The Real Billy the Kid AKA Brushy Bill Roberts In His Own Words: The Shooting At Ft. Sumner

In this episode, I will examine William Henry Roberts' account of July 14, 1881, the shooting at Ft. Sumner. I will also compare Roberts' statements with those made by Pat Garrett and John Poe. Additionally, I will do a detailed analysis of all the events relevant to what purportedly occurred that night at the home of Pete Maxwell.
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[@jimmiethomas7194]

This story is the truth! Pat Garret did not kill Billy the Kid, he shot the wrong man. I’m a descendent of the Maxwells and heard the story growing up. Brushy Bill was Billy the Kid!

[@EatonButthull]

There's many official records of Bill Robert's life. Bottom line:He's way too young to be The Kid. Pat may not have killed Billy, but Bill Roberts was full of shit.

[@Lurks_dev1]

Pat Garret was my anestor

[@brushybret]

@@EatonButthull I've already done a video debunking the claim that Roberts was too young to be the Kid using census, employment and genealogical records. Thanks for watching. kzbin.info/www/bejne/e3ycoIWuptKYm5I

[@Hewasthebestthatcame]

Carney-Morgan-Wicker-Lamb-Smith-McCarty-Morgan-Carney, that is our family relatives… well that’s what I’ve been told

[@dodgeramsport01]

@@EatonButthull The kid was born around 62 not 59

[@edwardmarapese868]

You connected all the dots and left no stone unturned there is no doubt brushy bill was billy the kid awesome job Brett keep it up

[@dungoncrazy2634]

Regardless of whether Brushy was Billy or not what I have learned here is that Garrett was a coward with how many times he ambushed ppl in the dark. And he killed the wrong man twice? What a lunatic. And I'm not debating Brushy wasn't Billy as you definitely have some compelling videos here, and the "in his own words" series is really well done.

[@kirklethbridge4477]

garrett couldnt say he murdered an innocent man hey. this information u have gathered is gold my friend.... i believe fully that the Kid was brushy bill.

[@DonnaGodas]

I wish they would make another movie. The true story! Billy the kid didn't get shot that night.

[@OzzyWillow]

Thank you for recognizing my father Johnny Martinez he was so passionate about the true history regarding Billy the Kid. We lost him on Sept 28th, 2023 . He would have loved to have seen this.

[@FaceOfAmerica2.0]

May he rest in peace. ❤️ 🙏

[@Mr.FlacNaty]

God ur beautiful

[@blaze3884]

I remember watching that interview your Dad did, he was a very knowledgeable man, a serious piece of history. I'm sure you have so many great memories and stories he gifted you with! ❤

[@OzzyWillow]

@user-db5ox4vt5j thank you, I look like my Daddy.

[@DouglasRichardson-er4ky]

May your father RIP 🥀 best wishes from Buckeye AZ 🌵🤠🐎

[@Phildo8]

If the kid had his pistol 6inches from you he would’ve shot end of story! He knew he was wanted and I’m sure he knew Pats voice. I refuse to believe Pat was Faster than the kid who already had his gun out cocked and ready but Pat wants ppl to believe he stood up, drew, fired, killed the kid. 😂😂 right

[@maxlife9721]

Garret was a known liar....

[@BEEZYS-WORLD]

Everyone can't be on all the time you going to get caught slipping one time especially as many times as Billy escaped death I'm sure at his young age he really did start thinking he was invisible as most of us at that age do he felt safe in ft.sumner around his ppl Pete betrayed billy as Pete did not like Billy and paulita it is Saud Pete did not like Billy ways Pete was law biding God fearing

[@Tornado1994]

@@maxlife9721 That RIGHT. He was known for telling Tall Tales. He didn't kill Billy.

[@billbradley2480]

I suspect when the real Billy the Kid heard he was deceased he took the opportunity to relocate then change his life and identity.

[@elizabethdann1997]

Does anyone else remember that INTERVIEW about Jesse James Cousin Ida? She discussed Her Uncle Jesse and Billy the Kid. Jesse actually rode with Billy’s father in The War between the States. Cousin Ida said that when Brushy Bill Robert’s died that her Cousin Jesse cried. Her Cousin Jesse took on several aliases. She called him “Uncle Jesse” as a show of respect. When “Brushy Bill Robert’s” wanted his Pardon and the Governor treated it like “a circus”, why would any “imposter” be so adamant about “his Pardon”. I do Hope that he got The Real Pardon and Forgiveness from our Savior, The Lord JESUS Christ.

[@AnthonySolis-dp1gw]

It’s funny how there is no photo of the dead body. People say there was no photographer there because it’s in the middle of nowhere at the time, but yet the famous tin type photo was taken in fort sumner. Doesn’t anyone find that odd.?

[@brushybret]

@@AnthonySolis-dp1gw Absolutely!

