357 Sig vs 9mm vs 357 Mag: Can't Believe The Results

[@Wayne-gg4wt]

For all you who love 357 sig. Top gun ammo is selling speer lawman 125 gr 357sig 50 round box for 23.99 and shipping isn't bad at all

[@BillMcGirr]

I was routinely buying Speer bullets for $18 per 100 on the lawman and $20 per hundred for the gold dot at Midway. It’s been a while since I’ve bought any as I stocked up at those prices. I have probably 2500 pieces of 357 sig brass. It makes reloading this caliber very cost effective.👍🥃

[@Balticblue93]

Free shipping at Top Gun if you buy more than $199. Who orders ammo and doesn't spend more than $200 for free shipping? Otherwise, it is $12.99. I ordered plenty of the 357 Sig, but Velocity has the same price and free shipping too.

[@vincentlavallee2779]

@@BillMcGirr That must have been pre-COVID. All ammo went up 2-4 times soon after COVID caused labor shortages. It has been only recent that ammo has come down, and only a few calibers cam back down to pre-COIVID prices. The 9mm was one of these, probably because the US military buys it, as well as the 9mm semi auto handgun's popularity.. I have bulilt a very large ballistics file which lists 35 handgun and 25 rile calibers, with a total of over 3,500 entries. Each entry has a link to the site that sells that ammo, as well as contains the info on the ballistics info, that ammo's price at that website, and its availability, plus more. So, I try to keep up on what is going on in the ammo world.

[@BillMcGirr]

@@vincentlavallee2779 It was probably about a year ago… maybe less. I didn’t order ammo… I ordered bullet components. At Midway 9mm bullets aren’t that much more than what I said. Some brands are very expensive… but xtp’s and gold dot bullets are still reasonably priced. I reload so I never buy ammo… only components. Perhaps you misread my post.🤷‍♂️👍🥃

[@patrickslevin6424]

That .357 SIG is a very underrated cartridge. People with chronographs ought to check this round out. Most consistent cartridge I've ever tested.

[@rbhe357]

I have always been a fan of .357 Sig. Perhaps one of my favorite carry rounds. Unfortunately it's gotten almost impossible to find cheaply.

[@herrcobblermachen]

Quickly becoming a reloaders-only cartridge. With that though, one you have the brass the rest of the components are no different than 9mm. I have no trouble finding it in stores, I dont think there will ever be a sold-out situation with it, but pricey. I cant seem to locate any under $35/box. Who knows, 10mm for the longest time was obscure, and its seen a resurgence. To get much out of it you have to reload it too. I've heard that factory 357sig is a bit on the light side. Ill have to break out the chrony sometime.

[@rbhe357]

@@herrcobblermachen The stores seem to carry maybe 1-2 defensive options for premo prices. Rarely if ever do I see cheap target stuff. Fortunately I can barrel swap to a .40 for that. Haven't tried reloading it as I understand the very short neck can be a pain to size/crimp properly. Like 10mm, a lot of the factory stuff is watered down raising the whole "it's no better than 9mm" argument. I routinely saw 1500+fps out of the Underwood 125gr Gold Dot's...back when you could still buy 'em. That is 357 magnum (or 9mm +p+p+p+) performance, lol.

[@Geoffreyblunts]

​@@rbhe357 grizzley makes some stout 10mm options

[@AM68635]

I sold my 357sig i hated it. I stay with 357mag,

[@rbhe357]

@@AM68635 Why hate it? I mean besides that its becoming harder to find cheaply.

[@ASMR-soothingsounds]

As the gel block demonstrates, nobody would want to be on the business end of any of those cartridges.

[@drfranks1158]

humans are fragile. we tend not to tolerate projectiles of any kind. A thrown rock is just as bad as any explosively accelerated lead. it aint the girth or the velocity you need to lose sleep over, it's all the same when it turns your light off.

[@sinisterthoughts2896]

Truly

[@Jason_556]

@@drfranks1158can’t argue with that!

[@OffGridHacks]

Absolutely agree, and I say that as someone who dislikes the 357 sig. Truth me told I feel like the sig was designed for human targets, and the magnum was designed for everything else.

[@WawaGods]

If you're looking for another medium to defend Mr. Evil Octopus Plywood Monsters, I think clay would be fantastic for this channel. Cheap, available, and shows a really cool wound channel that you don't really get with ballistic gel.

