I'm massively respect this video because it shows that you're one of the only content creators that is talking about utility rather than just what can do the most damage. That's why people are struggling to complete t4s.
@douglewis7946 Жыл бұрын
That and they don't stay in goddamn coherency.
@donmongoose Жыл бұрын
@@douglewis7946 and a lot of people pick Vet and because the Power Sword is so OP, they play like a Zealot and ignore their sharpshooter role, hopefully tomorrows mini nerf will help
@BuckRodgers3 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, nothing I love more seeing on my team than an Ogryn who has his shield out 75%+ of the time or a Psyker who chain casts the surge staff secondary. It makes missions so much easier when large portions of groups are constantly locked down by one or two of your teammates.
@AlexLorentzenloganjamesalex Жыл бұрын
Just got 'Inquisitorial Legend' achievement today for finishing all 7 mission types on t4. Less than 2% of players have it on Steam. Only need one more specific action penance on my Zealot and I will have them all done. My group of friends consistently beats t4 over 70% of the time and we find it mostly comes down to sticking together and all of us being in voice chat. We run different combinations of builds all the time as well as builds that are considered 'sub-optimal'. The main thing is just playing with a full team.
@MasterGhostf Жыл бұрын
@@donmongoose The chain sword needs a little nerf. Seen so mnay people swing into combat and leaving the group. Then I or someone else gets downed; and its all over.
@CazadorSlayer Жыл бұрын
Something also very important to know is how your weapons push counter attack works. For instance, the heavy axe's push attack gives it a wide slash for some desperately needed cleave! Most weapons work similarly; The push attack is *usually* an attack the normal combo lacks. A wide-sweeping weapon may get an overhead chop for dealing with singular tough boys, for instance. Finding this out was a game changer for me since it made weapons like the axe feel way more viable!
@uber3del Жыл бұрын
That's my Psyker in the Video @ 13:55. I do have Armor Piercing in the form of Force-Sword and Psychenetic's Wrath. Still a good point you are making.
@crawfish119 Жыл бұрын
Blocking and holding attack with an axe does a cleave that staggers multiple enemies, not just a single target weapon as stated. Also a lot of weapons have special attacks that are better for staggering and counter attacking. Ogryn punch for example will drop a Mauler or Rager straight to the ground.
@UnknownSquid Жыл бұрын
Yep. There's mountains of nuance hidden in the different variations of weapons, and interesting situational use cases to learn for nearly all of it.
@banditferretell5231 Жыл бұрын
I'm fairly certain from my experience in diff 5, Ogryn uppercut (from cleaver knife) can lock down a crusher, though this assumes the crusher is alone. But it can be a great help for an Ogryn to perma stun the 1-2 crusher's while the team cleans up other enemies or focuses down the big boys. So please I'm begging stop yelling at me for not using shield :(
@CazadorSlayer Жыл бұрын
I first found that out when spectating a teammate and was just like "WAIT, THE AXE CAN DO THAT!?" Instantly turned the axe from one of my least liked weapon to my outright favorite knowing that. Most weapon's push-attack tend to be an attack their regular combo lacks, so it's great to know. (Another example is the shovel which gets a fast overhead instead of it's normal sweeping slashes.)
@digitalbear8809 Жыл бұрын
@@banditferretell5231 People were yelling at you for not using shield? that's funny all the comments about ogryn on the steam forums say shield is one of the worst options lol
@banditferretell5231 Жыл бұрын
@@digitalbear8809 Shield "is" the worst for outright damage and it can give someone a terrible case of tunnel vision with how big it is. But steam forums are complete and utter garbage, full of contrarians and people who can't beat difficulty 3. Shield is the best defensive melee not just for ogryn also compared to the entire roster
@SFuruli Жыл бұрын
Great video! I want to do Damnation runs with you. The way you let that Zealot take care of that horde in the end of the video shows that you respect and understand each partymember's role. Most players would just compete for kills in the same situation, potentially wasting ammo or taking unnecessary dmg, when the better option is to watch the Zealot's back.