[@MarshallMcCrory]

​@@brushybret Most every outlaw killed was immediately photographed either laid out or at the funeral parlor. But......DAMN.... but NOBODY photo graphed Billy....also NOBODY.....found it prudent to mark the location of the Maxwells house after the flood.....NOBODY marked the location of John Chisums main house/headquarters.

[@snappers_antique_firearms]

most outlaws that were not near a big city or town weren't photographed after death. The photograph of billy was a traveling camera man.

[@AnthonySolis-dp1gw]

@@snappers_antique_firearms say your right. When they did the phony corners report manor rudolf came from a major city Santa Fe don’t you wonder why he did not bring a photographer.

[@snappers_antique_firearms]

@@AnthonySolis-dp1gw its been some time and i forgot the reason but, I would highly recommend watch a KZbin channel called wild west extravaganza. His episodes on why brushy bill is not billy the kid. will explain that plus far far more. including Birth records, census records, marriage records. I used to believe brushy was billy and wish it were so but there is so so much proving he is not. Plus if we belive him about being Billy then we would also take him at his word for running with ponchovia. teddy roosevelt in the rough riders. buffalo bill cody's show. Professional horse wrangler. And lots more he claimed.

[@rpgentertainment211]

A fantastic video. Thank you so much. I think whether one believes Brushy Bill was Billy The Kid or not, what is at least obvious to me is that Billy The Kid didnt die at Fort Sumner in 1881! My view is that Brushy was The Kid!

[@danielhuff1397]

Mine too

[@Obizzil.]

I’ve been alive 47 years and followed Billy and have even ben to Lincoln, but this is the best understanding and closest to the facts that i have ever been.

[@jasonmccullough5743]

Thank you for putting this together

[@Blaze-hr2pk]

It is true that Brushy Bill was indeed Billy the Kid!

[@PeterDelorey-s4l]

Ya I went to school with him 😌

[@Phildo8]

12:57 Poe said “he had me covered with his 6 shooter fast as lightnin” however garret wants u to believe that he beat the kid even though the kid already had his cocked and ready but he beat the kid by standing up drawing and firing 😂😂

[@insertnamehere313]

Pat does all of that in the pitch dark. Says he knows the kids vioce but doesn't seem to recognize it enough to shoot instantly and instead waits until he get close and waits until Maxwell says that's him. Also I can't believe that Billy was shot in the heart..fell backwards yet according to Poe still had a gun in his right hand and a knife in his left. You get hit in heart. .and you won't still be holding a heavy gun and a knife..you loose grip and function...not keep it.

[@chrismayo4902]

Brushy Bill was Billy the Kid’ the facts of Mr Garrets story never added up’ the known fact that he already shot 2 other men he thought were billy was damaging enough’ no one in there right mind would let that happen a 3rd time’ he passed off Barlow as the kid and Poe and others could not argue that fact’ they never saw or met Billy’ Pat most likely thought that Billy would disappear and change his name and live under an alias far enough away to go on with his life’ the chance of that likely since Billy was not your typical cold blooded murdering type outlaw’ in fact he was the law at one point and bad corrupt politics put him on the other side of things’ may he rest in peace that he did not get in his life.

[@ryanbutz5469]

If he was killed that night youd think their would be a picture of his body .

[@JustTheFlecks]

Fort Sumner is in the middle of nowhere - there was no local photographer.

[@Sonderin]

Allegedly there is one but it's just a covered body... Odd there's no facial confirmation of such an important kill, especially when the guy who supposedly killed him had a picture of him he later included in his book lol... Hmm...

[@ryanbutz5469]

If thats true i still would think their would be some evidence of the killing he was a high profile outlaw ​@JustTheFlecks

[@AnthonySolis-dp1gw]

Supposedly there was no photographer but yet the famous photo of Billy the kid was in fort sumner. Don’t believe what your told do your own investigation. Just like a ufo crash in Roswell so many witnesses but there all liars right a bunch of bs.

[@AnthonySolis-dp1gw]

⁠but yet the famous photo of Billy the kid was in fort sumner. Don’t believe everything they tell you.

[@user-qh9cz5xo7jkeithkucera]

The mc sween widow favored the kid to escape , believe that . Do you think she thought him a devil protecting her and her husband . No and another thing the story siringo heard first hand of how billy helped a sick old man payed his doctor bill just like the good Samaritan story in the Bible and when the old man heard billy was killed he cried . Only billy got away and I found his trail 100% he got away . Died at 90 years old with a kind wife that loved him , exactly what billy the kid deserved . Period .

