#33 King Air C90 GTX Review - Last Stand for the 90 Series.

[@himankjoshi6233]

love the vid Rich...! Been waiting awhile for this one. Love watching you operating collins proline fusion avionics. Thanks for sharing

[@FlyingwithRich]

Thank you for your patience! Hope it was worth the wait!

[@wadesaleeby2172]

One brisk morning in November, I had the pleasure to fly in the right seat of a King Air C 90 from Whiskey 03(Wilson, NC) to Miami, Florida. We were out 30 miles off the coast of Myrtle Beach, South Carolina at 18,000'. A Lear Jet pulled up beside us off the right wing. We had a conversation with them and I could see the man and woman in the back....her long ear rings were sparkling in the sunshine! We said goodbye as the Lear pulled away. Coming in over Miami I recall all the swimming pools and one shaped like a guitar! When I opened the door the 88 degree temperature and humidity hit me! 😍 I bought a small orange tree plant with a few oranges on it to take back home! 😊 Always a fun time flying with The King! 😍😗🤗

[@jbenthere627]

I was a lineman for the Beech Aero Club (part of Beechcraft West) @VNY from 79-82. We had a beautiful B90 for charters. All steam gauges at that time. I would always spend as much time as I could "cleaning" out the interior so I could sit in the left seat and cater to my inner child. I was lucky enough to be able to ride along on post-maintenance flights. The only downside was that the pilot wouldn't run the AC because it ran up the Hobbs. The price of admission for me was that I had to wash the beast before every charter flight. It was worth every hour I spent doing "lineman" stuff to make her look pretty! Great Video. I'm glad I found your channel!!!

[@FlyingwithRich]

Thanks for the message! Hope you enjoy the videos!

[@paulmorrisette1581]

Can’t say how many times I’ve watched this. It’s special, thanks Rich.

[@FlyingwithRich]

Thanks!

[@prestonmiller9552]

King Air has always been a favorite of mine in the Twin Turbo Market. Thanks for sharing. Funny how Collins has almost become a forgotten name in avionics when a few years ago they were practically standard equipment. Touch Screen is a nice touch. (pardon the Pun)

[@airlogic]

Royal Flying Doctors here in Australia have flown the King Air for over 40 years now, Sadly they will phase them out and replace with the Pilatus 24. They are a work horse and served the outback communities flawlessly. Thanks for the Ride Rich. Fantastic aircraft.

[@specforged5651]

I flew the King Airs as well for several years before being switched out with Phenom 300’s. Like you I have a special place in my heart for these great airplanes, but I don’t think you will be too sad about it for long haha.

[@FlyingwithRich]

Thanks for watching and your comments!

[@rshep198]

I believe they’re staying with the King Air in the Eastern states. Queensland is currently waiting on delivery of a new 360 after fit out.

[@texanpilot8264]

Rich, keep the videos coming! I have been binge watching your twin-engine aircraft videos this weekend. Yes, I am drooling a little.

[@FlyingwithRich]

Glad you like them! Thank you!

[@galas455]

Thanks, Rich, I always enjoy flying with you.

[@FlyingwithRich]

Thanks for watching!!

[@dennisfritz1868]

Rich, thanks to you and your team for sharing these wonderful aviation videos, especially the ones about the King Air. I'm starting with my private pilot licence soon and dreaming of this aircraft is one reason for it. Probably it will be for always a dream to own one but maybe I got the chance to fly one someday. Always a pleasant flight, Aviator. From Germany - Dennis

[@FlyingwithRich]

Thanks for the message! I hope you get into a KA soon!

[@rael5469]

The King Air C90 is a beautiful, beautiful aircraft.

[@bnelson313braveheart]

Nice plane and thanks for taking us along.

[@FlyingwithRich]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@truckerman8301]

Great video as always Rich! Thanks for posting for all to view.

[@FlyingwithRich]

Thank you!

[@jerplane400]

Another great video! I like the reviews of all the different aircraft you fly. Great landing by the way! Thanks Rich.

[@FlyingwithRich]

Thank you!

[@Parr4theCourse]

I didn't know he Collins avionics was touch screen, pretty cool . . .

[@terrytomlinson8772]

An F90 fan that's been looking forward to the GTX review plus Fusion comments - thanks

[@easternwoods4378]

The C90 has always been my target. It's not as fast as a jet but gets a lot closer to where I want to go so the door to door time is less. I want a twin for long distances over water. The north Atlantic is mighty cold. I want a cabin class to fly over the weather and at my age a lavatory is a must. Great for business travel and four passengers is a foursome of golf for the weekend. All i need and want

[@FlyingwithRich]

Sounds like you have done your research - great choice! Thanks for watching.

