s not just you. I’m sure the manufacturers may be trying to figure out a slightly faster optimal twist rate to better stabilize the 90 grain bullet, as the Benefit of this cartridge and it’s designed around the advantages of a high BC bullet for long range shooting, to me accuracy is extremely important and really comes into play at extended ranges. So if it won’t shoot the heavy High BC stuff, no real reason for me (at least yet) to take the plunge into .224V, But with that said there is still no reason with its current twist rate that this cartridge is not shooting the lighter bullets better or more consistent, so I’m not completely sold on the people claiming accuracy is a twist rate issue. Great vid JRB and thanks for providing this information. Really helps out people on the fence with this cartridge.

[@BuntMeister66]

Another great video, more data to crunch. My 224 V Barrel is on the way, and the SL brass too. Looking forward to checking loads against a different barrel.

[@FullSendPrecision]

Interesting that the gun liked to drop the second round to the lower left

[@orkboy59]

Thanks for the video on the Starline Brass. I think im going to put in an order for some pretty soon. I think there is a movement for faster twist rates happening with this cartridge. 1:7 is not fast enough for the 90 gr projectiles.

[@TheJoejoe808]

Love your videos man👍 always entertaining keep up the good work

[@kevinfarmer5653]

if youre not cleaning between powder brand/type changes i recommend that you do. It has been documented that different powders shot behind each other will effect accuracy for several rounds

[@halfdollar86]

Interesting that the mk262 series you did is shooting the same bullet to the same velocity and better accuracy with a few powders.

[@rdsii64]

I think that your problem with the 90 grain match king is it really needs a 6.5 twist barrel.

[@WestDesertShooter]

Uintah Precision has been playing with their 224 Valkyrie. They chopped the barrel to 16” and it has a 1:7 twist they shot an excellent group with the Sierra 90g Federal match ammo. So apparently the twist rate should be fine for the 90s. They cut it to 16 to test the limits of stability and it still worked great. Food for thought

[@Thorsaxe777]

Before I would lay it on the table and chop it,, I would take in that chamber leads and barrel dimensions is a bigger culprit. Maybe a different bullet depth, different powder and a different brand of the bullet would do the trick. I see what you are saying through WDS and it also has its merit as well. However, that is something I would do as a last hurrah to salvage the barrel for accuracy.

[@WestDesertShooter]

Thor's Axe I didn’t mean for him to cut it down, I was just saying even with a shorter barrel and lower velocity they still seem to stabilize, enough to shoot a cloverleaf group

[@IHFarmer2007]

rifleshooter.com/2018/02/224-valkyrie-effect-of-barrel-length-on-velocity/

[@jonjames4281]

IHFarmer.. Didn't see this coming! wow, might need to re-think the 224v.

[@jerrygolden832]

Midway among others has been selling lots of 100 for quite some time now, around mid 2018. My experience has been that you probably need to buy 250 to get a decent number of similar weight cases when sorting. I had to cull close to 50% to get the high standard that I prefer and the lengths weren't as consistent as I expected. I love Starline pistol brass and have had good luck with Starline 223 brass but these early Valkyrie cases not so much.

[@abell4785]

Hornady offers a new ELD bullet and Bison Armory has 1:6.5 twist rate barrel check them out.

[@Lostonthecourse]

Johnny, I'd really like to see you play with some seating depths. The 90gr SMKs are more jump sensitive than the 77s, IE they need to be closer to the lands.

[@JustDeeOutdoors]

Yep, I agree with you, a lot of variables and change ups.

[@heaviesculture5516]

The last charge on 69grn SMK and XBR looks like might be right there. Maybe with the fireformed brass will shape up even better. Can I suggest moving seating depth out .003" at a time, until you reach mag length, and shoot some groups with that charge and see if it pulls groups in tighter.

[@MrWhatitdoes]

My research indicates 224 Valkyrie 90 grain bullets shot out of an 18” barrel needs at least a 6.5 twist. A longer barrel (i.e., 20-24 inch) would be ok with the 7 twist. A longer barrel with 7 twist would be more versatile because it would stabilize heavier bullets and not over-spin a lighter bullet. You provide really good content! Thank you!

[@tobyn7649]

my 20" 1:7 will not shoot 90 grain bullets...waiting for 224 dies to load the 75 and 80 grain ELD bullets. Some good info on the BisonOps blog page.

