300hp N/A M52 project. Part1, introduction.

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pazi88

pazi88

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On this video I will kick off new project, where my goal is to get 300hp, out of naturally aspirated BMW m52 engine.

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@impala9369
@impala9369 4 жыл бұрын
Hello Sipa, we appriciate the subtitles, thanks.
@tannpants9532
@tannpants9532 4 жыл бұрын
Agree’d, thank you for your service.
@GFXRadiant
@GFXRadiant 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you Sipa!
@jiivee94
@jiivee94 4 жыл бұрын
Mahtava setti, harvemmin nähtään vaparitouhuja nykyää varsinkaan "isommissa" moottoreissa
@mrpopittaja1
@mrpopittaja1 4 жыл бұрын
Tämä, mun mielestä vaparista reilun tehon saaminen vaatii munaa ja taitoa. Ja se on mahtavan kuulonen ku on vapari jossa on voimaa ja ennenkaikkea erinlainen jos ei ralli autoja lasketa
@Clutchxkick
@Clutchxkick 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for subtitles, interesting project
@tipsycactus9414
@tipsycactus9414 3 жыл бұрын
After literally talking with a friend about tossing in a b30 crank and cams into my b28 single vanos today, I stumbled upon your video. Love how in depth you're describing everything and very keen on seeing the end result! Good luck to you and will be eagerly following your progress
@Pong-Lenis
@Pong-Lenis 4 жыл бұрын
I also just started a n/a build! although a vw but still. 1.8 litres, 20v 10.0:1 293/295 cams, gsxr carbs. aiming for at least 200hp
@PieceOfGraffiti
@PieceOfGraffiti 4 жыл бұрын
Mahtava että viritysvideoita löytyy suomeksi ja vielä näin yksityiskohtasesti kerrottuna. Sait uuden tilaajan :D
@GaragE36uk
@GaragE36uk 3 жыл бұрын
I have just stumbled across your channel, learnt alot from your forum posts over the past few years. Currently just finishing up on a budget stroker build, m50b30, hoping will be good once fitted in car.
@weirdbeardgarage
@weirdbeardgarage 4 жыл бұрын
No tätä on odotettu! Pirun mielenkiintonen projekti kyllä tulossa!
@fde4683
@fde4683 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Sipa here in usa I use oven cleaner Easy off , 5 min and everything is gone even build up on exhaust valves got loose, used it on the cylinder head and block and pistons
@tiitsaul9036
@tiitsaul9036 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent content. Very interesting to see you experiment with all kinds of different Bmw parts.
@autosportline3053
@autosportline3053 4 жыл бұрын
Can't wait to see the result, you will be the first guy in the planet to get the m52 N/A to 300 actually, good luck on this project,
@pazi88
@pazi88 4 жыл бұрын
There is plenty of m5x builds that have more than 300hp, but those guys that build those, don't show their work on forums/youtube etc. Here is for example E9 with 400hp m50 revving up to 9000. Enjoy: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rIXZdplspMaUmbM
@nicbrz064
@nicbrz064 4 жыл бұрын
oh finally my friend, i just started same project and i cant wait to see some yours tips and tricks
@scottwhyatt8699
@scottwhyatt8699 4 жыл бұрын
Talk to Travis Sarno (Facebook) about the ATI damper setup, he might be able to assist. From a FB post: “VAC also sells a harmonic damper, but this is a very different design, with a lot more inertia weight than the VAC unit. Theoretically this one is designed for significantly more HP and RPM, and is more of an interference fit, which is critical to damping the torsional vibrations properly.”
@docgramps1
@docgramps1 4 жыл бұрын
Yes! Very excited about this build. Can't wait until the next part!
@makembia
@makembia 4 жыл бұрын
Salamana paikalla kun pazi julkassoo! :) :D
@laura7552
@laura7552 4 жыл бұрын
This will be very interesting. I have a e30 with m52tub28 autocrosser and street car. So far its great but id also like to build up hp and keep flat torque curve.
@suolikaasu1
@suolikaasu1 4 жыл бұрын
Kiitos erittäin mielenkiintoisista videoista. Näistä pulttien irtoamisista on niin monta surullista tarinaa. Siihen ongelmaan kannattaa kokeilla Nord-Lock -nimellä olevaa prikkaparia. Aikoinaan tuli harrastettua Kartingia ja niissä autoissa ei pultit pysyneet kiinni perinteisillä keinoilla koneiden kiertäessä yli 15000 rpm. Nord-Lockin kanssa itkut loppui. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mXXPnpWDi558ebc
@pazi88
@pazi88 4 жыл бұрын
Jep, vaan toki niitä pultteja on pikkusen eri määrä tämmösessa 6-koneessa ja se että pultit pysyy kiinni, ei auta siihen että öljypumpun akselit ja muut katkeaa värinästä. Helppoin tapa hoitaa tuo ongelma on ihan siellä ongelman alkulähteillä, eli estää kampuran värinän kunnon dampperilla.
