3 Doctors Debate The Best Way To Eat | Revitalize

[@marcilk7534]

I appreciate that these doctors were all so respectful towards each other.

[@reflectivewomanSD]

I really am impressed with the plant Doctor. He is the only one opening up chests and looking at hearts (as far as I can tell). He didn't get enough air time. He's confident in his theory. Non showy. I'm going with him!

[@RT-vw6yw]

Agreed

[@waterfoker8558]

But a little bit of plaque doesn't mean you're not healthy, it can be perfectly mormal, at the end of the day you have to live a happy life you enjoy living every day and if that includes a diet that brings you happiness so what if you die a few years younger due to a little plaque. You lived a full life. We not trying not min max here. Okinawan may live the longest but they are simply living based on their environment. You suddenly jumping into their lifestyle and culture and environment may make you go crazy so you really can't isolate a diet from it's context and say that's the best

[@davidrowe9402]

Joel has an excellent video with Rich Roll. Highly recommended

[@HabitsV2]

There are plenty of cardiologists who disagree with what Joel Kahn is saying. Read into the literature, watch some of the documentaries on KZbin, and you'll hear about doctors who have spent their life looking into hearts, as Dr Kahn has, and come to completely different conclusions.

[@ashleybutlet1378]

Yes frank.eating a no fat no dairy no meat nearly killed me after 15 years I wouldn't touch fat.I was chronically sick and turned to berries nuts vegatables.i met somebody thank God who ate fat and oil butter meat with no moral difficulty slowly helped me to begin to eat fat again butter cream bone broth proper gravy chicken lamb,coconut oil ,lots of olive oil saved my life.

[@smartcatcollarproject5699]

Very spirited and balanced debate ! I love they mentionned Inuits, who traditionnally ate 90% meat and 10% fat, no vegetable at all, and had no health problems ! I'm vegetarian, but it's an example I use to show that different people have adapted to different diets, some are fine with diary, some not, others are 100% vegetarians like Jains in India, who don't eat anything coming from an animal... The point being that you have to find what diet is best for you, and it may vary with age !

[@contrarian717]

Great comment

[@RawVeganGinger]

Mummified remains of Eskimos/Inuits dating back 2,000 years have shown extensive hardening of the arteries throughout their brains, hearts and limbs; as a direct consequence of following a carnivorous diet of birds, caribou, seals, walrus, polar bears, whales, and fish. The June 1987 issue of National Geographic magazine carried an article about two Eskimo women, one in her twenties and the other in her forties, frozen for five centuries in a tomb of ice. When discovered and medically examined they both showed signs of severe osteoporosis and also suffered extensive atherosclerosis, “probably the result of a heavy diet of whale and seal blubber. Alaskan Eskimos older than age 40 have been found to have a 10% to 15% greater deficit in bone mineral density compared to Caucasians in the US. This research published in 1974 on 107 elderly people concluded, “Aging bone loss, which occurs in many populations, has an earlier onset and greater intensity in the Eskimos. Protein, especially animal protein, consumed in excess of our needs places serious burdens on the body. The liver and kidneys work hard to process the excess protein and excrete its byproducts along with the urine. As a result of this extra work, Eskimos have been reported to have an enlarged liver while living on meat, and to produce larger than average volumes of urine in order to excrete the byproducts of protein metabolism. There is a major difference between eating to survive a harsh envionment and having a choice what in what you can eat. The definition of veganism is a way of living which seeks to exclude, as far as is possible and practicable, all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose. In summary, Eskimos or “Inuits” are extremely small subcultures and their life expectancy is much less, even 10 years less than all of Canada. We cannot compare them to modern day society where we have the choice of what to eat.

[@SilverMosquera]

This was fun, on Dr Hyman's side all the way

[@mrbonzzai]

Dr. Joel Khan gave hands down the most informative evidence based explanations. Excellent memory recall.

[@dawnlorraineskincare]

Not really. He repeatedly used the word "associations". Associations are not causation. Unfortunately the majority of nutrition science is association based, not causation based.

[@blissrunner]

@@dawnlorraineskincare Unfortunately as M.D. researching diabetes myself, dr. Joel's "veganism" is clouding his science/bias; so far it's "animal life/environmental" >>> "actual nutritional data/human health outcomes". He demonizes saturated fat (even plant ones)/animal protein as causing heart disease/diabetes.. which honestly with current data.. is unlikely since a quick search on wiki "insulin index" finds that starchy/sugary high GI carbs are the cause. Logically it doesn't make sense either.. if that were true then most of our dogs/cats (mostly meat eats) should be diabetic/obese. And if you look at "frugivore/herbivore" animals they mostly eat grass, whole fruits/nuts/roots (low glycemic load).. not potato, white bread, pasta/spaghetti, grains (high GI/load).