[@ericfoerster2009]

Total awesome plane! Love this version for sure.

[@MattMorris481]

I have friend that had a C90GTX he kept it for a little and just didn’t like the Collins fusion System so he sold it and found a low time C90GT with the proline II had it all pulled and had the Garmin G1000 installed paint, interior and the Blackhawk upgrade. Not something I would’ve done but I guess when you have more money than you know what to do with, I personally don’t have that problem. Great Video!

[@nightflight6877]

Awesome as always! That cockpit looks so sweet at night.

[@spiro5327]

Great looking cabin and cockpit. The Royal Flying Doctors in Aus use the 350 and 200 in remote and rural parts of the country. The Pilatus PC-12 and PC-24 are also used. Would be great to see a vid on the PC-24 if you ever come across one. Thanks Rich

[@FlyingwithRich]

Would love to fly that airplane sometime - will definitely make a video if that happens! Thanks for watching!

[@marc.wrutgers6704]

Another great Video Rick ! Thanks

[@FlyingwithRich]

Thank you!

[@scotty11782]

Thanks Rich

[@yhird]

Awesome video Rich. Beautiful plane, gorgeous cockpit. Thanks for sharing the video.

[@FlyingwithRich]

Thank you!

[@rael5469]

2:48 You get an A++ for steering to use ....every .....single .....inch of that runway length. Because....."Runway behind you is wasted runway."

[@FlyingwithRich]

I was hoping someone would catch some details like that! Thanks for watching!

[@rubiconbaron9662]

I can tell you from personal experience. That shoulder harness is 100% less effective in that position.

[@gibbsm]

I flew in a 350i once, and man was it a nice plane, I loved it.

[@sydneyaerospotter5856]

Great video! In Australia I’ve only seen the one king air 90. I usually see the 200 and 300 series. The RFDS has ordered a few of the new 360s so I’m keen to see them one day here downunder! A few months ago I saw the only 100 series it sounds different from the others.

[@FlyingwithRich]

B100 with Garrett engines?

[@sydneyaerospotter5856]

@@FlyingwithRich Yeah Garrett engines

[@rp4186]

There are 2 versions of the 100. One has Pratt and Whitney‘s the other has Garrett’s, that’s why it sounds different.

[@bernardanderson3758]

Good to see you flying and I’m in ready to go

[@LMays-cu2hp]

Looking very nice. Enjoy seeing the world.

[@andreasbacher2695]

Best private GA aircraft ever built.

[@j.t.cooper2963]

Sweet King Air.

[@josh885]

I think a thing to consider about the end of the C90 is that even the piston twin is a dying breed in GA. Due to the training for them bring so poor for so long and pilots not doing any recurrent training on the engine out emergency procedures for them, they got a bad and undeserved rap as being unsafe or even less safe than single. So now many pilots are afraid of them, and getting insurance for one, well good luck affording it without at least 1000 recent hours in a multiengine already. Which of course carries over to the King Airs in a big way. Flying the single turboprop like a PC-12, TBM, M350, ect is not only simpler due to the full FADEC engines and less scary, it is also way cheaper just on the insurance and due to not have to get a multiengine rating. Plus those single turboprops are fast and look sexy, almost like WWII fighter. Even the cockpit is sleek and sexy vs a King Air. The cockpit of a King Air looks super intimidating and frankly outdated to a GA pilot coming from a single even modren gamin equipped light twin. Especially when they then look at the Cockpit in a TBM or PC-12 in comparison. Just look at pics and you'll see what I mean. Combine that with the excellent safety record planes like the PC-12 have and the smaller, more geared toward owner pilot C90 series simply stopped having much appeal to most GA pilots who can afford to step up to a turbine aircraft. So it's mostly business users and charter operations who will be buying King Airs at this point. And they likely want the bigger 200 and 300 series planes more.

[@jpdunamislodge]

I only got to see pictures of all of that glass in magazines with the exception of that 3 tube Proline 21 in the 350. All steam gauges in my F90 time. I had always wish for bigger fuel tanks, wing lockers, and winglets on the 90’s. Nice airplane. I could get used to all of the glass.

[@FlyingwithRich]

Yeah the glass makes it quite a bit more approachable actually. Much better situational awareness. Happy Holidays!