@Sl4sk1
@Sl4sk1 4 жыл бұрын
That oil pump crank scraper is beautiful
@emilian.parvanov
@emilian.parvanov 4 жыл бұрын
You've just yielded a subscriber! Thank you for the subtitles!
@FoolishPursuitForce
@FoolishPursuitForce 4 жыл бұрын
You can configure a couple programmable on/off switches on Megasquirt that can take care of the DISA operation. You can make them load/RPM dependent on a table if you so desire.
@pazi88
@pazi88 4 жыл бұрын
True. But the n52 DISA valves are PWM controlled. Which can be controlled in ms3, but the problem is that the duty needs to be 30% or 70%. Not in between values, so don't know if that can be done in ms3. Also the megasquirts are way over priced in todays market, FW development has been stopped and no permission to run the code on custom HW. Speeduino beats ms3 in all those aspects and it being open source, I can whip up my own custom HW and code for the features I need. So megasquirt is out of the equation.
@matti9302
@matti9302 4 жыл бұрын
Nyt täytyy antaa peukku kun ensimmäinen viritys aste ei ole scanian turbo
@13leadfoot
@13leadfoot 4 жыл бұрын
Cool project, can't wait to see the result.
@jonssi2711
@jonssi2711 4 жыл бұрын
Loistavan projektin oot ottanu työn alle. Suunnitelmat kuullostaa hyvältä ja miten se moottori tulee sitten laulamaan kun 100hv/l. vaparipornoo luvassa =))
@hidie4695
@hidie4695 4 жыл бұрын
Nice to see a new vid of you. Thanks😃😃😃
@hammersm1988
@hammersm1988 4 жыл бұрын
There is also an other way to do 300hp, I've used a M50 block and head, with a 3.0 crank, forged rods, 87mm pistons, 3200cc, 11.3:1 compression, did the dual vanos conversion with M54B30 cams, M50 intake, M62 throttle body, long tube headers and twin 63mm exhaust and I'm running ms43 in an E39.
@pazi88
@pazi88 4 жыл бұрын
M54b30 cams will not do 300hp, no matter what you do. About 250 max
@billytremoloband7456
@billytremoloband7456 4 жыл бұрын
pazi88 I’ve got 272/264 10.5 10mm cams, in your honest opinion what kinda of power would you think they would be good for N/A with good fuel High Rev limit on a high comp m50 b28...?
@pazi88
@pazi88 4 жыл бұрын
@@billytremoloband7456 Well there is quite good rule of thumb with the m5x engines. The intake cam duration = the crank hp you can exept from the engine. With pump gas and stock size valves. It can be slightly more if everything else works nicely with the engine setup or way less if you mess up something 😅 those cams will also need bump in the compression ratio even with pump gas to make up the lost dynamic compression ratio. And that is 0.1 to 0.1mm duration. Not 1 to 1 mm.
@billytremoloband7456
@billytremoloband7456 4 жыл бұрын
pazi88 I would presume so, they are Dbilas dynamic 272/264 sport set or something like that.
@_coffeeandcigars
@_coffeeandcigars 4 жыл бұрын
@@pazi88 is your rule of thumb based on a b28? Or the b30?
@-Aapo-
@-Aapo- 4 жыл бұрын
Mielenkiintoinen projekti!
@jjtainio
@jjtainio 4 жыл бұрын
Erittäin kiinnostavaa, pitääpä seurailla. Turboja on joka paikka täys.
@jjtainio
@jjtainio 4 жыл бұрын
Siihen laajaan vääntöön vaikuttaa muuten enemmän se DISA, kuin muuttuva venttiilien ajoitus, itellä tämmönen proggis oli e30:ssä MegaSquirtilla, tosin täysin vakiona ja penkissä ajaessa tuli melkoinen hyppy alavääntöön, kun laitettiin DISA:n ohjaus kohdalleen. Termarilla saa ohjattua lämpöjä, mutta se toimii vähän hullusti päin, kun siihen kytkee virrat, siinä oleva vastuselementti lämpenee ja termari aukeaa aiemmin. Omassa käytössä radalla toimi hyvin, mutta en osaa sanoa, miten pitkässä juoksussa, polttaako se jatkuva lämmittäminen sen lämmityselementin. Ilman lämmitystä termari muistaakseni aukeaa vasta jossain 100°C tietämillä. Mulla pitäs vielä olla megalle valmiit kartat ja systeemit, jos kiinnostaa, pistä viestiä.