[@rodharp972]

Brett what if I told you that I can't prove that Pat Garrett by his own words did not kill Billy the Kid. Ok here we go if you go to Pat Garrett book he said that " We approached these houses cautiously, and when within ear shot, heard the sound of voices conversing in Spanish. We concealed ourselves quickly and listened; but the distance was too great to hear words, or even distinguish voices. Soon a man arose from the ground, in full view, but too far away to recognize. He wore a broad-brimmed hat, a dark vest and pants, and was in his shin sleeves. With a few words, which fell like a murmur on our ears, he went to the fence, jumped it, and walked down towards Maxwell's house. Little as we then suspected it, this man was the Kid." Now from here Pat goes into what he was told by someone else what Billy was doing before they got to Maxwells place. Now let's pick back up where Pat start talking about Billy again. "When the Kid, by me unrecognized, left the orchard, I motioned to my companions, and we cautiously retreated a short distance, and, to avoid the persons whom we had heard at the houses, took another route, approaching Maxwell's house from the opposite direction. When we reached the porch in front of the building, I left Poe and McKinney at the end of the porch, about twenty feet from the door of Pete's room, and went in. It was near midnight and Pete was in bed. I walked to the head of the bed and sat down on it, beside him, near the pillow. I asked him as to the whereabouts of the Kid. He said that the Kid had certainly been about, but he did not know whether he had left or not. At that moment a man sprang quickly into the door, looking back, and called twice in Spanish, "Who conies there?" No one replied and he came on in. He was bare headed. From his step I could perceive he was either barefooted or in his stocking-feet, and held a revolver in his right hand and a butcher knife in his left." Now if you read this Pat just describe two different people one person with a hat who hoop the fence with no gun or knife in either hand. So what Billy hoop the fence took off his hat then head down to Maxwells place? Why would Billy do that? And the other person bear headed bear footed with knife in one hand and a 41 in the other.

[@jason686361able]

Garrets book was discredited

[@bobbycagle2506]

Good job Brett. Brushys story of these events fills in all the gaps. Very enlightening!

[@brushybret]

Thank you!

[@Rambo69710]

Billy and Pat Garrett split the reward money and went there own way Billy went own having kids and having a good life and died on December 27 1950 age 91

[@jamesconroy6078]

For sure there would have been a photo, most wanted man in the U.S., I believe this is the real story. Great job. Thanks.

[@samuraisteve2775]

Another ding dong saying there would be a picture… How rare was it for anyone except a professional photographer to have a camera in the 1880’s?🤯 They were using candles ding a ling.🫵🏻

[@DavidThomas-qq4hf]

​@@samuraisteve2775why so angry? Are people no longer entitled to opinion?

[@tiekawaterman5547]

Amen my sister looked into it and also believed that Billy wasn't killed in fort Sumner and that he was in fact brushy Bill and that pat had shot the wrong man and covered it up fir one reason or another we felt it was because that it was because they where friends and those that where with him that night didn't even know what billy looked like they took pat at his word that it was billy

[@sichinook3793]

I've been waiting for this episode for soooo long! Thank you.

[@rboyer77]

Amazing as aways. Please keep these coming.

[@christiannareynolds120]

I know two men that are half Mexican w bright blue eyes and get black tan. Is there any truth to him never robbing trains because he refused to rob a “person” that may be struggling? And didn’t his girlfriend visit “his grave” religiously. How accurate is the show. I have such a hope of him being an undercover hero. And I read he was actually extremely good looking and a woman that knew him joked that the only picture of him he looks horrible.i read He never drinks bc he always wanted to be aware. I’m a huge supporter of him. I think people don’t give him enough credit. And was there really a secret society linked to legal systems and legislation etc. also! Originally didn’t they not want to mark his grave?!? Sketch. Thank you so much for your knowledge and sharing. I love it.

[@christiannareynolds120]

Yknow. We have to remember who is writing people’s history. Like we’re finding out that the Aztecs didn’t really sacrifice people but their history was written by people who wanted them to look at bad as possible. His history was written by a man who wanted to be a hero and him to be a villain. And dead. I try to look through different lenses. I was watching a movie and a criminal was being observed and his father said “he stole because he was just hungry and the law wouldn’t leave him alone” and the detective said “maybe he just wanted to steal … (this took place during the depression) and his father in tears said “he stole the chicken bc we were hungry” and the police turned him into a criminal bc they made it impossible for him to even get a job. So he had to steal more. And to this day we only know him as a criminal (Clyde Barrow) So yah … who is writing the story

[@blaze3884]

If you have watched alot of other channels touting their knowledge of Billy/Brushy, you have noticed none have presented facts as Brett has. Instead they give their opinions and alot of hearsay .

[@tonysoprano7372]

Young guns 3 Alias Billy the Kid coming soon. Emilioooo!

[@Charles53412]

I'm glad you added John Martinez's story ! It's extremely compelling !

[@justinsmith1310]

To me it's the shoulders of both along with the hands and wrists as well that give light to the truth. R.I.P. William H. Bonney

[@Dee_Rod]

The thumbnail to the video had: The Maxwell House.. Must've had great coffee there!