[@jpdunamislodge]

@@FlyingwithRich 😂😂😂. More Situational Awareness? If you can fly on steam gauges and follow needles pointing to radio wave transmitters that point to and away from things I’d say that your operating at a much higher level of situational awareness.

[@IHaulBoxes]

You haven't compared a PC-12 to the King Air series have you? I'm very much looking forward to whenever that comes up! Great work.

[@FlyingwithRich]

We have not, but now have a PC-12 close to us so we will work on that. Thanks for watching!

[@N5MC]

Nice video. Why no shoulder harness for takeoff? Noticed you then put it on for cruise. Maybe missed it on the CL?

[@saschamenesi4865]

Great video Rich. Nice plane👍

[@ronconrad3507]

Another lesson from Rich Great Vid. You will sell that hotrod fast Rich. Lots of muscle in that ship

[@FlyingwithRich]

This one not for sale!

[@seapilot4042]

Livin large, some people dream of flying a GTX, others, well, they take the yoke and make it happen. A small learning curve from garmin to collins and we're good to go. Cheers

[@iancoffee13]

Great Video!

[@caca121112]

Like numer 1. great video and tks for sharing. If possible, would like to see a PC-12 NG review.

[@aaronboulais4498]

Or a PC-12NGX will work too 😛

[@wadesaleeby2172]

Kinda hard to adjust the small screen settings in turbulence isn't it? 😮

[@kevinemma1714]

Awesome video. Thanks for sharing. How do the C90s compare to the Platus PC12s?

[@paulmorrisette1581]

Outstanding!!!!!!

[@krismetz9163]

Awesome vid!! Thanks for sharing!!

[@FlyingwithRich]

Thanks for watching!!

[@donaldholman9070]

Great plane and great video! Thank you

[@craigbovenizer9335]

If I may comment, I was a professional pilot and IP for over 40 years, your videos are very nice, perhaps you might take 15 secs per video to show that you are using a checklist, especially your departure briefing and engine failure on departing. New pilots especially and the owners and insurance companies will applaud you.

[@FlyingwithRich]

Thanks for the message. I have shown checklist use and take-off briefs on videos. I did a video on checklist use. I think there is more to checklist use/take-off briefs than a 15 seconds just to show I use checklists or do a brief. These videos are more to highlight the airplanes than my flying. I realize they go together in some ways, but I think for now I prefer to stick to showcasing the airplanes. Thanks again for watching/commenting!

[@bernardanderson3758]

I’m looking for that right seat camera job Rich

[@michaelkim3432]

Such a classic airplane! But really hard to argue for it when there are nearly equally capable single-engine alternatives like Pilatus, Epic, Piper, etc.

[@johnrichards3773]

until you have engine trouble. enjoy your flying

[@austinjohnson6803]

I dont know if I would compare a Piper to a Pilatus or a King Air. Definitely different planes

[@quattro4468]

Those are piston tho.

[@michaelkim3432]

@@quattro4468 All single-engine turboprop: Pilatus PC-12NGX, Epic E1000 GX & Piper M500

[@calvinnickel9995]

@ John Richards Which is more than twice as likely to happen in a twin. (particularly since single PT6s have an alternate FCU). It’s within the realm of possibility to have BOTH your engines fail on a twin (fuel exhaustion, fuel contamination/icing, volcanic ash, incorrect maintenance done on both engines, shutting down the wrong engine, bird strikes/FOD, etc). The King Air 90 unlike it’s larger brother the 350 has no guarantees of single engine performance. There’s no V1…. no segmented climb or net takeoff flight path. No requirement that it even has to climb after an engine failure (though it will in most cases unlike lots of piston singles). But lose an engine on takeoff or shortly after and even an experienced pilot is going to have his hands full. A private pilot with 500-1000 hours and 100 hours a year is going to be fighting for his life. Even the 350 we’ve seen too commonly roll into the ground after an engine failure. PC-12, TBM, Meridian. Etc. all you have to do is glide it to the ground, and you’ll probably survive in anything except the most extreme of terrain. They are by far the better choice for most single pilot owner flown pressurized turbine aircraft. I’m pretty sure that the PC-12 still doesn’t have a single fatality related to engine failure in its record, while the King Air………

[@lawrenceralph7481]

My Lord, that instrument panel looks intimidating.

[@dieselyeti]

No shoulder harness on takeoff? I flew the Pilatus & Caravan for a 135 years ago, but always liked the King Air.