@bertvsrob Жыл бұрын
normally a bad ogryn will bowl in, scattering the horde making it harder to keep buffs and take longer to clear. then when elites appear the ogryn has no charge ready
@hungryhedgehog4201 Жыл бұрын
One thing that should be kept in mind is that you deal damage to the area your weapon intersects first. This is especially important for the Mauler cause they wear carapace helmets and pauldrons so if you have a weapon that starts the attack from the top right for example you are going to hit the heaviest armor first. On the bulwark the shield is active at all times, you can actually manipulate attacks around the shield. For example if you use a charged up attack of the power hammer to make the bulwark stagger and then charge another one, sidestep left you can hit the chest before it can bring the shield back up fully.
@whynoth9583 Жыл бұрын
On an unrelated note, Fatshark did actually rework the martyrdom mechanic for zealot an is now working of percentile values, as you speculated in one of your previous vid.
@tombadrick Жыл бұрын
I'm just glad this video isn't about the cash shop, the cash shop, and the cash shop. Because those are the 3 darktide mechanics that Fatshark thinks we should understand.
@vineveer4358 Жыл бұрын
Cleave, armor piercing, and stagger. All important traits to have. You ideally want a mix of all 3 traits built across your team, in addition to raw damage. This is why I recommend always having 4 veteran's wielding power swords, going full unga bunga in pure melee. Mhm.
@Nickelback8469 Жыл бұрын
Completely balanced
@Adrian-zl2ec Жыл бұрын
Ah yes, a fine stategy of the 40th millenia !
@TheBouregard Жыл бұрын
While I agree that the power swords are over tuned on vets, It's not the best weapon in the game - it has almost no stagger vs. hordes and highly armored targets. If they rush you and you need to charge the weapon again they will very likely get some hits in or you need to trade space or stamina for time.
@nothingtobeconcernedabout7477 Жыл бұрын
@@TheBouregard pre nerf you didn't need stagger vs hordes because the baseline cleave value was overtuned. Also depending on your ranged weapon, you could thin them with both ranged weapons and grenades (which you would get enough off with that trait). The weapon special when activated mitigated the lower performance against highly armored on top of you potentially having a ranged weapon that could handle highly armored targets.
@Nikolas5842 Жыл бұрын
@@TheBouregard Why do u need stagger on not powered power sword tho when everything dies or is on the floor after one swing. You just need to dodge and charge it in 1 second before going ape mode xD
@edwardgordon7839 Жыл бұрын
Great video, however the only thing I would like to point out is the part where you said your team was lacking armour pen so you switched to the axe, now I could be wrong but I am certain the Eviscerator chain sword is an armour piercing weapon when revved, but also the psykers force sword can deal significant damage to carapace and flak armoured enemies with its force charged special attack, so in that scenario it would come down more to "do my team mates know how to use their gear effectively" rather than "we lack X Y Z stat's"
@legaldumper8902 Жыл бұрын
Was about to comment the same thing. As someone who mainly uses the force sword cuz I like blocking bullets lol, the special on it takes care of armored enemies for me easily. I honestly prefer using the sword special on stuff like crushers than my brain pop.
@owo3632 Жыл бұрын
they both do less pen and are extremely unsafe axe is king for neutral armour pen
@MasterGhostf Жыл бұрын
@@legaldumper8902 Same. I honestly don't use the brain pop much unless its to take out a sniper or i'm doing that build.
@Monkeypuzzle Жыл бұрын
@@legaldumper8902 force sword blocks bullets? Is that only while charged?
@이가람-s3w Жыл бұрын
@@Monkeypuzzle only if they have the certain blessing
@calluxdoaron1903 Жыл бұрын
Btw, combat axe does work greatly as horde clear. It's push-attack does cleave damage in horizontal and you can use it even at 1% of stamina. Combine it with Kinetic Deflection of psyker and you become walking melee tank, capable to hold entire hordes on your own... ...As long as there is no ranged boys or pouncy dog/trapper.
@blighter88 Жыл бұрын
There's another mechanic to cleave that you didn't mention, which is damage falloff per target. With each enemy you hit, you will do significantly reduced damage to the next enemy hit by that swing. The amount seems to differ from weapon to weapon, but generally after the third target hit you will be doing single digit damage. This means increasing cleave past 3 targets will not net you any extra damage, but you will still get the full effectiveness of staggers and bleeds on ALL targets you cleave. So basically the takeaway is 3 target cleave is all you need to be optimal, anything past that is essentially a crutch unless you are going for a utility build, which I generally wouldn't recommend unless you are playing with a friend you can reliably synergize with.
