3 Kinds of Traditional Latin Mass: 1) Solemn, 2) Sung, 3) Low Mass

This is a sample video form the New Saint Thomas Institute about the Traditional Latin Mass on the three kinds of Traditional Latin Masses: 1) Solemn, 2) Sung, 3) Low Mass. To take Dr. Marshall's full course on the Traditional Latin Mass and the History of the Roman Rite, sign up as a Premium member student at: newsaintthomas.com
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[@zz-no4nv]

He faces the altar because he is talking to God, not to you. Its sublime, ancient beauty and reverence elevate the worship.

[@d1burns]

Yes. This is another time it's not about you or me. It's about God.

[@itsnando20]

It’s like he is the servant talking to God in behalf of the congregation. It’s beautiful.

[@ChristopherWentling]

Yes, it’s the people of god worshiping together not an entertainment show.

[@idforfilm]

Holy mass is not a stage show where the priest perform to entertain people or to make them feel satisfied.. It's a holy sacrifice offered to God the father and the sacrificial lamb is our Lord himself. So ad orientum is the right and true way of worshipping the God. But even some dioceses in my Eastern Catholic church practice versus populum after V2. I thank God that my bishops are strong ad orientum supporters. I wish from the bottom of my heart that all Catholics return to ad orientum worship.

[@bijogeojose7209]

@@tomgreene2282 Well, the mass is for us, but it's not about us, it's about Jesus. The mass is centered around him and his holy sacrifice.

[@hl1377]

Low Mass is my favorite. Especially if it is a very early morning daily Mass with just the Priest, 1 server, and a few faithful - the quiet, contemplative, deep experience is incomparable for me.

[@marthawanjiru9865]

I love it too....it is my 1st tlm and am totally loving it.

[@terrynelson2373]

I'm 73 and I remember going to church for 6am Mas with my mother before school. The quiet holiness in the church is impossible to describe especially after communion. I miss this Mass.

[@katperson7332]

@@terrynelson2373 I’m also 73 and especially during Lent we children would be sent to early morning Mass on weekdays before school. We then went straight on to school I think, rather than go back home for breakfast. We probably had a piece of toast with us to eat on the way to school as we would have fasted since the night before. We felt so holy getting up early to walk to the local Church, which was about a 15min walk from our house. The school was near us, on our way back home. I’m in Scotland and our Faith was such a big part of our lives.

[@dankmatter3068]

@@katperson7332 You and Terry had it good, you are both so lucky, I'm jealous haha!

[@Ripplenator]

Prior to VCII, even small parish churches had Solemn High Masses on occasion, such as 40 Hours and Requiems. Priests from nearby parishes would come to assist.

[@michaellefort6128]

Christmas and Easter were our two Biggie's back in the day.

[@Ripplenator]

Nearby larger parishes probably did back in the day as they had several priests. Back then, most parishes had at least 2 priests. Mine had only a single priest but there were sung Masses on those days.

[@Ripplenator]

@Matthew Joseph Of course! I can barely remember this from roughly the mid-60s (my age was in the single digits). Parishes within the diocese would take turns "hosting" a 40 hour period of exposition of the Blessed Sacrament (commemorating the 40 hour period from Christ's death to his resurrection). Some parishes had continuous adoration day and night. I believe my small parish reposed the Sacrament at night. It opened with Mass and Litany of the Saints. On the second day, Mass was said on a side altar while the Blessed Sacrament was exposed on the high altar. The devotion closed with the Litany of the Saints, Eucharistic procession, and Benediction. It was an impressive ceremony to my young self. Several priests, lots of altar boys, and the Knights of Columbus participated. I had a bird's eye view from the choir loft (my grandmother was the choir director). Of course all of this was labelled "pre-Vatican" and the devotion stopped here, but is maintained in traditionalist parishes.

[@gisellem_d_]

I am so Blessed to find you!!! I was born and raised Catholic, born in 1969. My parents took me to Latin Mass sometimes, but not regularly. I remember loving it but was very young but didn’t understand it, but I remember the incense. In my 20’s I rarely went to Church In my 30’s I was introduced to the Evangelical Church by my husband and his family. I adopted the Pentecostal Church was re-baptized in my 40’s, but after years of adopting my new faith, I still felt empty at times. Although, I did discover the Bible, which was good! Through my changing of political views I went from being very Liberal to Conservative, and through your channel and others very similar, like Remnant TV, I rediscovered my Faith! I learned that all my years considering myself a Catholic and a reformed Catholic, I knew nothing about the 2nd Vatican Counsel and a lightbulb or candle was lit in my soul! All this time I’ve been looking for what already was introduced too, “The Latin Mass”. I am planning on attending a Mass this week but not too many out there anymore. However, I was able to find a Church in Yardley NJ about 45 minutes from my home and after I do some more research and have a veil, I will be making that trek! Thank you for giving me my Faith back!!! I cannot wait to attend my first Latin Mass as an adult now, middle-aged, however it’s better than never. I still don’t understand why my very Catholic parents never explained to me why, what, or how the new order of Catholic Mass was? I am so taken back that my wonderful Godly parents never explained to me what a real Catholic Mass was and why it’s important? I forgive them as they were rule followers and not ones to go against the grain, but man I wish they would have, how differently my walk with God would have been and perhaps my Faith wouldn’t have strayed from the one, “ True Church! Hallelujah & Amen! 💗