[@someoneunseen5168]

I see what you did there

[@jimmiethomas7194]

It is documented through family history and Ancestry

[@stephanwatson7902]

I keep rewatching these and it makes me think of more points. To people who think they couldn't fake a death back then, people have successfully faked their deaths in the modern world. This is with cameras everywhere and where people commonly have dozens of pictures of themselves, even online. We, for sure, have ONE picture of Billy the Kid, which there was only a couple copies of and at least one copy was with Billy's friend. It was extraordinarily hard to identify people back then, you would need an eyewitness; or one of these very uncommon pictures. There are people in prison for faking their deaths today, it would be way easier back then... If you believe people can fake their death now, but couldn't do it back then, then you don't live in reality

[@scottanderson4587]

Mr. Hall, you have officially become one of a handful of people that I would love to bullshit around the campfire with. Those that are currently still above ground. Billy would be my first pick otherwise. Your diligence and matter of fact approach is greatly appreciated by me, and I'm sure, countless others. Thank you so much for what you have given us.

[@jamesbackus9345]

Brett check out Stoneville Valentine 1884 massacre. The article states Billy McCarthy was there and Garrett was supposed to have killed him in Ft. Sumner in 1881. He must have surived.

[@brushybret]

Thanks, I'll definitely check it out.

[@keepthechange2811]

I just checked it out. They was one of the kids aliases for sure. Weird. McCarthy description is alot like the kid.

[@jamesbackus9345]

I know and Brushy Bill said he was in that area too.

[@Dullahan161]

Do you know any other sources? I've only seen mentions of a "Billy McCarthy" as a member of his gang in the Stoneville shootout

[@Tornado1994]

@@brushybret Garrett was WELL known for telling tall tales. Its astonishing how much his legend was taken for face value. He didn't kill Billy The Kid. He Shot someone else.

[@Cazz8203]

This was incredibly done. I was glued to the speaker from start to finish. But I gotta say this. Every time I hear you say "McKinney"....I keep thinking I'm hearing Cartman say Kenny 😅😅

[@brushybret]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@jasonthompson7520]

This is the best video I’ve watched on Billy. I’ve watched more than my share and yours is the best laid out and informative I’ve ever watched.

[@brushybret]

Thanks!

[@maxlife9721]

For sure Billy was not killed...whether its Brushy or not us a different subject....but listening to this book I believe it is Brushy....

[@Alpha_Q_Up]

I don't believe Garret's story, not to say he didn't shoot Billy but only that he's lying, because he said "i drew my gun". How many cops have their gun holstered when waiting to ambush a fugitive? You have your gun drawn waiting to lock onto your target.

[@christiannareynolds120]

I see there’s a lot of angry people on here that really don’t want to believe the information that you’ve put together. And it almost gets very mean. I see that you’ve clearly put a lot of yourself into this and studied this and if there would be a phd or a professor you could be it. I really enjoyed all of it. And I see a lot of other people did. I was hoping to find more cool information in the comments and found a lot of arguing and negativity and I don’t know why people are so adamant on someone being dead or alive. Truly I’d rather enjoy the magic and even what we can further find out about his active time before his run in at fort sumner. And I hope that you know your information is appreciated and to keep putting positivity out there. Those that want to push against and keep pushing … you don’t have anything to prove and they probably won’t believe you anyway. It’s a negative journey and you have such a cool channel don’t let their crap bring it down. I love it. And I can tell that you haven’t just jumped on and read one book and decided to get on some band wagon. You know you’re shit. I love it. Thank you!

[@christiannareynolds120]

Sorry. I’m not momming you. Lol. Or your channel. Positivity goes so much further than negativity and I just think your video and studies are awesome!

[@brushybret]

@@christiannareynolds120 Thanks for the positive comment, it's truly appreciated, and thank you for watching.

[@SumDumGy]

I never hear anyone mention what ethnicity Pete Maxwell was but, assuming he was a white man, my big question was always this: Why would a white man enter the bedroom of another white man, after midnight, and ask, “¿Quien es?” Even if both were fluent in Spanish, there’s no reason for this to have occurred. Thank you for being the first person I’ve ever seen also raise this question.

[@SP-qo3pd]

Judging by the photos of the Maxwells, they're either half mexican or native. Many natives adopted English surnames. For example, one of the men who raised the flag on Iwo Jima was a native man from the southwest by the name of Ira Hayes. Maybe Navaho or Apache.

[@SumDumGy]

@@SP-qo3pd I’ve never seen any pictures of them, nor heard anyone address their ethnicity. Without context, I always had to include he was a white man with a name like that.

[@Alpha_Q_Up]

​@@SumDumGyThe thing that history overlooks is that 6 months later Paulita Maxwell was married and had a child. There's an image of the son as a teenager and the resemblance to Billy is undeniable. The whole reason Billy was hanging around Fort Sumner was because Paulita was pregnant with his child. Nothing else makes sense especially knowing that Billy knew if caught there'd be no arrest. Billy would have would have entered Pete's room based on the logic he saw him as his "brother in law". I don't think Billy understood how much the Maxwell's wanted him out of Paulita's life

[@SumDumGy]

@@Alpha_Q_Up Didn’t Paulita maintain that she and Billy were never involved though? That’s what I’ve heard and there’s never been any firsthand contradiction to that so far as I’m aware.