@wheeljork Жыл бұрын
Hopefully they will continue to give random groups more opportunity to communicate and optimize loadouts before the mission starts. Voice chat available from the beginning would help with this.
@KnightNave Жыл бұрын
even showing the prefixes on thier weapon. "Cleaving" vs "Strikedown" would do a lot for this
@RoiDesCochonsRP Жыл бұрын
I play axe a lot with my Zealot, if you spam the block parry attack you have a good cleave with excellent stagger that kill in 2 attacks in threat 5 really easy to spam ands switch to heavy attacks for a big one. You cut an horde solo like it's butter.
@chicagobreed502 Жыл бұрын
Having the brutal momentum blessing on an axe I've found it crazy since the main downside of the axe is being often single target and having next to low cleave. Being able to ignore the hitmass of an entire horde whilst keeping the damage ramp on zealot with a precision weapon is insane.
@RainingMezzer Жыл бұрын
Armor itself is apart of "hit mass" as well. Thats why you cleave through the gunners to the mauler but not from the mauler to the second gunner
@SunnyJCR Жыл бұрын
I'm immediately drawn to your channel after this video. You're clearly combining knowledge with experience. I don't see many people presenting information from a practical standpoint so this was a nice change. Earned a sub. I'll be perusing your recent and future videos for sure.
@jacobvriesema6633 Жыл бұрын
I’m glad you mentioned the fact that we can’t see our allies’ ranged weapons or build. You could kind of do this in Vermintide, and on higher difficulties it was common to change your load out for a better team comp. I’m Darktide, I’ve had 3 flamethrowers on a team but poor armor piercing.
@sup1602 Жыл бұрын
I always perfered in vermintide to use my firearm to clear the armored enemies due to melee being more reliable for squishy hordes. I kinda get the same feel for some of the darktide weapons too. Espically since ranged is more needed now, I would rather use my ranged on high values than chaff.
@UnknownSquid Жыл бұрын
That depends entirely on the weapon though. If you're carrying a lazgun, autogun, shotgun, heavy stubber, etc, then you do zero or close to zero damage vs carapace, forcing you to pull melee to do heavy attacks. Both ranged and melee have options for both. The important thing is understanding the role and characteristics of the weapons you pick. Many of the best crowd clearing weapons in the game happen to be ranged weapons. Ultimately there's more types of threat than any one player can be prepared for, so like Zerk was saying, it's all about team comp.
@adam346 Жыл бұрын
that power sword can also do some insane armor piercing damage once powered up. It is the swiss-army knife of 40k universe.
@Xeonzs Жыл бұрын
This is why I like using the combat axe same pattern you showed in the video on my veteran, it's a great balance of damage, armor penetration and stagger, I used to advocate the chainsword but I don't like that the special locks me in the animation and leaves me vulnerable as I can't even cancel it to block. I also don't allow myself to use the powersword as I'm sure it will be nerfed at some point. And indeed a zealot properly using their thunderhammer is such a great asset to the team.
@Dinawartotem Жыл бұрын
Funny Xeonzs. That's not how you spell COMBAT SHOVEL!
@0riginalFIR3 Жыл бұрын
U can dash/dodge out the animation
@Wargasmo Жыл бұрын
It will be nerfed tomorrow!
@Alamandorious Жыл бұрын
I tend to use a power sword and bolter as the Veteran. The power sword for clearing hordes, the bolter with 2x Rending for big dudes.