[@baoduong2203]

My first TLM mass was a low mass. Didn’t know what was going on. I hated it. Went to a low mass again... I hated it.... months later I attended the high mass for the first time... I cried... went to high mass again now I can follow along the mass better with the missal. Attended the low mass and I can follow along with the cues better. I just love the TLM so much now. Been attending the TLM and praying the old divine office exclusively for almost a year now. Much better than NO mass. I knew the Byzantine rite Divine Liturgy before the TLM due to my exploration with Eastern Orthodox. I thought I would like the Byzantine rite more, but I think I prefer TLM.

[@007leet]

I prefer divine liturgy more but it's really just cultural differences between them. One the Latins did and one the Greeks did.

[@thomascarter198]

The low Mass in our church had 2 Altar Boys. The High Mass had 14 Altar Boys.

[@Success4u247]

I was an alter boy in the early 1960s and a I had a very special job to do , that’s what the priest told me , then he would start the mass with his back turned away and thence he did talk in a different language, I couldn’t understand it ,But I knew it was holy.

[@poppyde7314]

Wonderful! Thanks for sharing

[@sarto2010]

altar

[@eddieschwab864]

@@sarto2010 no need to correct, it was probably autocorrect malfunction that was missed :)

[@sarto2010]

@@eddieschwab864 Unlikely.

[@Viva-Cristo-Rey-]

Serving at a low mass in a small chapel is such an intimate experience with our Lord. I just love it.

[@edilalewis654]

The only time I feel like I'm in a temple of God is the Catholic Church all the other churches are like performers teaching and like the feeling but it when it come a Misa now that's like going into the house of God

[@bodyofhope]

You are the temple of God. We are His church. No building is God's church. Christ and John the Baptist didn't require a building, and neither do we. It's indeed a blessing to be worshiping together with our brothers & sisters, but you're standing on holy ground any time you commune with the Lord... I hope that is daily or "without ceasing"

[@eve3363]

Catholicism is the biggest show.

[@jaimealvarez5666]

@Eve elaborate if so please. Insult all you want but there are shows on tv not in the church of god, only prayer and worship.

[@alexandrasilva2314]

Thank you Dr Marshall God Bless you and your Family Abundantly

[@michaellefort6128]

When you've been to a Solemn High Mass you'll know you've been to Church.

[@rlriehn85]

Absolutely!

[@1945yousef]

Im sorry but that is a very presumptuous statement. Say that to all the countries where the bishops are tyrants and we can barely get to celebrate a Low Mass secretly in rough places once a year. Count your blessings

[@d1burns]

​@@1945yousef Thank you for reminding us that not all of our brothers and sisters in Christ can enjoy the extraordinary beauty of the Solemn High Mass. I pray that one day we all will have that opportunity. I believe the person who said that was speaking of the majesty and beauty of the Solemn High Mass compared to perhaps the Novus Ordo Mass that is celebrated in the vernacular.

[@geuse_chandesu4273]

@@1945yousef Very True in Archdiocese of Manila

[@barbaragomez5612]

@@1945yousef blessings counted for every single Mass he gifts me with. Thank You Lord God!!! Amen🕊️🙏🕊️

[@precilaelman3583]

Thank you.. thank you.. thank you Dr. Marshall ! So wonderful knowing deeply about our Catholic Faith and making it easy to understand with the Latin mass. Appreciate it now more than ever before. Thank God for you..You’re heaven sent. God bless.

[@marcokite]

my first ever TLM was a Low Mass and I loved it - still do

[@elyassemaan9967]

Thank you for your wonderful teaching Dr Marshall, may our Lord bless you and your family

[@xiomaraporta-blanco4892]

Excellent introduction! Now we need to watch a High Mass and then attend to one. Enjoy it!😇

[@rlriehn85]

I promise you won't be sorry. I watched a live stream for weeks. The first time I went in person, I felt like my Novus Ordo was a protestant service. This is Catholicism at it's best!

[@rc3088]

Raquel that's my name too, and I love it when they face the alter it seems so obvious that we are showing great respect in that manner.

