224 Valkyrie vs 22 Nosler vs .223 Remington: Wild Speculations!

A few days ago, Federal Premium Ammunition announced a new cartridge: 224 Valkyrie. We already have a fine new uber-.223 (22 Nosler), so why should we consider the newcomer?
Take everything I say here about the .224 Valkyrie with a grain of salt. Neither SAAMI nor Federal have released the cartridge's specs. However, there is some data out there that gives a fairly decent idea of case dimensions and purposes.
The first element to consider is the choice of a 90-grain SMK (Sierra MatchKing) projectile for the initial load. Since the Valkyrie is clearly intended for AR-15 pattern magazines, that means the case will have to be relatively short. Those huge VLD projectiles (Very Low Drag) are MUCH longer than 55-grain FMJs, or even 77-grain SMKs. And thanks to a poster on a forum, we now know that the rim is not a rebated rim like you get on the 22 Nosler; it's a full 0.420"-ish rim, like on the 6.8 SPC. This case may likely be a 6.8 SPC case necked down and with the shoulder pushed back.
As for purpose, the initial projectile choice says it all: 224 Valkyrie is intended to fling very heavy projectiles long distances. The claim is that the projectiles will remain supersonic to 1,300 yards. If so, this opens up a whole new world of possibilities for game harvesters and competitors alike. 22 Nosler brings a lot of heat, but it is limited to 77-grain projectiles . Anything bigger really won't fit. A 90-grain projectile will resist aerodynamic drag and wind drift, meaning that not only can the sportsman deliver more downrange energy, but the likelihood of a hit is also increased.
My interest is piqued. I want to try it.
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[@a_ham_like_me]

Thank you for taking the time to make this video and share your thoughts about the .224. Your theories make a lot of sense and the potential of this round appears to be significant. I'm looking forward to your first build for it (or a borrow, as things have a way of turning out).

[@SocialRegressive]

Oh my gosh, that would be fun. A heavy barrel or light one would be useful in so many situations.

[@uncletio0428]

Great educational video and straight to the point. (All without blaring music or nonsensical commentary.) Thanks for the knowledge and keep up the good work. Thanks again...

[@Clambelly]

Excellent discussion. Thanks for the info, video and graphics.

[@caseyterrence1606]

May I ask whic magazines were used during this testing? Man if only the ammo was priced as low as this video suggested.

[@WestDesertShooter]

Another initial offering for Valkyrie is a 100 Gr Fusion bullet making it a real option for deer. A 100 Gr Bullet in a 243 is great for bigger game so I would have little hesitation to try that. Interested to see how it plays out. Great video Social!

[@SocialRegressive]

Ooh. I missed that one.

[@kn761]

A real option for deer? As if there aren't already a ton of real options for deer that have been used in 223 rem for years

[@SocialRegressive]

True; .223 Rem can and does get the job done. .224 Valkyrie will extend the range by quite a bit, though. Assuming the standard 1,000 ft-lbs of energy to humanely kill a whitetail, even my 75-grain .223 loads fall below that line past 50 yards.

[@DuoBart0n]

so wait you are trying to tell me that if its under 1,000 ft-lbs its not humane? you are trying to tell me that a 44 mag at 10 yards wouldn't humanely kill a whitetail? that's funny because ive been dropping them where they stand at 50 yards with mine for years.

[@SocialRegressive]

I think the common-knowledge 1,000 ft-lbs assumes a crappy shot. You're absolutely right: tons of deer have been humanely taken with much less powerful rounds.

[@tomacton6718]

interesting. with those steep shoulders, i wonder how it will feed in full autos? will it shine or jam up as the Grendel did against the 6.8 spc......

[@ccwynn6657]

In retrospect, with the benefit of hind sight, the case is a necked down 6.8 SPC which was also an early variant of the AR-15 ammo, and filled the niche for a medium distance engagement military round, and maintained the M-16 / AR-15 logistics advantages.

[@texas66]

Great review of the .224 cartridges for the AR-15 platform. I'd love to see a part 2 that includes all the saami and commercial AR-15 cartridges with bullets smaller than .308. Variety like this is part of what makes the AR fun. I have a 6x45mm now that's giving promising long range results. It's not too exciting at saami spec pressures but loaded to 5.56 pressures (which will work in an AR using 5.56 brass) bullet weights and range goes up.

[@SocialRegressive]

I've considered building a 6x45. Cool cartridge. .20 Practical is kinda fun, too.

[@robertwalker818]

The 22-250, in my Rem. 700- 24" bull barrel, is on my top of gun list, it's hard to beat, I have taking many big deer with it, hand loads 52gr. Nosler HP, bullets, can't be beat, it will tack in same hole at 100 yds. ONE of my favorite Rifle, in my safe"!!!!!

