3 Types of Reformed Theology (Aquinas, Van Til, and Barth) - KingdomCraft

For more in-depth study of these 3 figures, go to Reformed Forum (even though they come from a different perspective than me)

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Whether you remain Eastern Catholic or become Presbyterian (or Lutheran), I hope that through these videos you become more sincerely and fervently attached to your faith and church

[@jonaszswietomierz8017]

There's Eastern Catholics in Köln?

[@HorseloverFat1984]

@@jonaszswietomierz8017 I'm born in Romania. But there actually is an eastern Catholic community in Köln. They call themselves "Greek Catholics" here.

[@peanutgallery4]

"No one after lighting a lamp puts it under the bushel basket, but on the lampstand, and it gives light to all in the house. In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father in heaven" (Matthew 5:15-16)

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[@cskandrsgyrgy]

The fall happened when Adam didn't use the water bucket and then he ate from the forbidden carrot. Since then, all of Adam's dexcendants have to eat carrots after jumping, until they learn to use the water bucket again.

[@PoopyHead-pc3qk]

Bungus

[@joker-qs3nd]

You are the best reformed youtuber

[@JosiahThomas-iw8lg]

Maybe not the best as he's young but he is the best for folks getting into the subject.

[@Burberryharry]

Yes

[@ogloc6308]

Gavin Ortlund

[@joker-qs3nd]

@@ogloc6308 he is very good,but he is an baptist with reformed tendencies.

[@ps2startup]

@@JosiahThomas-iw8lgwhat does age have to do with anything?

[@jacobmartinez5263]

Dude, you’re very well spoken. But speaking of Thomas Aquinas in the same breath as “reformed” is like putting two positive sides of a magnet together. Aquinas was a Roman Catholic and has nothing to do with reformed theology as much as the reformers might have quoted him.

[@clivejungle6999]

He would be excommunicated by today’s RCC. That what happens when you keep changing your mind and adding stuff on. In 200 years when the future Pope dogmatises Mary as the Co-Redemptrix (You know it is inevitable), you will find yourself in the same position.

[@stephen7587]

I started reading aquinas's Summa recently. Actually a good insight as to how christians of old applied logic to their doctrine and the world. It's a loooong book though.

[@marlena.]

Is it a hard read? I just came upon the didache, put it on my reading list

[@stephen7587]

In terms of length it's around 3000 pages but most of it is short arguments on a given topic and includes relevant citations from past thinkers and philosophers followed by Aquinias's take on the topic.@@marlena.

[@marlena.]

@@stephen7587 thanks

[@jdotoz]

Now consider the fact that a "summa" was supposed to be something like an introductory textbook.

[@NathanAlejver]

@@marlena. TBH I'm not sure if reading Summa is a good starting point, as it may seem much harder than it is. Personally, I started with books on his philosophy & theology, and then jumped into Summa. Moreover, there is "The Thomistic Instutute" (Catholic) channel with its "Aquinas 101" series. This can also be very helpful. God bless you!

[@MasterofLightning]

I'm Catholic, and this is the best religious KZbin channel I've come across. Such interesting topics that I love learning more about. Amazing that you're such a young dude. Keep up all the great work. You are awesome!

[@AarmOZ84]

I was thinking you fit more into the Aquinas camp because your theology mostly reflects that of R.C. Sproul (minus evolution). He was a major Thomas Aquinas fanboy. Also the Westminster Confession is often referred to as scholastic Calvinism.

[@danielisom7537]

Glad you’re watching Reformed Forum! You should have a discussion with Lane Tipton, he’s incredibly helpful on these topics, and in my opinion one of the greatest current expositors of orthodox Reformed theology . A few things, Van Til had Dutch Reformed roots but he was ordained in the OPC, so he didn’t just influence Presbyterians, he was a Presbyterian. Barth isn’t truly Reformed (or Christian in a sense of orthodox creeds and confessions), he rejected any true “revelation”outside of Christ, and that Christ and God exist in an atemporal and ahistorical state known as the “Christ event” where God takes temporal aspects into his being, and this encompasses the revelation of God to man. The influence of Thomas upon the Reformers and Reformed Scholastics is greatly overstated by some of the current “Reformed Thomists”, actually reading Calvin, and scholastics like John Owen and Petrus Van Mastricht paints a very different picture of what they thought of his theological methods, they’re far more critical than you would be led to believe.

