307: Billy The Kid: The Man Who Died Twice | The Confessionals x Sasquatch Chronicles SWAPCAST

Did Pat Garrett kill Billy the Kid?
It was a moonlit night in Ft. Sumner, NM when history tells us that Sheriff Pat Garrett shot down the notorious outlaw Billy “the Kid”. Newspapers across the country quickly reported that the Kid was dead and Garrett quickly put the body in the ground. But rumors spread that the Kid had survived and the testimony of Garrett’s posse was contradictory about how, exactly, the shooting had gone down. Nevertheless, without evidence, the story of the heroic Sheriff stood for almost 70 years. Then, in 1950, an old man from Hico, TX petitioned the governor of New Mexico for a pardon for crimes he committed as Billy the Kid. No one took him seriously, and yet the old man was an exact match in physical characteristics and knew intimate details about the Kid’s life. He also knew details about the fateful shooting the night Garrett claimed to have shot him that had been erased by history. Details, for example, that Garrett had killed his very drunk bearded half-Mexican partner, a claim that has only recently been verified by modern research.
It has been said that the living write history and not the dead, but when one returns from the dead, so to speak, that which was lost to history is restored. This is the true story of Billy the Kid, complete with new evidence that he lived to a ripe old age and died a free man.
THE STORY
In 1882 the notorious outlaw Jesse Evans, a childhood friend of Billy the Kid and a participant in the Lincoln County War, walked out of jail after serving a sentence for killing a Texas ranger. Jesse walked out of prison a free man and disappeared, never to be heard from again. Never, that is, until 1949 when Jesse came out of hiding after almost 60 years to claim an inheritance left to him by his brother.
In the course of proving his identity to a court, Jesse told some amazing stories of his time when he was an outlaw but his biggest revelation of all was that his good friend Billy the Kid was still alive. Jesse led a young lawyer named William Morrison to an old man named not William H. Bonney but William H. Roberts who after some consideration finally agreed to come forward and reveal himself as Billy the Kid. He agreed to this on one condition- that the lawyer helps him obtain the pardon he was promised by the Governor but never received so he could die a free man. You see, Billy the Kid was still wanted for murder and was condemned to hang. To reveal himself was to risk arrest and death. This was a risk that William H. Roberts was willing to take. He sat down with Mr. Morrison and told his story.
This book contains that story. It is the one true autobiography of Billy the Kid. A story that aside from some definite highlights and adventures that one would expect from the Kid, was remarkable normal and focused on his skill breaking horses as much or as more as his skill as a gunslinger. Billy the Kid was, in fact, just a gifted young cowhand who found himself juxtaposed against corrupt officials and lawmen at what became a key moment in American History.
Before one dismisses Mr. Roberts it should be considered that 5 living acquaintances of Billy the Kid, aside from Mr. Evans who revealed him, were willing to sign legal affidavits that Mr. Roberts was the man they knew as Billy the Kid. Further, the new photographic comparison shows beyond a shadow of a doubt that they were the same man. Mr. Roberts' story became the inspiration for the opening scene in the hit movie "Young Guns II" starring Emilio Estevez as Billy the Kid. Also, Consider that Pat Garrett was denied his reward for killing the kid for many months and that only a special act of the legislature allowed him to finally receive it. All of this and more is contained in this book. Thanks to Mr. Morrison each of us can now pull up a chair, sit down across from Billy the Kid, and listen as he shares his story.
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[@stevensneed2999]

Pat NEVER killed Billy. He died of old age. This story is absolute truth.

[@tutankhamunwhite665]

I know you would like to believe that but a person of his stature could stay out of trouble for so long and not be detected yeah right

[@carmichael3594]

Love the confessionals🤙 just when I thought this channel covered all my interests I find another topic I absolutely love. Awesome episode.

[@blazerwilliams2260]

Hearing Emilio talk in that old voice will always bring back memories.

[@daddyshovel7995]

Man ur grandma was awesome!! If you could interview her today, her blood is still flowing in your veins. Your show was perfect.

[@AarronS]

Great show guys. Love history. Thanks for your hard work with this.

[@sidneydaugherty4895]

I wish a movie would be made of Dan's Book. The History of Billy roberts is amazing in its self.