[@frankgrillo8094]

I've had em all-- my current go to is the 22nosler out of a 24in cmmg upper -- THE BOMB !

[@my3rotts]

Nice job demonstrating comparisons

[@orkboy59]

There are a couple of videos form Big 3 East where Mark LaRue saying the 224 Valkyrie case is a necked down 6.8 SPC case.

[@SocialRegressive]

Sweet. That makes sense.

[@coppertopv365]

It is a necked down 6.8spc case with a 5.56 type bullet but heavier, 60ish-100grain. Shoots well out to 1,000 yards. Seen a box of Federal 224 Valkyrie, 20 rounds @ 11 and change the other day

[@jonduffer4340]

Well done - very good points. You have to like the 90 grain base load theory and the fact that all Federal does is make ammo.

[@HYPNSK8ER012]

To answer the one question about .223 weights, DRT makes a really awesome defensive round in 5.56 that is 79gr.

[@petekeeney1397]

Love the channel! 👍🏼. Just have to remind others of Hornady’s 6mm HAGAR, which Carl Bernosky made famous (in my eyes) in 2011 when he won the the National Championships with it, in an AR 15 platform. I believe the HAGAR nicely fills that gap 22 plinkster spoke about. The HAGAR uses the same 6.8 spc bolt face and pushes pills, as heavy as 105grn, as fast as 2800 fps. I hate to say it, but it looks look like the HAGAR trumps the Valkyrie’s ballistics. The only problem I see with the HAGAR is that I hasn’t seemed to gain popularity. No factory ammo produced, but Hornady has made runs of brass. Thanks.

[@holdernewtshesrearin5471]

Nice work and good info. Ive got a couple questions please. I have 2 FN AR-15s, a modded 16" M4/RECCE in 5.56 and an 18" match grade sporter/DMR in .223 rem. I use a Primary Arms 1-8x ACSS SFP scope on the M4/RECCE which is graduated to 800 yds. And i use the mil-based Primary Arms 4-14x ACSS R-grid FFP scope on the sporter/DMR . My question is when using the Sig Sauer Elite 77 gr OTMs, both FNs favorite load, which are rated at 2,750 fps on the box (20" barrel?, 24" ???), what is the approximate maximum range of these two rifles before the rounds go transonic? Ive taken the M4/RECCE to 550 yds with excellent results but im just wondering if its 16" barrel going to get me to the full 800 yds of my optics BDC or possibly to 1,000 rds? And ditto for the 18" sporter/DMR, will it get out to 1,000 yds or possibly more? Both FNs are easily sub moa, even sub 1/2 moa at 100 yds on a regular basis and the M4/RECCE has proved to hold that accuracy out past 500 yds so accuracy is not in question, only range. I dont have a chrono and rarely get to fire at extreme range but i hope to be able to soon. Any info is appreciated. Thanks in advance!

[@SocialRegressive]

The big difficulty is estimating your actual velocity. I lose a lot of speed stepping down from 20" to 16". Maybe assume a muzzle velocity of around 2,600 fps. Take that figure and your bullet's BC, and try get an estimate using the Shooter's Calculator: www.shooterscalculator.com I'll bet you're supersonic out to 1,100 yards or so.

[@carlosrobertson9674]

Published trimming data of 223 Rem case length is 1.75” Where did 1.67” come from at 2:15?

[@turbonium96]

Prg has reamers, you can probably contact dave kiff and get a reamer print, federal has a 60,75,90,100 grain factory options.

[@SocialRegressive]

I'm really curious about that 60-grain load.

[@dakotahayden6937]

Great info, thank you

[@randalloc]

What about the 223 AI [Ackley Improved] compared to these.... would have been nice to include that in this discussion as it is one of the more popular AI wildcats out there for some time as I understand.

[@SocialRegressive]

I do wish more of the Improved rounds were adopted.

[@DrTadHusseinWinslow]

Great video, but I think that you should explain better how the .22 Nosler has a rebated rim, allowing for a fatter case with more capacity.

[@1969darr]

Just like the .458 socom. The rim is smaller than the case.

[@meanman6992]

There are 80gr bullets available for 5.56 that can be seated to magazine length.

[@mikesimpson6757]

The only issue is that they aren't going to carry out beyond about 800 yards supersonic

[@willterry6390]

Who cares 800 yard for a fighting rifle is way farther then your ever going to engage

[@colsoncustoms8994]

Ooooo that 224 Valkyrie has my interest. It's like a little 6.5 Grendel.

[@johnb3685]

.224 Predator/LBC/AR IS a little grendel. Similar performance to the Valkyrie.