[@ylonmc2]

blissrunner if you are a md you owe it to your patients to look up dr McDougall’s work

[@blissrunner]

@@ylonmc2 I did, a long with the gang of vegan doctors I look up to. (dr. John McDougall, dr. Joel Kahn, dr. Michael Greger/nutritionfacts) I admit I don't know it all, but I read their studies/citations and found errors. Some I agree, but most of them dissociate over-consumption carbohydrates from causing insulin resistance. I will still look them up, they may change their studies or not; but for the mean time their studies are still confounding.

[@okidoki3201]

@@blissrunner people detoriate on veganism

[@MermaidsReel]

Enjoyed this talk and the different perspectives. Main takeaway, "eat real food. As close to nature as possible."

[@connorhoell9242]

I always love panels because you get a more nuanced view. It's sad that such a great presentation of information is still plagued with comments from people looking only to deepen their preconceived notions.

[@alisonschmader32]

YES, Dr. Kahn. You rock.

[@ManuelGutierrez-zb5xm]

Amphetamines make me feel good, that is why they are such a huge part of my diet. How you feel is a very stupid way to guide the way you eat (despite knowing what he means). As my nutritional biologist teacher used to say, the strongest plants are not those you leave alone and untouched, trimming actually makes a plant stronger. The cardiologist was by far the most agreeable, due to being the most strictly scientific.

[@FayCreative]

Great discussion! Seems everybody is different, one diet lifestyle won't fit all. People have autoimmune diseases and must follow what makes them better, sometimes it's plant based, sometimes it's Paleo.. Not as simple as just everyone follow the same thing.

[@Isaac5123]

Very true

[@charleneluedtke5751]

I really liked this debate and hearing many different sides of nutrition. We are all so different and what diet may work for one person may not work for another as admitted in the case of Dr. Joel Kahn's son. In a PERFECT world where everyone can eat the same foods, live in the same paradise where there is no stress, we can all be healthy. Great debate!

[@SuperKpill]

Great discussion! I completely agree with what Dr. Lipman said about dietary fat. It's really the processed foods, carbs, and sugar that are the biggest problem for most people.

[@thebarbermitch]

“I don’t give a shit about science.” Now that’s a doctor you can trust.

[@aharris6073]

Go Kahn!

[@randomMaui]

I'm not sure is anyone should go to a doctor who says 'i don't give a shit about the science.'

[@Qstandsforred]

Maui Komite Good point. I've read enough studies to know that well conducted studies rarely contradict. Other studies explain why some studies appear to contradict. All in all, we have a massive pile of data which should be enough to make proper recommendations, if someone is willing to spend enough time on it. Personally, I think vegan keto is probably the healthiest diet. High carb low fat diets also appear beneficial, and are easier to do.

[@kaunas888]

Maui Komite What he is referring to the the massive amount of junk science that exists due to the corrupting influence of money, careerism, political correctness, arrogance, etc. In other words when humans take up science they so often screw it up, because what they so frequently do is not real science, but science propaganda that serves an agenda.

[@meganhambly2922]

Well, when you are in and out of hospitals and the doctors tell you that there are "no studies" and to eat whatever you want and take pills, it's doctors like this that have my respect. As he said, he see's people again and again do better when they go without it, so don't knock it until you try it. Not everyone is going to react the same to one diet which was the whole first part of the video!

[@maristellaw3110]

+Lysander Dusseljee But then we have studies that are sponsored by the meat industry, dairy industry or any other business, that do pick out only parts that promote their products. So I agree with Lipman's take on biases in science. But yeah Kahn slays it :D

[@Qstandsforred]

Maristella Witt science IS biased. However, it should be the job of doctors to sort through the data and debate amongst each other using science.

[@traceysteinbach5407]

I used to think I was gluten intolerant and always felt better when I removed gluten from my diet... then I realised it wasn’t gluten that was the problem but rather processed grains versus whole grains that was causing my feelings of fatigue. Also I found that increasing my fibre content by eating 3 servings of fruit, veggies, beans and whole grains actually fixed my ‘gluten’ issue. I’m wondering if this is a similar issue that people are experiencing?

[@cherylbauermeister6794]

Excellent discussion with a refreshingly friendly tone, especially final comments. Thanks to all 3 docs for acknowledging that there is still a lot we don't know, and that there is a lot of overlap in their message. WFPB diet works great for me, but realize it's not for everyone & science continues to evolve. It comes back to those famous 8 words: "eat real food, mostly plants, not too much". And I would add..."and get on with your life"...

[@LifewithAbraham]

This is awesome finally our trusted and learned friends, sit down and are civil to each other with the common goal of educating the common layman on what to avoid... I would love for the topic of what steps obese people should take.