[@bobborlog1677]

It was created to use a 22 inch barrel

[@skeezixzx9r]

I'd like to see you reboot these loads with CCI 400s. I am working up 25-45 Sharps and found large improvement in the 5 loads I tested with 3 primers. The 400s out shot the WSRs and 41s.

[@ianmock2]

Johnny, do you do anything special when assembling your upper? I'm curious if you bed the barrel, or use a specific torque on the barrel nut, or something else? Thanks man. Keep up the great work!

[@BoltActionReloading]

If you were going to select a new barrel now what would you pick?

[@skeezixzx9r]

Just watched a bit saying Sierra stated the the 90gr SMK needs 6.5 to 1 barrel to stabilize unless you can get velocity above 2650fps.

[@lucci_guns9967]

hellos Johhny, thanks for all of your great content. I have a question about COAL. When a bullet is seated and i choose a number for example 2.240 what is the coal variance difference where its ok. Because i can seat my seating die for that measurement and then recheck 20 rounds and tbey woukd vary sometimes by 20 thousandths. Thanks in advanced

[@MarkThomas-pf8ml]

I was a little surprised at the recommended O.A.L of the 69 & 77 gr Match KIngs... Wonder if they had been the typical 2.250 ", would they have shot any better...?Another way to go might be to use the powder's that you recently used in the previous video for the MK262 clone...

[@jnljnl8485]

Maby try to lap the barrel with a cast bullet and some laping compound . it would be a good experiment to see if its rifling or just stress in the steel of the barrel causing inconsistent harmonics or something.

[@pcbulletempire9872]

Good show Johnny 👍👍🇺🇸🤓

[@TheSonsOfSimon]

I’ve been hearing bad news about the 90 grain SMK. It seems a lot of people are having trouble stabilizing it... I need to read more about it though.

[@SamHurtLocker]

I’d say I have to agree with some of this comments this round doesn’t seem to have any kind of purpose I think it be fun if you get something odd ball like at 2545 sharps or 6 x 45 or something special

[@AlienMetals]

Wouldn't it make more sense to weigh the brass after they are all trimmed to length, primer pockets and flash holes uniformed etc? I'm not sure how relevant the case weight is if the cases aren't even the same length? I'm learning a lot, thanks for the vids

[@bedlamite42]

You don't have unrealistic expectations, you have unfinished load development. There are two steps, and you have only finished the first step of powder charge, the second step is to determine OAL for your barrel. Take your best load and vary the length, and shoot several groups to determine the best length. It often makes a bigger difference in accuracy than powder charge. Another possibility is that I've found the first fire on some brass can have flyers and the second firing is better.

[@elchupagoats956]

I have a 224 valkyrie upper from palmetto state some problems did my Reloads best group 1 inch with 23.8 gr of varget with Federal ♻ cases 90gr smk. Also primers pockets were lose on the cases. my point of view the cases suck hope that Lapua starts making 224 Valkyrie brass

[@TheRednek99]

Maybe try playing with your barrel nut torque. Some barrels like more torque some like less, I've found the sweet spot to be 50-70 ft-lbs most of the time, but not always.

[@ccwynn6657]

As to case cap. ...My Hdy Match once fired also measured 31.6 gr H2O.

[@sjohnson1776]

You should shoot one group with the bayonet and same without for a couple loads. I know high end shooters that swear that chrono thing really messes with accuracy. I use a stand off chrony so not an issue for me. Thanks!

[@michaelhorner912]

Try BL-c(2) by Hodgdon. I’m surprised you havent used this powder with heavy 223.

[@MrTrekFanDan]

Johnny, Did you close the gap between the bullets and the lands? I didn't hear you say so. I'd make it 0.015 or less, and reshoot the tighter groups. (unless of course you'd be too long to mag feed.) I've noticed a *very* substantial improvement with my 6.5 Creedmoor the closer I get to the lands. I'm at eighteen thousandths gap now. And my next test loads will be 0.005 and/or touching. The Savage 10T magazine has plenty of room. ;-)

[@tobyn7649]

The 20" 1: 7 twist barrel just will not shoot the 90 grain bullet. I ordered a 1:6.5 barrel.

[@w.f.bentley4171]

I commented on another video about this, but I dont think the upper was the problem with your reloads. I think the load jumps you made were too big to get an accurate load. Full grain powder increases probably skip over some pretty great loads and I'd love to see quarter or even tenth grain increments if at all possible. I love your channel, please keep up the good work!

[@richardcarlson2644]

Read the Federal test barrel specs 24"barrel 6.5 -1 or tighter twist!