[@DanielMartinez-yd1ue]

Colson Customs it beats the Grendel and rivals the Creedmore actually

[@colsoncustoms8994]

Idk, a 143 grain 6.5 Creedmoor with a bc of .62 moving at 2,700 is super sonic past 1,400 yards with over 400 ftlbs at 1,400. For punching paper, yeah they would likely be similar. About like how people compare 6.5 Creedmoor to 300 win mag.

[@ssimon64]

Ballistics-wise it rivals the creedmoor, energy-wise no.

[@chrisshumake83]

Great video. Thanks

[@bradchenoweth7584]

I've been looking at a lot of alternative calibers lately. I've got my 6.5 Grendel up and running for now and its great. I was considering doing a 6mmAR with my spare billet receiver set. The .224 Valkyrie is interesting to me, but I haven't ruled out a 6mmAR. I've looked at the vast majority of AR wild cats though. 6mm Grendel, .243 LBC, 6mmAR, 6mmAR Turbo, 6mm PPC, ect. I've found a few things that stand out to me as far as choosing one of these rounds. What is your pain threshold. I reload, but I don't like to waste a ton of time doing it. I find an accurate load and I tend to stick with it. Some of those rounds require fire forming which to me is a hassle. That rules out things like the 6mmAR Turbo. You start to find some give and take between speed and what your magazines will feed. Some of the rounds are very similar. I've gathered that the difference between .243 LBC and 6mmAR is how its reloaded and the dies you use. Its kinda weird and there seems to be a lot of contradictory or confusing information out there about it. What has my interest is some claims of staying supersonic out to 1300 yards with the .224 Valkyrie. That seems to beat out the 6mm offerings based on the ballistics I've run as well as the 6.5 Grendel ballistics I've run. None of the rounds are bad, but if you're pushing 90-100 gr high bc .224 thats putting you in the range of the 6mm stuff and if you're really staying supersonic out to 1300 yards with a 90gr .224, then you're doing damn good. I'd strongly reconsider going 6mmAR provided that the .224 components were all readily available and the performance surpasses the 6mm offerings like the preliminary number make is seem. What ever I do, I wont be giving up my 6.5 Grendel. That thing is cool as hell.

[@SocialRegressive]

I've been tempted at times to try a 6mmAR build, too. I think you're right, though; 6.5 Grendel and 224 Valkyrie are hitting the problem squarely on the jaw, and it won't take a whole lot of work to get a compatible rifle and load prepped. I'm really excited to see what 224 Valkyrie can do (once we see some real-world load data).

[@bradchenoweth7584]

If the .224 Valkyrie holds up to the claim that it can stay supersonic out to 1300 yards with a 90gr SMK, then I'll be building a .224 Valkyrie over a 6mmAR. I've had some friends continually telling me I need to start competing in local matches and a .224 Valkyrie with that kind of performance would be brutal. I think the lighter more maneuverable rifle would be an advantage over a bigger heavier AR10. Especially if it has those ballistics and bucks the wind reasonably well. I still have yet to push my 6.5G to see what its capable of, but my last outing was pretty epic. Every one expects decent performance from my 700, but 4.9" at 1066 yards... lol Yeah... The 6.5G is going to get Duracoat and then I'll be pushing that one and I'm in the market for another scope because I'll soon be running a HCR in 6.5 Creedmoor as well. I've got so many gun projects right now (6.5G, 20" AR15, retuning the dissy, the race gun, a fighting dissy, soon the HCR, breaking in the G17 PF940C build, the new XDS, redoing the Sccy trigger again, ect) that I'm spread pretty thin. I have a lot of video material, but life has been kicking me in the balls lately and now Justin is hunting again.

[@gonzalez519]

Aside from the benefit of keeping the same bolt as .223/.556/.300blk i dont really see any real benefit of switching to a .22 Nosler If im going to be committing to a new cartridge and dedicating a complete AR-15 platform to it it needs to be at least 50% superior to the proven .223/.556 One example of that is the 6.5 Grendel. Either way great review.

[@followthegrow108]

Just get an ar10... why tf are people even talking about any of these

[@followthegrow108]

@james jones no it dosnt

[@chandidadi3218]

345 xfyy xfyy hi hui

[@petersouthernboy6327]

In .224 the 90gr SMK has a BC of .563. In 6.5 the 140gr SMK has a BC of .535. Given the AR-15 form factor bolt face and chamber dimensions, .224 Valkyrie smokes the Grendel in my ballistic calculator

[@trailertrashtactics]

Finished my build... Waiting for the scope to come in!

[@SocialRegressive]

What scope did you order?

[@Grand_History]

So my question would be can I use the 22, 224, and 223 on the same weapon? like can i use them interchangeably in the same mag without feeding issues?