[@ilbw8n]

Very good idea

[@thejerk4478]

Yes! Replace the sand with clay

[@bokiNYC]

Agree 100%! 👍

[@LTVoyager]

Yes, clay is way better than a box of sand.

[@alexwilcox9559]

@@LTVoyager I agree, nothing ever really makes it through anyways. I don't think sand is a very fair testing medium, as it works as backstop very well lol

[@Miamijunglist]

Love your content. As a contractor/carpenter I would ALSO highly suggest you cut your wood chunks from BETWEEN the knots. The difference is big.

[@georgesheffield1580]

I've never been attacked by pressure treated lumber , yes to a few low limbs and tree roots

[@billymorris3265]

Another carpenter strongly agrees. Knots won’t only contaminate these experiments, but completely corrupt them (for dramatic flair.) Seriously, though, a lifetime of nail gun ballistics have taught me that this person’s words ring completely true. A premium cut will tell more truth. Knots can increase the density of the wood threefold and in the most wild, inconsistent manner.

[@johnwilbanks3885]

Carpenters know knots.

[@ettube8686]

I agree concrete is easier to get a nail in that a pine nott​@@billymorris3265

[@rocksandoil2241]

I like Midway and I like the humor of this channel and hope Midway continues to entertain us by supporting you.

[@justsmitty1709]

I like Midway also. I think they like me too. I do know about 9 or 10 years ago when the cost of ammo was decent, and I got a nice retirement bonus that the only person who didn't appreciate Midway was my UPS driver. 😂

[@col.cottonhill6655]

Midway is good for clearance sales. They sometimes overstock and have incredible deals on clothing. Also they are very easy to deal with returning items if they don't fit or meet your satisfaction

[@JerryRedd-bs8xi]

It would be great if they sent out catalogs again so you could see what they had. My catalog is falling apart and is 15 years old or more ​@@col.cottonhill6655

[@armedrebellion47]

357 sig is an awesome round...

[@MemorialRifleRange]

Given Cost, having to stock another cartridge, mags, availability, recoil, etal... the 9 did well enough not bother changing.

[@bobbowie5334]

A better behaved cartridge than the other two.

[@TheYemcl]

. 357 SIG chambers more reliably in my Glocks and M&P 40 than 9mm, being a bottlenecked cartridge. It's not a huge difference, but maybe a 5% better average over a case (1k rds) of ammo. I also like the flatter trajectory. That said, good luck finding it when you need it.

[@worldcure7883]

​@@TheYemcl it shoots extremely flat, snappier but that's really no issue once you are used to it. Was looking at one of those pcc conversions for my Glock 31 mainly out of curiosity as to what .357 sig would do out of a 10 inch barrel lol, maybe I'll get around to it one day.

[@life_with_bernie]

Dude, I used to have so much respect for you. You were one of my heroes, fighting the good fight against evil rapscallions like Juggy but... 6:40 crocs with socks? Oh, how the mighty have fallen.

[@DaveL9170]

Definitely turn in his Man Card

[@CTCAC2000]

I feel your pain. I've got kids and it is now in style to wear crocs with socks and even sandals with socks. I tried to point out to them that that shit would have had mercilessly ridiculed a few years ago (like 20, I guess). They just laughed at me and said I was old, lol.

[@Tonymarony5113]

In Australia we call flip flops thongs. It is seen low class and and uncool to wear socks with thongs. But I'm 45 now and I don't give a fuck what people think. So I wear socks with thongs.

[@usbackcountry]

Quite the opposite: He deserves respect for not giving a shit what some people may think about what he chooses to ware. Were watching balistic research here, not a fashion show.

[@AndrewBowles-p5r]

Lmfao, good eye!

[@TROOPERfarcry]

Two thing about 357 Magnum: 1 - It makes substantially more gains when put into a rifle than a 9mm or 357 Sig would. A bolt-action 357 Magnum starts to get close to a 30-30, but with the extra benefit of being chambered in your side-arm for logistical ease. 2 - Without feed-ramps, 357 Mag can also have more exposed lead at the tip, which makes for consistently better deformation on impact. That said, I prefer 9mm overall.

[@patrickg3872]

357 mag in my 16” lever action never ceases to amaze me

[@PJ_Perry]

I honestly just got a lever action in 357 and I love it ..the ballistics pistol caliber carbines are great ..I got to get a 44mag lever action next 😂

[@timjohnson8390]

9mm sucks for defensive purposes

[@Rubeless]

Amateur hour here.

