Ultra Rare 1948 Peugeot 202 Revival

[@flyingarts6765]

Not hypoid, it's a worm drive that uses special Castrol non EP oil based on castor oil. The worm wheel is made of bronze and modern gear oil will attack the bronze.

[@Watchmaker_Gereon-Schloesser]

very good comment! YES - one should take GREAT care in choosing the right oils for these old "chéries" ! I had some problem with my gear-box oil (for old 2CV/ Dyane). Finally I found a good one: The german brand/company Liqui-Moly Top Tec MTF 5200 75W-80. Before in the hot summer after the Autobahn/ Highway the 3rd gear was crashing a bit if shifted upwards.

[@stevevarholy2011]

I'm hear just to see all the comments from folks that know alot about these cars so I can learn something. It always amazes me that no matter how rare or unusual a vehicle, there's at least two (or more) of you that have experience with them.

[@kentonblair8848]

Enjoy your posts. I had a Dauphine many years ago, great engine. On the torque tube, there is a universal joint inside at the transmission connection, it has to move, so has to have either a conventional joint or a fabric joint. Ford "T" used them throughout their life and the trucks had a worm gear differential which looks a lot like your Peugot. Great project, keep up the good work.

[@aubreylionswings8889]

I am by no means at any level of expertise as you, but may I introduce you to evaporust. I had wheel cylinders looking much like these for my 75 courier. This stuff is no joke. It will make rusted parts look like new overnight.

[@vanceblosser2155]

I owned two 403s which were very similar in mechanical layout to this car. As others have pointed out the rear axle has an underslung worm gear and it's sensitive to the proper lubricant. They used these until the late 60s when they switched to a hypoid final drive. Be careful on the transmission oil - on the 403s and 404s they used engine oil in the transmission, there are bronze parts in there and regular gear oil will destroy it fairly quickly. Guess how I know! It's likely the engine timing is set by a slot in the flywheel and a hole in the bell housing, you insert a rod in the hole and slowly turn the engine over until the rod slips into the flywheel notch, then the timing is set statically with a light bulb connected to the distributor. What you identified as a sensor under the radiator cap is actually the pressure release, since the cap is solid it can't vent the pressure. The disk in the center of the pipe has a spring behind it that allows it to open when the pressure is too high. The 403 used an identical setup except the cap was made of bakelite. The wheels were made by Michelin for the various companies (they owned Citroen) and they all headed to a common design. The predecessor to the Dauphine, the 4CV, had a different wheel that bolted to the rim and the center stayed on the car.

[@allenschmitz9644]

and so French.

[@ericwhitehead6451]

Neat little car. Cool to see how different European cars were compared to US/North American cars from back then.

[@Watchmaker_Gereon-Schloesser]

for the Europeans that car was not little xD Quite normal size! I like some US- Cars also a lot, like the 1933 Chrysler CU Airflow (waterfall grill) or the 1949's Nash (Airflyte), 1927 improved Ford-Mod. T - GREAT cars!

[@wolfgangweber9924]

You get the coolest cars! I am very partial to Peugeot because I owned two Peugeot 304. this 202 is a predecessor of the FWD 204 and the 304 was mechanically identical to the 204 but was restyled to provide a larger trunk. I believe the rear axle has a worm drive rather than a differential. Peugeot kept the worm drive all the way to the 504 model. I can't wait to see this one all fixed up!

[@jimwhittemore1610]

One of my favorites with headlights in the grill

[@Watchmaker_Gereon-Schloesser]

Yes, no other car had/has that. This car was also in the Film "An American in Paris" with Gene Kelly (I do Tapdance, so, I like that movie, logically)

[@zonie1953]

The "D" on the one knob is for Demarrer ! Means start !😊

[@Watchmaker_Gereon-Schloesser]

Oui, c'est correcte! :D

[@peterelvery]

Hi Mark. Re the suspension. The rear are actually quarter leaf springs (i.e. quarter elliptical) and the front has a transverse half leaf, like a Fiat 500, 600 or 850.

[@k8zhd]

And most famously, the Model T Ford. (Of course that one wasn't an independent suspension.)