@WickedTRX
@WickedTRX 4 жыл бұрын
You are a DIY guy, but i would use a Maxxecu, DBW, vanos, and disa Valves, I'm really happy with mine, very flexible and you can create maps virtually to do anything
@pazi88
@pazi88 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah I know that maxxecu is really capable and if I would buy aftermarket ecu, it would be maxxecu. But I like to do thing myself as much as possible, so this will probably use DIY ecu. The way that those n52 disa valves are driven is quite interesting and I'm not sure if maxxecu even has feature for that. But for me, it's only few code changes for speeduino FW to be able to drive those.
@billytremoloband7456
@billytremoloband7456 4 жыл бұрын
Very good timing with the video as I’m in the process of mabey going with a 280bhp na m50 rather than turbo as I have an engine already put together with cams ported head high compression etc as turbo power might be excessive for a street e30 325 mtech 2
@Pong-Lenis
@Pong-Lenis 4 жыл бұрын
turbo is never excessive, except ifyou already have a high hp turbo car and need something more economic
@billytremoloband7456
@billytremoloband7456 4 жыл бұрын
ILIKECATZNCHEEZBURGERZWITHCHEEZSHAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAICOULDGOONLIKETHIS4EVERBUTIHAZTOGONOWBYE To be honest I would be afraid a combination of my driving style and big horsepower/torque would Tare the 30 year old e30 to bits .....😜
@Pong-Lenis
@Pong-Lenis 4 жыл бұрын
@@billytremoloband7456 your choice :)
@pazi88
@pazi88 4 жыл бұрын
Not really. I know that even with 300hp, the engine will feel really lazy compared to the turbo engines that I have used to. But this is more like just for my interest project. If I would just want to make my e36 faster, turbo is the easiest way.
@imnota
@imnota 4 жыл бұрын
As soon as something bare metal comes out of the ultrasonic cleaner you should spray it with wd40 or cover it with oil or it will rust in just a couple of hours, that might be why your main caps are rusted, there's a good chance they were fine before.
@pazi88
@pazi88 4 жыл бұрын
That is true. But I did not (yet) ultrasonic clean those. The crank, main caps and bottom of the bores were rusted even before I started washing those.
@jamesthorburn7842
@jamesthorburn7842 4 жыл бұрын
If you want want an alternative to the vac ati damper. Ross performance parts in Australia do an alternative.
@pazi88
@pazi88 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah I know. There is quite many alternatives, but non of those are particularly cheap after shipping and import duties. easily +1000€ no matter what I get.
@asaisdanis1
@asaisdanis1 4 жыл бұрын
@pazi88 are those pistons from N42B20? or which one?
@thatflywelshguy9662
@thatflywelshguy9662 4 жыл бұрын
sunbelt cams, bored over to us S52 spec, high comp pistons, forged rods, 24lbs injectors, M50 manifold, porsche MAF. done.
@pazi88
@pazi88 4 жыл бұрын
Well, depends on those cams. Unless those sunbelt cams have like +300 degrees of duration, it will not make 300hp.
@turpolada
@turpolada 4 жыл бұрын
Millä koneistajalla käytät osia yleesä? Entä mimmosia hintoja esim kampuran ja kytkinpaketin tasapainotus? Lohkon poraus? Oulun alueelta koitin guugletella mutta ainoastaan yheltä sivulta näki että onnistuu, mutta ei mitään tietoa hinnoista
@driftboi3989
@driftboi3989 4 жыл бұрын
thanks for translation 🙌❤🔧
@laurean5998
@laurean5998 4 жыл бұрын
I thought the hydraulic lifters had problems with draining the oil and started to hold the valves open from 7500rpm up? Are you going to modify them?
@pazi88
@pazi88 4 жыл бұрын
Those should be fine up to 8000rpm, so I'm using those if I can find agressive enough cams that work with hydraulic ones.
@ubergama30
@ubergama30 4 жыл бұрын
his tiny fingers are perfect for tight spaces!
@luizov88
@luizov88 4 жыл бұрын
Very nice project! I am really inerested as an E46 owner. Also, if you make speeduino replacing ms42/43, will you make separate video about it?
@pazi88
@pazi88 4 жыл бұрын
It's already available: diy-efi.co.uk/product/core4-bmw-m52tu-m54-pnp I will probaply do video soon 😅
@Gtbtdx
@Gtbtdx 4 жыл бұрын
Habe gerade meinem Motor frisch revidiert 👍
@Qonfident
@Qonfident 4 жыл бұрын
What fluid you used for the parts cleaner?
@pazi88
@pazi88 4 жыл бұрын
m.motonet.fi/fi/tuote/599540/Oregon-Ultrasonic-pesuainetiiviste-ultraaanipesureihin-1-l
@tiitsaul9036
@tiitsaul9036 4 жыл бұрын
Where do you get your cams regrind? Locally or do you send them somewhere?