[@DaveL9170]

@@TROOPERfarcryBARELY mediocre.

[@squidmonkey940]

"Janie's got a"... Sorry... Juggie's got a gun... "Is there engough difference to make a difference? You be the judge." Quotes from Aerosmith and Paul Harrell in one post! Heavenly!

[@maverickmac1797]

My dad and I both are .357 fanatics, but all three of these cartridges are devastating and can properly defend well against anyone. These tests simply prove that.

[@priltzy]

I as a swede would love a comparison between the 6.5x55 swede and the creedmoor. Good video as always 👍

[@georgesheffield1580]

Yes ,especially EU modern loading , same barrel length and projectle

[@kremepye3613]

Handloaded swe wins all day.

[@radman6047]

Love the Swede!

[@LTVoyager]

The top three reasons I bought a 9 mm: 1. Cheap ammo 2. Cheap ammo 3. Cheap ammo. If all ammo cost the same, I’d shoot several other calibers rather than 9 mm. When my .45 ACP ammo costs twice as much as 9 mm, it is a hard sell.

[@JH-bb5ne]

Not to mention the ubiquity/availability of 9mm

[@HansFormerlyTraffer]

@@JH-bb5ne I can load my own really hot. I have a very strong pistol.

[@dennisyoung4631]

“…and easier to find..?”

[@LTVoyager]

@@dennisyoung4631 Commodity items are generally easier to find as well as being cheaper.

[@ironmonkey1512]

if you want cheap and variety, learn to reload

[@jakewhitney8201]

I had a 357sig and that thing was a laser beam. Never should have sold it.

[@bjcastleton804]

Thanks those 3 were exactly what I wanted.

[@danieltallott2857]

Came to say just this. Take it from a builder, a knot will bounce nails from nailguns away ,mostly into your fingers

[@kweeks10045]

A really interesting cartridge is the 41 magnum. I have been a fan since the mid 80's when a friend started using it for silhouette shooting.

[@Rubeless]

What’s so interesting about it?

[@drg917]

I bought a Ruger Blackhawk 41 back in the mid 70's. I handload for it and have taken many deer, antelope etc. with it over the years. I would like to see a comparison of the 41 mag. vs the 44 mag. It would be interesting.

[@henriyoung3895]

Don't forget the .44 Mag is only .429...the .41 Mag is .41 so not much difference. I own them all.

[@billpayer2713]

I carried a Model 58 S&W on duty in the late 70s. Love the caliber! Later I got into Cowboy Action shooting. Had 2 Blackhawks and a lever rifle in 41. It hits just as hard as a 44 with less punishment at the shooter side of the gun. Flat shooter with good range especially out of a carbine.

[@behindthewolfseyes]

@@Rubeless It has better sectional density vs the .44 Mag, with less recoil. If you like the .460 S&W over the .500, or appreciate 16 gauge, .41 Mag is for you.

[@itsallchemical42]

Thank you for finally painting the sleds a hi viz color

[@jamesrose1641]

I can't believe you forgot to give the thumbs up after you painted the steel!

[@georgedeedsnotwords2162]

Now that is a comparison . At least they have the same circumference projectile .

[@jamesbyers7169]

.355 vs .357

[@Natedoc808]

You can +p+ 9mm all you want but it doesn’t compare to 125gr .357mag. The 157gr are common but it really shines with the increased velocity at 125gr

[@megastick9324]

Which is exactly what it was designed to do. Emulate a 357 mag, 125gr from a 4” bbl. That’s exactly what it does. The mag has the option of up or down loading for different uses, the Sig does what it was meant to do, one shot stops, like the mag, it was the gold standard for decades and this gave people an option to have an auto with the same ballistics. People say “ it’s too snappy” , well they wouldn’t like the mag either. Self defense isn’t bullseye shooting, and the mag was renowned for its one shot stops with a hit, pretty much anywhere. Not instant death, stopping the fight. The Sig is the same on the receiving end, as designed, so a little snap and hit will end fights just the same. And it’s not like one is shooting boxes of ammo in a gunfight, that hit is what counts, not how many you get in the 10 ring at 25yds the fastest.