[@bryanbulmer6716]

they will screw it up

[@SULLIEDASP]

They already did that's with young guns two those they changed stuff like Doc dieing in place of another gang member. Pat Garrett said then he killed the kid until the guy reached the lawmen and died in their arms

[@sidneydaugherty4895]

@@SULLIEDASP it highlighted it. But Dan's book goes on top detail that young guns didnt. Just like them news article of the mexican that was killed. And a whole lot of details not covered.

[@Rollin_L]

They left out the part where Brushy Bill also signed the Declaration of Independence, was a delegate to the Constitutional Convention, fought at the Alamo and was the most decorated American soldier of both World Wars. Of course, these are minor accomplishments compared to all the others Brushy Bill lays claim to.

[@taylorking5463]

I LOVED this show!! I love everything about Billy the Kid.

[@tmgetts]

Thank you for covering the truth about Billy the Kid and Brushy Bill finally the story is being told. I’ve been researching Brushy Bill Roberts and I’ve found a photo when he said he worked with Buffalo Bill. It’s extremely awesome when you find things that’s right there in front of your eyes and no one else realizes it. A big Thank you to Daniel Edwards for doing such an extraordinary job on his research and book!

[@Halbared]

Is this pic on the web?

[@rayjordan4988]

Amen✔️🥇‼️

[@solboogie08]

Always love young guns and was always fancinated by Billy's story. My father had told me Garrett did not kill Billy the kid when we watched young guns together back in the day. Growing up in Harlem NY I realized when watching the news and the official story on tv of events in my neighborhood that it was just that, a story. 95% of the time the story's were full of lies or half truths.

[@dianaclark767]

As an artist, I look at the picture of Brushy Bill, and definitely see Billy the Kid! They are one and the same person!

[@trollgod7565]

lol, wishful thinking should be considered a mental illness.

[@awakenasleepsheep6000]

I am just finding this episode June 9,2024. So sad my dad couldnt have been shown BILLY THE KID DIDN'T DIE AT THE HANDS OF PAT GARRETT!!!

[@joes7885]

This is amazing. Thanks Wes

[@corycole3474]

I'm from Southern Oklahoma but my family always went to Ruidoso on vacation every year. I've seen where it all went down. Thank You

[@r.w.daskevich188]

Josiah G. “Doc” Scurlock died and is buried in Eastland, Texas. Eastland is close to Hico, where Brushy Bill lived. Seems strange to me that Doc and someone claiming to be the Kid lived so close to each other and nobody ever mentions it. I don’t believe in coincidences that much.

[@Heidenryk]

Love this! Great show

[@Mark1959Holladay]

Great interview, I remember my grandpa back in the fifties telling me that Pat was a bum and didn't shoot Billy. He also told me that Doc Holliday was my great grandpa, I was able to trace our family to a town outside of Salt Lake City, it's now just a suburb, crazy to think you had a dentist in the family LOL. Have a blessed day from a old veteran:) BTW my nickname in the Army was Doc, sure miss the old days.

[@silverfoxtrot8297]

MINE WAS SILVER FOX. MY GREAT GRANDFATHER SAID THE SAME THING ABOUT PAT (SAID HE WAS P.O.S.) THAT WOULD SELL HIS OWN MOTHER FOR A DOLLAR. HE ALSO SAID THAT BILLY WAS A GOOD GUY THAT OUR CORRUPT GOVT. WANTED DEAD? SOUNDS ALITTLE FAMILAR????? GOD BLESS

[@rita1259-y5c]

Fascinating! Love this interview!

[@johnisouth6636]

Here is a piece of interesting American history. Good to hear some American history as well. As a child I was fascinated by Billy The Kid so this is awesome.

[@scottbain5460]

Great show. I'm a Billy the Kid fanatic, I believe brushy was THE KID whole heartedly.

[@Davidg1t1]

Wes you Rock. Great show brother. This is an interesting subject for sure.

[@realdeel1982]

Man this was an amazing episode.

[@seanauten6431]

Bought the book and had several friends purchase it as well. Daniel you rock !!!!! To add to this I have a relative who studied linguistics at the University of Rochester and she says the best way to be fluent in any language is to be immersed in it from birth. Now which is more likely that he learned Spanish in Texas as a young child or new York? 🤔

[@SULLIEDASP]

Texas but I still think he could have been born in New York. They got that he was baptized there a record has him and his father and mother or Aunt and his brother. But his father died and his mom moved right after and maybe went to Texas. Bushy Bill Roberts would not know or remember unless his mother told him.

