The Complicated "NYT Best Seller List" Explained | 2 To Ramble #97

[@brandonmacky]

Still waiting on Richard’s and Austin’s Top 10 Books list

[@ryanskeff]

I love that y'all are finally a *real* podcast. At first when I found the channel I felt it right 'here', but now that you're a KZbin Times Best Listening Podcast I feel it right "heerrreeee". Also, finish your draft Austin!

[@jweather66]

That "Richard noOoOOo 👉👈" showed me a whole new side of Austin

[@kate3082]

😂😂😂

[@2ToRamble]

Oh god 😂

[@dream.Allsummer]

The number of times this episode completely derailed is hilarious 😆 that being said, still a very interesting conversation to have. …also that one argument definitely had me going - do I need to give you guys a moment? 😂 😝

[@2ToRamble]

😂😂

[@koboldmartian4063]

I canceled my family vacation so I could listen to this podcast.

[@Jawright90]

Wish y’all could just keep joking and talking freely without worrying about getting cancelled. Love y’all!

[@Smileysmiley012]

Found y’all not that long ago and I genuinely look forward to y’all uploading

[@2ToRamble]

Ahhh thankya! We’ll keep em coming 👊👊

[@SShamus]

Congratulations on 20K y'all 😊

[@2ToRamble]

Thanks so much 👊

[@summeroftheseasons1568]

Too good! I have learned something new today lol great episode guys! You teeter-my-totter

[@2ToRamble]

🙌🙏

[@storky1456]

Happy birthday summer!

[@summeroftheseasons1568]

@@storky1456 hahah thanks Salty 😂

[@Thomas.R.Howell]

Just finished Shadow Rising. Based off my reading speed, I’ve finished every WoT just in time for your book reviews. Hopefully this means your book 4 review will be soon 👀

[@corvinscorner]

Thanks for this!! I'm currently trying to kill time in the hospital (recovering from top surgery) and you uploaded this just at the right moment! :)

[@2ToRamble]

Wishing you a speedy recovery!!

[@jamesalexander958]

You should put your chapter one draft out for feedback. One of the hardest things to get is eyes on your stuff. And even harder is to get honest or well thought-out feedback. I know I can read a chapter and usually tell if there are any major issues that need worked on

[@2ToRamble]

I am a part fo a great writing group which helps tremendously!

[@rextitan]

I gotta say it is weird how many 2ToRamble episodes there are where schindler's list specifically gets mentioned by Austin. Like i'm sure it can't be THAT many but its way more than I'd expect XD

[@2ToRamble]

Now that you mention it…youre kinda right 😂

[@ewitsdonovan]

Guys, I’m 30 minutes in. I don’t think this is the meme video.

[@shmumpie]

Congrats on 20k fellas

[@2ToRamble]

Thank you!!

[@aidanh3444]

Can't wait to hear your discussion on "How To Lose A Time War"!

[@2ToRamble]

😁🥂

[@DiggerdanReads]

This topic was wayyyy more interesting than I thought it was going to be. Great video guys!

[@2ToRamble]

Thank you!! Glad you got something out of it 🤌

[@Jillybeanzxo]

Austin: “You teeter my totter can mean different things” Rich: “that’s not how words work” 😂😂🤣 I’m dying

[@grtomam]

looking forward to reading your book!

[@2ToRamble]

Ahhh thankyou!

[@MovedbyTruth]

I, personally, don't believe the overall number of Goodreads ratings for Fourth Wing are authentic. That book had over 100,000 ratings a couple weeks after it released and reach over 1 million ratings just 6 months after that. It currently holds a 4.62/5 which makes it one of the highest rated books in history, when you factor in the number of ratings. Yet, pretty much every booktuber I've seen talk about it say it's not worth the hype. I'm pretty well convinced that Rebecca Yarros hired that company you referred to (or another like it) that guarantees you get a NY Times best seller. And I think one of the ways they do this is by paying large numbers of people to give glowing reviews and ratings for a book as soon as it comes out, which garners it a lot of initial hype. For a book that's the first in a series, by an author not known for fantasy, to have it's Goodreads ratings climb at a faster rate than Harry Potter books does not add up. I understand some books reaching much high numbers than others, but the way it skyrocketed from day 1 of it's release just doesn't make sense to me. Why would a first book in a series, written by someone who has never written fantasy, need no time for word of mouth to spread for it to explode the way it did?

[@abbeyroche2983]

Preach

[@willnewell9242]

you guys can do it i love the content and i used to be obsessed with books and you guys got me back into it so ty :)

[@2ToRamble]

🙏🥂

[@arabellawillow]

I love seeing videos like this! Any conversation around the publishing industry and its many levels of complexity tweaks my interest 🎉 you guys are also funny as hell so it keeps it fresh 🤙🏼😅 p.s. .. can I have the skeleton stuffy?