[@Natedoc808]

@@megastick9324 I’m not knocking the .357 sig at all, I wish it were more economical and as easy to reload as straight wall cartridges. I’m a fan of 10mm myself, and certainly don’t think 10mm, .40s&w or .45acp are difficult to shoot/too snappy. I really like the .357mag compatibility between my revolver and lever gun and can train with cheaper .38spl. Balistically .357 sig can be loaded much hotter than any 9mm +++P+++ (insert 9mm fanboy made up chrono numbers here) can achieve. Same with 40 and 10mm as all can achieve 500lb feet of muzzle energy without it being a compressed load or requiring special gun/modofications to tolerate the chamber pressure. As far as hits on target go in decensive shooting, that’s what matters, not bullseyes but torso or head shots, next would be pelvis shots. I think people should carry what they can shoot well under pressure- even if that’s a 22mag. If people are getting shot and want to continue fighting, give them seconds and thirds.

[@megastick9324]

@@Natedoc808 I never took you as knocking it at all. And agree.

[@Natedoc808]

@@megastick9324 I guess it’s just becoming harder to not read comments in the blowhard voice of raging keyboard commandos

[@TheWizardboy5]

imagine thinking you're tough enough to survive even a .380 let alone a 9 or 9+p+

[@lutherpayne9957]

The .38 Super Auto +P was developed to go through car doors back in 1929 and was offered in the Colt 1911 frame pistol. But was somewhat overshadowed by the 357 Mag in 1935. It might be worth a gander at the 38 Super Auto +P vs the standard 9 mm. The +P designation was just added so folks wouldn't confuse it with the 38 Auto. Those autos were not rated for the pressure of the 38 Super Auto. Cheers!

[@DavidKasan]

All I know is you need to do a review on the beautiful 357 Magnum! I want one already! Huge thanks to them for making that possible.

[@ericc.7000]

The argument for the .357 magnum revolver is the same as for a classic 1911 w/ just 7 or 8 rounds: with good shot placement, anything in excess of 6 or 7 rounds is just extra weight. And I've never heard of a revolver having an FTF or FTE, or having "magazine issues" either. Of course, if you need to throw more than a dozen rounds down range in your house or in a public place, you damn sure better put them all on target, or your misses could be disastrous!

[@markchapman2585]

I love the Sig but also like the power of the good old Magnum revolvers, too.

[@TheYemcl]

For automatics, .357 SIG is a fair compromise. Flat trajectory, decent ballistics, better feeding than straight walled cartridges (marginal improvement over .40 and even 9mm in some guns) and better handling characteristics than .40, with same capacity. Only downside is availability.

[@markchapman2585]

@TheYemcl it's not just about the cartridge it's about the frame revolvers are just way more reliable. Won't shoot you in the ass if you drop it

[@col.cottonhill6655]

I love shooting a .357 revolver. Its fun to randomly stick in .38 specials so you dont know what kinda recoil to expect on the next shot

[@kylesummers1565]

I was a .357 guy back in the early eighties with the CCI Lawman ammo. I gradually converted to 1911 .45 for the natural pointing, and later to the Glock 17 for accuracy and ease of shooting. I'm somewhat back to the 1911 .45 now but am developing a soft spot for the old wheel guns. Peace, Love!!

[@johnathansaegal3156]

I carry a .357 magnum S&W 686 as my EDC. My backup is an FM Hi-Power 9mm (not +P). IF I need more shots downrange than the six in the magnum, I "New York Reload" to the FM's 13+1 round 9mm. I'm a civilian, not in Kursk, Russia right now. That .357 has saved my life in the past and I did not need all six shots. I trust in what I carry.

[@Rubeless]

Nice story. Now tell us about your moon visit.

[@kellyalger2394]

​@HWG-wm8ld He can't, it's a State secret that only alpha-tier officials know the details about. But I'm sure he could tell you about the aliens in Antarctica, if you know the secret handshake.

[@pauleddy5146]

Well, it comes down to whether or not you have access to all, either, or. I only have a 9mm, so the +P 9mm is my choice. My choice of +P is G9. You'll want to see the wound channel of that round! Depending on what the projectile was designed to do, something that goes through an object, like say a wall to get to the target in question, before it tumbles, expands or frags, that's another video.