[@VickersJon]

Great comment.

[@HappyLittleBoozer]

"But I can still be a good background noise for when you're washing the dishes." Nah, that's what news and less important topics are for. I was specifically playing Dome Keeper while listening to this video because it is a game so simple that it doesn't require much attention, letting me keep my hands busy and normally wandering focus grounded while considering your words. Good stuff as usual.

[@elishakim770]

Thanks so much for this video! I've been trying to wrap my head around Barth (and Van Til's subsequent criticism) and Barth's writing is just completely impenetrable.

[@RealBenAnderson]

Minecraft + theology? This might be my new favorite KZbin channel.

[@Namato360]

Can you make a video about how to share the Gospel effectively as a young, teem Christian(or point me to the video you explained it)

[@nathanieljordan6144]

Very great explanation. I'm not reformed but I agree with till the most.

[@joshgiguere4700]

“Good background noise for while you’re washing the dishes” - I listened to this video like a podcast as I did the dishes and that line at the end made me laugh lol

[@nsmith5636]

What do you think of that remark about God preparing Greek philosophers? I haven’t heard that before, but it sounds interesting

[@formeracademic]

Reformed people and gatekeeping: name a more iconic duo.

[@uilspieel99]

*Truly* Reformedᵀᴹ people and gatekeeping

[@gilgameschvonuruk4982]

Leftists and taking over institutions

[@mattosamanandesu]

Facts (Source: I'm Reformed)

[@jdotoz]

Jesus and Mary

[@MantrTheSpiceGuy]

Christian people and gatekeeping (someone said that the glass is half empty, clearly contradicting the doctrine at the council of Peepeepus that states that the glass is both fully half empty and fully half full, he cannot be a Christian)

[@goldberg7019]

Tending to the Barthian approach Thanks for these videos!

[@noblelashley1523]

"Whoa I almost died there.." listening and not watching today so that part through me off a bit. Forgot you were kingdomcrafting😂

[@NagaTales]

It's rather interesting, because I'm personally on the mirror side of the "triangle", sitting between Aquinas and Van Til, with concession to Barth, like you point out, with the Christ-centered theology, though not perhaps extending to the same points. Interesting explanation!

[@gunsgalore7571]

As always, an interesting and thought-provoking video. I have to say, putting "Aquinas" on your triangle of Reformed thinkers was an effective clickbait for Catholics like myself. Glad you admitted he was Catholic, though...

[@danshakuimo]

I think Reformed (and basically all of the "historic" Protestant branches that came directly out of the Reformation) think of them as "little c" catholic as well so

[@sadscientisthououinkyouma1867]

As much as many protestants don't want to admit it, Protestantism (especially reformed prots) all come from Catholicism. Without the Catholic philosophers and theologians there wouldn't be any protestant groups. In that regard Protestants obviously should include Catholic thinkers in these types of discussions as even if the thinker in question isn't protestant their writings may have been highly influential to Protestantism.

[@gunsgalore7571]

@@sadscientisthououinkyouma1867 Couldn't agree more. Serious Protestants can and should admit that they are influenced by Catholicism - only the (extremely dense) evangelical & fundamentalist KZbin trolls don't.

[@sadscientisthououinkyouma1867]

@@gunsgalore7571 It does get tiring defending you Catholics at the Churches I have attended over the years (it would be fair to call me stranded denominationally), you probably already know this but may prots think that you guys worship Mary and the Saints. Especially the Baptist, the most Catholic hate I've seen was my short stint at a Baptist Church (I'm fairly far from them theologically).