[@perfumaphilia3246]

1) Real, whole food 2) Mostly plant-based (over 90% of your calories from plant sources), making sure to get an abundance of fruits and vegetables, with lesser amounts of nuts, seeds, grains, and legumes. The end. It's not that complicated.

[@MrsOxxx]

Perfumaphilia agree

[@glorioskiola]

Plus a little bit of meat. PEGAN

[@andiefot]

I really enjoyed this panel. Very balanced and mainly fact/science/experience based vs opinion.

[@jeerardoh]

Dr. Lipman told Dr. Kahn not to cherry pick and cite studies because 'science is always changing' but the first argument he made in minute 2 is all about how the latest research proves his point.

[@peytonrivers7526]

fun video. These docs all look pretty healthy so they should just keep up what they're doing. I'm with Dr. Hyman - his eating plan works best for me and is the easiest. I do think people should avoid eating as much unhealthy feedlot meat as possible. Heterocyclamines are in heated animal fat. People cook food at too high temperature. People should avoid foods like toast and crackers as they contain acrylamides from the high heat. There's nothing like grass-fed meat baked in the oven - the smoke point for each fat is key.

[@guitarsz]

as far as the coffee, also depends on the quality of coffee how you react to it

[@ittakesavillage5461]

Whole food plan based for the win

[@cincin4515]

He fails miserably when up against other heart surgeons.

[@beyamama]

Dr. Khan looks the happiest and most content! just by sight he wins and the facts back him up 100%!!!

[@whitleyblaine4017]

+beyamama total logical fallacy on your part first of all... second of all mark looks happiest to me and i tend to agree with him, most likely just a case of confirmation bias.

[@chris675392]

beyamama mark looks like hes a recovering crackhead. He literally has the skin of Lindsey Lohan

[@Hi-ov5nj]

they all seem pretty happy to me

[@weightless9119]

And the most overweight

[@planetetrangere]

When he says I remove my patients from gluten.. Does he have patients that eat pure gluten? No they probably eat muffins, white bread and croissants and when they quit gluten, they probably don't just stop gluten they stop processed foods..

[@zxyatiywariii8]

11:28 "It's what we do in Western medicine: we scare the shit outta people." 😳 So true!

[@firesnakezero4575]

+zxy atiywariii How else are they gonna make money?

[@z-scart5463]

+zxy atiywariii The funny thing is, this "scare" if you even want to call it that, doesn't work...there is no scare. You know what we actually do in western medicine, PILLS FOR EVERYTHING!

[@zxyatiywariii8]

+FireSnakeZero +Z-Scart Exactly!

[@z-scart5463]

zxy atiywariii I apologize...let me put more of an emphasizes on my message here."there is no scare(of saturated fats)" I really think, people either don't give a fuck about their health here in america, or they're just so blundered with our shitty healthcare system. Doctors here are trained to fix acute injuries, not chronic injuries. Why? Because with something like a broken arm...it's not an ongoing problem, you either fix it and treat it, or don't. As compared to a chronic injuries or illnesses, you have this ongoing persistent problem. "Your arteries are clogging...here take these pills!" "But doctor....what causes this?" "We don't know (we weren't trained to know)...so here please take these pills, or else your risk of dying will increase dramatically." It's a scam.

[@colemctarmach2397]

What about Dr.Neal Barnard? He seems very knowledgable on the subject of food.

[@JoeEarthling101]

fantastic discussion!..wonderful docs,.clear direct nutrition info..based on measurable outcomes..funny..clever & caring..food IS medicine..easy to follow and followup disparate views..many thnx,.joe

[@RonnieKaufman1]

Why no captions? I am deaf and I need captions, in order to really grasp all that's being said. There is now a law in place, that states that all videos must be captioned!!! Why no captions?

[@dylangarrett8133]

No mention of Insulin and growth hormone?

[@samanthaharris2342]

Im Vegan with an Autoimmune disease and I agree 100% with Dr. Hyman

[@heyfkldsm]

I loved this, especially liked what Hyman and Kahn had to say. It's definitely a strategic move to put Hyman in the middle because he was a sort of a mediator. Maybe he's a Libran? Hehe

[@maristellaw3110]

I love how they just sort of nod along when it's somebody else's turn to speak. I bet they are all internally screaming throughout the whole thing. Especially Dr. Kahn.

[@mrbonzzai]

He was being too much of a gentleman.