[@tjh44961]

OK, it's never been a secret that I'm primarily a bolt gun guy. hat I'm thinking is if you want to shoot the new heavy bullets that are coming out in .224" maybe you wait until the Savage 112FV goes on sale at Cabela's, and grab a short action rifle with a .308 bolt face. Then, you go to Shilen, and grab a 1:6.5" twist prefit barrel with a 24" length, chambered in .22-250. So, now, you've got a high capacity case, with a twist suited for heavy .224 barrel, in a rifle that is generally a proven performer. I know my .223 shoots lights-out. Might be an interesting project. I have an upper and 15" handguard sitting on my bench that has been waiting for a Valkyrie barrel, but I think it's going to continue to wait...

[@theactualBDG]

I've considered this. Do you know where one can get a 22-250 chamber cut with more jump to the lands to accommodate the longer bullets?

[@shanerhodes925]

Just seems like the 90 gr bullet would like a 6.5 twist better in 224 Dia projectiles the heavier you go the faster the twist so it would make sense that you would need a 1/6.5"twist

[@JohnnysReloadingBench]

Sierra has released a 95gr SMK as well, and I don't think there's any chance they'll work with a 1:7. If the Valkyrie gets popular I could see the bullet companies getting very creative in the 80-100gr range. I think a 1:6.5 will end up being the way to go. We'll see!

[@orkboy59]

I was going through Instagram and ran across one of JPs factory shooters who is running 224 Valkyrie. As it turns out they are working on a "prototype" twist rate for their new 224 Valk barrels. She wouldn't tell me what it was but i have a feeling its in the 1:6 range.

[@honda250rAlec9]

I have been waiting on my JP barrel for months now and they are working on a new twist rate for the 90gr ammo. The first run of barrels had 1:7 twist and JP told me that the accuracy was only mediocre. I'm ready to receive my barrel and start testing the accuracy!

[@shanerhodes925]

Johnny's Reloading Bench yes I think bullet manufacturers are going to start making some really nice bullets in this Dia for the valkrie. And this is one of the few new cartridges that sparks my interest. Very excited to see how things work out from here on out. And Tha KS Johnny keep up the good work

[@johnsenuta1038]

The 90gn SMK will not work in your 1-7 short barrel. Period. This has been the problem with barrels all along.

[@mmelgoza1983]

What about a 6.5" twist for the 90's like Sierra suggests?

[@aaronsabin8868]

so, for the starline brass, how did you test the case capacity with water? It's new, so no old primer to seal the bottom. What method do you use to keep it contained? Or, does surface tension of the water not permit it to leak through the primer pocket?

[@gregorywynacht1378]

90 smk 2498 Short Barrel heavy grain work better powder burns before end barrel not push butt end bullet coming out? short 224 not good? ?

[@myanaloglife9450]

I think most 224 twist at 1/7 sierra wanted 1/6.5 but that’s 1/2 inch faster on a 16 barrel that’s a very small factor think it should cause such a big difference, t/f ?

[@paulharveu526]

Any chance something was working loose on those last 2 groups? The 77gr is worse than your Mk262 in .223. Makes me wonder why the .224 exists?

[@killerfungis]

Not aware that the 6.8 case was ever claimed to be an accurate case, its selling not based on accuracy, but rather speed.

[@otm646]

Can you publish the case weight data in an excel file? I'd like to run so statistics on their manufacturing process.

[@JohnnysReloadingBench]

See if you can access this: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lmwKlD7ELVHnQFMgwDxPEuV_c-qo_MbRLo2a8YPwJww/edit?usp=sharing

[@isaacspoon]

my federal brass had tight primer seating

[@gregorywynacht1378]

try 90 grain powders burn in barrel sooner and see if this so. fix 24 inch barrel 20 for 90 grain. ?

[@mountainprecision875]

When are you going to bring out the 90gr VLD Bergers?

[@Liemciemdk89]

single feed 90 maybe the concentricity gets messed up bolt velocity picks up

[@kylevanwinkle2081]

Liemciemdk89 much more likely that you didn't get the velocity to stabilize the projectile out of the 1/7 twist. A 1/6.5 twist should work better but then the 60grain varmint load would explode leaving the barrel.

[@jerrygolden832]

BTW, I contacted Lapua directly and they quickly let me know that they will not announce whether they will or will not ever produce 224 Valkyrie brass so at this time they had no comment either way. I use Lapua exclusively except for in my 204 and that's because Lapua doesn't make brass for the 204.