@debruynvince Жыл бұрын
I'd love to see a deeper dive into the unit mass, it definitely seems to affect a lot in combat. One big example is psyker's chain electricity staff: I realized while testing it, it seems to do much greater damage to armored enemies (which makes sense in a way) and I wonder if it's using the mass instead
@banditferretell5231 Жыл бұрын
Electric staff does the inverse of armor value! It deals significantly more damage to armored units, the higher armor class, the more damage! But it's infested and unarmored damage is lacking, especially on higher difficulties
@Nimoot Жыл бұрын
1 - Stagger 2 - Cleave 3 - Armor Piercing Attacks once they break an enemy's stagger, they get interrupted. Enemies have a Cleave HP, and if your cleave damage goes above/meets that #, you cleave until the damage can't cleave anymore. Some attacks like heavy attacks armor pierce. Saved you 14 minutes since these are the EXACT SAME from Vermintide.
@tablesoup Жыл бұрын
RE armour pen; check out the psyker with the blaze force sword. It's charged attack does significant armour pen. I frequently take down the big carapace guys with it while my team keeps them off me.
@CarlosRodriguez-dd4sb Жыл бұрын
The best explanation of the concepts I have heard. Clear, understandable, with demos that make sense. Excellent work!
@MasterGhostf Жыл бұрын
I'd argue the warp sword is armor piercing. Its got decent horde clearing and managing, but its warp attack does massive damage and is easy to use against armored targets.
@winniethewhor Жыл бұрын
I play a lot of Zealot on Damnation and I find that weapons like the Thunder Hammer really don't feel very good because it does so much less total DPS. Dead enemies can't damage you AND you recover hitpoints by killing them. Be careful when choosing to go heavy on stagger depending on your build.
@lormarjaque9601 Жыл бұрын
I feel like the most important mechanic you need to understand is currently avoiding the cash shop 🤣
@barrywise7185 Жыл бұрын
The blessings that ignore hitmass seem to be incredibly strong. Especially on axes Also, another hidden stat is that some weapons do decreased damage to maniac class enemies. Check the combat axes and thunder hammer. Their heavies do half damage to maniacs, while their light attacks do full.
@boozebeard9501 Жыл бұрын
are the maniacs the ragers? Damage on them seems really weird, when I was testing in beta, auto guns would do like half damage to them compared to unarmoured but las guns were actually doing more damage than they did to unarmoured.
@barrywise7185 Жыл бұрын
Maniacs are the unarmored ragers (dreg) and the muties. The armored rager is all flak armor (scab). Autoguns seem to do really good damage to flesh targets, and less to armor. You should be able to check exact numbers in the attack breakdown when inspecting a weapon.
@garnhamr Жыл бұрын
i did notice the heavy attack seeming less effective
@IronStaff7 Жыл бұрын
Chain axe is super good at staggering big boys and cutting through carapace armor which is why I always bring it.
@nonottim Жыл бұрын
Invaluable information for new and old tide players. Great content, much appreciated for spreading the knowledge to the masses!
@soulwynd Жыл бұрын
Small note the priest has a passive that lets you get full cleave.
@ThaLedg Жыл бұрын
also, specials are just sooo important on melee weapons! I usually run an Evicorator and the special DEMOLISHES Single entities.
@rhysjones81 Жыл бұрын
I really wish they'd add a mod into skyrim that made the combat feel like Vermintide or Darktide. It'd be so much more fun :P
@Nugire Жыл бұрын
"Darktide has a few mechanics that aren't explained in the game that well." Only 10 seconds in and already such a massive understatement...
@banditferretell5231 Жыл бұрын
Not really an understatement. Many of the things are natural/expected, the problem is lacking clear information for breakpoints or new player help. But in general, a player will figure out from in-game and voice lines that armor blocks damage and you can only cleave through a certain amount of meat
@zach_zach5898 Жыл бұрын
This really saves me a headache, I've been discarding weapons left and right when I get a "better one" but finally started looking at the accurate stats on each weapon. Bopping enemies with thunder > anything else
@HMan2828 Жыл бұрын
Axes DO cleave, on your blocking counter attack hit. I know it works because my stacks of Punishment ("Attacks that hit three or more enemies grant +30% impact for five seconds, stacking five times. At max stacks, gain Uninterruptible.") as a preacher keep stacking when I block and counterattack repeatedly.. Best of all, most of them have a multiplier that makes the second and third targets get hit for the same as the first enemy. So my 273/284 axe can hit 3-4 scumbags at a time with lots of penetration, applying stacks of brittleness, and giving me +150% Impact, which then helps me crowd control even more (since it pushes them to the ground instead of just stagger at full stacks), or refilling my health with Holy Revenant... Axe is totally worth it to melt big armored bois down in 2-3 hits, and I don't feel handicapped in the cleave department at all.. It's also much faster than eviscerator sword (my fave is the Antax pattern), and I don't need to turn it on to do full damage. And if there's a horde, I got a flamer...