[@southronjr1570]

Oddly enough this is the same disagreement my middle son and I have. He is a .357 mag fanboy and carries a S&W 7 shot with a 5 inch barrel, while I carry a H&K P30Sv3 in 9mm carrying 9mm +p. Your video points out exactly what I have been telling him for some time now that while the .357 does have a little more penetration and slightly better terminal performance however, the slight ballistic advantage does not outweight the 11 more rounds in just one magazine when compared to my H&K. I must say, he did relent and picked up a Sig P320 in 9mm not long ago (the ones that are supposed to have the fix done to them to keep them from randomly going off when loaded). Thanks for doing this video and keep them coming, your videos have confirmed or corrected my thoughts on several occasions and I greatly appreciate it.

[@craigthescott5074]

Carried a 357 as a street cop for over 10 years then we went to 9mm, 40 S&W and then 45 acp. 357 is a no BS round but the drawback is low capacity. It’s kinda hard to get accurate fast follow up shots due to its recoil, and it throws a ball of flame at night out of a 4 inch revolver. Plus there’s the slow reload even with speed loaders over magazines.

[@brianmurray1395]

It only takes one well placed shot.

[@wadesafool]

Your videos once again hilarious!

[@grzegorzp.5734]

Considering the price for a bullet, capacity, availibility (outside US :) ), and effectiveness all together - 9 +P wins for me :)

[@828enigma6]

357 Sig is my favorite.

[@vladorlovsky6623]

I love watching you videos dude! Great job as always.

[@Eric--zs6um]

357 mag all day

[@ironmonkey1512]

he needs something better than those wimpy loads, if the fireball isn't 2 feet wide it's not 357

[@dennisyoung4631]

Cast Lead 158 grain, with gas-checks - and perhaps a modest dose of something like Unique? I disrecall what the recipe was in the Lyman loading manual…

[@johnmazza5918]

Or a hot-loaded 9x25 Dillon (10mm Auto necked down to 9mm). It is shorter but identical in case space to the .357 - and will spit 125 grains out of a 5-inch auto barrel at over 1600 fps. Or 90 grain Lehigh XD screwdriver tips out at 2000...

[@cliffords2315]

its what ive used for 40 years

[@JustSnapper]

With a pyton

[@BaronMorte]

That Henry is one slick looking revolver. Great vid.

[@jordanhorst6]

unfortunately a lot of the mainstream ammo companies seem to underload their 10mm and 357sig. Buffalo-Bore and underwood make good full pressure 357sig

[@SlavicCelery]

A bunch of Buffalo-Bore loadings have been watered down in the last few years. Recent tests in a lot of calibers have been underwhelming.

[@CHEECHMUN]

@@SlavicCelery Oh no. Sad.

[@knurlgnar24]

I haven't seen that with 10mm. I see SAAMI spec on most everything. Do you have examples?

[@robertlawson698]

But they charge 10mm price for it!👎

[@whyareusobad3528]

@@knurlgnar24of foot pounds or internal pressures I know foot pounds of energy delivered off the top of my head but f***ing hate looking at internal pressures

[@davidlawickiii882]

I'm happy to see some arms manufacturers giving this channel some love!

[@aarongreenfield9038]

What you can use to replace the sand, is magazines, books, salt licks, or even clay.

[@keeganguyer9779]

Great comparison here! I love the standardized barriers. One thing that is worth mentioning/testing is these cartridges with heavier bullets. 357 magnum shines with 145gr and 158gr for barriers... where .357 Sig and 9mm+p will not compete well. Keep up the good work!

[@josephriggs-xb6oy]

9mm and 357 mag are what I own, but that 357 sig is a sweet round. I make ammo for a living and have access to all these rounds,just got to go shooting with my buddy with his 357 sig to suckered in to buy another gun.

[@Misplaced_Acres]

The "flashy thing" of the 357 Mag is adiabatic compression. The immediate colapse of the wound cavity acts like a piston. The sudden rise in pressure heats the cavity's air. It then ignites unburnt propellant dragged in by the bullet. This happens mostly at close ranges. (Note the unburnt propellant dissipates over distance.) This is how diesels burn fuel without spark plugs.

[@r1pbuck]

While I'm very fond of the .357Magnum for sporting carry in both revolver and lever rifle, for defensive purposes I'd go with the 357Sig, as it's an easy upgrade just by replacing the .40S&W barrel in both my M&P and my Sig P226. If I could ever get a 357Sig barrel for my P229, that would be about the best setup I could imagine. Of course I have 9mm conversions for both those pistols as well, so whatever ammo I can find, I can use.