[@ylonmc2]

mrbonzzai that’s the issue with Kahn, he’s smart but too much of a good heart, I don’t know how he can be so agreeable, sure it makes for a good person but come on Kahn get mad, you’re here to help people’s health not to win a popularity contest, IMO it would help more people if you were more aggressive

[@susexghosthunters]

I was raised on meat and 3 veg dinners, as well as pasta often. I’ve since learned that the meat, gluten and dairy has caused me to be very unwell. I almost lost my life 3 times over the years. Since cutting out red meat, gluten , dairy and actually almost all meat, bar chicken (in very small amounts), fish also in small amounts, my health has improved. I don’t trust packaged foods information. I truly believe there’s more additives than are listed. Only today I learned that most pizza places sell pizza advertised as “Ham” but following testing some 25 different pizzas from 25 different places in a 3 mile radius, found the so called “Ham” turned out to be “Turkey” in 23 out of the 25! Still believe what you see on the menu???! You’re all being misled 😢😢😢

[@Seansousa757]

It’s funny how it’s the vegan that has central adiposity

[@HelmetBlissta]

Enjoy life, eat whole foods, avoid processed foods. I was vegan thirty years ago, now keto omnivore.

[@christopherjones9798]

It's great that they all agreed that there is no one diet that works for everyone. And gut health, super important!!!

[@westfieldartworks8188]

Oh...I was glad to see this video. I've been low fat Vegan for 7 months. It's done a lot for my blood pressure and many other things related to my heart. I did lose some muscle unfortunately as I dropped weight a bit too quickly. I'm thinking about moving to Paleo-vegan...for awhile, and just see how it goes. The healthy fat addition through a few walnuts would be nice...and a slight increase in protein I believe may help me retrieve that lost muscle along with resistance work in the gym. But it was nice to see these talented guys hash it out for us. Thank you.

[@aedryk]

What is Paleo-vegan?

[@geniusofmozart]

Saturated fat is harmful, but there's no reason for a vegan to shy away from healthy monounsaturated and polyunsaturated fats found in olive oil, nuts and seeds. Having plenty of plant proteins (legumes, soya, even whole-grains like quinoa) is great too. If you have a diet low in saturated fat, sugar and refined carbohydrates, then everything will fall into place.

[@pendletwinsong]

The inuit DID have heart disease

[@lankysapien3032]

+Alex Apland and osteoporosis.

[@hiddenbayes]

So did the Masai, all while eating the cleanest animal products available: ATHEROSCLEROSIS IN THE MASAI American Journal of Epidemiology, Volume 95, Issue 1, 1 January 1972, Pages 26-37 academic.oup.com/aje/article-abstract/95/1/26/167903 The hearts and aortae of 50 Masai men were collected at autopsy. These pastoral people are exceptionally active and fit and they consume diets of milk and meat. The intake of animal fat exceeds that of American men. Measurements of the aorta showed extensive atherosclerosis with lipid infiltration and fibrous changes but very few complicated lesions. The coronary arteries showed intimal thickening by atherosclerosis which equaled that of old U.S. men. The Masai vessels enlarge with age to more than compensate for this disease. It is speculated that the Masai are protected from their atherosclerosis by physical fitness which causes their coronary vessels to be capacious.

[@drakefire1800]

The first set of studies googled all say the Inuit had very low rates of heart disease.

[@fullTimeVeganinOhio]

drake fire and lower longevity

[@someguy2135]

@@fullTimeVeganinOhio Longevity is the bottom line. If you die sooner, it doesn't matter why you die.

[@lotuskoko]

I can attest to what Dr. Hyman was describing with the difference in wheat. As an American who developed a wheat intolerance I was worried about moving to Italy (hello, pasta central!). Never had an issue. I don't think you can prescribe a certain diet for most people. Basics aside, i.e., eating whole foods, there are different factors that influence health. Amount of stress and exercise. Environment... Before moving to Laos, I was healthy. I rarely ate processed foods (occasional fast foods, sweets, etc.). I did eat meats and animal fats. I led an active outdoor lifestyle - climber, hiker, biker. Casual yoga practitioner. I had low stress levels. I lived in the mountains. Never took the flu vaccination and even when exposed to people who developed the flu didn't get sick, or any medication for that matter. Only pills I took were vitamins. My numbers after checkups were always good... Now, after having lived in Laos for 4 years now, I'm seriously concerned about my health. I think I am the victim of a perfect storm - antibiotics every year (one year even twice), high stress, toxic environment, and due to low levels of energy as a result of getting sick, little to no exercise... To sum it up, I don't think diet should be an isolated discussion. Funny how the comments section is dominated by vegans.

[@HolisticHealing]

And the question of the best diet will never be completely solved because everyone is soo diverse, with different genetics and different environments. However with common sense and by understanding natural law, we can all get healthier and heal our body. Great video.