@milesg7877 Жыл бұрын
Great stuff, I hope more people see this. Can you show the new players dodging? And it pains me to say this, but blocking as well? People just think the can swing to win nowadays!
@rollnycgaming2279 Жыл бұрын
I always really liked your hidden stat videos from the total war series, but I feel like you've mastered the art of explaining it with Darktide. Well done, another great video! I wish I could randoms to watch this video and your others.
@armorhide406 Жыл бұрын
Good to see they're including useful stuff like this in the launcher. Shame they don't explain this in game
@benclark3457 Жыл бұрын
They dont need to. Theyve bought a lot of 'cheap' youtubers to do it for them. Its called outsourcing and in gaming its fucking awful, imo. Its making me consider starting a YT/Twitch presence as most gamers aren't able t osee or figure out thigs that absolutely shoiuld be in the ghame that woulod increase the games revenue AND players enjoyment. We as humans enjoy mastering something. DT need t orealise this as the core mechanics are there. edit Not that zerkovich is cheap :kisskiss
@Astroman10 Жыл бұрын
Great video! We can always rely on you to dig into the stats and mechanics to improve our gameplay.
@steeltrap3800 Жыл бұрын
What I discovered from this video: the greater the cleavage, the greater the number of people in a crowd able to be left staggered. Always enjoy your vids; the commentary to some of your Warhammer "best [whichever unit type]" tests were very funny in places.
@tehflemin Жыл бұрын
Exhaustive, comprehensive, borderline tedious. I love it, subbed.
@Malidictus Жыл бұрын
"Here are 3 mechanics you should understand. I don't know how it works and it doesn't really matter." OK, cool. I understand so much more now. Thanks for sharing.
@LupusUmbra9954 ай бұрын
3:50 Ragers can be staggered when they have not started an attack sequence, quite easy too in fact.
@christopherarnold352 Жыл бұрын
“And now he’s a clown on the floor”, this got me. Hahahaha
@Milius250 Жыл бұрын
I have a question. What is IMPACT and how does it works? I'm playing with the zealot and at level 10 has a feat that gives you +30% impact if you hit 3 or more enemies with a mele attack. This bonus can stack to 5 times (+150% impact) and at 5 stacks you cannot be interrupted. But IDK what impact does.
@davec3618 Жыл бұрын
One recommendation, most single hitting weapons like that axe have a follow-up from block attack that is a sweeping cleaving attack. If you focus on blocking and sweeping hordes, you can tank an entire wave and keep killing them. Not as efficient as an AOE weapon but the massive amount of utility you will provide can give your team time to chop through it for you.
@fullmetalalkami6466 Жыл бұрын
Great video mate, Fatshark should link this for new and older players!
@gucky4717 Жыл бұрын
Funfact: I play the Veteran and he has something called a Powersword. Its hits are only horizontal AND can be powerup with the alt fire. The altfire, which powers the sword also has enough hitmass to cleave THROUGH a armored Ogryn.I also use a powersword which has also the skill: Ignore Hitmass for x seconds after a critical hit. Well...the horizontal hits almost 100% hit the Head all the time triggering the skill, even midswing!!! Tl;dr i can hit AND kill an unlimited amount of mobs in one strike... including flak armored and some Elites.
@AiR1DaN Жыл бұрын
Something else that I don't see mentioned enough, is blocking while reviving. Too many times have I seen people trying to fight off a horde, only to turn around to their now expired teammate. Before reviving, make sure your stamina is fully recovered, then start reviving your teammate. You will block in a full 360 as long as you have stamina. Also.. when you are getting revived.. BLOCK!!! You still block during your get-up animation. Way too many people are getting revived only to get insta-downed again. Hopefully in the future they'll adjust the animations for this to be more clear.