[@Watchmaker_Gereon-Schloesser]

"let's twist again" xD .... leaf springs and the Ford-T's

[@Watchmaker_Gereon-Schloesser]

Hey (dear) Mark! I must THANK you! It's the first time I see that fine car in a detailed video! VERY well done! I have an article from 2019 from the french old time car magazine "Gasoline" of that Peugeot 202. Great that you are showing us also YOUR learing experiences. It takes a strong backbone to show / admit errors. I like that. We are all humans and learning. I'm learning also from you! Perhaps you like to hear/read my ideas: + Removing rust - can be done in a fine way chemically via simple citron (Citroën hahaha xD ) juice. The advantage is that it's ONLY removing the rust nothing else. You could take vingear also. 24 hours do the trick. Normal temperature 20 * Celsius. + If it's allowed to say: If you are honing, better to grind/work cylindrical NEVER along in a cylinder as the "scratches" along could make way for the brake fluid. + Some interesting about braking fluid - the carmakers from the east (DDR/ GDR pre 1989) and russia used a braked fluid which is called BSK. It's based on castor oil and some alcohol stuff. If you have a "Trabbi" (the Trabant THE car of the former GDR/ DDR) very seldom you have blocked braking cylinders - THANKS to that castor oil in that brake fluid. Today you can get only DOT3 or DOT4 in the usual car stores. Mark Bradenwerper(?) in the US have tried some mixtures to achieve the OLD LHS (1) Liquide Hydraulique Synthétique (the true red liquid -- castor oil! ) for the 1st DS19's. On his webpage he wrote that DOT3 (or4) with 18% (or to make it easy at max. 20%) with castor oil is making the SAME cosistency like the first LHS. The trick is the castor oil, because it gives a lubricant in that very hygroscopic DOT3-4 braking fluid. My Dyane have used since 3 years where I overhauled the brakes the DOT4. But I will order very soon 1 or 5 Litres of castor oil. Rolls Royce had big problems with the lubrication of the Citroën suspension system. I think normal brakefluid and EVEN the LHS2 (from the german company Pentosin) is too dry. All over all that car reminds me of my Dyane (1967) a luxury 2CV, but the technic is based from 1938 and the 2CV made before 1968 are the UR-2CV (UR mean very first). Braking cylinders, braking shoes, brake hoses, looks all very close to my Dyane. You are very right with the tires. Looks very close to the 2CVs, but a bit larger I think. I loved the videos whit you and the NASH 1949. THE best car from the famous US-time of the 1950's. Perhaps you like to ask the owner if he could make a video update from it. You are making great videos! Thank you! Takes a lot of time - I KNOW THAT (I have also a few on my channel) Cordial greetings! (herzliche Grüße!) from Switzerland (but I'm born north German) Géréon

[@GoliathAngelus]