[@SocialRegressive]

They all have the same bore diameter, but they'll need very different mechanical parts to run. New barrels, new mags, new bolt heads, and in the case of 22lr, a whole different bolt carrier group.

[@bigmike9128]

How do these rounds compare to .243 win?

[@markbozz153]

Informative vid, Tks!

[@user-un5my5bw4j]

Both my full custom AR15's I built in 5.56Nato I hand load Sierra 69gr HPBT matchkings for they seem to do best in both 14.7" and 16" Wilson Combat match barrels i use

[@garrcam9708]

Match grade hollow points are not for expansion it there to act like a air dam to keep the bullet fight straight and helps with the bullets bc. According to Sierra

[@petersouthernboy6327]

Just had three custom builders tell me NOT to bother with 22 Nosler if I reload - brass damage was rampant unless I loaded at the extreme light side of the spectrum which defeats the purpose of the cartridge entirely. All three were very excited about 224 Valkyrie - especially with Federal‘ s support.

[@Sneaky-Sneaky]

My experience at 100yds is the 223 is very accurate in my mvp....half moa

[@TommyboyGTP]

.224 looks interesting, but i'd like to see a 6mm cartridge for the AR-15 platform, something like a 6mm Grendel, if that exists.

[@USAACbrat]

6mm international 223 necked to 6mm parts are available

[@jmangus83]

People have been necking down 6.5 grendels for years. Search 6mmAR and also 6mmAR turbo 40

[@tomacton6718]

we've been turning AR barrels for long range comp use in 6x45 for quite some time. Camp Perry, The National Matches and upcoming Southwest Berger Nationals in Phoenix this month.

[@tylarhaugan7908]

Well 2 years later there is one

[@hammer2596]

The ARC is a really good cartridge

[@T1AOgorman]

Hello I got a quick question I recently purchased an AR-15 and it was said that its 225 Valkyrie with that being said am I able to shoot 223 or 556 out of it or do I have to change anything on the AR before I can?

[@SocialRegressive]

You will need to swap the barrel, bolt head, and magazines to switch to .223. It's probably easier to buy a second upper, complete with its own receiver and bolt carrier group.

[@rogerhicks3351]

I'd like to see an honest test with the 22 nosler. you can by single shooting load a 90 grain bullet out far enough in the leade to more fully load the case with powder. shoot that against the 224 valkyerie and show me how much better it is . I know you can only single load a round this way but thats how most long range shooters shoot anyway.

[@gunlover1955]

I know this is an older video but has anyone compared this to the 25 Sharps?

[@ccmogs5757]

Good point , not enough info. out there on the 25-45

[@alphasheepdog9683]

Why does everyone keep saying 75 or 77 is the limit? Have an 80 grain nosler cc load that works wonderful in my ar15...

[@Velocity4000fps]

Would have liked to see the 223 WSSM take off, barrel burner yes, but the performance was crazy.

[@SocialRegressive]

I know! .223 WSSM was like a dart with a nuke behind it.

[@billpeirce7127]

22 Nosler sounds like the best bet.😁👍❤

[@petersouthernboy6327]

At 2300-2450-ish FPS MV the 6.5 Grendel is not the answer. In 6.5 the higher BC bullets at max load run about 2400 FPS.

[@ssimon64]

Peter Southern Boy Man that is S L O W

[@halfdollar86]

Super sonic to 1300 yards. 60, 75, 90 And 100 grain offerings from federal in factory ammo. This could be a VERY INTERESTING cartridge. Would love to see this in an affordable yet accurate offering like a Savage 10. I’m willing to bet that the Savage MSRs will be chambered in it. Prolly revealed at shot show if I was to bet. 123 grain 6.5 grendel vs 90 grain 224 valk ballistic charts show the 224 valk has more velocity, less drop, and less drift than the 6.5 grendel. The grendel does have more energy from 0-900 yards then from 900-1000 the .224 valk has the same as the 6.5 grendel at 900 and beyond. What makes this caliber so interesting to me is the parent company behind it. Federal ammo and Savage could team up to make something really special.

[@SocialRegressive]

I can't wait to see an MSR-15 chambered for this.

[@gschris1]

I have it on good authority that you would be correct about the Savage MSR and a SHOT show debut..

[@halfdollar86]

Looks like my prediction for a MSR chambered in 224 valk was dead on. They just released a video on the MSR Valkyrie. Timing looks to be right as well.

[@pagedeveloper]

On the video, you show over all case length as 1.760, but in the video you say it is 1.670, which is correct??? That is at 5:19.

[@csanders41]

Your lineage of the 22-250 is a little off?? It's parent is the 250/3000 Savage, which is a child of the 7X57mm Mauser. Enjoy both of you guys, keep up the fight.