[@Alpha_Q_Up]

@@SumDumGy You have to keep in mind the social norms of the time. Would you really expect her to say otherwise when she's just married and allegedly had a premature baby? If you can think of another reason why a man who escaped the hangman's noose by deleting not 1 but 2 law enforcement officials, was literally staying in the same "neighborhood" he was from instead of high tailing it to even another State as Federal Laws were a joke or even old Mexico as he was fluent in Spanish I'm all ears

[@davidmorgan2366]

Billy wasn't stupid he didn't die

[@1pinestreet]

Good presentation. I find your argument for the non-killing of Bill in 1891 to be compelling and though I never gave a lot of thought to it, my understanding of Garrett's lack of personality makes me doubt his story. Given over 50 years to concoct a story presenting an alternative narrative that explains previous testimony, evidence, and written accounts of Billy's death, I'm not inclined to believe the Brushy Bill story.

[@EricSmith-fp4gq]

Brushy Bill was Billy the Kid

[@BrianLamar-es3my]

I don't know about this but they did during the investigation and on all accounts you didn't take it one thing facial features if you look closely at Billy the kid's face he didn't look nothing like the great outlaw

[@brushybret]

I already did a video on this that includes a facial recognition study conducted by two PhD scientists at the University of Texas-Austin that concluded that Roberts and the man in the Dedrick-Upham Tintype were a statistical match. The study used an internationally recognized facial recognition program, that is the same system used by law enforcement and the methods used in the study were peer-reviewed and published in two scientific journals and the results were verified by two independent arbiters. Thanks for watching. kzbin.info/www/bejne/j2muoayHicl1nM0

[@josephmoodie4970]

It makes no sense that a man knowing he’s close to the end of his life would want to be remembered for someone he was not and die a liar . So why would brushy Bill Roberts days before his death try to get exonerated for false crimes of another unless he truly was billy the kid? The kid had to become brushy Bill Roberts so that he could live his life without looking over his shoulder the rest of his day,so it was a necessity of survival to go by another name, or every idiot looking to be the man who shot billy the kid would not be hunting him down. Some idiots think killing an icon whos famous will in turn make them famous and I’m sure Billy the kid aka brushy Bill Roberts would have been thinking the same thing. I think that on his last days he had NOTHNG to lose and the fear of death didn’t matter anymore because of his age so he wanted to go to his maker a clean man and leave behind the truth of his life which was he was not an outlaw but made one by others for personal gain. Everting about garrets story has holes in it. Then you have other people all telling the same story and the only ones not were pat Garrett and company.

[@johnnybratcher9226]

Very good to see you're new episode.

[@johnpierce2095]

so if garret shot the wrong man, does billys partener show up anywhere else after that night, if he doesnt that means he was the one shot, but im sure theres records of him after that night

[@brushybret]

No, he was never seen or mentioned after thar night. A.P. Anaya's great grandson said his horse and belongings were left behind and never claimed. Thanks for watching.

[@jason686361able]

Billy Barlow was the one killed poe said himself you got the wrong guy

[@maxlife9721]

No...the mexican went over and not billy...they asked him did they get the wrong man because they knew

[@notcherbane3218]

None of this makes any sense why would Billy the kid go into a darken bedroom if you suspected somebody was after him this implies that nobody could see who's inside this very small room.

[@annenkleby8951]

Billy the kid was not killed i think. I.dont.know.if Roberts was the Kid.? 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@debravance5428]

Awesome job Brett

[@IcarusLhooq-bc7uq]

This story is unlikely to be true . He does not even look a thing like billy anyway . Bones all worng . Billy had thick facial bones this guy... Still. Unless you were there ... ??? Fun story either way. The ubiquitous" they" ...

[@brushybret]

I already did a video discussing this, which includes a facial recognition study conducted by two PhD Scientists at the University of Texas-Austin, which concluded that Roberts and Billy the Kid were a statistical match. The study used the same facial recognition program used by various law enforcement agencies throughout the world. Furthermore, the methods used in the study were peer-reviewed and published in two scientific journals. The results of the study were further confirmed by two independent arbiters. Here is a link to the video, thanks for watching. kzbin.info/www/bejne/j2muoayHicl1nM0.

[@IcarusLhooq-bc7uq]

@@brushybret love to believe that off to reaearch that site tx

[@rodneyaragon]

What a fantastic job Brett! Your work is impeccably brilliant as usual...! So much fascinating information digest over and over.