People would not think that Peugeot one of the oldest brand and auto makers is. The Peugeot family of Valentigney, Montbéliard, Franche-Comté, France began in the manufacturing business in 1810 with a steel foundry, which quickly started manufacturing saws; then other hand tools and, circa 1840 to 1842, coffee grinders; then, in 1874, pepper grinders; and then, circa 1880, bicycles.[10] The company's entry into the vehicle market was by means of crinoline dresses, which used steel rods, leading to umbrella frames, chisels, wire wheels, and bicycles.[11] Armand Peugeot introduced his "Le Grand Bi" penny-farthing in 1882, along with a range of other bicycles. Peugeot also produced bicycles starting in 1882 in Beaulieu, France (with ten Tour de France wins between 1903 and 1983), followed by motorcycles and cars in 1889. In the late 1980s Peugeot sold the North American rights to the Peugeot bicycle name to ProCycle, a Canadian company which also sold bicycles under the CCM and Velo Sport names.[86] The European rights were briefly sold to Cycleurope S.A., returning to Peugeot in the 1990s.[87] Today, the Peugeot bicycle brand name remains within the Cycleurope S.A. portfolio Peugeot's previous logo was introduced on January 8, 2010 and it was used around 11 years until February 24, 2021. The company's logo, initially a lion walking on an arrow, symbolized the speed, strength, and flexibility of the Peugeot saw blades.[13] The car and motorcycle company and the bicycle company parted ways in 1926, but the family-owned Cycles Peugeot continued to build bicycles throughout the 20th century until the brand name was sold off to unrelated firms. The family-owned firm Peugeot Saveurs continues to make and market(pepper and coffee) grinders and other kitchen and table-service equipment. TAs of 2021, the separate Peugeot-family-owned firm Peugeot Saveurs, previously named PSP Peugeot, continues to make and market pepper grinders, salt grinders, corkscrews for wine bottles, cutlery, tableware, and other kitchen- and table-service equipment(they still make worlds best pepper grinders by the way). Early motor vehicles Armand Peugeot became interested in the automobile early on and, after meeting with Gottlieb Daimler and others were convinced of its viability. The first Peugeot automobile, a three-wheeled, steam-powered car designed by Léon Serpollet, was produced in 1889; only four examples were made.[14] Steam power was heavy and bulky and required lengthy warmup times. In 1890, after meeting Daimler and Émile Levassor, steam was abandoned in favour of a four-wheeled car with a petrol-fuelled internal combustion engine built by Panhard under Daimler licence. The car was more sophisticated than many of its contemporaries, with a three-point suspension and a sliding-gear transmission.[15] An example was sold to the young Alberto Santos-Dumont, who exported it to Brazil. More cars followed, 29 being built in 1892, 40 in 1894, 72 in 1895, 156 in 1898, and 300 in 1899.[14] These early models were given "type" numbers. Peugeot became the first manufacturer to fit rubber tyres (solid, rather than pneumatic) to a petrol-powered car.[citation needed] Due to family discord, Armand Peugeot founded the Société des Automobiles Peugeot, in 1896, but in 1910 it was merged back with the family's Peugeot bicycle and motorcycle business. Peugeot Motocycles company remained a major producer of scooters, underbones, mopeds, and bicycles in Europe, as of 2018.[84][85] Peugeot produced an electric motor scooter, the Peugeot Scoot'Elec, from 1996 to 2006, and was projected to re-enter the market in 2011 with the E-Vivacity Peugeot was an early pioneer in motor racing, with Albert Lemaître winning the world's first motor race, the Paris-Rouen, in a 3 hp Peugeot. Five Peugeots qualified for the main event, and all finished. Lemaître finished 3 min 30 sec behind the Comte de Dion whose steam-powered car was ineligible for the official competition.[17] Three Peugeots were entered in the Paris-Bordeaux-Paris, where they were beaten by Panhard's car[18] (despite an average speed of 20.8 km/h (12.9 mph)[19] and taking the 31,500 franc prize).[19] This also marked the debut of Michelin pneumatic tyres in racing,[20] also on a Peugeot; they proved insufficiently durable.[17] Nevertheless, the vehicles were still very much horseless carriages in appearance and were steered by a tiller. In 1896, the first Peugeot engines were built; no longer were they reliant on Daimler. Designed by Rigoulot, the first engine was an 8 hp (6.0 kW) horizontal twin fitted to the back of the Type 15.[20] It also served as the basis of a nearly exact copy produced by Rochet-Schneider.[20] Further improvements followed: the engine moved to the front on the Type 48 and was soon under a bonnet at the front of the car, instead of hidden underneath; the steering wheel was adopted on the Type 36, and they began to look more like the modern car. Also in 1896, Armand Peugeot broke away from Les Fils de Peugeot Frères to form his own company, Société Anonyme des Automobiles Peugeot, building a new factory at Audincourt to focus entirely on cars.[20] In 1899, sales hit 300; total car sales for all of France that year were 1,200.[20] The same year, Lemaître won the Nice-Castellane-Nice Rally in a special 5,850 cc (357 cu in) 20 hp (14.9 kW) racer.[20] At the 1901 Paris Salon, Peugeot debuted a tiny shaft-driven 652 cc (40 cu in) 5 hp (3.7 kW) one-cylinder, dubbed "Bébé" ("baby"), and shed its conservative image, becoming a style leader.[21] After placing 19th in the 1902 Paris-Vienna Rally with a 50 hp (37.3 kW) 11,322 cc (691 cu in) racer, and failing to finish with two similar cars, Peugeot quit racing.[21] In 1898, Peugeot Motocycles presents at the Paris Motorshow the first motorcycle equipped with a Dion-Bouton motor. Peugeot Motocycles remains the oldest motorcycle manufacturer in the world. Peugeot added motorcycles to its range in 1901, and they have been built under the Peugeot name ever since. By 1903, Peugeot produced half of the cars built in France, and they offered the 5 hp (4 kW) Bébé, a 6.5 hp (4.8 kW) four-seater, and an 8 hp (6.0 kW) and 12 hp (8.9 kW) resembling contemporary Mercedes models.[21] The 1907 salon showed Peugeot's first six-cylinder and marked Tony Huber joining as an engine builder.[21] By 1910, Peugeot's product line included a 1,149 cc (70 cu in) two-cylinder and six four-cylinders, of between two and six liters. In addition, a new factory opened the same year at Sochaux, which became the main plant in 1928.[22] A more famous name, Ettore Bugatti, designed the new 850 cc (52 cu in) four-cylinder Bébé of 1912.[21] The same year, Peugeot returned to racing with a team of three driver-engineers (a breed typical of the pioneer period, exemplified by Enzo Ferrari among others): Jules Goux (graduate of Arts et Metiers, Paris), Paolo Zuccarelli (formerly of Hispano-Suiza), and Georges Boillot (collectively called Les Charlatans), with 26-year-old Swiss engineer Ernest Henry to make their ideas reality. The company decided voiturette (light car) racing was not enough, and chose to try grandes épreuves (grand touring). They did so with an engineering tour de force: a dual overhead camshaft (DOHC) 7.6-liter four-cylinder (110x200 mm) with four valves per cylinder.[23] It proved faster than other cars of its time, and Boillot won the 1912 French Grand Prix at an average of 68.45 mph (110.2 km/h), despite losing third gear and taking a 20-minute pit stop.[24] In May 1913, Goux took one to Indianapolis, and won at an average of 75.92 mph (122.2 km/h), recording straightaway speeds of 93.5 mph (150.5 km/h).[24] making Peugeot the first non-American-based auto company to win at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway. In 1914, Boillot's 3-liter L5 set a new Indy lap record of 99.5 mph (160.1 km/h), and Duray placed second (beaten by ex-Peugeot ace René Thomas in a 6,235 cc (380 cu in) Delage).[25] Another (driven by Boillot's brother, André) placed in 1915; similar models won in 1916 (Dario Resta) and 1919 (Howdy Wilcox). For the 1913 French Grand Prix, an improved L5 (with 5,655 cc (345 cu in) engine) was produced with a pioneering ballbearing crankshaft, gear-driven camshafts, and dry sump lubrication, all of which soon became standard on racing cars; Zuccarelli was killed during testing on public roads,[24] but Boillot easily won the event, making him (and Peugeot) the race's first double winner.[25] For the 1914 French GP, Peugeot was overmatched by Mercedes, and despite a new innovation, four-wheel brakes (against the Mercedes' rear-only), Georges proved unable to match them and the car broke down.[25] (Surprisingly, a 1914 model turned a 103 mph (165.8 km/h) lap in practice at Indy in 1949, yet it failed to qualify.)[26] Peugeot was more fortunate in 1915, winning at the French GP and Vanderbilt Cup.[26] During the First World War, Peugeot turned largely to arms production, becoming a major manufacturer of arms and military vehicles, from armoured cars and bicycles to shells. Between 1917 and 1920 the company produced 4,084 Type 1525 trucks. Wikipedia