[@BillyP55]

Always loved the .357 mag. Only have 2 of the pistols at this time, but recently added the Henry Big Boy Brass .357mag/38special to my collection.

[@emacstac]

The federal air marshal used to use the 357 Sig, that round - although expensive, doesn't disappoint.

[@commandZee]

So did the Secret Service.

[@justahologram2230]

Weren't they also using safety slugs

[@emacstac]

@@justahologram2230 I'm not 100% positive on that one

[@kevinrichardson8859]

125 grain speer gold dots​@@justahologram2230

[@sinisterthoughts2896]

I know they packed sig 226 in 9mm with safety slugs. But I'm not surprised if they packed the 357 sig.

[@coderexe30]

Love the .357 Sig. I wish there were more firearm options out there. IMO the 5.7 is getting the attention that the .357Sig should already have.

[@jimfarmer693]

Good video again, thanks. Maybe use sheet rock in place of plywood, everyone has sheet rock walls.😂

[@Sam-hg9sk]

I fully agree, but...hear me out. That 4×4 block is the equivalent of hitting a stud and still going through.

[@toddtravis2596]

​@@Sam-hg9skpressure treated 4x4> standard pine 2x4.🤦🏾

[@paulm749]

Yeah, I'm thinking that a good center-mass hit from any of those 3 rounds = a very bad day on the receiving end. Nicely done, BB!

[@MattH-wg7ou]

I carry an HK P30 9mm with Federal HST 147gr +P personally. Or that in any other of my 9mm (an exception of one gun loaded with CorBon DPX 115gr +P). In my .45...same....230gr HST +P. Heaviest HST for caliber and +P. That's my personal philosophy for pistol rds.

[@wb5mgr]

MHO and Analysis FWIW: The difference in these three calibers every time somebody compares them is this : Basically bullet development stopped on the 357 magnum 20 years ago because everybody is focusing on auto loaders and most people that are shooting the 357 magnum are shooting hard cast bullets or just plain old traditional hollow points like Remington, green and yellow box. Sure you can get some thing like a gold dot for the 357 magnum, but that doesn’t really take it vantage of the extra velocity, and they haven’t continued to develop to find a way to build a hollow point that takes advantage of that extra velocity in a way better than it did 20 years ago. Enter the 357 Sig, it’s a really good blend of a shorter casing with a faster, burning powder and a modern design bullet that performs well, and has as you pointed out more ammo capacity than the revolver but it has a downside as well… Ammo is not as easy to find and it’s not as cheap to shoot. Then you have the 9 mm, it’s maybe 10% down on the 357 Sig 15% at the most, but it’s significantly cheaper to shoot… And a lot of people shoot it better because it has slightly less recoil. Also, you’ll never find a more available round than the 9 mm. You can find 9 mm anywhere, I have found 9 mm in places that didn’t have 22 long rifle. From my experience, it’s the most popular caliber out there worldwide at least in 2024. That makes it for me an easy choice for a carry to go with a 9 mm. Now I could see if you were somebody like a state trooper and you had an endless supply of free ammunition to go with the 357 Sig. with routine practice I don’t think the extra recall would be a problem for a big, burly state trooper and you’re not gonna have a problem buying or affording ammo. But for me, I’ll stick with my 9 mm

[@josephnoll2754]

The major issue over time is the downgrading in sammi of 357mag & 357sig for various reasons... still love 357mag at 1400fps minimum.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

158gr 1525 fps from 8.375-inch barrel. That was the original "magnum" in the 1930's. That performance is exceeded slightly today by Grizzly, Buffalo Bore, and maybe DoubleTap on a load or two. Underwood is far less in rimed revolver performance than they publish. Although saami might have reduce pressures somewhat (that point has been filling forums with long winded debates), it doesn't mean every company that loads for .357mag must load to absolute limit performance for every single projectile stuffed into that casing. They have a lot more to consider. If people want magnum performance from .357magnum, it's easy to achieve that (commercially) with a few boutique brands. Otherwise you'll have pretty stout, but nowhere near max potential from the big box companies. Does that influence the market opinion about a given cartridge? ABSOLUTELY. Does that move people away from it toward something more voluminous or popular? I think it does. Consider the reputation the public has over .38 Special vs. 9mm. The former is more powerful but you'll rarely find that opinion, mostly because of how industry treats these cartridges on average.