[@2ToRamble]

Thank you so much but NO! Books and this stuffed animal is all we have to our name

[@B-MC]

"Ummm actually", theres a type of word category that is SPECIFICALLY words that mean both their meaning and their opposite. I can never remember what the word is, but as a grammar nerd i love that it exists. Contronym! "dust, which means to add small particles to something or to remove small particles from something."

[@2ToRamble]

Wooo You tell him!

[@clawstruckwizard9847]

Video Idea each of you gets 5-10ish CrAzy reviews for each other’s favorite book and guess it. Like Mr Sunday movies videos but with books

[@2ToRamble]

Great idea!

[@arlissbunny]

To me the biggest travesty of the NYT Bestseller List is that in two years Spare will be on remainder tables for $5 and still not selling but innumerable SFF titles will still be selling at a low but steady rate week in/week out. The NYT list doesn’t tell us much over time.

[@PistachioGold]

I know ramble is the name of the game but sometimes its so unhinged like 31:28 😂😂 love it ❤❤❤

[@EmGrace_]

I'm intrigued by your book club! Only thing is I live in England so what that's 5 hours difference? Thinking what times do you usually meet?

[@2ToRamble]

We typically meet 4pm est. We actually have a some people from England in the group already.

[@EmGrace_]

@@2ToRamble Ohh that could work for me! I like the sound of being part of community of readers. I may have to join :)

[@UmairKhan-yg8sm]

Omg this ship teeters my totter 🥹🥹 Richard and Austin for life 🫶🫶

[@KR-nh9sb]

You guys are growing so welll congrats

[@2ToRamble]

Thankyou!!

[@jacintatate]

Im curious about amazon kindle books. Do the new York Times take into consideration the most books bought and downloaded from Amazon?

[@user-mu5sl4vh7m]

2ToRamble videos always teeter my totters

[@2ToRamble]

😁😁🙏

[@andrewnewman02]

This is not the meme video. Where is the meme video?

[@Godsmack477x]

Its about that time to start questioning when the Shadow Rising review is coming out. :)

[@davidranderson1]

I don't recall if you touched on this, but I'm sure it's not just retailers who give a "NYT Best Seller" extra attention. It's probably also reviewers, interview shows, etc. who think their audience will not only expect it but may be more likely to read, watch, or listen if they cover the book. Then, the reading public starts to feel a little FOMO because "everyone else" seems to be reading it.

[@2ToRamble]

Very true!

[@FancyTuna77]

Interesting conversation! I never knew it was based on random bookstores. That sounds so biased towards the general population of the town the bookstore is in (some towns being more diverse than others). I also wonder how much those recommendation index cards bookstore employees often put next to the books they recommend affect the sales of those books compared to others. 🤔

[@2ToRamble]

Oo true, I (austin) personally love reading the index cards

[@FancyTuna77]

@@2ToRamble same! I’m more likely to read the back/inside cover of a book if I see that a bookstore employee recommends it

[@bridgetsleepy7841]

26:08 I think the weekly list being treated like the yearly badge of quality is a reason why it feels like the Oscars. Just because it sells well for a week, doesn’t mean it’s a good book so I think y’all hit the nail on the head when y’all said it means more for the author than the reader because the author doesn’t trust the fact that the NTY best seller list means quality. At least I don’t. Part of it also, it’s that just because many people are buying it, doesn’t mean it’s a good book anyway. Who trusts the masses? Personally, I think if they just want to report the sales, then the weekly list is fine, but if they want to be a list of the “best” books of the year, then the addition of a yearly list wouldn’t be a bad idea. Edit: ok I accidentally just parroted a lot of what they said so I’m just agreeing 😂 also yeah democracy is cringe

[@zuka5475]

you should do u guys top 10 books

[@austinoverthere8898]

Do you guys recommend Kings of the Wyld? Sounds interesting and I saw it on your shelf. Another great video

[@shughes5778]

I just read it recently, amazing book, especially if you like old Veteran returning to the fold stories. It takes a lot of really common fantasy things and makes them completely unique. I wholeheartedly recommend it.

[@2ToRamble]

Richard likes it and recommends!

[@austinoverthere8898]

Thanks for the reply. Ill check it out!@@shughes5778

[@coreysparkman1844]

Not sure where recommendations are preferred, if at all, but i recently read the first book of Peter Newman's "The Vagrant" trilogy that is one of my favorite books i have read in years. The odd thing is it came out in 2015 and i can count the number of videos i can find on it on one hand. Think it would be a great opportunity to review something that has been relatively untouched and contains some wild and weird fantasy/sci-fi concepts.