@pazi88
@pazi88 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah locally. There is many places in Finland who do those.
@Brunobds85
@Brunobds85 3 жыл бұрын
I think you would highly bennefict some advice to reach your target. Also intake cfm as very little to do with how much power it can make.. standard head will make you suffer to reach your target. Drop us a dm we would be happy to cooperate with you on this project
@pazi88
@pazi88 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the offer, but the head will be worked on too.
@anttilyytikainen9044
@anttilyytikainen9044 4 жыл бұрын
Ajattelitko tehdä suutin paikat adapteriin vai muokata n52 imusarjaan? En huomannut mainitsitko mitä venajousia ajattelit käyttää? Lash capien sijaan olisiko nokkapukkeja mahdollista madaltaa läpi poraamisen lisäksi? Hyviä videoita anyway näistä saa intoa ja tietoa omaan m52 vapari projektiin.
@pazi88
@pazi88 4 жыл бұрын
Adapteriin tulee suutinpaikat. Vähän niinkön tässä esim: m.facebook.com/racemode.info/photos/a.2644663035633728/2644664448966920/?type=3 Ja venajousista en tiedä vielä. Jotain modernia tynnyrijousta varmaan. Nokkapukkien madaltaminen on siinä mielessä ongelmallista, että sitten pitäis myös ketjua lyhentää ettei sen kanssa tule probleemaa.
@anttilyytikainen9044
@anttilyytikainen9044 4 жыл бұрын
@@pazi88 Tuota ketju ongelmaa on itsekkin tullut pähkäiltyä, ajattelin kuitenkin itse sitä kokeilla. Täytyy sitten siirtyä niihin lash capeihin kun on ketju ja kone solmussa :D En tiedä onko se lash cappien paikallaan pysymis ongelma ihan urbaania legendaa mutta ajatus "napeista" venttilien päässä tuntuu sekin vähän epävarmalta.
@Justchaosh
@Justchaosh 4 жыл бұрын
Mielenkiinnolla odotan mitä tästä projektista tulee. Piti googletella mitä näistä vapari M52 on revitty ja ilmeisesti aika haasteen takana on tämä 300hv tavoite. Ei silti epäilystäkään ettei tältä kanavalta onnistuisi!
@pazi88
@pazi88 4 жыл бұрын
Joo ei se ihan helposti onnistu ja se vaatii enemmän muutoksia koneeseen, mitä moni on valmis tekemään. Ei todellakaan onnistu bolt-on modeilla. Mut onhan näitä tehty isommillakin tehoilla, että ei sen puoleen: facebook.com/GTiMagazine/posts/10156790907527998 Tuosta oli joku videokin täällä juutuubissa, kun laitos nauku radalla, mutta en sitä onnistu löytään enään...
@Justchaosh
@Justchaosh 4 жыл бұрын
@@pazi88 Joo eihän nämä taloudellisesti varmaan kannattavia ole, mutta mitä hauskaa harrastamisessa on jos kaikki on vain bolt on. Moottori swappiahan noihin yleensä aletaan tarjoamaan vaihtoehtona. Innolla kuitenkin odotan mitä saatte aikaseksi!
@subru3285
@subru3285 4 жыл бұрын
Why not intake manifold from N54 engine? I saw one dyno graph with this manifold with M54B30 engine and torque curve was very flat and max torque was about 2.5k rpm.
@jpiccari
@jpiccari 4 жыл бұрын
Torque curve is flat because the N54 has twin turbos. In turbo cars you don't need ram air effects to get more air in the cylinders so the intake probably isn't ideal for the wide torque curve planned for this NA build.
@subru3285
@subru3285 4 жыл бұрын
Joshua Piccari M54b30 was without tubo. It made 317Nm and 280 KM according to dyno graph
@pazi88
@pazi88 4 жыл бұрын
N54 is turbo engine so the intake in that is not designed to be in NA engine.
@igorbo2843
@igorbo2843 4 жыл бұрын
@@pazi88 Racemode in Poland make adapter for m50/52/54 engines to use n54 manifold/ In m54b30 only this manifold gives 280 hp on dyno
@pazi88
@pazi88 4 жыл бұрын
@@igorbo2843 N54 intake is turbo intake thus not best for NA engine. And m54b30 will not do 280hp with only intake swapped. Not even close. Unless the intake includes supercharger 😅
@elyassyukri2082
@elyassyukri2082 4 жыл бұрын
Hey! Can you tell me what are the modifications to fit the 22mm wrist pins or did you just use the 20mm ones?