[@Lure-Benson]

7mm Mauser is longer than 22-250

[@sixgunnernick]

Good video

[@bullheadedgideon1673]

6:35 - It's interesting that the Wylde Chamber ends up helping you with heavier projectiles; yet I mostly see them with the slower slower twist-rate of 1:8 compared to 5.56's 1:7 🤔.

[@SocialRegressive]

That's true. Wylde is pretty much always 1:8. I've had no difficulty stabilizing the big bullets with 1:8.

[@bullheadedgideon1673]

@@SocialRegressive Now I regret letting my dad have mine! 😭 😆

[@DimaProk]

1.670" cartridge length for 223? @ 2:18 min. Should be 1.760 (trim length in all books 1.750)

[@lawrencespies8674]

90gr SMKs need 1:6.5 twist or faster not 1:7. Many are already finding out the 7 twist barrels are not accurate with the 90gr SMKs

[@xAeschylusx]

Your channel name is awesome.

[@50StichesSteel]

Seems to take some of the ideas behind the 6.5 Creedmoor. Lengthen out the round without widening it too much for a higher BC. Long, skinny rounds fly flatter and are less effected by wind..Its a great concept and works well both for long range precision and killing game...I finally got a chance to take a deer with a supressed 6.5 Creedmoor, Hornady 140 Gr ELD at about 200 yards. A match round that wasn't designed for hunting..Man was I impressed with its lethality..At the same time it was such a clean kill..Deer was dropped the moment the bullet hit and it rolled down the hill. The front shoulder and ribs were caved in about the diameter of a basketball with a small entrance hole. Perfect heart shot with definitive damage to vital organs but it didn't make a mess inside the deer either..It was like a magic bullet lol...So if it's anything like what the 6.5 Creed has done for the 30. caliber, this should be one hell of a round and worth investing in..Give it about a year for people and gun shops to catch up with the tech..6.5 was the same way. Hard to find at First, but now you can get it just about anywhere

[@SocialRegressive]

Great notes! I think you're absolutely right. The Valkyrie shares a lot of the same ideas as the 6.5 Creedmoor, and I bet it will be effective in a broad range of applications.

[@Shooter7point62]

I believe 30 Remington is the grand daddy of the 224 valkyrie?

[@jameshuffman1875]

Moment of inertia is the biggest factor when it comes to wind. Subsonic has little or no effect on accuracy. I wish someone would debunk that myth . You might be surprised what a 22 short can hit at 500 yards.. Set up a truly scientific study. I think you may shock the gun gurus.. Either way it would be fun .Your production is superb. Thank you

[@langleyj8199]

Good video.

[@nicholastrueblood8683]

so how does the .22 Nosler differ from the .223 Ackley Improved?

[@SocialRegressive]

Considerably more case capacity and a longer neck. The 223 AI has a sharper shoulder, though, which is kinda cool.

[@SBoth_]

What's your thoughts on the 5.7? Its a very compact round.

[@SocialRegressive]

I've never shot one, but I love the concept. Within 100 yards I can see it being a handy little thing, especially handloaded with something that can defeat armor.

[@SBoth_]

your right at 6.1 load it does very well. Also 50 rounds in a P90 clip is great in a AR.

[@SocialRegressive]

Heck yeah. That magazine capacity is a huge draw.

[@jamesoncross7494]

With the major market it always comes down to price. Guys in competition will love this round. The .223/5.56 will still rule king. The military uses it so that means lots of parts and ammo will be cheaper. Just like the .308. This is an interesting round for sure. I lie the stats on it already. Will it ever beat out the .223/5.56? Nope. That will remain mainstream.

[@sonoforygun7593]

Federal has announced a 100 gr bullet, not sure on what kind but that's a heavy load for a .22 cal. Also kinda smart on federal part with the DOD looking at a different cal for the military. As a guy who has used a AR15 in combat the .22 cal is outdated and under powered. I can see the 6.5 creedmoor as the new standard.

[@SocialRegressive]

I can't wait until someone tries running .224 Valkyrie on full auto or three-round burst. I can see it actually working pretty well if a muzzle brake is effective.

[@Oldf0x]

Based on the trouble Johnny's Reloading Bench (and others) have had with 22 Nosler, I would definitely avoid that for now.

[@SocialRegressive]

I need to watch those.

[@66branch]

I have a 22 nosler and it's fantastic. It shoots .5 moa with a 55gr. Berger at 3580fps. It's hard on brass but as a hunter I don't pick up brass afield.

[@SocialRegressive]

Crikey. I just watched the series, and it's ugly. It seemed like the conclusion was "bad brass," but I'd still be interested to try a headspace gauge on those barrels. I could see how some of the issues could have been caused by excessive headspace. Probably not all of them, though!