@stevecolour8010 Жыл бұрын
I am not an expert by all means but at 13:56 the psi sword is fantastic against armor if the weilder knows what they are doing. Only the shield bearing ogryn can block its charged (alt) attack.
@dwrabauke Жыл бұрын
Really good video. I thought I knew what each mechanic was but still learned a few things. Liked&subbed. Looking forward to more vids!
@szarake2448 Жыл бұрын
Great video, made me look at the game from a different perspective. Now I feel like Im actually gonna touch the axes and what not.
@UnknownSquid Жыл бұрын
When I first started out, I was playing Veteran and initially hated the axe. It's comparative lack of crowd control made me feel way too vulnerable. I also saw my job as being to deal with specialist and mid-tier ranged enemies, rather than getting up close with armoured foes, so it's armour piercing ability felt wasted. So I switched back to the catachan sword with it's nice cleave. Later on playing Psyker, I started out the same, keeping a cleave weapon for sake of having better horde defence. Once I unlocked the super powerful crowd clearing staves though, I realised that my melee choice was kind of redundant. I was never really using it for the purpose I'd picked it. The bigger problem for this playstyle, had turned out to be the random straggler enemies and the sneaky ones that got up behind me, distracting me and preventing me from shooting. I tried out the combat axe again, and it worked amazingly well. The really high damage on the light attack was enough to consistently oneshot all mid to low tier enemies. I didn't even need it's anti-armour capabilities since I had brain burst, but the way it quickly and reliably dispatched small groups of enemies without any delay, meant that I was able to have far more up-time with my staff and brain burst. So yeah, there's so much hidden nuance and synergy in this game.
@DesAllMetroids Жыл бұрын
Very good guide. More curious about the brittleness effect and the other blessing perks
@seriousdraw Жыл бұрын
6:48 Not true! There are 4 variants of axe. 3/4 of them don't cleave, but the "Antax" DOES have cleave and First Target stats. They trade off the finesse stat for cleave, but it makes for a weapon that's good at cleaving hordes and staggering ogryn at the same time. I recommend it.
@lupvirga Жыл бұрын
this is why you want one weapon for crowd control and one for focused killing. you can always give yourself space thanks to dodging and shoving if you need to reload your gun.
@The_Wulfens_Cry Жыл бұрын
'now he's a clown on the floor" love it
@errorsniper_404 Жыл бұрын
What are your settings? It looks so visually clear! Mine looks like it has a gamma wash over it and no matter what I do it loos slightly out of focus and white washed. Yours looks vibrant and clear!
@risingwind894311 ай бұрын
I have found that Penetration is more important than damage. I have seen people bragging about a weapon that has 80 crowd crontrol, 80 damage, 80 finesse, and 30 penetration. That weapon is garbage. The difference between two weapons that both do 1k damage if one has 80 pen and the other has 30 pen is ABSURD. It can literally cut the damage down to less than half. As a result, I use damage as a dump stat FAR more often than other people are comfortable with, as I have found that utility is WAY more important at Damnation than raw damage. Having cleave AND pen and being able to knock back a rager squad at a chokepoint is SO MUCH MORE important than having another 30 damage. Having the stamina to block-tank bosses, a group of ragers, spam push, or dodge spam against a conga line of Crushers is 100x more useful than an extra 30-50 damage.
@FerreusVir Жыл бұрын
Got an ad at the start for a dating service involving Slavic women, I clicked on it and ended up watching the video anyway. Quality content Zerk!
@hoop6725 Жыл бұрын
My number one gripe with Darktide right now is the complete inability to control what group you join or at least see what they have. Joining matches as an Ogryn only to find myself on a team with three psykers makes even Heresy a struggle, let alone Damnation. Feels like quickplay is just wasting my time. Especially frustrating given that Vermintide 2 had a match browser which told you everything you needed to know prior to joining.
@deanhollis8983 Жыл бұрын
The psykers lightning has incredible armor piercing
@LouM561 Жыл бұрын
Very informative, thanks for the upload!!
@devilsmessanger Жыл бұрын
Stagger is superb on Ogryn . btw Zerk , 2H chainsword is good vs armour and its special attack stunlocks while being performed . psyker's sword's special attack is also pretty decent vs heavies .