[@gunsgalore7571]

@@sadscientisthououinkyouma1867 Yeah, definitely dealt with the whole "You worship Mary" thing. I'll try to explain it to a point but I eventually get where I just feel like they want to believe I worship Mary so they can feel good about calling me a pagan or whatever so I just say, "Whatever, man. I'm not worshipping Mary. If you want to think so, you're welcome to." Interestingly enough, though, I've only really seen it on the internet. I live in rural Texas, very Southern Baptist area, and everyone is pretty cool with the fact that I'm Catholic. Maybe it's because I'm in rural Texas, where there are a few Catholics, and not rural Mississippi, where there are virtually none. I don't know. I'm just curious, where do you stand theologically?

[@williampumpernickel4929]

St Thomas Aquinas would never have been Protestant

[@Mic1904]

"Qui Gon Jinn would never join you" vibes

[@oleksandrbyelyenko435]

Zoomer stated that he was Roman Catholic

[@noblelashley1523]

I'm reading Saint Augustine's select letters again. Not sure where that is on your religion compass. Lol love your videos. Keep up the good work. God bless you bro.

[@toughmanmusic5285]

And here I am zoning out well washing the dishes 😂

[@kuafer3687]

Barth ideas sound very cool even though I'm not reformed

[@zotyhd8052]

Can you do a video on oneness versus Trinity? I grew up, surrounded by both environments, and I feel like they both do their best to misrepresent each other.

[@redeemedzoomer6053]

I have mentioned oneness in a video about heretical groups. Trinity is correct, oneness is heresy

[@MyaC-i4u]

27:27 I actually was washing the dishes as I listened to this lol

[@bushbladesnbows.2378]

I literally juat finished doing the dishes when he said "i can still be great background noise while you do yhe dishes". 😂

[@justinrichards2836]

Could you do a video or response addressing your views on Swedenborgianism?

[@rafdaguy6103]

It causes me so much pain to see protestants appropriate Catholic theologians and Saints.

[@thormallet]

That's because the One True Church is indeed right and you can't run away from it!

[@mrjohnson1627]

The Catholic Church, although not the One True Church is a true church, and many good Christians have come from Catholicism.

[@danshakuimo]

The denomination is literally called "Reformed", which implies that is supposed to be reforming something rather that making something up. Of course I assume you are Roman Catholic and you would disagree but Zoomer is Reformed so

[@Mic1904]

I recommend a thicker skin if that is your definition of 'so much pain'

[@AverageRiverOtter-gm4zh]

“Different denominations” nah bro different flavours

[@LilP1453]

I was raised Pentecostal and have always thought the music was terrible, but don’t know what to listen to what would you suggest

[@curtiskoch4731]

Thanks for sharing. I’m more is a split between Van till and Aquinas. That’s likely because the two Christian authors who had the greatest theological influence on me are RC Sproul and James White.

[@karolswirniak]

Thans for this remar in the end - I was just about to start washing the dishes 😂😅😊

[@ecthelion1735]

Funny... I was literally washing the dishes just now.

[@brodyblay8303]

I just wrote a college paper about Aquinas cardinal virtues

[@houdammari9809]

Great Video! You should look at the mathematical miracles in The Holy Quraan as i’m sure it would very interesting to cover!

[@oleksandrbyelyenko435]

Wasn't there a video about Orthodox Church or something? Something that had a problem publishing?

[@Ace-3.]

God bless everyone and have a good day ❤

[@joker-qs3nd]

Good video

[@Maussiegamer]

can you make a video about the crusades?