[@weswesyallforalltimegreats9498]

I have always enjoyed this topic. I have looked into the Jesse James story more recently. I've listened to this particular show 4 times. I really enjoy it. Ya'll stay peaceful. Best wishes from WES to..WES!!

[@awakenasleepsheep6000]

I told my dad about Brushy Bill a few years back, because my dad LOVED the old west. He didnt believe it. He died back in 2021. So, I never got to show him that IT REALLY WAS BILLY THE KID!!! Pat Garrett didnt kill him after all!!!

[@KurtOnoIR]

Great presentation. In the later years Billy was said to carry a double action colt thunderer. Same as the lightning but .41 caliber.

[@jimkovach8873]

Just found this episode and it’s fantastic

[@whooplife9785]

Nice job Wes.

[@illmerica322]

What a wild ride as a huge Billy the kid fan this was very very interesting.

[@amywilkins543]

Great Show Wes!!! Thanks for sharing this!!! Luv It!!!❤️

[@jamesestrada82]

The music that starts playing at 3:47 reminds me of a show I used to watch as a kid called “The Mysterious Cities of Gold”!

[@Keepthecircleclean]

Which is such a good show.

[@Halbared]

One of the best cartoons of the 80’s.

[@Koncept34]

Thats a great show... thanks Tony for letting Wes do this one. 🤙🤙🤙

[@jacobjones9901]

Wow love this story new to the channel damn man so many great guest's on your podcast iv told my family and friends about your podcast I love all the things you cover definitely got a new fan you talked about john wilkes booth I live in franklyn county Tn. There's a cave in my neighbor county that I partied in as a teenager that they have turned into a concert hall its alot of famous musicians play there and they have a music series being filmed there that's where john wilkes booth supposedly went to and stayed for 6 to 8 months before moving to sewanee mountain and married to a woman there they both worked at a well known university called university of the south and lived out his days thanks for all the great shows you put out we need more people like yall in the world of of NEWS and information

[@davidconger4541]

Great show Wes !!! Very interesting subject

[@sidneydaugherty4895]

Please tell Dan to do a documentary mini series about his book. I was never really a believer that Brushy Bill was the Kid until his book. What he has uncovered rewrites history and Tells the true story of Billy.

[@zeusthegod480]

One word- Fascinating!!!

[@everettmenard5196]

They even took pictures of Bonnie and Clyde I think. If they posed with dead relatives such as kids Etc they will pose with anybody.

[@Lone_wolfe68]

Awesome vid thankyou this vid is so uderared I agree brushy was billy rhe kid their are so many idiots out their thankyou for the great vid

[@VivianRAlex]

Love ❤ this episode!!!!

[@drahculia3579]

Could this be the BEST episode of The Confessionals yet?

[@billyshupe5239]

Nah I like the episode about Billy the Kid better 😎 and this one also lol

[@danielwebster5748]

Yes he looked very young because even when he was 21 years old he was known to not be able to grow a beard. And even his mustache was said to be little more than peach fuzz. Mexican women were almost standing in line to get with Billy. They said the picture of him absolutely looks nothing like him. He said he was a pleasant looking very handsome man and looks nothing like this rogue rough-looking guy in the tin type. Is definitely all wrong that he had a very small chin while in the picture this guy has a huge chin. They said the picture looks almost like a different man even though it is known that it is Billy the kid.

[@Heidenryk]

I liked it alot

[@JoshuaRoberts-bz1th]

Thanks for update.

[@queenofno6055]

I wish I had listened to this sooner

[@usa91787]

I've seen things that say Brushy Bill was not Billy the Kid but for sure to me he is. There's no way anyone but Billy could know some of this stuff.

[@Veronica-et6we]

Good Show! More like this...

[@user-cs3hi8zp7p]

Sooo freekin awesome!!! Cool to think Billy the kid lived in Texas til old age with his lady! LEGEND👍

[@tuomomikkonen4650]

Great episode!

[@corycole3474]

I started researching every photo of Roosevelt's Rough Riders I could find and holy shit!

[@colleenbowman1399]

Great episode.