[@JenniferSilva-ih7ov]

I love being catholic, and I love high mass it’s absolutely beautiful. Thank God for allowing me to attend traditional latin mass.

[@josephgonzalez8220]

I serve at the Ancient Rite Latin Mass as AC2. Love it. I can't wait to serve for the first time this Christmas at the midnight mass. Thank you for all you do Dr. Taylor Marshall

[@richardthornton7518]

Christmas Memories!! Back in 1958 was the head of the altar Boy Society at Holy Name Church in Sheboygan, Wisconsin. In those days the Priests had to celebrate three Christmas Masses. Fr. Ledvorowski, closest priest ever seen close to saint hood, had to celebrate one mass in before going to his family in South Milwaukee!! He was a Pietist....not my cup of tea...but he was a holy man contributing the formative impact on my formation in the Church. Was never trying to get up any altar boys butt. Was in a position to know!! Mother got me out of bed at 2AM!! Bundled up and off I went into the cold snowy winter night!! These were the Olde Latin Rites and we celebrated a High Mass on one of Holy Names side altars. Only light was the neighboring Nativity Display.....Norway Pines and colored light and their scent!! That was the only light with the six beeswax candles for the high mass!! We were not alone. A small bat came out of the choir loft and hovered above us. Looked up at it a few times. There were myths present in those days on bats!! That animal was my brother. Priest and Acolyte on a cold winters night!! Priceless!! If am granted the relfection time at my end , that memory will be there!!

[@richardthornton7518]

Another great Christmas experience under the Latin Rites: Served a Solemn High Mass as the lone server. Usually it took six altar boys to serve the three celebrants. At St Nicolas Hospital Main Chapel, Father Shecherik and myself were the whole celebration!! There was one of the good sisters who helped direct me from the sidelines!! It came out alright!!

[@pedrogutierrez1547]

Screenshot... let me guess... From the “Treasure and Tradition, The Ultimate Guide to the Latin Mass” book from St. Augustine Academy Press? Personally, a must have. You need to add it to your happy meal Dr. Marshall.

[@dwirpar]

I’m a convert from Buddhism , went to Catholic school , baptized but never practiced Catholicism and still practiced Buddhism with parents at home. Converted and went to non denomination being Catholic , joined the Catholic charismatic. Pandemic brought me to confusion in the church. I attended Latin Mass starting Christmas 2023. THANK YOU VERY MUCH for the explanation & video about Latin Mass. You are one of the instruments God use to bring me to be more Traditional in the church. I found a Fine Pearl in the Latin Mass although I’m still a kindergartener in TLM.

[@arq.margotcueto9524]

Thank you very much Dr. Marshall.

[@TemplumFerreum]

There is a latin mass tonight. I think its low mass. It will be mine and my wife's first tlm. I'm excited

[@paulmartinez2480]

DR. MARSHALL THANK YOU!🤗👍👍👍🙏👍🙏👍🙏👍!!

[@MiguelHernandez-rw4xu]

Thank you for sharing, Dr.

[@hismajesty6272]

I went to a Low Mass. I am a Protestant, and I was interested in seeing what it was like. I found it very interesting.

[@jayco005]

Thanks for the video DR.

[@barbarakornacki8599]

So glad I came across this today after attending my second Latin Mass. I knew the first one I went to was a Low Mass as there was no singing and had only two lit candles. Today I first noticed there were six lit candles but no Deacons, only servers attended the Priest and there was organ music and a singer. Now I know what it was called. I learn so much from your videos, thank you.

[@SevenDeMagnus]

Very nice. Latin mass is the best- most focus on God. I just close my eyes (peeking only to know if it's time to sit or stand) with the other masses so it's like Latin mass, with no distractions. God bless.

[@bogotababy1197]

THANK YOU SO MUCH for sharing, at no cost , for people like me, with no time, money to pay the tuition . Thank you so much for explain to all of us, things that MOTHER CHURCH SHOULD HAVE TOUGHT , when we were kids . Thank you knowledge is power ..................

[@martinoneill2253]

thank you Dr Marshall

[@denimcowboy501]

Great information. Thank you, Dr. Marshal

[@Adam-fj9px]

Our fssp parish has 5 priests so we're very fortunate to have one low mass a day mon-sat and then a solemn high mass every Sunday, with an extra two low masses early in the morning and at evening

[@giovannabrown6076]

Where is you parish located? Thank you!

[@pamelaallori8945]

I loved the low Mass each Sunday...quiet, serene, with no distractions...the 11:00 a.m. High Sunday Mass had the organ and chorus but only one priest. High Holidays was a high mass with 3 priests, organ and singer.

[@chesterkuzia7286]

Thank you for this refresher it took me back to Grade School at Saint Adalbert's, Pittsburgh, Pa.