[@ddelv1601]

I think you missed the cabin demensions as a factor in the King Air 90 being phased out. The King Air cabins are small compared to PC-12 and the upcoming Denali. If you are just flying yourself around, the TBM is probably a better option, but if you are moving people. The PC-12 is going to be way more comfortable. My bet is that the King Air 260 gets discontinued as soon as the Denali is certified. I really can't see a good reason for the 260 to exist in a world with the 360 and PC-12.

[@roywallace3242]

Good job, thank you.

[@FlyingwithRich]

Thanks for watching!

[@seannesbitt2250]

Would enjoy seeing you do a flight on the TBM 940 and how it compares to the C90

[@FlyingwithRich]

Hopefully! I'd love to make a comparison video!

[@georges4562]

Beautiful airplane

[@michaelbaldridge3637]

That’s a really nice plane!!!!!

[@GT47179]

King Air is the King

[@bernardanderson3758]

Rich that is the aircraft of my choice the Beechcraft GTX

[@FlyingwithRich]

Good choice!

[@vincepiazza7582]

your the real deal

[@PJHEATERMAN]

We currently provide the S-100 series Janitrol heater for the 90 series. It can be problematic like any Kerosene burning heater. Aircraft Heating inc if you haven't heard of us.

[@CCitis]

Perfect size personal airplane

[@RelativeWind]

@12:11 Rich is cool under cabin pressure

[@rumor29]

Is that finger touch screen really trustable when it comes to select route, AWY, fixes, etc when in turbulence??? Looks like it is giving troubles even on ground!.

[@FlyingwithRich]

Good thing is that you don't have to use the touchscreen. There is a keyboard.

[@rumor29]

@@FlyingwithRich Good video and channel Thumbs up Regds.

[@FlyingwithRich]

Thank you.

[@Ford886]

how come you not wearing shoulder harness but your sic is wearing one on takeoff?

[@solangetieppo6638]

❤️

[@healthadvice3091]

Is it noisy without headset ?

[@juancamilobalaguera169]

King C90 the best Aircraft

[@keithsnow6085]

Did the pilot run a check list??

[@FlyingwithRich]

Yes..

[@beachbum1523]

The Pilatus PC-12 series pretty much rendered the KA-90 series obsolete. They are magnificent anachronisms. 🙁🙁

[@FlightSimDude]

👍

[@FlyingwithRich]

👍🏼

[@FlightSimDude]

​@@FlyingwithRich I missed the two King Air videos when they first came out. They popped up on my videos to watch yesterday so I watched them one after another. 👍

[@n229dh6]

Fusion doesn't have flight stream?

[@FlyingwithRich]

It does not.

[@HugAviation]

Hey Rich what’s your opinion on Collins Proline fusion vs G3000/5000 in terms of features or things you think work better on any one of them?

[@FlyingwithRich]

I have a lot of Garmin experience - Fusion is different for me so that probably makes me biased toward Garmin. I know Collins guys that prefer Collins over Garmin. I think they are both great avionics packages, with lots of capability. I think Garmin does a better job of getting weather and airport information to pilots, building flight plans, etc. Collins has many ways to do almost every task which can be good and bad from my perspective. I think Collins biggest problem is that most new pilot for the past 15 years have Garmin experience so really gives them a heavy advantage as pilot move into higher performance aircraft. Thanks for watching!

[@HugAviation]

@@FlyingwithRich Hey thanks Rich, hope to see you at the ACCA’s and loving the channel!

[@bernardanderson3758]

The 4 black Mac Props make this one with the winglets a faster model

[@GT47179]

Wow.........

[@johnfitzpatrick2469]

G,day Rich from (Quarantine house lockdown) Sydney Australia. * Do you have a spec sheet for that King air. (Airworthiness history and sticker price)? 🛸👽

[@carlhopkinson]

By peering over sunglasses manuevers could tell you were having trouble orienting on that black instrumentation panel.

[@FlyingwithRich]

Not really that, more that looking thru windscreen was sun and looking at panel was not so looking over the sunglasses. My reading vision isn’t as good as it used to be either. The Fusion is very well done as far as visibility, and I’m more accustomed to Garmin.

[@eglide73]

Is the C90 cockpit noisier or quieter than the M2 cockpit?

[@FlyingwithRich]

Louder but not not bad at all.

[@dominickatx478]

So bummed that they quit making these… always dreamed about being able to buy a new one at some point

[@FlyingwithRich]

Yeah. I was born in the wrong era - wish I was 30 in 1977 when Cessna was pumping out 12-15K piston airplanes a year!