[@cooldog73]

“I’ll take a nice “tight” primer pocket on a new piece of brass every time!” ;)

[@sd3gunner]

We need some more vids on the valkyrie please im getting very frustrated with mine and need some help. We cant let this round die.

[@JohnnysReloadingBench]

My upper has been at White Oak so they could test it. I expect it back any day now and should have new videos soon.

[@sd3gunner]

Johnny's Reloading Bench thank you so much for getting back to me. So many YTers dont pay attention to there viewers. Did you get a bad barrel? Scratch that I will just wait for a follow up video to find out.

[@CorwinBos]

I keep saying to myself, c'mon you SOB group! Hahahaha Im really wanting to actually build a bolt action on 224 Valk with a Rem 700 with an AR mag compatible DBM, but until I see some impressive results accuracy wise, the jury is still out for me. What is your case fill %? Is it getting crunchy, or lots of room?

[@newdeathscope]

On these powders there would be plenty of room.

[@garysnyder527]

Agree with Mr. Paco1013. After watching 224 Valkyrie video's and cloning MK 262 I'm asking myself why 224 Valkyrie? If you have a decent AR 15, do you really need the Valkyrie? Unless you want to join the Special Forces and shoot thousands of yards ?????

[@jonjames4281]

Just got 250 pieces of Starline 6.5 grendel brass last week and didn't get the "warning flier" you'd got, or any other SL brass i've bought for that matter. wth? Just on the 224v brass? just sayn'... STILL don't see enough gains (IMO) over my colt 20" a2 to justify getting the 224v. at least it's not 22 nos. bad

[@jenniferw2174]

It seems a lot of hard work just to get it to shoot anything like it should I think I will give that cal a miss

[@kevinbrady75]

im kinda disappointed in the 224.. maybe the barrel ?

[@anchorbait6662]

You got patreon/reloading??? You boss you haha ;)

[@fee_lo8346]

The hole point of 224 was to bridge the the bullet weight between the ar 10 and the ar 15. If it cannot do that then it has no purpose. Am I wrong? I don’t think anyone is looking for a faster 22 for their ar 15. 6.8 spc, 6.5 Grendel, 300 blackout that’s some stiff competition. I don’t know what I would need an extra 200 feet per second out my 77 match king loading for? Hunting? No. Long range? Not sure it would make much difference once you factor in wind drift at long ranges. Self defense? I don’t think so... most hallow points and soft points expand just fine in 223/556. Maybe out of a short barrel ar? It might help stretch out the effective range of your 11.5? Might be worth a try and see how much pounder you can burn. I know 224 was designed not to waist powder. I don’t know how many people need that though. Looking like a solution in search of a problem right now... I’ll give the manufacturers one more try at twist rate but the fact that they didn’t figure that out before releasing the round seems like a fail already. Am I crazy? I think I’ve given it a fair shake. Ive seen no one except Tim an 22 plinkster put a decent group together with those 90 grain bullets and they were using those mystery jp rifles that no one can buy🤔

[@Tula1940_LB]

I NEED HELP!!!!! I'm building another AR-15 upper for 300 yard coyote hunting and for precision target shooting. .223 Wylde or .224 Valkyrie?

[@AverageGIJoeOutdoors]

go with the 223.... I built a 224.... not impressed... I gravitate back to my 5.56 all day....

[@Tula1940_LB]

Okielawman Can you elaborate on that?

[@AverageGIJoeOutdoors]

Certainly.... the 224 seemed like the best thing since sliced bread.. the early barrels and early ammo from federal all had issues... the twist rate was off... making it (the Valkyrie) only like light bullets that are the same velocity and the exact same projectile as the 223 or 5.56....(same thing basically)…….not going to go into exacts on that, lol. But anyhow....My Valkyrie rifle likes the varmint bullets and the 75grn FMJ....and they travel the same speeds as they do out of my 5.56 predator AR that I built just for coyote hunting..... So why even have the 224 at all..... If you have a 20 inch barrel and longer with the proper twist for the 90 grn bullets.. then it will most likely be a shooter... but if your running anything under a 20 with a 1-7 twist.. then it may have problems.... The thing just has a lot of bugs still at this point to be worked out.... Now of course there will be some mall ninja jump on here and say how he has shot milk jugs with he 11.5 inch 224 Valkyrie build out to 1300 yards...….and I am not saying that it can not be done..... I am simply saying that for coyotes and hogs and smaller white tail deer... and good 223 with a 1-7 twist will shoot the really good rounds all the way up to 75 grn Hornady hollowpoints very well from a good barrel maker... and they are always easy to find... and parts are available.... I say the 224 is a niche round for paper punchers... as far as accuracy goes.. I just have not had any luck with it... and I know what I am doing... I put the upper on Armslist to be honest... you may look into the 6.8 spc…. for hunting... its a great round... bucks wind better than the 223...and you can get the 90 grn hollow points that will push 3000 fps out of a 18 inch barrel.....it is a great round out to around 350 yards... that's further than most people that don't shoot all the time can shoot anyhow.... I love my 6.8 and would not trade it for nothing....its really popular for hogs in texas….ok sorry for being long winded... just my 2 cents... and that is all it is... but I have been shooting and hunting for 30 years and have used a bunch of different stuff over the years.... good luck.