[@CatholicChroma]

Finally, a simple explanation of the TLM!

[@mikkis668]

Thank you, great, clear info!

[@erikgruber9736]

Very systematic and structured video, just perfect

[@hummingbirdee9389]

This is a treasure as I always wanted to know the differences. Thank you! Doc, I want to know why is there so many different rites a priest can say at a mass? Viva Cristo Rey!!! ✝️🙏♥️

[@merius1000]

Thank you so much Dr. Marshall. I need to really watch his video as many times as it sinks in. When I think I get the specifics down I realize I have to go back and see the definition. Lol. Thank you so so much. For now on my case I am watching it on line till I find a church that does the Latin Mass. I might have to travel as far as sacramento but I will have to do some research. Thank you and God bless. 🙏

[@flatbushfox]

MAKES ME REMEMBER.

[@nhra7110]

excellent teaching - thank you

[@lightstheatreaction]

thank you! Yes! This was the mass type I was used to growing up, the priests are just like me and rest of attendees since they are all same as me, and they have to face the altar also, talking speaking to God Almighty! God the Father, Son and Holy Ghost! Thank you Dr Taylor Marshall! I haven't been able to check your youtube videos eversince we got to Mexico for much needed teeth emergency problems~!

[@mjp1688]

Hello all. I know it sounds crazy but I had a dream last night, and I don't dream so I feel compelled to say this to all of you. PLEASE pray the rosary as a novena preceding the Assumption of Mary. I think its most important for us. God bless.

[@bettyjmj]

God willing i will pray the Rosary 😊

[@terrorofdemons1168]

The Feast Of the Assumption is on the 15th so we need to start on Friday August the 7th. Is this correct?

[@kattfranklin6933]

Can you address the uniqueness of military mass. I miss it so much 😢

[@13thravenpurple94]

Great video 🫶 Thank you and God bless 😇

[@St_AngusYoung]

I would very much love to experience a solemn high mass. I have only been fortunate enough to attend 2 TLM and both were low masses. They were beautiful masses to be a part of. After only attending and still attending only the novus ordo mass, the Latin mass was a big eye opener, but a wonderful experience.

[@michaelkennedy996]

Helps so much…

[@josephpeed2002]

Low Mass is my favorite

[@exsurgedomine3222]

Thanks for the video. Could you elaborate a little on the different classes of mass or the former differences between Duplex, Simplex etc.!?

[@jesusacuna309]

Incense is used in almost every high mass today, but before 1962 you needed an indult for that. Another regional difference, Taylor Marshal mentioned the number of candles, is just what ceremonial it's mimicking. In Rome, they take a low mass and add the chant to it, the movements of the servers are nearly identical, so just two altar servers is fine. In other places, it's taking a solemn high mass and stripping it down a little, so it's a more full ceremony with more servers.

[@AI-hx3fx]

The most common Sunday Mass in my congregation is a Missa Cantata. I went to a different congregation and they always had a Low Mass.

[@thomascarter198]

The Low Mass was the daily Mass in our Church. The High Mass was sung with 14 Alter Boys. The Solemn Mass was only used for funeral services. Sad they changed it

[@johantrenier1685]

Low Mass is my go to.

[@johnsteiner2960]

I wish the TLM was readily available in all dioceses, it's sad when the closest TLM Chapel or Institution is hours away or even out of the state that you live in.

[@miriamlio1000]

Hojala pudieran poner títulos en español, en estos hermosisimos videos que nos acercan más a la grandeza de Dios

[@liberator275]

and why did the church suppressed it and replaced it with mcdonald's fast-food style NO mass?

[@liberator275]

@@svensven8994 novus ordo is a macdonald's way of dining, latin mass is fine dining. both will feed you, except macdoland's is considered fast food and not so healthy in a long run. this is what NO is. it's not reverential, it's not inspiring, it's not drawing people in. as a matter of fact, millions of catholics have left the church as the NO mass doesn't appeal. it's not an evangelizing mass. for many it's boring and empty of any depth. why keep it? time to return to the roots. Latin Mass is a magnet that the entire Western world was built on. NO has no drawing power whatsoever. that's why the church has been in decline for the past 50 years.

[@liberator275]

@@svensven8994 you have a valid point - there are actually three types of forms in a catholic church: latin mass (including 3 liturgies - high, sung and low), NO as it's seen throughout most parishes - watered down version, uninspiring and lacking any deeper spirituality and then there's the actual NO mass that V2 had in mind that was supposed to be infused with Latin Chants, prayers throughout the mass. for some reason the real version never took off after vatican 2 and catholics were served watered down NO mass (#2). no wonder people are turning to something more authentic especially that it exists.

[@mikelt134]

Novus ordo and Vatican II are heresies

[@liberator275]

@@mikelt134 valid but poorly done. there's a difference.