@kubaGR8 Жыл бұрын
It also stunlocks you however, lol
@devilsmessanger Жыл бұрын
@@kubaGR8 true ,but vs certain enemies, you want to lock them down so you team mates can assist you like vs chaos ogryns , berserkers, or even annoying mutant. it is decent weapon .
@Hamlappert Жыл бұрын
Great video! What i still dont understand; whats better cleave or ignoring hit mass? Ignoring hit mass feels great on axes.
@BuckRodgers3 Жыл бұрын
I'd probably say hit mass because it helps against armored enemies who become more common the higher difficulty level you go. But it mainly depends on your character, build, and what you are using your melee weapon for, if you have a anti armor ranged weapon then getting a sword with cleave to swing through huge hordes is amazing, if you have a horde clear ranged weapon getting an axe for dealing with small groups of armor is your way to go.
@UnknownSquid Жыл бұрын
Like Zerk was saying in this, it's all about team comp. Neither is outright better, both are good at their own particular role. Ignoring hitmass won't do you any good when a horde swarms you but will make those big guys way easier to deal with. And good cleave won't help you much against an unexpected rush of armoured ragers and maulers, but will make hordes relatively trivial to deal with. If playing for higher difficulties, try to ensure your team has a mix of everything covered, and try to help each other do their respective jobs.
@shkiper9411 Жыл бұрын
You can make an axe decent at horde clear. Specifically the Antax combat axe If you get a blessing that gives you hit mass ignore on headshot kill. Been using such axes since cbt.
@jack7780 Жыл бұрын
Amazing video although I disagree with your statement about combat axes. Two of them are very capable of cleaving, one even having a cleave modifier (mines at 80% cleave targets). The trick is with combat axes, it's mostly the push attack that cleaves.
@SotE5073 Жыл бұрын
change to an Axe? Power Sword with Power Cycler Blessing all u need in this game melee situations.
@Knightstruth Жыл бұрын
I feel like the primary function of the Lawbringer shotgun is that it seems to have really high stagger.
@XPaHuTEJlb_Xaoca Жыл бұрын
There is some weapon special attack, that's completely ignore stage resistance, for example on that axe. It cam be very useful if u know this
@dEEkAy2k7imkubik Жыл бұрын
what about psykers staves? i noticed that the void staff (atleast on lower difficulties) tends to stagger almost everything on left click. how do these staves work on flesh, on armor?
@ShotJon Жыл бұрын
Good vid, I though "thise are easy to know" but for example I did not know that cleave was stopped by heavy boys.
@MyViolador Жыл бұрын
How many enemies you want to hit in one swing? Ogryn : YES
@roywennekes8548 Жыл бұрын
excellent video, picked up some handy info!
@silverthorngoodtree5533 Жыл бұрын
The number one mechanics I find peeps don't know.. Suppression.... 2nd is how grimms work, why they damage you sometimes, beyond the normal purple.
@anotherkagimi4157 ай бұрын
Something like 60s explaining blessings also would bem awesome
@iNNoVationX86 Жыл бұрын
So ignore enemy mass perk is great on knives etc is what I take from this? i.e. if I ignore an elites mass then I will cleave them as if they were pox walkers etc?
@markarato8034 Жыл бұрын
You are the best teacher Z!
@scremmagekatte2216 Жыл бұрын
all of this makes good sense, but i still cannot for the life of me deal with ranged units. they just completely break the flow of combat, and i think thats why they arent even brought up at all here.
@lordaloa Жыл бұрын
I do there you have the veterans come into play at least, certain builds our special is able to take em out rather quickly but we also need to be able to keep our focus on them. wow we always need melee to protect us from the hordes and allow us to cover them from the ranged units.