[@jacobzachary5631]

224 cartridge is designed to be 75 grainers and up... 90s being the norm. This isn't a speed shooter. It's a tack driver and a basically zero recoil 1k gun The nossler was trying to force more power out of basically a 223 case... pressure issues all over reported at well below target speeds. I don't think this will burn barrels like ppl think it will due too two things. 1. Better shoulder geometry. The steeper shoulder. 2. The longer neck... I have heard quite a bit about longer necks protecting barrel throats. I think 224 valk will blow away 22 nosler in the long run

[@johnganshow5536]

Does my 22-250 bolt gun still have them beat ballistically?

[@veryhappyturtle]

John Ganshow I sure hope you aren't trying to clear a room with a 22-250

[@stngcrazy]

Ballistically you will have a hard time beating a heavy bullet with a light bullet regardless what chamber you shooting it out of

[@Velocity4000fps]

22-250 is on a nother level compared.

[@koaiaknl7013]

Just make 22-250 an ar15 22-250 beats 223 in every way possible

[@MrRoboskippy]

Depends on the distance you intend to shoot. Less that 600 yards, yes. More than 600 yards, no.

[@fredeb67]

How much $ for each shot from each of these?

[@texanmarksman7879]

do u have 3 sling attachments on the front of your AR?

[@SocialRegressive]

Four, actually. I gotta rip those things off. It's a pain in the neck, though.

[@halfdollar86]

I think I Would like to have a bolt gun In 224 valk. Can’t wait to see more info. Very cool video. Depending on velocity I think a 90 grain smk would be sweet.

[@colsoncustoms8994]

.223 WSSM would be another option for a bolt gun.

[@MyLonewolf25]

22-250 may have it beat though

[@halfdollar86]

I would say 22-250 will have it beat on velocity for sure. The heavier weight in 22 cal projectile is what appeals to me. If you could get decent velocity it could be a cool cartridge.

[@leodanryan966]

Okay, so I have 5.56 AR's, .223 as well as 6.8 SPC. I think I have the bases covered. Yeah maybe this is a great cartridge but I don't see how It's a panacea. I know you didn't say it was. I'm just trying to say that there's no reason I can see to get one (for myself. )

[@markbroad119]

thank you.

[@ecash00]

sEEN SOME STRANGE THINGS WITH 410.. Persons firing different other ammo with it.. But it gets abit Scary when you go 45, 45 long, 454, 460.. A person asked if they were going to make a rifle that would handle all of these..and no one knows.. The consolation to this is that Many have found that Copper housings from the 45 long to the 454, CAN be used for the shotgun..for reloading.

[@shanek6582]

Can you fire form a 223 round in a 22 nosler chamber?

[@ssimon64]

Shane K no

[@halfdollar86]

Seen that Mossberg has a chassis rifle in 224 valk.

[@SocialRegressive]

Thanks for the heads-up! I just took a look, and it's absolutely brilliant. What a cool idea.

[@halfdollar86]

The Social Regressive your welcome. I have been wanting a 224 Valkyrie bolt gun but I think I will hold out for either a savage or a Howa. Something tells me they will be releasing one soon.

[@SocialRegressive]

Yeah, I'll bet it's just a matter of time until we see a Stealth Evolution in .224 Valkyrie.

[@ulflyng4072]

Barrel burner?

[@AndrewMartinez1776Redux]

Can the .224 take down elk? If it can, then I just might buy into this new round. I just bought into the creedmoor rage because it can take coyotes, antelope, deer, and elk. If it can take elk, let me know. Thanks.

[@SLFYSH]

Andrew Martinez a sharp stick can take elk, but isn't necessarily a good idea. There is a big difference in knockdown power between the Creedmore and the Valkyrie, but testing has now shown similar trajectories with 90-100 grain bullets in the Valkyrie, from an AR15, which I think is the point. (Close to 6.5 Creedmore range out of just an AR15 rifle).

[@keithlarsen7557]

Elk? I think its time to step up to .308. Any animal more than 500 lbs, I'd step up to .308.

[@SLFYSH]

Keith Larsen or similar, appropriate bullet weight and construction goes a long way. I purchased a 7mm-08 for my daughters to use as a min standard for elk. 160 grain partitions have proven to be very capable, and I've made sure they don't try anything long range. 300yards is our max, and 250 has been the longest shot thus far. Center shoulder shot with far side exit on a big 500 lb cow at 250 seems plenty. Effects were immediate.

[@ssimon64]

Andrew Martinez No, don't use this for elk.

[@SLFYSH]

Crazy idea! You gave the short and answer. Sincerely, I wonder if anyone asking this question has seen an elk or has any idea how far short this is of a 30-06.