[@jenniferh7163]

@@svensven8994 I think there is a resurgence to learning latin in high school especially with the AP Latin exam and this being viewed favorably for entrance/scholarships at some Universities both religious and secular. The Catholic high schools I am familiar with all teach it, and I think that monks especially of all backgrounds and political views are somewhat motivated to teach Latin in schools if only because they often can.

[@Lumen_Patriarcharum]

There is also an additional "semi-solemn" form of the solemn high mass which came about after 1962 (this is still the Traditional Mass, not the Novus Ordo) in which there is no subdeacon, and the deacon does the things which the sudeacon would usually do (except for holding the paten and humeral veil, and some other differences). However this is not very common and also not very well known from my experience, but some places do it particularly in the SSPX.

[@carlosariasguadiana5506]

In my region there is only low mass, I have been assisting and bringing my father with me

[@smilebeforeyouopen4899]

I never know there are types of mass which regard to these formation. This is a richness of the Catholic faith.

[@IDiggSocialMedia]

The first Latin Mass I ever attended was a sing mass 3 years ago!

[@InCordeMariae21]

Hello Dr Taylor.. i hope to have a copy of fr lasance missal. I really love to attend the tridentine mass but i cant afford to buy the missal...

[@speedygonzales9993]

It's Missa Cantata in my parish.

[@charmagnegoncalves20]

Hi Dr Marshall what is an Extraordinary Mass in Lass when the priest wears a black cap and black or dark vestments with the Virgin Mary? Thank you.

[@felixyu930]

even the bishop is also a deacon and subdeacon. I have seen pontifical high mass has cardinal as a high priest, archbishop (i think) as deacon, and bishop as subdeacon

[@lauriebowden5739]

Maybe you have done this already but could you post or repost a video on what parishioners should do during the Latin Mass? I have noticed confusion about when to stand, kneel, etc. Some do not have the old or current Missals that spell it out for them.

[@teresahuston6650]

Just found this. Thank you! I now know I go to a Sung mass on Sunday afternoon. Didn't know for sure if it was even a TLM because not everything is in Latin. Question. During the week which would probably be the low mass, Father doesn't have an alterboy. So, there is no patten used during communion. Is that normal?

[@johnnyhuynh3449]

It pretty funny cuz idk, I keep hearing, "If you ever go to a latin mass, always go to a High mass first." But dang, my first mass was a low mass and I never looked back. Something about the silence really spoke to me. I'm super glad my first Latin mass experience was the Low mass. Don't get me wrong though, I

[@admiralbob77]

This is one of my reasons for being a fan of the liturgical reform: specifically, the newer idea of progressive solemnity - where singing could be added depending on the capability of the presider. Rather than everything having to be a low mass with hymns tacked on (as was the near-universal practice at parishes where priests couldn't sing), instead Mass could be done with great dignity and solemnity due to the efforts of choir and deacon, and the priest could warble a couple of things to sustain this high level of reverence without torching the liturgy. At a Usus Recentior parish where the liturgy is taken seriously, of course - not one where an out of tune guitar strummer is singing David Haas songs.

[@cristianwaters2190]

Question: is there an official rule book or books?

[@orielriddle2005]

Dr. Taylor Marshall I am a 15 year old boy who wants to attend a TLM but we don't have here in my Archdiocese and according to some people here, most of the Priests are hostile when it comes to TLM... I also wish to learn how to serve in a TLM, for I am an Altar Server... Need your help...

[@southernpatriot8151]

Is a requiem mass the same as solemn high mass?

[@angelamalek]

There are also dialogue Masses and sung Low Masses.

[@ecclestonsangel]

Thank you very much for the information, Dr. Taylor. One question: is a High Mass considered a Tridentine Mass? Or is that only the Solemn High Mass?

[@David-nl8pw]

Usually when you hear someone say Tridentine Mass there using it as a synonym for Traditional Latin Mass. There not referencing whether its a High or Low Mass. Sometimes you'll see it listed as Tridentine Mass in a bulletin to make a distinction from a Novus Ordo Mass.

[@ecclestonsangel]

@@David-nl8pw thank you for the information. Most grateful.

[@kevintanumihardja3881]

Really missed attending a real high mass, now that it's limited due to the pandemic.

[@rlriehn85]

Do you have a video on postures? There is so much variety parish to parish. I know that High Mass has separate postures than that of the Low Mass.

[@David-nl8pw]

youtube won't let me post a direct link but there's a good pdf file on postures. If you go to baroniuspress webiste and click on their 1962 Missal. then click the 'sample pages' tab there is a pdf file on postures

[@rubenmartinez4346]

Mr Marshall, can you tell me why in the “Orate Fratres” the priest makes a 360 to his right??