[@2ToRamble]

Thank you for the rec!

[@cr1197]

41:00 Many Amish are great. Many aren't. Especially living in modern areas around them you end up hearing TONS of stories of abuse and such. Especially against women. Unity is very easy to achieve when you're an insular, self-policing community not afraid of a heavy hand. Also Rumspringa (the Amish tradition of leaving for a time to decide if you want to remain in the community), while better than not providing the opportunity at all, is also more insidious than it seems. Of course it can be different per individual case, but in many cases the community will consider you dead if you choose to leave, even immediate family will never speak to you again, leaving you in an alien world you're largely unprepared for with no connections. Imagine choosing between everyone you know and love and ANYTHING else. It's a very loaded "choice." Again, many are great. There's a lot of value to be found in the lifestyle and philosophies. But they're FAR from perfect. That's my rant.

[@2ToRamble]

Ah didnt know this! Going to look into Runspringa now 🫡

[@Magdalena287]

As someone who is from Ohio and grew up in a town only an hour from the Amish community I agree with this statement. A LOT of abuse happens to women and children in those communities and since they’re self policing like the Catholic Church they can get away with it for the most part

[@jakeeffertz181]

Honestly, if I see a book labeled #1 seller at the bookstore, I tend to stay away from them. Why? Idk, maybe, because it's usually the same old formula?

[@2ToRamble]

Ahh interesting - what does catch your eyebin a bookstore? Is it mainly cover-art?

[@petereverett2525]

Unrelated to the video but i was wondering if you would be doing videos on the rest of the First Law Trilogy / rest of the world? Would love to hear your thoughts.

[@papaflow3116]

I think Richard is waiting for Austin to read them (classic) lol

[@2ToRamble]

😂 papaflow is right - after I read them will absolutely review them. They are very high on the TBR!

[@Art-Of-Ghost]

interesting perspective gentlemen, i think you are going to love "how to lose a time war"

[@2ToRamble]

Cant wait 🤝

[@pfandboi1690]

If i write a fan fic would you read it in the pod?

[@2ToRamble]

Oo what kind of fan fic

[@clawstruckwizard9847]

That’s a funny way to say shadow rising review

[@andrewnewman02]

You ain’t getting that any time soon 😂 Austin is the slowest reader

[@2ToRamble]

😂😭

[@weronikaryfka1098]

Bible should return to NYT bestseller list after Saltburn…

[@jessm229]

30:59 the english language has entered the chat

[@samuelleask1132]

Brilliant video!

[@2ToRamble]

Thank you!

[@Lucifer_isthereal_god]

"NYT BEST SELLER"- literally every single book you could ever read. Edit: I'm not sure anyone buys a book because it says "NYT Best Seller"

[@BradleyStAmour-sk7oe]

Sometimes it really teeters my totter that Richard doesn’t love his studies and research. 😢

[@ashleyholbird4287]

If its not the bible, or doesnt have magic swords...i dont want to read it.

[@2ToRamble]

Not a bad standard to have 🫡

[@stephenlogsdon8266]

What the hell does democracy is cringe mean? Fourth wing is #1 now for 34 weeks. Book 2 is #2. I read #1, and don’t get it. Not bad, but not exceptional.

[@CScott-wh5yk]

Oscars analogy was inferior 😬

[@2ToRamble]

Hear that Richard? You suck

[@jweather66]

Austin's example is better for the community of readers, Richard's works better for publishers and authors.

[@SeraphimZoomer]

you can tell they have high estrogen diets

[@noone9472]

Wtf

[@SeraphimZoomer]

Just saying

[@weronikaryfka1098]

Petition for Richard to write Bible 4 🙋‍♀️

[@2ToRamble]

😂😂

[@RhinoViper]

NY Times is trash...most of the corporate/legacy media is trash... So expecting the NYTimes Best Seller list not to be trash as well is a mistake. : )

[@BookishGecko]

“They’re going to ship us” well I mean if your friendships don’t make people question your sexuality are you even friends? 😂😂 If hard last names impact sales I’m screwed mines Russian and double-barrelled. I’ve had people look at my name and you can see their brain’s short circuit 😂😂

[@2ToRamble]

😂😂

[@Muhammadaain]

Well the bible 4.0, is actually already here 😅, It's the Holy Qur'an. The word of God unchanged, narrated by Angel Gabriel, to the last Prophet.

[@Harshchaudhari888]

review manga

[@Lucifer_isthereal_god]

Give them time. They need to go through all the books first. Once they've gone as far as Merphy Napier then maybe they can branch out and do more.

[@lkay398]

Gross

[@froogy747]

31:30 just shut up and kiss already, jeeze

[@2ToRamble]

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