[@djcmeyer11]

My AR Stoner upper in 22 Nosler with 62 grain Varmageddon is deadly. 100 yards, suppressed, 5 shots touching each other. Additional videos shooting everything from coyotes to hogs has been lights out

[@SocialRegressive]

Can you post 'em? I'd love to see. What bullet did you use on hogs?

[@zipper978]

Hopefully the military takes a look. This could be game changing 1300yard super sonic.

[@willterry6390]

ZIPPER just because it's supersonic at those ranges doesn't mean that it's very lethal at that range

[@user-un5my5bw4j]

Actually longer case neck gets less throat erosion. Shoulder angle has nothing to do with throat erosion. 30° and 40° shoulders are good because they do not stretch at all like lesser degree shoulder angle cartridges

[@Liemciemdk89]

22 valkyrie case capacity say 30g, vs 22 nosler 35g. Nice to see if JP enterprises high pressure bolt ar15 the ar10 high pressure bolt definitely does work. update on 22 nosler brass still sucks

[@hossor123]

Did he say the 75gr hornady bthp des not expand???

[@SocialRegressive]

Yup. If you look up ballistic gel tests with the 77-gr SMK and the 75-gr BTHP you'll see that they act just like FMJ bullets, relying on tumbling to produce real damage.

[@hossor123]

The Social Regressive The pigs and deer we shot over here beg to differ! The 75gr expands the 77gr sierra i have not tried.. A quick online search gave me this: Just finished up testing the Hornady 223 75gr BTHP round (#80265) from my 1 in 7 Palmetto State Armory 14.7'' CHF 1 in 7 twist barrel. The test was shot at 15 ft, 60 degrees, and 300 ft of elevation and the Clear Ballistics FBI spec gel block was used with 4 layers of denim. Results: -2386fps, 948 ft/lbs energy -Expansion/fragmentation started at the 4'' -Jacket separation occurred at 10'' -Deepest penetration point was 19''

[@hossor123]

The 75gr from a 24" tube expands quite violently.. as do most match hp bullets.

[@ryanwright2538]

How do these cartridges compare to 6.5 grendal?

[@SocialRegressive]

That will be the interesting comparison. There's a good possibility that the heavier Valkyrie bullets will suffer less in a crosswind, but we'll just have to see.

[@duckslayer11000]

They don't :p

[@ssimon64]

Grendel can't keep up with this cartridge.

[@reedpond6867]

I think the Barnes TTSX 55 gr will work well in both the 22 Nosler & 224 Valkyrie!!!

[@SocialRegressive]

Now that's a great point. Those copper bullets will be longer overall, and I could see them liking a long throat and high twist rate.

[@reedpond6867]

Do you remember the Barnes "Blue Pills"?

[@worddunlap]

There's just so much market to be had and it is saturated. Nosler is good as dead, Remington is behind Valkryie and just doing the math, its better if someone is concerned with potential accuracy.

[@SocialRegressive]

There's a lot of industry support for the Valkyrie. I think this one has a chance.

[@mikesimpson6757]

I just don't understand the development of these new cartridges that really don't bring anything new to the table. Even the 6.5 Creedmoor is nothing but a different variant of the Remington 260

[@boostben]

The only thing I can see the .224 used for is AR-15 based rifles. Once you get into short action bolt guns you might as well go with the tried and true .243 Win. You can also get .243 Win AR-10 rifles that work ok if you don't mind some extra weight. I did some load testing on a friends .243 Win AR-10 and it wasn't easy getting a nice heavy load that would play nice with the gas system. I suspect the same issues with the .224 Valk in AR-15 based guns....

[@ssimon64]

Ben Cork Agreed. Really the whole point of this cartridge is accurate long range shooting out of an AR-15 action.

[@stngcrazy]

This better come with a 1-7 twist barrel

[@SocialRegressive]

That's what I'm guessing. And maybe if there are some with longer twists, the varmint use could be feasible.

[@jmartin9059]

*IF I WANT a supercharged AR-22X centerfire I will prefer to 'add barrel length' rather than change cartridge and fight with specialty magazines, improper feeding, jamming, and less available ammo. IF a long barrel 223 is not enough : AR-10, AR-308, AR-22/250, AR-6.5-Creedmoor are becoming more available.*

[@rdsii64]

If I cant launch a 90 grain bullet at 2700 FPS this is something I am interested in.

[@pippupaladin]

Wow your video is loud. Not really a complaint just to let you know your audio levels on this were turned up to 11

[@ctsteve1967]

good most videos have low vol. jd just adjust your control.

[@XaviarJS]

I wonder how the 224 valkyrie would compare to the 223 wssm..