[@Namato360]

Well all reformed theology is wrong anyways, so it doesn't really matter (I have no idea what I'm talking about, I just wanna see people argue)

[@richardackerman9187]

then you haven't studied it enough. Read the Scots Confession and then tell me if you think it's wrong

[@Namato360]

@@richardackerman9187 I read the entire thing, watched the movie and the Netflix adaptation. I think it's still wrong.(I literally don't even know what the Scots Confession is, I'm a troll)

[@paulwoodhouse3386]

Hah, I wish everyone would admit when they're trolling ahead of time 😂

[@Namato360]

​@@paulwoodhouse3386I said I have no idea what I'm talking about in my first comment 😂

[@paulwoodhouse3386]

@@Namato360 I know, and it's super funny 🤙

[@danielisom7537]

In his writings Van Til robustly affirms natural revelation. He just rejects appealing to nature as though it was a neutral fact that believers and unbelievers could come together and use a neutral and unfallen “autonomous” reason to determine its meaning. All facts are God’s facts, and we should be conscious of that when interpreting them, our knowledge must be thought of as analogical or we can’t know things “meaningfully”, in the sense that it is not being thought of correctly as a derivative creation of the Triune God that is revelatory of Him. Along with Calvin Van Til affirms the sensus divinitatis, God has given man an internal revelation that reveals God’s existence and nature to us, but fallen man suppresses this truth because of the noetic effects of sin. Van Til also robustly maintains the creator-creature distinction at all levels, the ontological self-contained Trinity is his starting point and therefore he guards against any form of mutualism between the creator and the creature, which Barth fails to do.

[@GuuchReborn]

18:20 wasn't Adam and Eve infinite creatures before the fall, because the wages of sin was death so if they never sinned they you never die right

[@jdotoz]

An infinite creature is an oxymoron.

[@bradleymarshall5489]

As problematic as Barth is, he's actually being shockingly Orthodox with his belief in the primacy of the incarnation. Not only can a scriptural argument be made for it, Irenaeus, Athanasius, Maximus the Confessor, John of Damascus, Bonaventure, and John Duns Scotus all argued for it as well

[@PatsBlitz]

I was washing dishes while listening to this. 👀😂

[@CollinRezac]

I like the church but can you add color to the outside? Like the some red and yellow and 2hite?

[@redeemedzoomer6053]

This isn’t the church it’s the university connected to the church

[@CollinRezac]

@redeemedzoomer6053 I know but like the church can you add stuff to that? Cause personally I just think it looks a little bland no offense

[@tanacious808]

God's divine essence found in all the God heads within the trinity and it's relationship with one another is made realized in Jesus Christ. There. There harmony of all 3 positions are now coincided. Thank zoomer for studying all this and helping us layman to understand further.

[@Mokaakashiya24]

Im 17, i have a question for you. How do i find a good church, preferably a traditional one and not one of thoes one that like allow gay pastors or support LGBT stuff?

[@redeemedzoomer6053]

Check this map: www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?ll=44.03226794579251%2C-92.75978994999998&z=17usaveni&mid=1PNd_sJagci84PyKmGC6M5VJtaLMEWxg

[@deusvulture5183]

How did he know I was washing the dishes???? 😮

[@kiroshakir7935]

10:57 isn't that exactly what Anglicanism is ?

[@paulwoodhouse3386]

Why aren't there established reformed countries in the world?

[@Cjinglaterra]

The Netherlands and Scotland. But they're extremely liberal.

[@paulwoodhouse3386]

@@Cjinglaterra Tell me about it. About 60% of the Netherland population is Atheist, and almost 70% in Scotland. Heck, there are far more Catholics in the Netherlands than reformed. I just wish they could get their acts together.

[@Cjinglaterra]

@@paulwoodhouse3386 I was referring more to the respective state churches than the population as a whole. If the state churches were faithful, I suspect more of the citizenry would be as well.

[@Mic1904]

There are established Reformed countries in the world, just as there are established Catholic, Orthodox, Lutheran and Anglican/Episcopal countries. The reality that most have become increasingly liberal and irreligious as countries is a trait shared by most (if not all) of these, and is not unique to the Reformed countries.

[@danshakuimo]

There was one particularly famous one, and they even shelled the Catholic rebels in Japan to oblivion with their cannons

[@zeroisnine]

Aquinas and Reformed, 😂

[@jdotoz]

Pretty clickbaity, it worked on me

[@gunsgalore7571]

@@jdotoz I was about to say. I'm a Catholic, and I saw that title and I was like "Whoa... Don't you try and claim one of our top guys for yourself!" Turns out he admits St. Thomas Aquinas is not Reformed.