[@smilingismyfavorit]

All human beings are 99.9 percent identical in their genetic makeup (the human genome). We are more alike than diverse. Members of the same species generally get the nutrients they need from a similar type of diet. The physicians agreed more than they disagreed though, that a whole foods plant-based diet is best, which minimizes processed food and refined sugar; they just disagreed on the amount of fat, and the idea of whether gluten is harmful (although what Dr Kahn said about these concepts is the most supported by research).

[@lisengel2498]

Very clearly demonstrated and explained, but it would be very helpfull with a written recipe for downloading 😀💚🍀

[@HabitsV2]

I agree with Joel Kahn that we need to train doctors that food is medicine. The problem is right there on the stage. These are all doctors who can't agree WHICH food is medicine. Kahn is not advocating for what he speaks. As soon as you bring morality into the equation, the food as medicine line is just that, a line. Science can decipher what food is medicine. Morality is opinion and will always muddy the waters.

[@MarcoMeerman]

From left to right, from less science to much science. What they have in common: No refined sugar, no refined grains and no junk food.

[@SoulintheRaw]

Joel Kahn you're incredible, thank you!!! And thanks for mentioning animal welfare. I love that veganism is not just about you as a person - you keep the whole planet in mind.

[@roelrachoindustrialautomat2016]

Soul in the Raw In my opinion plant is same as animals and same as human. Plants have a complex organ to process and digest their food. So if you dont eat meat you must not eat fish. And if you dont eat fish you must not eat plants.

[@notthisguy5068]

Oh the whole planet again! It's so trendy to think you can save the planet.

[@dawnlorraineskincare]

Animal welfare can be included in a meat based diet too. And actually he is very misinformed. Pasteur raised, grass fed ruminant animals restore soil health which has massive carbon sequestration capacity, more than rainforests, and promotes biodiversity.

[@michellealmonte6595]

Marks closing comment sealed the deal for this being the best KZbin vid ever!!

[@jameslefleur1970]

I'm confused that the Paleo doctor advocates grains which are not paleo by definition...

[@Ciaranhbennett]

They should remember that people coming off gluten are also restricting a lot of other foods and calories that come with eating bread i.e. Sandwiches. I did it, and felt great, but was that more to do with calory restriction/weight loss and reduction in processed meats that come with bread?

[@shyrineziadeh]

You should have brought Dc John Mcdougal or Dc T. Collin Campbell! I'd rather be listening to them and learning from those like mind legends! :) eating plant based diet/ high Carb, low fat..has been showing its advantages in reversing diseases! i can't believe those doctors are still talking about animal products!!!

[@shyrineziadeh]

alright :)

[@biggybg98]

***** Maybe You should open up your mind lady....You want to get rid of diabetes without medicine in the most ethical and humane way? Read Dr. Neal Barnard's book....keep on keepin on shyrine!!!

[@biggybg98]

***** T. Collin Campbell's China Study or Dr. Esselstyn flawed!?!?! Bring forth your typical nonsensical study....Get your head out of your ass lady... eat some veggies

[@shyrineziadeh]

Thank u John Marino lol

[@MariahKay]

shyrine ziadeh EXACLTY. Plant-based vegan is hands down the best way to go!

[@blindbookworm8019]

I really liked this debate...They were all very nice to each other and they agreed on some things. They did not want to see fast food in hospitals...

[@alekai2178]

Dr Lipman “I’m doing less harm by doing more harm” sounds logically af bro

[@AmmarAlsamak]

What is funny is what you think is healthy and right will be for you!

[@nofurtherwest3474]

Dr Hyman seems to have the most nuanced and holistic understanding of diet.

[@CopoeiraBernardo]

Man they really need more views. This is so informative

[@cocobrook]

Amen. Dr. Kahn... only sensible one on this video Greatest points covered it all at 20.10 mark. Greatest point in the whole video.

[@carterri04]

What about carniverous plants?

[@SuzanneU]

I'm very pleased to see that Dr. Frank Lipman recognizes the importance of genetic variability.

[@danL1011]

At 21:00 How does a human go to a plant based source for B-12??? I'm surprised the other two didn't challenge J. Kahn.

[@jlee5236]

+danL1011 Its a bacteria that is found in the soil (if it isn't depleted), so you could technically get it if you didn't wash your produce like carrots. They actually add B-12 to the feed for animals because most soil from where animals eat is depleted.