[@hummingbirdee9389]

I saw that today. The thought did cross my mind. 🤔

[@AbramFontanilla]

I heard once that it is symbolic of the priest taking your intentions and placing them on the paten. The dialogue would seem to support this "Pray, brothers, that my sacrifice and YOURS may be acceptable.."

[@christophergrillo5099]

This is the last time the priest turns toward the congregation prior to the sacrifice being accomplished and his communion. The reason is that he is now entering the most solemn portion of the mass requiring his utmost attention. It's also symbolic as many of the rubrics or motions are also to let people know where he is in the Cannon or consecration. To me, it feels like the priest is collecting the offertory prayers from the people and sending them to God.

[@hummingbirdee9389]

Thank you for enlightening me. 👍

[@hl1377]

Orate Fratres = "Pray Brethren"... The Priest is addressing us, the faithful, and asking us to unite our prayers with the holy sacrifice that is about to take place on the altar. The TLM is very clear in that the Priest faces us when addressing us, and faces God when praying to God.

[@karolinaska6836]

The majority of the TLMs in our state seem to be Low Masses, unfortunately. I only know of one place that has daily TLM.

[@amybondanella9340]

What type of mass is a Tridentine mass? I’ve never gone to a Latin mass before and would love to go. I found a Tridentine Mass in my area and was wondering if this counted?

[@Theatf10]

I think a Tridentine mass is the same as the traditional Latin mass; it gets its name from the Council of Trent (Tridentum)

[@beatrizbiederman6696]

[??????] In any on the 3 Masses, does the congregation join to sing, or does only the choir sing?

[@rlriehn85]

I'm still relatively new, but what I can tell you is that during any form of "high" mass where there is music, the congregation can sing along with the choir during the ordinaries (Kyrie, etc.) along with the "Et cum spiritu tuo" part among others that the server is supposed to say, in this case sing. During a Low Mass the congregation does not respond or sing during the mass at any time. I know locally people whisper the responses to themselves. I don't know if they are supposed to, but I just know they do. Now one of the TLMs I attend during a Low Mass the organist plays music almost the whole time. There is NO singing, just him playing softly. This is ONLY on the Sunday Low Mass to my knowledge. Singing during a High Mass is completely your choice. I see a lot of people singing, myself included. However, I've been taught how to sing Latin in choir, so I'm comfortable singing in that language. No one stares at you or judges you for NOT singing or FOR singing. Participation is NOT mandatory. People don't even sing the responses at the one church I attend. It's totally your choice.

[@beatrizbiederman6696]

Robb Riehn, thank you for your response. Before C19; I was in a Traditional Novus Ordo Choir (that would be a mix of the plain music in English, like the Gloria and all the Consecration responses, with some chants, like the response to the Dominos voviscum, Kyrie, Agnus Dei, and a chant after communion. Sometimes the pieces were from classical composers in Latin, Greek, Hebrew, or English.) We would encourage the congregation (they now call it “laity”) to sing. I sporadically have gone to a Latin Mass, rarely, like once during Lent, until this C19 kicked in. I found one priest out of many many many! churches I searched who would give communion on the tongue (I refuse to take on the hand). Most priests preferred to be obedient to the Mandate if Abp. Jose Gomez, who wrongfully followed Civil law instead of Canon Law re the sacraments (as well as the risk of martyrdom. According to Sister Miriam, that kind of mandate is also out of the order of Authority. We can not undo the 3rd Commandment of God.). So the priests kicked back at first, some video taping Masses, or nothing at all. But none, except that one priest, never closed Masses and gave me permission to take communion on the tongue... no hesitation. (When they reopened before the outdoor masses, I was refused by at least 5 Novus Ordo priests to take communion on the tongue. I started calling around. No one, except that one priest said, yes, “absolutely.”). The drive was long. But I supported his parish until the closest LATIN Mass opened. (Again Abp Gomez had restricted most of the FSSPs in our archdiocese which were subordinate to the main church.). For the last two weeks, I’ve attended an FSSP Low Mass (outdoors), even further away than that Novus Ordo... lots of gasoline. I noticed they had a small number of people in a choir. They sang about 4 songs. An entry song, a chant after communion and closing song. And one more somewhere. I met the director, knowing that I didn’t want to join right away, until I get the order and the flow of the Mass down and make a commitment to attend there regularly. It’s far, and I need to start meeting some people. I’m to myself. The choir may be good for that, but I’m not sure I want to even sing! It’s work to stay on track with Mass and singing. And I look forward to more directly connecting with God during Mass which I know happens more profoundly in a Latin Mass. I have not taken my Missal yet. I’m just listening, observing, and following. Dr. Marshall’s lesson on “responses” was perfect. I didn’t hear the congregation singing. So I asked the question in this forum, then I just asked the music Director if I can sing as part of the congregation as I learn the songs he is forwarding to me. He said YES. That the people are timid, but they can sing. And I noticed a few others around me opened up too this past week! I’m sure they know the music way better than I do! But I want to know what Taylor Marshall knows about this. ...And that’s my story so far!