[@jeffryan5302]

I’m in the Van Til/Bahnsen camp for an epistemological Biblical revelation world view starting point - without which you wouldn’t have any justification for rational or empirical philosophy, laws of logic or ethics, etc., so that hasn’t God made foolish the unbelief of the world…!

[@3339ty]

First! Glad to see you upload RZ

[@CooperTheGoosebumpsGuy]

Amen❤❤🎉🎉😊😊

[@7th_From_Adam]

When I clean my house I put on Redeemed Zoomer. I take it in better for some reason

[@Ivan_1411]

Do a video about Martin Luther

[@TruSoleSeven]

What are your opinions on Jordan Peterson’s biblical commentaries?

[@HorseloverFat1984]

He's an ok Christian but a pretty shit human being on worldly instances.

[@Footrot13]

Genesis states that Adam was naked but after eating the fruit became aware of his state. When God asks who told him he was naked he does not correct them or state they should return to a naked state. No, he kills an animal to create coverings for them. Adam’s guilt comes through his knowledge. Capable of being naked but unashamed his nature needed the incarceration to bring his shame into right standing with God.

[@NortonTheProphet]

How do I join your server?

[@wizjm]

How can i join the server?

[@9g7y0pr4lv]

Please, lower the ambient music!!!

[@belovedray]

5:59 isn't this what C.S. Lewis did in Mere Christianity?

[@darreljones8645]

Zoomer, I've noticed your character never eats anything other than a carrot, despite steaks being available in the game. Are you a real-life vegetarian or vegan?

[@redeemedzoomer6053]

No haha it’s cuz I’m too lazy to farm cows in the game

[@sdubs]

19:34 theological construct? basically systematic theology.

[@Av8B-HarrierGG]

It's absurd how it's 2024 and people are still obsessed over a book from Two thousand ago that almost 200% not made by god.

[@christianusacross5084]

Redeemed Zoomer please make a video telling Christians from other countries to move to the United States and make it more Christian since Christianity is declining in the United States

[@jonaszswietomierz8017]

It's declining over here too, we should focus on evangelizing not running away.

[@jdotoz]

What, so they can experience the same things that tear down the faith here? Why shouldn't we move there? The only way out is through. Convert the culture, wherever you are.

[@HorseloverFat1984]

It's declining everywhere my man 😞 I live in Germany and I feel the same.

[@danshakuimo]

I'm pretty sure all that does is make the immigrants' descendants less Christian rather than them making us more Christian in the long run. Most people lament 2nd gen+ immigrants losing their cultural heritage, but many don't like to talk about the religious heritage that gets lost too (regardless of religion), especially if they are coming from a historically religious country. Not against the idea of them sending missionaries to evangelize and church plant in the US though.

[@oleksandrbyelyenko435]

The US is super religious. Europe is slowly rejecting religion. Say that the US has a decline is to be oblivious what is going on elsewhere. Though Americans always were self-centred. Don't blame just starting facts

[@Angelinajolieshorts]

Love is the best religion in the world 🌎

[@Pettam713]

I'll get hate for this but who cares right? There are no religions, Jesus is the only way. There is no trinity as the father, son, and holy Ghost are all different ways in which we can describe the Lord. The same way God can be everywhere is the same way he could possess flesh and be sinless while looking from heaven unto earth. Follow only the Bible, read ALL books of the Bible, not just the 66 that the catholic church took out because the rest provides content that debunks the trinity. The Lord loves you and all his heart is quick to forgive, and slow to anger, his love you is boundless and he is understanding. God bless.