[@daviddale3624]

Don't know how you measured the H20 capacity, but I recommend weighing the brass first (use your Sharpie to write it on the side) fill it with water then measure again. Do the math and you know the weight of the H2O. If you need more than "Group Therapy", let us know.

[@JohnnysReloadingBench]

That's exactly how I measured it! Thanks. :)

[@daviddale3624]

Brother...you have the "disease".

[@rickcoloh9083]

Hi, which suppressor are you using?

[@joelclark2130]

Better try some Bob's bullets maybe you'll get better results. I'm not so impressed of the 224 Valkyrie after all this... it's still a great video learning a lot

[@FullSendPrecision]

I don't get it. Those speeds aren't that much more than what you can get out of 556, for the 69 and 77 grain.

[@JohnnysReloadingBench]

These were extremely fast burning powder selections. We've seen much more impressive velocities in earlier videos when using slower burning powders.

[@G5Hohn]

Yes, but this isn’t intended to shoot the light bullets any more than a .223 chamber is intended to shoot 80-90gr pills.

[@reelconquest2063]

Johnny's Reloading Bench did you hear Federal fessed up and admitted the 90 grain SMK is not shooting worth a dam? They are apparently investigating root cause as I understand it.

[@roady7420]

I really don’t understand how you can reliably evaluate groups with a magneto speed hanging off the barrel changing the barrel harmonics. Why not find your barrel nodes then test velocity with the magneto speed. I would also mention the suppressor. Any weight on the barrel will change the harmonics. I am not saying the silencer is partly responsible but it’s another variable. My silencer data is always last thing in the process. Definitely don’t use it for load development. I also unsure your not inducing errors off the bench as well. I find prone as the most stable position for load development. The ground doesn’t move, benches can move in the slightest without you realizing it inducing errors.

[@nickmcgee6438]

Big plus one on this comment! I would like to see a revisit on the best groups shot without the magneto speed. There is absolutely no way this is helping anything!

[@cs_yt]

The 90 does not like to jump, try close to the lands and you will see a huge difference.

[@1976kingdom]

cccssscccsss2 the problem is he has to run at magazine length which keeps him from getting too close to the lands.

[@cs_yt]

1976kingdom his graphic shows seating @ 2.26, my magazines allow 2.31 and there is someone making magazines with a window that allow even longer. So, at least seating at max mag length or better by hand feed.

[@1976kingdom]

If you want to hand feed then I would suggest a bolt gun. We all know they are inherently more accurate than semi-automatics. But that’s not really the point. The ammo that he loads needs to be reliable above all else, hence magazine length OAL.

[@cs_yt]

Not suggesting in a regular basis. I suggested hand feed to prove a point(ideal OAL), before investing on special magazines, for example. Nonetheless, he did not load at max mag length and who makes an affordable bolt gun in 224V? No one at this moment.

[@benjaminnevins5211]

Let me know if you got the lyman reloading tray. If not, I'll go yell at the seller. Should have been delivered UPS

[@JohnnysReloadingBench]

I got it! Sorry about that...meant to send an email. I'll be showing it off in the next 308 or 6.5CM video! Thanks again, brother.

[@benjaminnevins5211]

Good to hear! I always get paranoid about shipping something to a PO box from UPS after being in the Army.