[@ThaRealRizzo]

I’m 50/50. I really like to believe he didn’t end in Fort Sumner and I hope he didn’t, even if I never know beyond a doubt. His path of “wrongdoings” started because of his fierce loyalty to friends (Tunstall) and wanting justice that he knew would otherwise never be served. From there it was almost totally out of sheer self-preservation. Very good analysis and background from start to finish by both of you

[@rebeccaalderman1393]

Epic show! ❤ Wes!

[@susancompton5672]

Wes this was awesome! Tony, listen to Wes! He knows what we 👍! Love ya both!

[@TheConfessionalsPodcast]

Yeah but I only do show that I like. Not interested in being bored out of my mind making shows lol

[@susancompton5672]

@@TheConfessionalsPodcast My Dad loved everything about the old west & raised me watching westerns. Guess that's why I like this stuff, if he were still here he would have listened to his 1st podcast. Just goes to prove we really only know the history They want us to know, not always the TRUTH.

[@bryanrussell6679]

Great show Wes. Super interesting topic!

[@20cosmos20]

That was a great interview!! Never knew the details to the story. Good job!!

[@lurksalot7894]

Excellent show, God bless

[@sybennett1179]

I have only got into Wild West cause I played red dead redemption 2 the story’s from the west are amazing I love it thank you for making this

[@bizzlea887]

Great episode...I never believed Garrett. But I was hoping he had said it was Billy and knew it wasn't outta friendship and not really wanting the bounty and to have Billy dead. What about the infamous carving of Pals into his coffin

[@TheBandit08]

Could you make a video showing the evidence for the claims?

[@mandybutler8880]

Incredible!!!!

[@wesley8710]

Young Guns & Young Guns 2 are great movies

[@danjohnson887]

Good commentary but the over produced video is awful. Please don't ever use that flashing screen ever for any reason. However, total props to having the volume as loud as it is!!! This is how every upload should be for volume!

[@billynowell1120]

Garrett didn't kill the kid , My mother was born near Ruidoso nm , her great aunt was there at Maxwells when the shooting occurred. She told family members the boy Garrett shot was a Mexican not Billy . I had 2 aunts who were Bennetts who lived on a ranch on the Rio Pineasco and they stayed their grandfather visited with Billy several years after he was supposed to be killed . Also my Uncle Pete Gililland stated his Uncle Jim Gililland brought an old man to the ranch when he was about 8 yrs of age and the old timer stayed for a spell , after Uncle Pete dad and family figured out who he was they took him to Nogales and dropped him off that was about 1935 . I believe my family far more than I believe outsiders .

[@rayjordan4988]

If we could find 'Billy Barlow' on the 1880 Lincoln County census, then that certainly would explain why 'Billy Barlow' completely "fell off the face of the earth" that night. ...it would explain why Billy the Kid was reported 2 have "resembled a mexican:" Billy Barlow was Half-Mexican! I wonder if any 'missing persons' reports were filed on Billy Barlow??

[@illmerica322]

I know this question probably gets asked a lot but does anyone no which episodes are in the opening the giant one and the one about the one slithering over to him.

[@rustyphillips1984]

What do you think Dan about the ears of Billy compared to Brushys ? You are the best investigator and researcher on the subject of the Kid. You make sense out of the mystery and controversy of the Kid. I have been totally convinced Brushy was Billy and then I ran across a program comparing Billy's detached ear lobes against photo of Brushys completly attached ear lobe. Ola Everhart interview convinced me that Brushy was Billy and Dalton was her cousin Jessie James. She explains Billy's front teeth being removed and his relationship with Jessie James throughout childhood that continued until Brushys death. I want Brushy to be Billy but now I'm confused about the ears ?

[@AM1999]

Look at the new picture. The tintype had been degraded so it looked different than the original.

[@andythegoatman694]

Not gonna lie ....young guns 2 music got me suckered boys

[@luisvega7508]

Wow great upload, awesome info on Billy.

[@wesleyhelmer2451]

Billy Barlow was from the clements family from ballinger texas !! yes the same family that Jim miller married into !! cousin to John Wesley if i recall!!

[@ItsGage]

This is fantastic, thank you for putting this together!

[@andythegoatman694]

I enjoyed this alot like the old west history. The episode you did on wes' show the was definitely the top for me but this was fascinating because this guys seemed to be all over the place after he died. An old west legend man if its true and i believe it is

[@SULLIEDASP]

I heard Pat Garrett only got the part of the ward for killing the kid and the governor refused to pay for the rest and still putting out wanted posters for the kid.