@pazi88
@pazi88 4 жыл бұрын
20mm ones with custom bushing on the connecting rods
@elyassyukri2082
@elyassyukri2082 4 жыл бұрын
@@pazi88 custom made bushings? Or modify off the shelves ones?
@pazi88
@pazi88 4 жыл бұрын
@@elyassyukri2082 Yeah custom ones made from bearing bronze.
@elyassyukri2082
@elyassyukri2082 4 жыл бұрын
@@pazi88 thanks👍🏻
@TechTokOffical
@TechTokOffical 4 жыл бұрын
What's ur plans? I'm actually planning a N/A build with a m52b28tu(🇺🇸 😪) and as I watch i see u are planning the same
@TechTokOffical
@TechTokOffical 4 жыл бұрын
My plan is to do put the guts of a m3 3.2 in and I'd LOVE to get a euro itb set up(I know id need an adapter. But I'm really goin with the m52tu cuz id have the m50(m52) bottom and the m54 top which opens a TON of different intake options...I mean u could put the s54 itb set up on if u wanted to right?
@pazi88
@pazi88 4 жыл бұрын
@@TechTokOffical m52tu is basically identical to m54. There is no really differences on the engine side. Electronics etc. differ a bit. You can't bore the m52tu block to accept s52 3.2 guts, because the sleeves are too thin for that. And yeah, I could go with s54 itb's but I won't because I want the engine to have as wide as possible torque curve.
@janihalttunen5501
@janihalttunen5501 4 жыл бұрын
Taas jälleen hyvä video. Innolla oottaa että mitä numeroita m52 antaa sit aikoinaan 💪👍
@neorecormon1769
@neorecormon1769 4 жыл бұрын
olipa ruman värinen pulttipyssy alussa :D
@ristosorri301
@ristosorri301 2 жыл бұрын
Onko tietoa lähteekö m50b20:n dampperi tuolla tavalla kuin videon alussa, vasaralla naputtamalla vaiko onko se kiinni kampiakselissa tuolla isolla 22mm pultilla kiinni? entä miten on sinkkuvanos m52b28:ssa?
@pazi88
@pazi88 2 жыл бұрын
Lähtee kaikissa pikku pultit irrottamalla. Voi olla ruostunu kiinni tiukkaankin.
@vetkosgarage6165
@vetkosgarage6165 4 жыл бұрын
Mites ois infraäänipesuri kannelle? Jätesäkkiin vaan ja heiluttelemaan :D
@pazi88
@pazi88 4 жыл бұрын
Ehkä jätän välistä :D
@jonetshkin
@jonetshkin 4 жыл бұрын
Hyviä koneita noi tuplavanos m52. Mites noi teholukemat noissa vakiona pitää paikkansa ku ainakin ex 528 e39 tuntu todella pirteeltä, vaikee kuvitella että niin painavaa autoa 193heppaa liikuttais niinkin ripeästi. Vai onko ne sit niitä hyvin koulutettuja hevosia ;)
@pazi88
@pazi88 4 жыл бұрын
Ei ne ihan pidä paikkaansa. Ne tuottaa kymmenisen heppaa enemmän mitä sinkkuvanos vastaavat. Mikä nyt ei paljoa persiissä tunnu. Mut se tehontunne normiajossa tulee nimenomaan siitä laajasta vääntökäyrästä minkä se tuplavanos ja muuttuvapituuksinen imusarja saa aikaan. Siksi tässäkin projektissa ne pysyy käytössä ja toissijaisena tavoitteena on se laaja vääntöalue.
@joonaleinonen4059
@joonaleinonen4059 3 жыл бұрын
Ootko heittäny nuo nokkaketjujen rattaiden pultit miten tiukalle? loctiteä väliin?
@pazi88
@pazi88 3 жыл бұрын
Ei lukitetta ja pultit ihan TIS:n mukaan tiukkaan eli 10-25nm pultista riippuen.
@KeljuKkojootti
@KeljuKkojootti 4 жыл бұрын
hieno tua uus logo ja pitkään tullut suerattua voorumilt
@EJProMods
@EJProMods 4 жыл бұрын
what cam specs and valve springs do you plan to use?
@pazi88
@pazi88 4 жыл бұрын
I have not yet planned that far ahead. But guessing, I need at leadt 280 degree cams.
@EJProMods
@EJProMods 4 жыл бұрын
@@pazi88 good luck, very interested to see progress
@hillo51
@hillo51 4 жыл бұрын
Mitä pesuainetta käytät osienpesualtaassa?