[@allenschmitz9644]

And its French.

[@Watchmaker_Gereon-Schloesser]

good comment. Did you wrote that all by your own? Or copy and paste [ ? ]

[@Watchmaker_Gereon-Schloesser]

@@allenschmitz9644 Does it makes that better ? Get me right, I love Citroëns and this Peugeot...

[@allenschmitz9644]

I had a 504...loved it.@@Watchmaker_Gereon-Schloesser

[@Kleine_Lisa_1]

Mark, you are a really good mechanic and I would like to bring my car to you, if Iwasen´t in Austria. I like that you try to pronouce the french brands correctkly. Greetings from Austria

[@Watchmaker_Gereon-Schloesser]

Liebe Grüße nach Österreich! Ein paar deutschsprachige Fans hat der Mark ja! xD Herzliche Grüße! Géréon (Schweiz, aber geborener Landhannoveraner, jetzt zwischen Oberwallis und Genfersee)

[@Kleine_Lisa_1]

@@Watchmaker_Gereon-Schloesser Herzliche Grüße zurück!

[@peugeotco]

Nice to see you have a Peugeot 202 in the US! On the internet I spotted a few more but you won't find a lot of them over there. Here in the Netherlands we have a few more, but also pretty rare over here. I see some parts of your car that are not original but they will work nicely I think. Hope you will get it driving soon!

[@600miles]

7:51 My '37 Ford has same thing - flex line off the master & clamped to the torque tube. 8:57 On the '37 they call it a Buggy Spring. 9:41 The '37 has that too, wish mine was still there. 17:17 Be Happy - It's Friday the 13th.

[@73honda350]

400 tires would be about 16".

[@jandezwaan7491]

Hi, i suggest you drain the new oil you have used for the differential because you need to use mineral oil because of it's bronze wurm wheel it wil be destroyed by using normal differential oil!!