[@rosacastelo6482]

My favorite so far❤

[@johngonzalez2310]

I traveled thru out New Mexico. I made friends there that grew up on horse and cattle ranches who later became rodeo hands. I asked about Billy the Kid and they have told me that their grandparents and great-uncles said that Pat killed Billy Barlow. Pat thought he was BtK. Pat and Billy knew each other in Uvalde Tx later Pat wants Billy to leave New Mexico. The plan was to kill Billy Barlow and they split the reward. Billy also knew Jesse James because JJ would come to Las Vegas NM and even stayed at the St. James hotel in Cimarron NM. I believe BtK is Brushy Bill Roberts.

[@rocbaby23]

dope interview.. if you have a copy of the Morrison book . make it a audio version on KZbin . just a thought. love the interview good stuff

[@attilathehun0]

Does Edwards understand that there weren't any newspaper journalists from Silver City, Santa Fe ect.. in Fort Sumner the night of the ambush July 14th, 1881 nor the burial on the 15th? Fort Sumner was a small remote town. They didn't have telephones and cars back then in Fort Sumner.

[@corycole3474]

Does Edwards understand? LMAO

[@attilathehun0]

@@corycole3474 nope

[@corycole3474]

@@attilathehun0 Have you asked him if he understands?

[@attilathehun0]

@@corycole3474 He does not.😂

[@corycole3474]

@@attilathehun0 So you didn't ask him?

[@509DivinePines]

This is dope

[@aurelioperez3517]

You made a. good point or fact about Brushy ,, indicating on the night supposedly was killed ,, Jesus Silva version according to his grandson always said that Patt Garrett shot Billy with a shotgun out in the front porch and was unrecognizable ,, he’s grandson mentioned this on a Vedio tape back in the 1980 s I believe ,, that’s pretty darn consistent to what Brushy version ,, your absolutely right there’s no way brushy could have known this otherwise he was in fact Billy the kid

[@DerekL]

Very cool

[@jaycos3]

That's a fargan lie about he couldn't know about the black soldiers.That was mentioned in Time or Life magazine in the 1920's they sold a million copies of that particular magazine.

[@daveansell6212]

Billy the Kid wouldn't want a pardon- by 90 he would've probably just smiled to himself, that he got away etc - besides: I'm Billy the Kid🤣

[@dwaynebrown163]

If you look at Brushy Bill's and Billy the kids eyebrows are one in the same. Brushy Bill was BTK. NO DOUBT ABOUT IT

[@E180TEKNO]

16:26 did you know that at that time the duels did not really exist and the gunslingers or all men carry a six shots shot 9/10 this shooted in the back? (sorry for my english i am french)

[@rustyphillips1984]

Great stuff. Good research

[@daddyshovel7995]

My favorite part was when the kid said " HEY PAT , IS THAT CHARLIE THERE NEXT TO YA? pat said yeah. Kid said. HE AIN'T THERE NO MORE. " and when they were in the spirit world.

[@jenniferbeck6091]

Ok so I am related to Jessie James, Bonnie from Bonnie and Clyde. Bonnie was in prison or jail with my uncle. I am also related to John James ketchum. Doc holiday is a relatively too.

[@TRAXRIPPER]

PALS. PHILLY HOLLER! I Was born in Abington and grew up in Morrisville! Used to bowl at Erie Lanes right off Bridge st & Torresdale soon as you hit Erie the lanes are on the left! Have not been there since 94! Feels like an old west story of my own! Lol

[@TonyT2796]

Also, If Poe said the Kid wouldn't have come here, then why was he there? If he was not there, how would he know what went down that night?

[@mgoswick9250]

Liked it very much so. Lol, I’m 45 years old & I know who it is to whom you are referring to. William H. Bonny

[@danielwebster5748]

It would have been very easy for Pat Garrett to shoot the wrong man because witnesses said after he fired the shot he ran off yelling. He knew it was killed or be killed and Billy didn't see him so he took a shot in the dark it paid off but not with Billy. Billy told him that it's kill or be killed so he was there with a very itchy trigger finger and scared to death anyway.