[@lesinge8868]

Oneness Pentecostalism is a religion

[@Pettam713]

@@lesinge8868 it isn't, it was preached and taught in the bible before ANYTHING else, Catholicism is a religion. That professed there were three gods, father son and spirit, which are all spirit which makes no sense but ok, anyway read Ecclesiasticus, there's a scripture there that literally says the lord CANNOT be a man. Jesus Was not a man in the natural sense, Jesus/God is simply himself taking on a fleshly form, and that flesh or sacrifice is named Jesus Christ, simple. Bod bless.

[@Mic1904]

"Who cares right? There are no religions" * proceeds to explain at length how much he cares and what his religion is *

[@jdotoz]

Adam was always in need of grace; it's just that he received grace from the first moment of his existence. He lost that original grace for both himself and his descendants. Before the Fall, Adam was perfect for what he was created to be. The Incarnation wasn't necessary for anything other than our salvation from this fallen state, which itself was not necessary. As the Exsultet says more poetically, the sin of Adam brought about the plan of salvation and through that salvation, our race winds up even better off than we started.

[@jdotoz]

I also think that the Son must have received his nature from the Father, since the Father begat the Son and to beget is to transmit your nature to the begotten. The begetting of the Son, however, necessarily follows from the fact that God is love (love requires a lover and a beloved).

[@mattd398]

​@@jdotoz The trinity isn't 3 different beings. You can't divide infinity

[@jdotoz]

@@mattd398 It is most certainly three different persons.

[@mattd398]

@jdotoz Person does not equal being. God the Infinite is not being but the ground of being. If he is, you would be a mormon

[@jdotoz]

@@mattd398 You are the one who introduced the word "being" into this discussion.

[@Christus-totalis]

The Third day the earth was raised out of water(baptism) and brough forth seed and vine. Seed and vine is bread and wine. Adam was instructed to eat these before the fall. Barth was right. Christ is necessary for any possible world.

[@ryanskinner3700]

Aquanis was Catholic

[@oleksandrbyelyenko435]

He said so...

[@noahoul]

Let Israel Now Say In Thankfulnessss

[@sdubs]

tom's focus is out of place. cornelius' focus is the most biblical. karl is the guy that tries to be cool by being different

[@pipinfresh]

Bingo.

[@sdubs]

WTS FTW

[@Thestargazer56]

I will never understand Minecraft.

[@oleksandrbyelyenko435]

Basically virtual Lego

[@AverageRiverOtter-gm4zh]

I’m not hating on Christianity or anything but why would an omnibenevolent being send people to eternal torment and not like in other religions just enough torment for the sinners karma to burn away?

[@Anthony-sm8wy]

The best I’ve heard it described is that God doesn’t send anyone to hell, they go there by their own choice.

[@jdotoz]

The difference between salvation and damnation ultimately boils down to the choice between God and not God. This choice becomes permanent at death, by our nature. Our nature is also such that nothing but God will satisfy us, but for those who choose non-God, being with God would be even worse than the eternal disappointment of lacking God. So for these people, the eternal suffering resulting from their choice is the best that can be done for them.

[@jonaszswietomierz8017]

Because we don't believe that good people go to heaven and bad people go to hell. Christianity is a wildly different religion from others. Also, nobody deserves hell or heaven per se, as the previous commenter said, you end up there by your own volition. Look at it this way: if I told you're going to die unless you take a specific medicine or treatment, and if you refuse to take it, you don't deserve to die but your body will wither away anyway because you didn't take it. However, if you listen to the doctor, you're going to receive proper care. It's similar with the Gospel.

[@marlena.]

There are within Christianity a few different opinions on this. What is certain that if someone does not choose God they will not be with God on the new earth he creates. That includes being without who God is, Love and Life

[@mattd398]

​@@jdotoz God defeated death, so why will God allow death to defeat us? Is he an infinite lover? Or will death finally lose, including the sting?

[@pipinfresh]

Yet again redeemed zoomer shows he doesn't understand Van Til. I think you need to go and actually read some Van Til before commenting on him.

[@redeemedzoomer6053]

What did I say that was wrong?

[@joker-qs3nd]

I am early

[@markogrgurica2614]

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