[@KeithKucera]

Notice that there is a lot of alibi talk in case they get caught shooting a different person , and everyone keeps the secret cause murder or accessory to murder has no limitation in law or reputation

[@southernafricanboy4148]

What does bare headed mean used to describe the man who got shot? How would one darken their skin like a mexican back in those day? Fake tan didn't exist as far as i know My South African ears enjoyed the story a lot Thanks

[@user-qh9cz5xo7jkeithkucera]

Hey Brett I found another photo of brushy bill 1893 Johnson county war W.E. Guthrie and in the same photo are both Garretts nephews

[@brushybret]

I'll be in touch. Would you be willing to do a phone interview to discuss the pics?

[@user-qh9cz5xo7jkeithkucera]

@@brushybret yes

[@user-qh9cz5xo7jkeithkucera]

First of all , sederwall , graves and Sullivan proved brushy's story correct and Garretts to be false on the jail escape , how did Roberts know judge Parker's words when they were not published until 1974 and brushy's were published in 1955 and no way would poe go to white oaks to pay an old drunk bum 1 dollar for info , when the mc sween widow lived in white oaks she had money and lots of it that's why poe was in white oaks to collect a pay off . Cause Garrett knew where the kid was the whole time , him and the kid were family and worked together for many years after 1881 the kid took on the name bill carr and helped Garrett with the fountain murder investigation in 1896 and there is more .

[@bethbartlett5692]

DNA Confirmed that Billy the Kid actually lived until he died of Natural Causes in his late 70's or early 80's. He made an effort to reveal the truth, but wasn't believed. He literally lived h8s life, God Bless him. That had to take some restraint for a young man with reasons to retaliate. Garrett must have made arrangements with Billy to make his story stick. He wasn't the turncoat everyone thought he was. DNA is a valuable tool to validate or invalidate a vast number of History subjects. Beth Bartlett Sociologist/Behavioralist and Historian

[@Tornado1994]

Brushy died in 1950 at the Age of 90.

[@samuraisteve2775]

How is it possible there are no records of this DNA test you claim exists. To do a test, you need a sample to compare it to that is verified or have a sample of a close relative. Neither of which we have. Who did this test, or I am calling you out as making this up and wrong. If you can provide documentation, I’ll follow up this post with one stating you are correct. That will never happen.

[@nickg9340]

Congrats Brett on nearly 90 thousand views! I hope you get more subs, your channel is underrated. Your content is documentary worthy.

[@brushybret]

Appreciate that.

[@PaulDKidd]

@@brushybret My dad was born in 1916 if I remember right. He said that an old man who had been a cowboy out west moved near by where he lived in Kentucky. He said the old cowboy would tell him and other children about life in the old west. He said that Billy The Kid was not killed by Pat Garrett that Pat had killed the wrong man. This was many years before internet or you tube. The old cowboy was supposed to have known Billy and talked to him after Pat was supposed to have killed Billy.

[@brushybret]

@@PaulDKidd Thanks for sharing, and thanks for watching.

[@bethbartlett5692]

238K now!

[@user-qh9cz5xo7jkeithkucera]

Yah Brett you are a keen story teller and you have great skill and I like those true tales of billy and the different points of view keep up the good work

[@jason686361able]

R.I.P Brushy aka The Kid

[@BetterDaysAhead-zj6xu]

Awesome Brett! Thanks for doing this video- you do great work 👍🏻

[@sharonw2475]

I don't know who was killed the night of July 14 but I do know that Garrett met his fate much the same way as that person (?) Garrett ambushed that fateful night in 1881. He was bushwacked by his two travelling companions sometime after 1905, just on the outskirts of Las Cruces NM, and since there were no witnesses the jury believed the self defense claim and the men were found not guilty of murder and set free.

[@user-qh9cz5xo7jkeithkucera]

Eleven days and a wake up and I'm going back to new mexico , I'm retired so research is a good hobby for me

[@janetsaunders5177]

As many outlaws as there were that ender up displayed in Cedar Boxes in front of town folk, you'd think that Billy the Kid the most wanted outlaw ever, would definitely be displayed for the town folk to see. Too many questions to be coincidental. Definitely Brushy Bills story adds up.

[@maxlife9721]

garrets account is BS...he didnt kill him

[@brianhall1129]

As good as it be for garret to make a show of the killing and a photo he didnt instead he kept the investigation quiet not once but for all three doesnt anyone find this extremely odd like a downplay cause he shot the wrong guy ????

[@user-qh9cz5xo7jkeithkucera]

I think the kid and Barlow were at the dance with celsia and deluvina and when they came back the kid and Barlow put up the horses in the barn and the ladies were first to silvas he told celcia of Garrett in which she told the kid and the ladies went to celsias while the kid and Barlow went to silvas door for food and concealment , the reason celcia showed up at the same time as deluvina at 3 o'clock in the morning

[@user-qh9cz5xo7jkeithkucera]

They probably went to maxwells when they heard the news and celcia checked the barn and saw both horses knowing the kid must still be nearby.

[@joycerutter8221]

Pat Garrett Billy was friends he not going to kill him

[@MistaKnifeguy]

This is such an amazing and well researched piece, thank you for your dedication!