[@GodzillaTheKingoftheMonster]

I saw pictures of a bushy. He looks nothing like Billy need your picture when he’s young if he’s actually exact like Billy the Kidd if he is by the kid.

[@mollybrownuptown5849]

If his teeth were straight he would look like a young Gene Kelly.

[@douglasboyd8475]

Here’s the problem. Brushy if he was Billy the kid, would have lived a life of laying low so as to not be caught and hanged. Yet Brushy Roberts said that he was a Marshall, not once, but twice and that he traveled and was in the wild Bill West show, he fought in two wars, rode with Teddy Roosevelt and the rough riders, and it goes on and on and on, about the only thing he did not do was run for president of the United States, and we are to believe that he was Billy, the kid, and no one ever thought any of the wiser? Come on you guys.

[@melidee1479]

Awesome

[@danielwebster5748]

One thing that makes me know that that's not Billy the kid is he would never be roaming around barefoot with a knife and one of his hands with strangers around. That was not Billy the kid and Billy the kid had a sixth sense and he would not be roaming around that area barefoot with a knife to get some meat when strangers are known to be in the add to me that makes all the sense in the world why would Billy speak in Spanish to men who were talking to him in English.

[@jenniferbeck6091]

Yes jessie james and billy the kid ran together

[@attilathehun0]

Before Brushy claimed to be Billy the Kid he claimed to be in the James Gang and his friend Dalton was Jesse James. There was newspaper article with his picture of him standing by Dalton's bed.

[@corycole3474]

What was the name of this newspaper and what date was the story and photo published?

[@attilathehun0]

@@corycole3474 The rumors/myths back then was that both Billy and Jesse weren't killed and rode together. Sue Land claims that her husband at 12 years old met the James Gang=Brushy and Dalton. Ole Everhard claimed to be a relative and friends of Jesse and Billy=Dalton and Brushy.

[@wesleyhelmer2451]

its a great book !! a must read if you into this subject !!

[@holdencaulfield8429]

Wow that was a patience testing 3 and a half minutes

[@jenniferbeck6091]

But from what I understand the public is not supposed to know that

[@keepall3818]

Gale Cooper does an excellent job of debunking Brushy Bill Roberts. He was illiterate, didn’t speak Spanish, and was only eighteen months old when Billy was killed.

[@juliethompson5301]

And yet people are still believing this brushy bill bollocks 🤦 in other news jack the ripper was the Duke of Clarence. 🤣also Marty Mcfly was Clint Eastwood 😅😅😅

[@ferdburfel6347]

Don't believe a word by Gale Cooper. She's a first nut case.

[@drewandcharlie7583]

Watch the billy the kid episode of wild west extravaganza. Very very well researched. The residents of ft sumter had billys body for a whole day not garett. and many people saw him dead. 48 that historians have confirmed. 48 residents that were at least familiar and at most were friends with the kid. And garret’s deputy said you killed the wrong man, at the door before going in and looking at the body. There was not argument. He details the situation in his book, the DEATH of billy the kid. All the real evidence says garret killed the kid. Now, the residents could have all lied. But the evidence that he was killed far outweighs the hearsay that he wasnt. Brushy bill may have known the kid. Its a good story. But its probably not true.

[@richennis3663]

Was the re ard collected lol

[@TonyT2796]

He wasn't old enough to be The Kid. He did not look anything like the Kid. He did not speak Spanish fluently, he could not read or write well. He was old enough and in the right part of the country to have probably heard stories (true or not) from other old timers from that Era. So these little unknown "facts" was no doubt told to him.

[@aurelioperez3517]

If you have an opportunity ,, you need to read the Saga of Billy the Kid , which was published in 1926 ,, it has all the details that were actually described by Bushy ,, it mentions the African American , The buffalo that Bushy mentioned,, also the Lincoln war was a five day Battle not three days ,, I strongly believe Bushy read this book and went accordingly to what he read ,,

[@lostamericanhistory2536]

I could be way wrong on all of this but didn't brushy come out in the 40s ?

[@aurelioperez3517]

@@lostamericanhistory2536 yes but what I’m saying the book was published 1926

[@lostamericanhistory2536]

@aurelioperez3517 oh okay, I'm still studying through the topic, I didn't know tye details on it all. So far after listening to Brett Halls stuff I'm more convinced that he was the kid. But little things have popped up so far that's making me question it. Its hard to separate fact from fiction