[@danL1011]

+Jlee523 Oh sure. B-12 is produced by bacteria in the soil. The problem is that humans are not ruminants and there is no way we can obtain what we need from the soil like cows. We can't consume enough dirt to get the B-12 we need. But a vegan did inform me that there is a tribe in Iran that fertilizes their crops with night soil. So apparently this "vegan" community which does not wash its plant based food very well DOES get adequate amounts of B-12 (produced in the colon) by eating their neighbor's sheet and absorbing the B-12 in the small intestine. Personally, I'd rather not consume my neighbor's sheet. Just saying. [They actually add B-12 to the feed for animals because most soil from where animals eat is depleted.] Close but not quite. Factory farmed cows are given B-12 supplements b/c they are fed corn and do not graze on pasture. The liver of pasture raised cows is choc full of B-12. So for me, I'd rather eat liver (where ruminants store extra B-12) and butter from pasture raised cows than consuming human sheet. How 'bout you? There is also an Asian Indian community of vegans who are not B-12 deficient. Turns out they consume the feces and carcasses of insects that have contaminated the grain they consume. While I might be persuaded to consume insects, I am not likely to willingly consume insect droppings. How 'bout you?

[@jlee5236]

ahhh, interesting. Thanks for the info!

[@danL1011]

Romania de azi Why are you linking to a blog about milk? Did you have a point to make? Or were you just practicing your American English?

[@RT-vw6yw]

When a doctor says he's "not that enamored with science," that's what we call a red flag.

[@terraflow__bryanburdo4547]

Excellent debate; it clarifies key issues and offers insight as to options for actionable courses of action. As a dietary "centrist" I welcome such a discussion so that each person can make more informed decisions appropriate to their unique lifestyle. I will insert this one sidelight on the Okinawans: the study of island biogeography shows us that adptation rates can be very high in closed gene pools in specialized environments. It would make sense that they might be more adapted to an agricultural diet and lifestyle than the rest of us, just as speciation occurs much faster on islands with the right set of influences (going back to Darwin's finches, etc.). It would be interesting to do more genetic research around this topic with regards to their diet, metabolism, etc..

[@AxeBearWhoCares]

He said he was on the Mediterranean diet and was afraid of fats. Fun fact, Mediterranean diet is all for healthy fats. Olive oil, nuts, fatty fish, etc.

[@zachellis3378]

Gluten causes or is heavily associated with inflammatory cell production? Really?!

[@OnlineMD]

I have read Dr. Hyman's book, "Eat Fat Get Thin." He recommends mostly plant based fats such as avocados, nuts, seeds, coconut, and such. Yes he does say eat eggs but not to excess. (I don't; they are proven to raise TMAO in the blood) I can say one thing....after I read the book I started eating about an ounce and a half of mixed nuts and seeds with breakfast, and honestly have felt better. What's in the mixture: walnuts, almonds, pecans, pistachios, and seeds: chia, pumpkin, sunflower and hemp. This will always be a part of my diet. But no more fat than that if I can help it. However: except for that I continue a plant based balanced diet. Good low glycemic load carbs, good fat and good (plant) protein. We do NOT, NOT, NOT need animal protein or animal anything to maintain good health. A video clip of Dr. Hyman shows him raving about lamb, but best I recall the book does not push animal fat at all and is not true "Paleo." Look at the cover picture, it explains it all. The only animal foods he recommends are grass fed and not feed lot fed. His website says he's a "Paleo-Vegan (Pegan)." drhyman.com/blog/2014/11/07/pegan-paleo-vegan/ I think we need a wonderful balance in our foods, but I am determined that we do NOT need animal foods. He pushes protein but he is misguided in that vegetable proteins are not only more than adequate, they ensure good health. Look at an elephant- it does not consume animal protein. We don't need fish either. For a thousand years my ancestors in India never saw a fish on their dinner tables; nothing that walks, swims or flies. And they were wonderfully healthy until the onset of highly processed foods. Then their health started deteriorating. Flour of all kinds especially, as Dr. Hyman says. I agree with him entirely on that. However, current medical trends are towards a plant based, whole foods (no processed carbs or processed fats) diet...the kind of diet that saved Bill Clinton. I am an MDVIP Internist and do study a great deal about diet and health.

[@jaym9846]

> ... eat eggs but not to excess. (I don't; they are proven to raise TMAO in the blood) If a person is following a plant based diet (thus has a less pathogenic gut flora), does the occasional consumption of eggs result in the production of any significant amount of TMAO?

[@roblovegreen]

The best way to take your coffee is black, organic light roast and in the rear. I know it sounds strange but Coffee enemas are a powerful way to detox the liver and raise glutathione levels. One coffee enema a day for a week and you will notice how amazing you feel and how your skin begins to glow. That said, a high nutrient diet is always the foundation for good health and for a person to not just survive but thrive.

[@aedryk]

You are correct. For hundreds of thousands of years human beings have been squirting this magical juice up their assholes to receive the blessings of nature's first bidet. Biologists for centuries thought of the anus as merely an exit for solid waste, and an occasional entry for sex, but the real biological reason we have a butthole is to put coffee in it. Sound logic there bud.