[@PeterDelorey-s4l]

It definitely was the wrong man how many times did the Law cover up mistakes in the past lol.

[@Mark-fr8il]

Thank you Brett Hall. Ive been convinced of Brushy the kid for a while now, but love the history of all this. Amazing research!

[@BlueBird-vi8vo]

Are there descendents of Brushy Bill, and descendents of BTK's brother, Josie, that can be compared for matching DNA?

[@chrismcmaster5964]

All these people claiming Brushy wanted fame and fortune to be known as Billy the kid are completely wrong, i personally had never heard of Brushy until 1990 when young guns two came out. As far as i know Brushy never made any money from his claims. He obviously wasn't that famous either as it was 1990 before I had heard of him.

[@Dullahan161]

He didn't want to tell his story until Morris claimed he could be charged with murder if he didn't seek a pardon

[@Tornado1994]

@@Dullahan161 Brushy Bill in 1949 flat out DENIED that he was Billy The Kid, until Morrison told him, that he was trying to get him pardoned by the Governor of New Mexico for the 1879 Lincoln County Robbery and murder of a Sheriff. When Brushy took off his Shirt, it revealed multiple scars and bullet hole fragments. Brushy then told Morrison that "Yes. I Am..Billy The Kid. I don't want my Wife to know. Its my Youthful Past and I'm ashamed of it. All I want is to clear my name". As if Brushy was Confessing.

[@wgm6]

Since the late 90s or early 2000s I thought Brushy couldn't be Billy. I think Brushy and Billy are the same person.

[@luismiranda1985]

I’ve been following and listening over and over to your video/docu series, great work far more detail than the neo-historians that just seem to go along with Garret’s and Poe’s report no death certificate the fact that two yrs. later NM was still issuing arrest warrants and the two distinct descriptions of the man killed that night at Maxwell’s cannot be overlooked.

[@brushybret]

Thanks for watching!

[@lburnstein196]

Dagnabbit bret im on the fence again

[@ritamarie4453]

Billy the Kid, and Jessie James lived on. I believe both of these stories. The last eldely photo of Jessie James was spot on. I used to look at the Death Photo of James in our History Museum, St Louis, and though it didn't look atal like earlier photos .I was ignorant of Brushy Bill Robert's until this night. I always felt Billy was judged wrong by History. They didn't call it a" War" for no reason. Great research...

[@ritamarie4453]

The early 30s movie was my favorite, and shows much of the violence that started Lincoln County War. Yes, it's an old flick ...but very cool. Being an elder ..I loved how it ended. I've been a Fine Art researcher for almost 40yrs. This is so exacting. I wanna know whom killed Pat Garrett? Another mystery just waiting for a thorough investigator, such as yourself. Thanku.

[@albutler9989]

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[@bethbartlett5692]

☕ Theres a Hotel in Nashville, "Maxwell House" its History includes: "the Coffee", and "Minnesota Fats lived there". Interesting, it's next to the Hyatt (may have changed Corp owners) and across from the Legislative Plaza, Downtown Nashville. I use to lunch there when I was a Lobbyist. (Child and Family Health and Needs) Tennessee USA PS: DNA proved Billly lived a full life. All else are "Tales/Stories" I watched a Documentary that put the subject to rest. DNA proved Brushy Bill to be Billy.

[@SerialAnkleBiter]

What documentary?

[@the_patriot7]

I want to ask you a simple question : if he is the real Billy the kid why he have a different last name ? and why he was born in a different city and was in other places ???

[@brushybret]

I will be covering this in a future video on his genealogy. I will say this for now, though, there is no actual evidence that Billy the Kid was born in New York and no evidence that his name was McCarty. Most of the Kid's purported genealogy was simply made up by Pat Garrett's friend and ghostwriter, Ash Upson.

[@patriciawilliamson686]

I believe that Billy Brushy was Billie the Kid. He knew many facts concerning Billy the Kid that was proved correct.

[@alexsegurasr3028]

If that was not Billy than who was it. But I can say Robert' is not Billy. Why would he move 800 miles away to hicp where they have no history. While ft sumner is rich in history someone always trying to steal

[@brushybret]

Several of the former Lincoln County War participants moved to Texas in their later years, like Doc Scurlock, Jim McDaniel, Jessie Evans, etc.etc.

[@charleskirby3969]

Why didn't a DNA be taken from Billy's moms grave in silver city and compared it to Robert's dna...

[@brushybret]

This was tried in the early 2000s, by two former Lincoln County Deputy Sheriffs. However, the powers that be in New Mexico fought this every step of the way by filing a series of lawsuits and legal motions. The plan was to exhume the body of Catherine Antrim in Silver City, the body in Ft. Sumner, Brushy Bill Roberts, and John Miller. Joe Antrim's body was donated to science upon his death, so he's not an option for obtaining DNA. This is all detailed in the books, The Dirty on Billy the Kid by Steven Sederwall and Billy the Kid: Cold Case - Investigating History's Mysteries by W.C. Jameson.