[@dominickatx478]

@@FlyingwithRich I fly a 1977 Cardinal RG for work. Great bird

[@donizetesilva1088]

Donizete Braganca pt SP Brasil ✈✈✈✈✈✈

[@jlalbee]

Looks like Textron is going to slide the Denali in to replace the C90.

[@FlyingwithRich]

Yeah that’s what it seems - they haven’t been talking about it much recently until the Beechcraft solution.

[@bernardanderson3758]

The Beechcraft B-58 is another aircraft that The factory has stopped in production also

[@Alex-us2vw]

Well yeah the b model has long since been superseded. It’s been the G58 for years now in production

[@vincentfuria7301]

It would be nice to be a real pilot but unfortunately, past military injuries prevent that. However, I do virtual flying in FSX, P3Dv4.5 and, MSFS2020. This is my favorite aircraft to fly in FSX and P3Dv4.5 by Caranado. I prefer the Collins ProLine 21 over Garmin myself. It would be nice if I could upgrade my Caranado Aircraft to ProLine Fusion. I do have the 350i which is nice to fly, but I still prefer the C-90 GTx. Great Video and new sub.

[@FlyingwithRich]

Thanks!

[@ljthirtyfiver]

I will hopefully buy one when I retire one day . It’s a must

[@FlyingwithRich]

Hopefully I can help you out then!

[@pushthebutton4602]

IT sounds so damm laud the cabin. Is it like that all the time? Don't they make them soundprof?

[@jahns6980]

There was an old TV show called Sky King

[@FlightSimDude]

👍👍👍👍👍

[@kevinwiltshire2217]

Looks like all engine

[@sebastianlangle5967]

Turbo proop?

[@FlyingwithRich]

Correct.

[@bermudarun3903]

RIch is good. He can pretty much fly anything

[@FlyingwithRich]

Almost anything ;)

[@mytubehkjt]

Touchscreens in aircraft are a PITA.

[@MAGApepe]

ya that software does seem a bit goofy

[@FlyingwithRich]

It’s not too bad - everyone just used to Garmin and it’s different. Honestly, I like it. Thanks for watching!

[@MAGApepe]

@@FlyingwithRich ya its looks close to what the pc 24 has in it

[@FlyingNDriving]

I don't like the proline fusion touch that I fly on the challenger. It's so janky and doesn't even have performance plus yet. A total rush job

[@FlyingwithRich]

Thank you for your input! I don't have too much experience with it just yet.

[@robertd4468]

If I had the money, and I don’t, I’d rather take the slower more fuel thirsty King Air over a the obvious hot rods TBM or Pilatus. I got to fly as an unofficial first officer on one. I couldn’t log the hours as I don’t have the ratings for it anyway. I got to hand fly it and it may be an older design but it’s so well built and so robust. I loved the few minutes that I got to fly it.

[@FlyingwithRich]

Thanks for the message. I agree!

[@alexanderordinary2110]

yup, if I had that kinda coin, would go with the honda jet, no brainer

[@FlyingwithRich]

I don’t know - something about a King Air that a jet does not satisfy.

[@alexanderordinary2110]

@@FlyingwithRich hmmm... interesting.... must be the "buzz" of those engines...

[@tonylam9548]

It took more than a decade of incremental improvements to make the King Air a best seller. Hopefully, some of these long term mentality will rub off on to Cessna and they will dump some of the corporate short term mentality, which ended up with products like the Corvalis. The King Air lost a lot of sales because of the proven reliability of turbines, With planes (PC12) competing with them that are essentially identical in payload and performance, except with one less engine to maintain. I wonder if the military are using the King Airs for observation etc where they need loitering time, have they tried the same trick they did with the Orion or C130, shut half the engine down except for take off and landing.

[@FlyingwithRich]

Good points. I know the military uses King Air’s. I think they are c-12’s. Thanks for watching!

[@samvelsimonyan7375]

❤❤❤Excellent !!!

[@preciousadesina3407]

Hi there, I'm a journalist at The Telegraph in London writing an article on high-end fly in communities/air parks. I'd love to chat to you or someone who lives in one of these communities or is an expert on it. Is this something you could help with? Thanks, Precious Adesina

[@MrSuzuki1187]

The single engine turboprop, such as the Pilatus PC-12NG I fly professionally, proved you not longer need that second engine.

[@kenlu993]

2018 wow smells like a new car...I mean plane...

[@mikemc330]

Ha! It sucks having to swap out between sunglasses and cheaters. I know… Lol.

[@FlyingwithRich]

Really sucks.

[@Assassin1959]

No seatbelt while taking off… not smart my friend.