[@elliotdavies1418]

In the Pre-Tridentine Mass the low Mass is sung by the priest assisted by the clerk who prepares the chalice using a humeral veil throughout the first half of the liturgy going from the rood altars (which Trent destroyed to make Protestants happy) to the chancel. The clerk signifies an angel going between the Heavenly Realm of the Chancel to the Earthly Realm of the Nave, sadly this has been absent from Rome since the 16th century. THEN the prepared gifts are offered by the priest. Low Mass in the old Latin rite is ALL chanted, including the Canon and incense is always used at low mass. What makes a low Mass is not wether it is said or sung but rather if there is only one priest and one clerk assisting him. We use this from time to time in my synod which uses the ancient Sarum rite at the Cathedral of Our Lady & Saint Ninian, Scotland. More is done at a Sarum Low Mass than at a papist “high mass” that uses a whole church, at least three “priests” and an army of servers not to mention a choir. Don’t kid yourself or others that this cut down liturgy of 1570 is the “Traditional Latin Mass” or even more humourlessly as some of you people call it the “Mass of the Ages”. You may not have any proper liturgy but I am glad Rome still has a sense of humour.

[@michelleishappy4036]

What's a Sub-Deacon? I have much to learn! 🤷‍♀️

[@Thurifer2005]

Third of the Sacred Ministers on the Altar. He sings the Epistle, holds the Paten, and carries the Sacred Vessels.

[@therealtoni]

Latin Low Mass is hard to find online. Why are the readings different than my 1962 SUnday Missal?

[@David-nl8pw]

Your 1962 Sunday Missal will work. Maybe your looking at the Novus Ordo calendar. In the Traditional calendar were in the 9th Sunday after Pentecost. ICKSP-Chicago has Latin Low Masses on youtube everyday. KZbin won't let me post direct links but you can search for ICKSP and click on the ICKSP channel. and see all there Masses every day if you want.

[@therealtoni]

@@David-nl8pw This is the second week that I have heard a high Mass and the readings did not conform to the 1962 Missal that I have. The Low Mass seems to be on track. I also found the mixture of English and Latin different; almost like a mixture of Tridentine & Novus Ordo. Gonna have to read up on this. Will try your ICKSP and keep looking for Low Mass. Thank you!

[@melissafeds1344]

Why aren't trad masses available on utube to particiate in, in these times especially? Every Sunday I have to watch the normal modern mass. What do trad cats do during these times?

[@kathyzeper1122]

Go to latinmassonline they have a list of all the live stream masses .

[@rlriehn85]

Wow! You're missing out! KZbin Sacred Heart Church in Limerick with ICKSP. They have a beautiful mass every day and twice on Sundays. I've been watching them for almost a year now. You'll love it!

[@David-nl8pw]

If you search on youtube for ICKSP you can find there Masses everyday for the Chicago parish and the Limerick one as Robb mentioned. I would do a direct link but youtube won't let us post direct links in the comments.

[@melissafeds1344]

Thank you everyone. I'm looking forward to this Sunday. Finally, I will be able to participate in a powerful, traditional mass. Thank you once again. God bless .

[@bhami]

How do the works of classical music called "mass" relate to these actual liturgical ceremonies? E.g. could Beethoven's "Missa Solemnis" or Gounod's "St Cecilia Mass" be part of an actual church mass?

[@GuitarBloodlines]

yes, that is exactly what they're for and the reason they were composed

[@southronpapist]

They were written for use during the Mass, but this has been discouraged since the Papacy of Pope Saint Pius X.

[@chriss229]

What's a tridentene mass?

[@sharonthompson8061]

The Tridentine Mass, also known as the Traditional Latin Mass or Traditional Rite, is the liturgy of Mass in the Roman Rite of the Catholic Church that appears in typical editions of the Roman Missal published from 1570 to 1962.

[@mcmdcuellar]

Can some one explain why the altar server lift the cloth of the priest ??

[@southronpapist]

I assume the cloth that you're referring to is the chasuble. The servers lift it so that the priest may more easily elevate the species of the Eucharist.

[@lukerooney2024]

5 Susans' disliked this video😂

[@markjoslin9912]

The Eastern Orthodox liturgy is 97% sung/chanted.

[@nathanjohnwade2289]

Similar with Oriental Orthodox.