@hupattaja
@hupattaja 4 жыл бұрын
nömmikin petriltä ostat pois s54 läppärungot johon sorvautettu m5x adapterit
@pazi88
@pazi88 4 жыл бұрын
Sama ois swapat koko s54 niin sais yli 300hp helposti. Ja ois varmaan halvempikin vaihtoehto 🤣
@rAIVOkone
@rAIVOkone 4 жыл бұрын
Onko mitään mutua, että paljonko pelkällä E85-konversiolla kutittelisi optimoituna irti ko. vakiokoneesta? Vai tarvitseeko kylkeen jotain lisämodia, että saisi muutakin hyötyä, kun että maailma pelastuu? :)
@bilteman_hukkaportti
@bilteman_hukkaportti 4 жыл бұрын
Viinalla tarvii olla tosi iso puristuspaine tai ahdettu kone että siitä on tehollista hyötyä. Eli käytännössä viritetty moottori. Vakiokoneessa ainut hyöty on että säästää ehkä jotain 2€/100km jos aijaa paljon tasakaasulla 60-100km/h(esim. työmatkat), taajama ajossa kun on paljon kiihdyttelyä niin viinaa kuluu suhteessa enemmän heikomman energiatiheyden takia. Onhan jotkut väittänyt että se vakio suorakutonen vetää paremmin ku on hippibensaa tankissa mut taitaapa olla blaceboa 😃
@pazi88
@pazi88 4 жыл бұрын
Ei siitä ihme hyötyä ole. Lähinnä säästöä polttoaine kuluissa. Nykyisillä bensan hinnoilla tosiaan joku 2€/100km on säästöä. Toki öljyn hinta on laahannu jo pitkään ihan pohjamudissa, niin ihmettelen jos vielä pitkäänkin jatkuu noin ja bensan hinta on sit jotain ihan muuta mitä se nyt on ja e85:lla ajo tulee olemaan paljon edullisempaa. Mutta vakio bensakoneessa tehollista hyötyä ei oikeastaan ole. Teoriassa sillä pitäs saada joku 5% lisää vetoja, mutta harvon niin käy. Ehkä alavääntö ennemmin kasvaa sen verran. Moottori pitää tehdä naku-rajoitteiseksi bensalla että e85:sta alkaa oikeasti saamaan tehollista hyötyä.
@AndrewontheHusky
@AndrewontheHusky 4 жыл бұрын
m52tu/m54 oil pump housing fits single vanos block?
@pazi88
@pazi88 4 жыл бұрын
After some investigating, no. But I will probaply make it fit.
@AndrewontheHusky
@AndrewontheHusky 4 жыл бұрын
@@pazi88 Bolt pattern? Some time ago you compared non vanos and single vanos pump, is it the same problem?
@pazi88
@pazi88 4 жыл бұрын
@@AndrewontheHusky same problem and also height is different.
@_coffeeandcigars
@_coffeeandcigars 4 жыл бұрын
nice, this is going to be sick af
@TechTokOffical
@TechTokOffical Жыл бұрын
Can I use a s54 head on a m52b28tu even tho it will remain a 2.8?
@pazi88
@pazi88 Жыл бұрын
Nope. Totally different.
@alexpopa2807
@alexpopa2807 4 жыл бұрын
Really hoping someone can answer this question as I'm almost ready to look for an engine for the e36 to turbo, would it be better to go single or twin Vanos 2.8? Id be planning to put an m52b28 or m50b25 manifold on it to keep my cruise control and cable throttle so standalone ecu is on the table, and is it better to use a decompression plate and 2 head gaskets or not?
@pazi88
@pazi88 4 жыл бұрын
Well the dual vanos engines are overall better engines than older one. The m50 iron block is only needed if you aim closer to 4-digit hp numbers. And do not use de-compress plate or two headgaskets, if you want to have properly working engine. Amp44 offers affordable low compression turbo pistons, so high price isn't excuse anymore.
@alexpopa2807
@alexpopa2807 4 жыл бұрын
@@pazi88 I cannot thank you enough for the reply! I am really looking forward to your na build. You are an inspiration! 🙈😁
@alexpopa2807
@alexpopa2807 3 жыл бұрын
@pazi88 Wondering if it's possible to create high compression motor using B30 pistons, B28 crank and 140mm rods? Would it work with some schrick cams or pistons start making contact with valves? I did the maths and should be around 11.5 to 11.8 :1already had tub28 block skimmed and ready for b30 forged pistons, but if it doesn't work don't want to break the parts for no reason, wondering if you had any input? Thanks
@Bemaritohtori
@Bemaritohtori 4 жыл бұрын
Ai että!
@emilioguitart3754
@emilioguitart3754 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome vid !
@mironfs1
@mironfs1 4 жыл бұрын
Is there any reason why you didnt start with m54? You said n52 is expensive, is m54 too?