[@SocialRegressive]

:D I'll tell you one thing - the barrels will sure last longer!

[@georgezink8256]

If Remington would bring out their model 7 light weight rifle in 224 Valkyrie with 22 inch barrel

[@davidunderwood3605]

The 22 Nosler is not a big enough improvement for the hype it trying put out there. Too many reloader complaint of case destruction on rim even fro factory loading. Sombody needs to improve the bolt handeling it or slow down extraction to improve rim abuse. If it can't be reloaded due to rim abuse then it won't keep a strong following.

[@TheBlazeboy69]

I have to chamber load 77gr pills in both my HK556 and SR15.

[@quincyjames6839]

5:19 1.670 lol 1.760"

[@thebaddest2562]

22 nosler is chit brass makes reloading suck hoping the valkerie is better

[@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS]

224 Valkyrie should take off because of. range. and bullet weight. Bye Bye 6.5 Creedmoor .

[@MJ-ii3ss]

.22x is still lacking...im still a fan of 30cal and up. That being said. 204ruger perfect 20cal

[@SocialRegressive]

I'm curious to see what .20 Nosler is like, too.

[@tobyh3681]

+M J indeed...the .204 damn near matches the 22-250 at long range.

[@l4n0l1n]

This valkyrie with the 100 gr fusion load is 35% more energy on impact at 200M than a .30-30 winchester.

[@mapled3135]

This caliber will probably kill the Grendel and completely destroy the SPC.

[@frankbath223]

why not stay with 243 over the 224

[@SocialRegressive]

I released this video before 6mm ARC existed. Now I'm 6ARC all the way.

[@billpeirce7127]

Good vedio though.🙂

[@somphongxaysana7409]

High wind speed will have the 22-250 beat..

[@isidroramirez1725]

224 Valkyrie trying to compete with 6.5 grendel????

[@halfdollar86]

Isidro Ramirez that crossed my mind too.

[@ostiariusalpha]

+Isidro Ramirez Not particularly. 6.5 Grendel is a heavy hitting intermediate that retains energy really well over distance, this makes it good for hunting and sort of okay for target shooting; it's trajectory at long distance is only a little better that 5.56x45mm and 7.62x51mm. The .224 Valkyrie creams the lot of them at flat trajectory and bucking wind; it is a much more dedicated target cartridge, that competes mostly (and has more in common) with other benchrest cartridges such as 6mm PPC and 6mm AR.

[@isidroramirez1725]

ostiariusalpha that is very interesting info but I consider 6.5 grendel way better than 223, very close to 308(7.62X51) I will do more research on those 2 cartridges my very personal opinion is I like 6.5 grendel due to good ballistics, price and availability for factory ammo also easy to get parts to build an new upper

[@ostiariusalpha]

+Isidro Ramirez I love my 6.5 Grendel guns, they're soft shooting, and put coyotes and whitetails down with authority; I also get fantastic results shooting at targets past 800 yards. That said, you won't find it anywhere in the top ranks of competitive benchrest shooting, which is currently dominated by 6mm bullets. If you want a great intermediate hunting cartridge that retains energy out to distance and has pretty decent ballistics, then the Grendel has you covered in spades. But if you want a target cartridge that has absurdly fantastic external ballistics, sneering at wind drift and bullet drop past well 1000 yards, then .224 Valkyrie is utterly unmatched amongst those intermediate cartridges that won't burn out the throat of your barrel in a few hundred rounds. If you don't care about barrel life, the WSSM series of cartridges are always beckoning for new suckers.

[@convex7456]

Isidro Ramirez 6.5 Grendel can be had at 25cents a round. Wolf makes 6.5G

[@paulwiggins183]

I think what we have here is capitalism in action... something new in the public marketplace, keeps the retail trip rolling where there is disposable wealth. I would refer you to Zediker's work on the 22PPC of many years ago on the match rifle game.Ten years ago. Also Salazar's efforts in benchrest. Some of this stuff on the internet is, indeed... regressive.

[@stevelewis7263]

Do you BLINK

[@SocialRegressive]

Apparently not often. I never noticed before.

[@Johnyrocket70]

6.5 Grendel is still the King of the AR15

[@EBearish]

Hardly. The 270AR and 7mm Valkyrie smoke it.

[@petersouthernboy6327]

224 Valkyrie is very close ballistically to 6.5 Creedmoor - 6.5 Grendel doesn’t have the MV to compete; it’s about 200 FPS shy of Valkyrie @ 90gr and certainly can’t stay supersonic out to 1300 yards !

[@DuoBart0n]

with what math?

[@LuvBorderCollies]

Grendel = good. 25WSSM = MUCH better. :)

[@ssimon64]

JB No it's not and it never was.