[@MrPaco1013]

Your velocity with the 77gr bullets seems to be on par with the 5.56 clone velocities. I really don't see the point of the 224 valkyrei if the velocity is the same and accuracy is worse. Why spend the extra money? It looks like a fun round to play with but I just don't see a real world application for it. Grate video, keep them coming 😁

[@JohnnysReloadingBench]

Go back to the video were we tested Allliant Power-Pro 2000MR! We had the 77's up to 2930! Let's see your 5.56 do that! The 75gr factory ammo is at 3000. Once I get comfortable with the accuracy we're seeing I can't wait to see how fast we can push it. The powders we used in this video are extremely fast burning for 224V, so the velocities were understandably low in this video.

[@bobbobsquarepants888]

The 224 Valkyrie was made specifically to be able to fire the 90 grain .224 bullet and still feed reliably in an ar15 magazine. That's its sole purpose; not to increase velocity of common bullet weights in 5.56x45.

[@MrPaco1013]

Johnny's Reloading Bench You got the 77gr going well over 2800 fps with power pro varmint. That's not to shabby man. And you didn't blow your face off. lol

[@killerfungis]

My 224 grendel spits 95gr HPBT medium load at 2950fps, just saying

[@kylevanwinkle2081]

Hammer Click but can you buy 224 grendel at a common store? How about 22creedmoor which stomps the 22 grendel?

[@riflemanjim]

You shouls do all case prep before weighing....

[@mtnshooter2487]

Might have been better off a benchrest

[@judofry]

224 was supposed to be the new hotness, dang

[@JohnnysReloadingBench]

I don't have any evidence to say it isn't! My results might not be typical. If you're talking about the low velocities in this video, that is all down to powder selection. 2000-MR and Reloder 17 are the types of powders for higher velocity.

[@anchorbait6662]

You tell em Johnny, you tell em!

[@yootoober49]

That was February. Now it's the 556SuperThanos.

[@IHFarmer2007]

considering on how new it is, I would say its going to take time. lol Johnnys' having better luck with the Valkyrie than the .22 Nosler and the nosler has been out longer!!

[@MasterBigBass]

I feel like you may have a twist rate issue (SLIGHTLY too slow) as ONLY the 90 grain gives the worst results in almost every video. May not be the case as a barrel can be bad even from someone as good as WOA.

[@187Hide]

I must ask how's your omega holding up. I shoot alot but not going through the round count yours has been.

[@Tula1940_LB]

One of the only alternative AR-15 calibers that I like. .300AAC is horrible....

[@kylevanwinkle2081]

Logan Barnette 300aac does make for an excellent home defense cartridge. Especially sbr'd suppressed with subs

[@mikesimpson7748]

I'm kind of partial to 6.5 Grendal. Good balance between velocity, Ballistic coefficient, and bullet weight.

[@Tula1940_LB]

Kyle Vanwinkle Not really it over penetrates walls. I have my home defense AR loaded with 35gr Increptor sport frangable and that doesn't go through a damn thing. .223 55gr FMJ doesn't well anyway but I wanted extra insurance and I would like to shoot steel.

[@kylevanwinkle2081]

Logan Barnette pretty sure you can get frangibles for the 300blk too and they will carry more weight while poking a bigger hole. Besides that I was recommending subsonic loads that are comparable to a 45acp only inherently more accurate on a more ergonomic platform

[@number40Fan]

Send it with your .308 barrel to get a recrown job. Other than that, they'd both make a good tomato stake if you have a garden.

[@j.sagiechode]

Jp enterprises and a few other big boys in the barrel and rifle business have called 224 Val crap. they have tested many many barrel twist and length heavy and light contours etc. etc. they are unable to meet expected MOA and have gone to in some cases moving the barrels and complete rifles into the bargain bin section for liquidation. that kinda tells me the .224 Val is a dying round.

[@mark120371]

Where can i find this info. And barrel prices for 224 Val has reminded the same and has gotten a bit more costly lately

[@Gizmo_The_Familiar]

get a criterion barrel

[@dontask8979]

I don't like seeing 3 peaks in case weight at all. Looks like 3 lots and with only 250....you will be lucky to get 75 that 1/2way match. 👎

[@224valkyrieforum7]

Please check out this thread. www.224valkyrieforum.com/index.php?topic=110.0 Would be interesting to see a video checking freebore on your .224 valkyrie barrel.

[@224valkyrieforum7]

Looks like the 88gr ELD with Power Pro 2000-MR and CFE223 seem to group pretty well.

[@siestatime4638]

Too many variables...

[@szabib2144]

I bet you wish you bought as much as you could instead of saying the lowest amount they sell. Lol 😆

[@johnsenuta1038]

Get rid of that Valkyrie barrel and buy a good one. Switching uppers.does nothing.