@pazi88
@pazi88 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah. M54b30 is normally 1000-2000€ here. M52tu engines can be had for few hundred €. Don't know what makes the m54b30 so special compared to m52b28tu, because those are almost identical engines 🙄
@bilteman_hukkaportti
@bilteman_hukkaportti 4 жыл бұрын
Pystyisköhän tuota öljypumppa systeemiä hyödyntää sinkkuvanoksessa tai olisko ees hyötyä? Holsetti kun nappaa oman osansa öljynkierrossa 😃
@pazi88
@pazi88 4 жыл бұрын
Samaa mietin itekkin. Mullahan on se pwm vanos nyt e30:n m52:ssa ja siinä notkahtelee öljynpaine kun vanos liikkuu. Pikku googletuksen jälkeen, ei mene bolt-on mut minusta näyttäis ihan mahdolliselta pikku modauksella.
@bilteman_hukkaportti
@bilteman_hukkaportti 4 жыл бұрын
Tai asia varmaan korjautuisi myös sillä että heivaa holsetin ja hommaa semmosen turbon mikä ei vie öljyä kuin nimeksi, miten muuten sellanen turbosystems Ahdin wörkkii että onko huomattavaa eroa heräävyydessä? Se olis mulla aika pienehkö satsaus nyt kun uudehkolle 35 holsetille ostajia löytyy kuitenkin niin ei nyt niin kauheasti tarvi heittää väliin että saa semmoisen käsiin
@eiqquh
@eiqquh 4 жыл бұрын
tää on kova!
@FirstLast-tx3yj
@FirstLast-tx3yj 4 жыл бұрын
Can I fit m42 pistons on m50 non vanos rods??
@pazi88
@pazi88 4 жыл бұрын
Yes you can, but don't know how well that will work out.
@luukere6695
@luukere6695 4 жыл бұрын
motivation: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fHvEmqx5odtngs0&ab_channel=BalticMotorSport 226kw from the wheels
@reecebower6313
@reecebower6313 4 жыл бұрын
You could make that power with an engine that weighs a lot less. Kinda ruins an e30 for what it is which is perfect weight distribution.
@pazi88
@pazi88 4 жыл бұрын
And that is?
@pazi88
@pazi88 4 жыл бұрын
BTW this engine goes to e36. It won't be s50b32 killer, but just because I can project.
@reecebower6313
@reecebower6313 4 жыл бұрын
@@pazi88 any 4 cyclinder would probably weigh less and can easily achieve 300hp. If u want it strictly bmw u could use a 4 cyclinder from a mini. But id just use a 1.8t which weighs 282ibs and can make 300hp no problem. The m52 weighs like 350ibs
@becomematrix
@becomematrix 4 жыл бұрын
Buy used dishwasher -> parts washer 😀
@pazi88
@pazi88 4 жыл бұрын
Tried that long time ago. Doesn't work...
@becomematrix
@becomematrix 4 жыл бұрын
pazi88 ah too bad.
@JulmaJuha
@JulmaJuha 4 жыл бұрын
Mikä pesuaine sulla on käytössä ultraäänipesurissa?
@pazi88
@pazi88 4 жыл бұрын
m.motonet.fi/fi/tuote/599540/Oregon-Ultrasonic-pesuainetiiviste-ultraaanipesureihin-1-l
@6CylAddict
@6CylAddict 4 жыл бұрын
Why don’t you start with an s52 engine instead?
@pazi88
@pazi88 4 жыл бұрын
Not available here.
@TopiAS06
@TopiAS06 4 жыл бұрын
Shitty US engine
@jokisensimo
@jokisensimo 4 жыл бұрын
Eihän siihen tarvii edes vaihtaa niitä nokkia kun jo hiotuillakin irtoaa se kolmemarkkaa
@pazi88
@pazi88 4 жыл бұрын
täh
@jokisensimo
@jokisensimo 4 жыл бұрын
pazi88 on tiedossa yks m52b28, mistä vakio männillä ja imusarjalla + hiotuilla nokilla ja kiinapeltisatsilla on ajettu E85:lla kolmen sadan lukemat yhessä kotimaan parhaista penkeistä
@TopiAS06
@TopiAS06 4 жыл бұрын
@@jokisensimo Noilla muutoksilla 300hp? :D
@jokisensimo
@jokisensimo 4 жыл бұрын
TopiAS06 ei tietenkään ilman ammattilaisen säätöä, mutta sellaset lukemat näky kyseisestä koneesta tulleen
@TopiAS06
@TopiAS06 4 жыл бұрын
@@jokisensimo taidan hieman epäillä. harvasta saa noin pienellä +100hp lisää vakioon.
@dmc5681
@dmc5681 4 жыл бұрын
If you can’t get 300hp you’re not really trying.
@CarlosVega-xm2ch
@CarlosVega-xm2ch 4 жыл бұрын
$
@wesulius
@wesulius 4 жыл бұрын
Noissa on sitte ontot nokat , että ei hirrmuusti paree hiota.