[@tombob671]

" out here in Oklahoma we ain't never seen no Pew-gott" looks like an Italian car. It has the 3 lug wheels like a lot of French cars. Interesting, thanks

[@marcellucassen8033]

2:46 I believe they are actually Michelin wheels, I have seen rims that have 'michelin' stamped into them. Michelin rims used by many french car manufacturers it seems, at least back then.

[@markbehr88]

Very cool. This one is ten years younger than mine.

[@randyc8171]

The rear springs are Semi elliptic springs.

[@k8zhd]

Actually, as another has said, those are quarter eliptics.

[@Watchmaker_Gereon-Schloesser]

I forgot one important thing: + To mix 1% 2-stroke (you will love that xD) oil into the common gas. It gives a slight lubrication. Ray Leno said, that in the old days the gas was much more oilier that todays. Today you have dry hands (ethanol) and in the day of our cars (pre 1968) you hand oily hands (he said)

[@baronvonzach6109]

These wheels were supplied by Michelin to pretty much all French car makes. They are metric (400mm) and must be fitted with appropriate tyres. Have fun obtaining them and most of all paying for them.

[@douglasfur3808]

"Pretty unusual". Right on both, pretty and unusual. Thanks for sharing. And it's only 2 years older than me "century" is a bit much. I'd guess 74 or 75 depending on when the model year started

[@Ragnar8504]

Looks like it had trafficators (in front of the doors, might have been removed) and now has aftermarket amber indicators front and rear, the typical central European setup. And of course proper French yellow headlights.

[@craigp8430]

Careful what oil goes in diff, Peugeot like special oils.

[@Watchmaker_Gereon-Schloesser]

YES!

[@oliverw3646]

Wow, I had never seen a 202 in the U.S. before. Wonder how it got here

[@MLFranklin]

Reminds me of a Fiat Topolino

[@54mgtf22]

Hey Stella 🐶

[@johnmorrow7080]

In the 80's the garage I worked in was a Vauxhall dealer service centre our head office was Nissan it changed to Peugeot the first Peugeot I had to jig the mechanics could not remove the torque tube when taking out the engine and gearbox so took the back axle out as well , we had to manhandle the body onto the jig I have never been a fan of them since .

[@jamespn]

Almost looks like a stretched Citroen 2CV.

[@Watchmaker_Gereon-Schloesser]

NOOOOOOO xD How dare you....! 1948 much better quality. And thicker steels, allthough I'm a fan of early 2CVs (I have a 1967 Dyane)

[@jamespn]

@@Watchmaker_Gereon-Schloesser I see, but can it carry a basket of eggs across a farmer’s field without breaking any?

[@Watchmaker_Gereon-Schloesser]

@@jamespn yes, that is VERY true! Workes!

[@bobm2331]

I like the videos but you don't "show" how you perform some of the work. For me, that type of content helps. Thanks

[@edward002gaming]

It looks like a citroën 2cv a Volkswagen beetle and a rolls Royce had a child

[@craigp8430]

Odd , the 202 was born before 2cv or beetle. Maybe they are the 202 kids.😄😄😄

[@edward002gaming]

@@craigp8430 never knew that lol

[@pleasedontwatchthese9593]

Something seems off with the editing of this video

[@oldskool1979]

Lets see more Accord resto videos...

[@barryphillips7327]

The shape is very much Fiat Topolino ( small mouse ) NEAT little car! NEEDS ORIGINAL type of seats NOT modern ones!!!!!!!! I HOPE it goes to a GOOD Home it Deserves to be around many MANY MORE years and LOOKED AFTER!!!!!!!!!!!! Modern cars are SO BORING they ALL look 😪😡😪 EXACTLY the SAME 😡😠😡

[@Watchmaker_Gereon-Schloesser]

right you are! Since 1968 ALL cars are carp in terms of quality. Esp. for the steel...

[@barryphillips7327]

Look how many Model A Fords are still around, they used good quality steel Love the older cars Modern cars are sleep inducingly BORING!!!!!!!!!!! They ALL look the bl**dy same HORRIBLE!!!!!!!!!!! NOT for me!!!!!!!

[@petermoto409]

Citroen is pronounced "sit-tren".

[@andreamills5852]

Looks like something the Nazis would've commandeered on their way into Paris.

[@delukxy]

Rear axle is hypoid. Peugeot used this type up to at least the 404. Petrol filter is the wrong way round.

It's a worm drive. Hypoid is the type used in most rear axles today.

[@delukxy]

Agreed. I was going to say worm but got side tracked when I saw the Penrite hypoid oil. My bad.

[@cartmanrlsusall]

French mechanicals are crap but you have to admit they have style