[@robstanton9215]

Well done Brett!! Very compelling information. There is so much evidence supporting Brushy Bill along with plain common sense, it’s really hard to dismiss and blindly accept the popular so called recorded history. What did William Henry Roberts have to gain by spinning a yarn like this? How could an old man possibly commit all of these supported details to memory had he not lived them. My Mom is 83 and doesn’t remember what she had for supper yesterday but she can recall in great detail things that happened in her youth.

[@brushybret]

Thanks for watching.

[@robertporteus7700]

Heard a lot of info. that Garett may or may not have killed Billy the Kid but no info. that Brushy Bill Roberts is possibly the Kid.

[@jimmiethomas7194]

Great job Brett. Thanks for your diligence in this matter. The truth always comes out and prevails.

[@brushybret]

I appreciate that!

[@foetaltreborus2017]

I find it amazing that SO many staples of history are when looked at in depth crumble ...very interesting vid ..

[@brushybret]

I agree! Thanks for watching.

[@MrPAULONEAL]

Brushy Bill wasn't Billy the kid. Whether or not BIlly faked his death is irrellevant...

[@brushybret]

What specifically makes you think that?

[@MrPAULONEAL]

@@brushybret The date that he claims was Billy the kid's birthdate was made up by the writer of a book. Nobody knows when Billy the kid was actually born.

[@brushybret]

@@MrPAULONEAL Roberts didn't use the same birthday that Ash Upson claimed in the Garrett book. Roberts claimed he was born on December 31, 1859.

[@PeterDelorey-s4l]

No Bill didn't fake his death Pat did 😳

[@blom6566]

@@brushybret And henry mccarty/billy the kid was baptized on september 17th 1859???

[@MistyGilmore-v2o]

The most amazing thing to me if Billy wasn't shot by pat is that he managed to stay out of public eye for all thous years

[@plantationowner64]

There is no way that Garrett wouldn’t make sure he was photographed gloating next to his corpse. Every other “gunfighter/outlaw” who was killed was used as photo op.

[@oldchunkofcoal2774]

Well, that's just not true. Especially in Fort Sumner Nm in 1881...

[@markteaney8381]

I agree with that Garrett would have had a photo taken with his ego and you would have seen that photo in his book did not happen. This is a record of a photographer in the town. 😮

[@samuraisteve2775]

So now I want you to go back to the 1880’s in Fort Sumner and find a camera anywhere ding a ling.🤯🫵🏻

[@samuraisteve2775]

@@markteaney8381Go back to the 1880’s and find a camera handy anywhere. They were using candles ding dong.🤯🫵🏻😂

[@nathenerickson7541]

Ive read a couple of these books and am truly convinced he wasnt shot that night. Loves the video and will definitely be checking out more!

[@claudegallant4799]

He sure doesn't look anything like the Billy the kid tin type

[@brushybret]

I discuss this in my video on physical similarities between Roberts and the Kid and discuss the facial recognition study conducted by two PhD scientists at the University of Texas-Austin which concluded that Roberts and the man in the tintype were a statistical match. The study used an internationally recognized facial recognition program. The same system used by law enforcement agencies all over the world. Furthermore, the methods used were peer-reviewed and published in two separate scientific papers and the results were confirmed by two independent arbiters. Here is a link to my video, thanks for watching. kzbin.info/www/bejne/j2muoayHicl1nM0

[@budinfield9746]

Brett, I love your logic and appreciate the research you do.

[@MikeGalloway-j5n]

Pat Garrett says the Kid had a pistol in one hand , and butcher knife in the other. yet Garrett ( who was holstered) was able to stand and draw and get the drop on Billy the Kid? I call BS on that " TALE"

[@platzest1329]

What a fantastic example of investigative journalism! I hope you're a consultant on the new young guns III movie! This story needs to be told!!

[@brushybret]

Thanks for watching.

[@frankgormley1296]

Fantastic ❤❤ very very interesting.

[@brushybret]

Many thanks

[@user-qh9cz5xo7jkeithkucera]

It's an 1889 photo verified by time life books he's got a question mark on his chest but it's backward , w.h. carr alias w.h. Evans alias William Henry roberts alias billy , well you know this is proof

[@tiffanyprichard2197]

I never thought Billy met the end with Pat Garrett, I never believed Garrett, he wanted the money he didn’t care about the money. I do wish Billy had of been free he was just a young boy surrounded by powerful cruel men for the love of power. I’m sure he would be shocked to know people study and grieve for him. Certainly had I been born in time I would have found my way to pay respects to him and the life he made for himself. I stand with Billy Kindest regards kid that grew up loving Billy the Kid

[@davidswanson5436]

The museum in Ft. Sumner is owned by Garret family members. They swear billy was killed that day. And you can buy a postcard.