[@JenniferHernandez-vh4iw]

That's a great idea for the testing..paleo or vegan whos healthier

[@emilyadams4745]

Vegan is best ❤️

[@kevinburtnick7818]

Joel nailed it!!!!!! Hospitals and junk food!!! Unbelievable they serve that in Hospitals. Excellent video

[@glorioskiola]

Mark Hyman makes the most sense. Whole food plant BASED, plus some meat. Low on the beans and grains. No sugar and processed foods, no crappy seed oils (which are heavily processed).

[@MikaCole-2008]

He calls it plant rich

[@joebruhin2098]

what about eggs?

[@gabebabe1]

Why can't you guys do the first comprehensive study where you take 2 or 3 groups of each of pre diabetics, type 2 diabetics, people with clogged arteries etc etc and long term experiment with their diet? Same (low) level of exercise, then add exercise - ie examine the effects of every component - inflammatory foods, fats, flour, sugar sources etc

[@suzanne8637]

Anyone know what is best to eat now? I feel more confused after watching this, lol.

[@lyssadobbins7209]

At 9:09 I'd like to see the findings of this study. I mean, it was such a broad thing to say. If I had to guess, I'd say that the people who started the high fat diet were coming from a past of even a higher fat diet and that's why they lost weight. Or they restricted caloric intake. I mean, most people are losing fat when they lose weight so if by eating a bunch of fat makes you lose more fat then we're living in a parallel universe. I really dislike when people generalize a study like this. I need to know the confounding factors and variables.

[@cutabove9046]

Do any ways of eating besides low fat, whole food vegan show reversal of heart disease since this video was published? Yep, the medical school at Ben-Gurion University in Israel did two studies that both showed reversal. The first study was the Med Diet with 40% olive oil and the 2nd was of all things Paleo/Atkins low carb, high fat. Both showed reversal of heart disease. The doctors found that what was common to all reversals was weight loss regardless of how it was achieved.

[@jaym9846]

Actually there were 3 diets (LoFat, Med, LoCarb). All 3 reduced plaque. LoCarb did 'best' followed by LoCarb and then Med however the differences were not statistically significant. circ.ahajournals.org/content/121/10/1200.long

[@danpt2000]

The Okinawa health has been damaged by American military bases there, introducing American Fast Food. The younger Okinawans are lured by American style food and establishments.

[@someguy2135]

Right. The longevity advantage that Dr. Kahn mentioned is due to the traditional diet of older Okinawan's. High carb, low fat, only 1% meat.

[@christinenassle1723]

Graham's 80/10/10 diet is severely deficient in many nutrients found in plants and animal fats. I cringe when people promote that macro nutrient ratio since I became severely sick on a low fat vegan diet of fruits, veg and 'whole grains'. I have highlighted all the deficiencies of these low fat vegan diets in a Chapter in my eBook entitled "Why I quit veganism"

[@clintwhite3021]

I saw your video - Its ridiculous! Wen't to see your eBook - It doesn't exist! Went to your website - Got redirected to spam! YOU'VE BEEN SPRUNG TROLL!!!!!!

[@roelrachoindustrialautomat2016]

In the Phillippe during Spanish era. Filipinos have average of 90 years living. Before we eat rice and meat and vegetable. But that time most people are healthy. But after the American colonization. Filipino adapted the American culture of eating. Introducing sodas and junk foods. Now new generation of Filipino life expectancy is 75 years old.

[@waterfoker8558]

Every American needs to watch this

[@PusheenQueen2]

I hate beans. I don't think I could give up meat or honey but eggs I'm probably going to give up. I gave up dairy because it felt like someone was having a knife fight in my stomach and gave up gluten. If it were possible I would be willing not to eat meat but not being able to eat dairy, gluten and possibly corn as my doctor thinks I'm sensitive to it makes me wonder what am i going to eat. Trying to learn as much as I can so I can get my almost 14 month old daughter eating healthy young so she's used to it. She loves her almond milk.

[@roberthenry918]

A plant-based diet is a fast track to insulin resistance for lots of people. I tried it and it didn't work for me. Grass-fed meats, pastured eggs (not soy fed), wild caught fish, gluten-free grains, potatoes, rice, veg's, a little fruit. That's what works for me. If you feel tired after eating a high carb meal, then it's probably time to look at your diet more carefully.

[@HolisticHealing]

Yerba mate and chocolate have much more available antioxidants lol.... Nice try though.

[@emvoneuw]

I'M WITH YA, JOEL!! You killed it. x

[@joeyodonnell123]

+Emily von Euw And I'm with you, Emily!! And you, Joel!!