@UnknownSquid Жыл бұрын
Ranged units require either specific weapons to combat effectively, or the correct kind of teamwork. A Veteran with a MG12 lazgun makes ranged enemies feel like chaff, whilst a Psyker with a lightning or Voidstrike staff can either stunlock or blow away whole squads at once. If you're not using this kind of stuff, then support the team mates that are to ensure they can keep shooting. Make sure nothing is hitting them in the back or distracting them, and mark targets that you want your psyker to kill sooner. (Even in a thick horde, the psyker Voidstrike and the Veteran Plasma Gun both penetrate quite deep through hordes, so marking an enemy in the back of it is still really helpful.) It's also worth noting that the two types of ranged enemies (scabs and dregs) behave differently. Dregs (the yellow rag wearing guys) and are much more eager to pull their melee weapons if you charge them. Scabs meanwhile (the grey military guys) more prefer to keep their guns out and simply retreat whilst firing, unless you really press them. So you can be a bit more brave when charging Dregs. Generally, try to remember the stuff the 2nd tutorial taught you about how sprinting/sliding helps avoid ranged damage, and how suppression works. And if there's really no good way to get in close without being hosed, then at least make sure you're in concurrency distance of your team so that both you and them can actually regen your toughness hp, or else you'll just be stuck unable to come out of cover forever.
@theoriginalcheebamech Жыл бұрын
"press Tab to see the attack breakdown" wait, what? nowhere else has bothered to inform me this is even available, gracias amigo
@Mido_ Жыл бұрын
How do you know hit mass numbers of different enemies?
@robertdesmond3232 Жыл бұрын
Can you explain Bleed? i dont understand the damage on it. its not random but every mob takes a different amount and the stacks dont make sense, like a bleed of 5 will stack to 10 with 2 stacks then be 17 on 3 stacks? doesnt make any since.
@vynashe4442 Жыл бұрын
Eviscerator is great against armor when you rev it.
@Nikolas5842 Жыл бұрын
very helpfull video thanks Zerk
@esaedvik Жыл бұрын
How did you get damage numbers? Just in the tutorials?
@mahtix1 Жыл бұрын
has anyone else noticed that boltgun never CRITS. been testing it alot in meatgrinder and its a no go. even with huge bonuses with sharpshooter.
@kirenesenseАй бұрын
I just swing melee and pull the trigger and auric goes brrr
@HighLanderPonyYT Жыл бұрын
4th: keeping the alt+f4 combo handy.
@Helmotz. Жыл бұрын
Good video, ty for the tips
@randomlygeneratedname Жыл бұрын
In summery, stagger = how much shove your weapons do, Less on thick boys Cleave = how many dude you can slap per slap, less on thick boys Armour piercing = thickness ignoring. Me who runs around at mach 5 with nothing but a speed boost knife and laspistol. Glad I know why the only thing I can do is avoid damage.
@KiuhKobold Жыл бұрын
In Ogryn, bout stagger. Small bonk stick give weak bonk. Guud 'gainst tiny gits. Big bonk stick give big bonk. Guud 'gainst small and lorge gits. Don't bonk da big 'uns with any stick. Blast 'em.
@criticgamer5496 Жыл бұрын
Very useful video.
@TheRealChappie Жыл бұрын
TLDR: If you're a Vet: Use a Powersword. Don't just blow your ammo, melee in hordes is more effective If youre a zealot: You have 2 options, Eviscerator or Thunder Hammer, anything else is pointless and absolute dogshit If a chunky boi (Ogryn) Shield/ Dagger. If a Psyker, Lighting Staff, Fire Staff, Void Staff with a Force Sword. And final tip: For the love of the Emperor, USE YOUR MELEE weapons
@Torguemada Жыл бұрын
Except that team at the end does have good amount of armor piercing with the Psyker Force Sword and also pretty sure the Zealots Eviscerator also has good piercing cpecial.
@UnknownSquid Жыл бұрын
Eviscerator is good against flak armour, but bad against carapace. It does still do a decent enough job against carapace though, purely due to it's overall high damage output. Good enough to "support" the anti-armour role, I'd say, but ideally someone else should have something more specific (such as that Force Sword as you mention).
@Medli32 Жыл бұрын
Wait, let me get this straight. You can swap weapons on the lobby screen?
@Pffffhwhehej Жыл бұрын
Great video thanks
@Fizban0101 Жыл бұрын
What does Impact do? Does it stagger enemies?
@dwfalex Жыл бұрын
What does it mean when you hit an enemy and it shows a red line? E.g. at 7:24