[@KittyEvangeline]

Can someone illuminate me on the quietness of the Latin mass? Someone I know claims that if the priest said things a loud, it would help the congregation to follow along so that we too may offer up these prayers. I tried telling this person that the prayers aren't being said for us to hear, they are being offered to the Lord by our priest who represents us, but this person claims that we too are priests, just not ministerial priests (in the OT, before the incident with the Golden Calf, all the Israelite were priests, and the NT restored that priesthood according to St. Peter in his epistle), and that we too should be offering these prayers up too.

[@terrorofdemons1168]

I use the red missal(summorum pontificum) and follow right along with the priest. This missal really helps because it has little notes along the sides of the page that gives you an idea of where the priest is at. Like when the bell is rung or when to sit or stand and when the priest turns etc... and yes we have the option to pray the mass with the priest. It says so in this missal. I also offer myself to the Father along with Jesus in the sacrifice. In this missal It’s Latin on the left page and English on the right. I have my own missal and put a cloth cover on it. Hope this helps. God Bless.

[@KittyEvangeline]

@@terrorofdemons1168 I too have a missal, the Father Lasance one thanks to T. Marshall. But my point still stands. It would be 100x easier if the priest said it aloud so that everyone can follow along easier, no?

[@terrorofdemons1168]

KittyEvangeline the mass should be said in the manner that pleases the Lord. The priest is on the alter on our behalf for the good of our salvation. I choose to pray with the priest but we’re not required to. It’s easy for me because I’ve been at it for ten years. But to reiterate the Mass should be said in whatever manner pleases our Lord and I fully accept that. But for me the Traditional Mass is perfect and should never be changed. I call it Jesus’s Mass. it transcends all time.

[@David-nl8pw]

I’m not really sure if you're referring to a Low Mass or High Mass and which parts so I’ll just mainly talk about the Canon of the Mass. A couple thoughts come to mind... The Canon of the Mass is said to go back to Pope Damascus in 366AD. It’s the oldest and Holiest part of the Mass and is said at a whisper. This idea goes back to Old Testament times where the Jewish priests in the temple said the Holiest parts at a whisper. Taylor Marshall talked about this in one of his videos. If you're referring to Low Masses. (Outside of the Canon which is always said at a whisper). Some Priests say Low Masses louder or softer than others. Just depends on the Priest. If you search youtube for ICKSP you should be able to find the ICKSP channel. They have Low Masses that are very audible.

[@Retirement02042012]

Is it a fact that parishioners are not to give any responses at the Low Mass ?

[@mr.lewismissionsierratkd3388]

Dont forget St. Pius X missa Recitata

[@jherna9960]

Dr Marshall. Can a permanent deacon celebrate with the priest?

[@David-nl8pw]

In a Solemn High Mass they can

[@ckn9503]

I like to explain it as vertical worship. Me and God, the priest offering prayers to God for me. Whereas the NO is the opposite, horizontal worship. It's about the people, music, priest , God.

[@iichaosii]

I understand the reason of what has just happened, what i don`t understand is WTF is going on in the church? this part is not understanded with me

[@MartinvonTours11.11]

What about the dialog Mass? I only experienced a low mass one time in another country with the Fraternity of St. Peter. For daily Mass, the dialog Mass was said, not the Low Mass. Did the US always have the low Mass more commonly before the changes of the council?

[@southronpapist]

Dialog Mass is a French innovation which never became widespread in the USA prior to Vatican II. It is generally a Low Mass, except that the congregation says some of the altar servers' responses.

[@zon3665]

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[@oskarkarcz6842]

To the High Mass: Four candles are lit when it's a mass in the week (remember - LIT, six candles can be standing on the altar at the same time, though two of them won't be LIT), six candles are lit when it's a mass on Sunday. And the mass you mentioned in Rome - let's say it was a liturgical abuse.

[@wizzywoppy8938]

Hello, where did you get this information? I'm really interested in this subject. Thanks

[@oskarkarcz6842]

Well, I’ve just gained it from my own experience, it’s done like that in my parish. Besides, you can always ask for such stuff on many TradCat forums.

[@wizzywoppy8938]

@@oskarkarcz6842 Thanks for responding.

[@larryjohnwong]

I think it's inaccurate to call the sung Mass "high Mass", as if it's a variation of the solemn Mass. But no, sung Mass is in essence a low Mass, despite it looks more like a Solemn Mass. Catholic Encyclopedia describes the sung Mass in this way: "It is really a low Mass, since the essence of high Mass is not the music but the deacon and subdeacon." We should not name it by its accidentals of chant, incense and solemnity; but call to mind the essential of the lack of deacon and subdeacon.

[@nisuUtau]

Why does the altarboys lift the "dress" of the priest?

[@southronpapist]

The altar servers lift the chasuble of the priest during the elevations of the Eucharist so that the chasuble does not drag up his back as he lifts the species.