@pazi88
@pazi88 4 жыл бұрын
Joo onhan ne putket ontot, mut pitää perusympyrää ottaa varmaan 10mm pienemmäksi, että siitä tulis ongelmaa.
@wesulius
@wesulius 4 жыл бұрын
@@pazi88 ei kun ne nokatkin on ontot , kokemusta löytyy , katkee akseli nokan kohdalta koska se on ontto sitä ei voi hiota juuri ollenkaan.
@pazi88
@pazi88 4 жыл бұрын
@@wesulius Onkai noita hiottu aika paljonkin ongelmitta. Mutta kuiteskin varmaan joudun pistämään kättä taskuun ja laittamaan aftermarket nokat tähän. Oon nyt tässä urakalla miettiny eri vaihtoehtoja ja miten tuon toteuttaa ja tämä nyt vaatii ihan minimissään 270 asteiset nokat että tehotavoitteeseen on mitään mahdollisuutta päästä. Moisten lukemien saaminen hiotuilla nokilla vaatii nostinpukkien ja nostinten osalta melkoisia kikkailuja, että varmaan tosiaan ostan jotkut shrick/cat cams 270 asteiset nokat, joiden luvataan jämymmillä jousilla pelaavan normi hydrauli nostinten kanssa.
@midgrave
@midgrave 4 жыл бұрын
why not just start with m54?
@pazi88
@pazi88 4 жыл бұрын
Those are super expensive here. About 1500-2000€ for m54b30. When m52b28/25 is few hundred €. That's the reason. And then it wouldn't be 300hp m52 😅
@midgrave
@midgrave 4 жыл бұрын
@@pazi88 Can I ask what you paid for the b30 crank?
@pazi88
@pazi88 4 жыл бұрын
@@midgrave 300€
@petteri.peraaho
@petteri.peraaho 4 жыл бұрын
Mistä sait idean että vapari
@pazi88
@pazi88 4 жыл бұрын
Ihan vaan mielenkiinnosta
@petteri.peraaho
@petteri.peraaho 4 жыл бұрын
@@pazi88 onse vapari tavallaan parempi
@bilteman_hukkaportti
@bilteman_hukkaportti 4 жыл бұрын
Vapari on aina vaikeemman kautta, lähes minkä vaan bensakoneen tehot saa tuplattua ahtamalla helposti ja ihan avaamattoman moottorin niinkin että kestää kauemmin ku yhen kesän kuminpoltot. Näissä vapari touhuissa sitten tarvitaan alavireinen jenkki kasi jos meinaa tuplata vakiotehot ilman ahdinta😃 Esim. 5.0 gt mustang, siihen voi tilata viri kannet suoraan pakettina, sitten pakosatsit ja bensapuolen päivitystä niin irtoo 400hp ja 400nm ja hintaa tulee about 3000€ kaikkineen. Vakio tehot oli jotain 215hp ja noin 300nm.
@ionx1198
@ionx1198 4 жыл бұрын
I'm curious if you make a N/A project car faster than this one (currently world record) Good luck! kzbin.info/www/bejne/pae4iKVraKx4qZI Check his youtube channel. The car has a 8hp automatic gearbox now.
@FirstLast-tx3yj
@FirstLast-tx3yj 4 жыл бұрын
Hand port the heads!! A 3.0 can make 260whp with ported heads and manifold and headers This is not bullshit this is what faster proms did
@pazi88
@pazi88 4 жыл бұрын
Well 260crank maybe if you are lucky. 260whp is bullshit. With 15% drivetrain loss that would be 299hp from crank. So 70hp more with those mods 🙄
@_coffeeandcigars
@_coffeeandcigars 4 жыл бұрын
have you got a link to their video?
@FirstLast-tx3yj
@FirstLast-tx3yj 4 жыл бұрын
@@pazi88 kzbin.info/www/bejne/nKLHe3ufe66afJY Watch with and without filter at 20:00 it is actually 255whp They put a bigger throttle body in a later episode and they say but dyno it was noticebly faster. If you want to hear them talk about what they have done watch from the middle of the video After they upgrade the throttle body i believe it reached 255whp all the time not only with airfilter off. So you have agressive cams and 15:1 on top of that. You will get 300whp easy
@FirstLast-tx3yj
@FirstLast-tx3yj 4 жыл бұрын
@@_coffeeandcigars kzbin.info/www/bejne/nKLHe3ufe66afJY Look at my other reply for more specific details
@_coffeeandcigars
@_coffeeandcigars 4 жыл бұрын
They say they have zhp cams and the m50 manifold...thats maybe 20hp i would guess, the headwork alone cant strech it the reat of the way imho. Maybe there are other mods or a calibration issue on the dyno...
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