[@lynxo5695]

Amazing and informative discussion. Learned a lot from watching them discuss. Even though they dont all agree. Excellent 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@Soul_Younes]

I'd argue that we have taken ourselves long ago out of the environment in every other way, I mean we live in civilization far away from nature. It doesn't make sense to argue that we should keep consuming animals like other animals do, especially when no other animal is consuming us. As to what he said about gluten, I am not knowledgeable about gluten, but Kahn quoted studies that include large populations. Frank Lipman's argument was based on the patients that visit him. This tiny population of people who come to him feeling sick in not inclusive of all the other people who are doing well with gluten, and which form a far bigger part of society. My point is: he can't draw out conclusions from this point, because the people are only visiting him because they're sick in the first place. He didn't experiment on healthy people.

[@LaneCodeRedCarnivore]

I don't want a doctor experimenting on me !!

[@Perimondeo]

I'm from Singapore and the health authorities is doing the right thing by imposing punitive action on cigarette smoking and sugar consumption. But the doctors are still behind time when it comes to cholesterol. Cardiologists are telling people on TV that cholesterol in the diet is the cause of coronary heart disease and that people should take statins to lower cholesterol.

[@Chrisisms]

Each dr, particularly the paleo drs are overly concerned about offending each other. The reassurance and group hugs are over the top, detracting from the 'debate' with missed opportunities to provide thought provoking or additional data. How many times did they need to hug each other and stress that they agree with most things?

[@johnnyroe8053]

it's because part of him knows that he's full of shit

[@MarcoMeerman]

I have this diet: Whole food plant based vegan, low fat, no refined sugar, grains or other processed foods.

[@stan8926]

I was Paleo for 10 years and felt OK but in the end CVD caught up to me.

[@jsvboston]

great idea and group ....... its easy to disagree and have a laugh doing it knowing its not 1 opinion lecturing at us as the only way to be healthy.. great dialoge APPROACH!!!!

[@joeschmuckleberry9918]

At 19:49, what kind of test is kahn recommending? i can't understand what he's saying. coronary artery casting score?

[@siegfriedfurtwanglerknappe6188]

calcium score.

[@velvetbarton9823]

He said Coronary Artery Calcium Score. Actually shows how much buildup you have in your arteries. My Cardiologist suggested that I for me to take the test. It cost around $100.00 and tells you how much plaque is in your arteries.

[@nikkischrand1336]

Frank made himself look like a complete idiot. Thank you Dr. Kahn for speaking up for health, environment and our animals!!!

[@frankfromupstateny3796]

Another thing....when you ask YOUR doctor....whether or not they believe in nutrition...if they have no opinion....or say NO.....run.....RUN AS FAST AS YOU CAN.

[@MaryPerrino]

Its disappointing to read some of these comments. I thought the panelists had great points based on a lot of experience, research, and knowledge. The fact is, we don't know which diet is "best", so all these commenters on their high horses have no actual information to back themselves up with. Why is it so hard for us to respect other people's lifestyles and have a civilized discussion, just like these guys did on the panel?

[@clairesmith4969]

This was so interesting, I’m gonna need more episodes

[@jansuhadolnik5373]

There isn't really any discussion required. Whole foods plant based diet, the closer you get to it, the better off you are.

[@JamesSmith-cm7sg]

Nice generic statement

[@derekpool5249]

Not even 5min in and this Frank Lipman guy is pissing me off.

[@garynemisis8538]

Dr. Robert Morse would run circles around these doctors.

[@TheWsteed]

9:40 can someone please update me when this hits the app store? :)

[@erinveronica8533]

I think they did a good job going over some issues here- but what about getting into 'anti- nutrients'- oxalates (because i get really confused with this) white potatoes/ nuts/legumes/cocoa (and maybe other 'superfoods?) and the way they break down during digestion (including sugars and types of natural sugars) - isn't the digestion the central figure of a health diet/system ? raw food vs cooked food ( 3 of my natural doctors have advised me to only eat cooked vegetables (raw fruits seems ok, I've heard arguments on fresh juicing and ways to juice or not), but i wonder about enzymes) It does really annoy me when people talk about 'plant based diet' and then eat mostly processed foods- or rather grain and pasta based diet (also seems common in for those practicing vegan) but do we have to get so into the titles- at the end we're just trying to eat as healthy as fit for us, our loved ones and protect a healthy ecosystem, right? It seems fair to say that most/all? would agree that processed foods are the center of most diet based illness ( with extra emphasis on high calorie/low nutrient fats and carbohydrates) (also eating non GMO seems like a no brainer- what do we have to do to be sure that we get gmo labeled) - but also what about foods that you process yourself (aka home prepared bean burgers, or coconut flour breads)- and aren't grains all somewhat processed but the time we get them- also how about fermented foods and cooking temperatures/methods and techniques- and then what about the type of pans and containers our foods are cooked and stored in... food combining... juicing...farming practices...