[@nathanlambshead4778]

Love your fun videos. Thanks. My only request, seeing as I am such an old school numbers guy, is a description of each round you use, in particular, bullet weight, construction and style. PS every morning I find myself saying "It's time to grind!" when making my coffee. :)

[@Horus2Osiris]

Love your channel, your style, your set up there... That's not concrete; that's a cinder block. Not even in the same galaxy, brother...❤

[@nobodyyouknow1065]

“GO, BANANA!” - Ralph Wiggum

[@Its_Taco_26]

😂

[@mikereinhardt4807]

357 mag all day long. Can't beat the law enforcement history as a man stopper...

[@toddtravis2596]

I'll take capacity

[@GLOCKCOPG23]

Raw power beats capacity all day. The 357 mag is simply in a higher tier than the other two. “Capacity” is nice when you miss alot. Lol

[@MPjustaman]

I'll take the 12 gauge slug, thank you.

[@karlmadsen3179]

​@@GLOCKCOPG23Agreed. The mag dump philosophy is for the generation of shooters that forgot that there's a front sight and a sight target involved.

[@mikereinhardt4807]

@@toddtravis2596 Personally I feel explaining 6 dead bodies to the authorities is going to be difficult enough...

[@CastIeBravo]

Have you considered buying a barrel in 9x25 just to see the difference in ballistics performance? It no way as cheap or common as any of the three here, but might provide some good comparison and entertainment value.

[@dmoncada2734]

Always enjoy your videos and the hilarious commentary.

[@Rubicon1776]

For EDC, 9mm always 1st choice If you must carry a revolver then .357 Magnum For a “woods” gun .357 or .44 Magnum or 10mm

[@Stylepoints71]

Gettin' Juggy wit it.

[@MrRedeyedJedi]

You have a uniquely deep voice. It kinda sounds like the ones they use in phone calls to remain anonymous

[@ryanzanow8221]

Good job, Mr. Rimshot!

[@minkinomics3002]

There's another level of performance for 9mm too, if you used NATO L7A1 or imi blacktip. Those would be on the standard of +P+.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

If it was so great, why does it need +P+? You realize .357sig is about 250 fps faster than 9 +P+

[@RichardKut-j7m]

You knew the 357 was the winner before you did this as others also, but it's nice watching. Thanks,

[@GLOCKCOPG23]

A 9 will never be a 357 Sig, and a 357 Sig will never be a 357 Magnum.

[@ashackatak]

Yeah but this vid proved it’s really all about shot placement

[@GLOCKCOPG23]

The only thing this video proves is that people aren’t made of building materials and inanimate objects don’t fight/shoot back. As a former crime scene investigator, I have seen the 9’s lack of ability to stop determined felons in a timely manner leaving them the ability to cause havoc with hits that may later be fatal. In reality, with “good shot placement”, larger / more powerful duty rounds simply end things more quickly with less rounds expended.

[@ricksilver7398]

Love the reviews. It proves the baby brother 9mm is fully capable of getting a job done at a lower price

[@davidguillory4294]

You should do the gel block test with self defense rounds. The 357 Sig self defense ammo is vicious. There are stories out there of basket ball size cavities from the round.

[@Kriss_L]

Yeah, but 9mm will blow out the entire lung. Just ask Joe.

[@truking5257]

@@Kriss_Llol

[@davidguillory4294]

@@Kriss_L A NH State troop used the Sig Defense cartridge on a massive moose and instantly dropped it. It left a basket size cavity in the animal!

[@redfaux74]

Another good test Double B. ❤

[@PJ_Perry]

Dude is unique change ..not a tactical dude like everyone else..kind of a nerd ..but makes you laugh ..good content ..For those complaining theres knots in the wood block .yes he could use other wood that is knot free he could do alot of things..its his channel 😂 relax ..i never seen so many people who cry over shit..suggesting is one thing..blowing a gasket is wild hahah

[@Rubeless]

You need some education on writing.

[@paulp.6399]

@@Rubeless How many threads are you going to play grammar police in, Karen?

[@PJ_Perry]

@HWG-wm8ld listen grammar nazi. , I lost my hand in Afghanistan I'm sorry I can't type on a phone as well as you ..and occasionally I miss spell due to my ONE FUCKING HAND not reaching the exact letter I'm trying to type 🤣

[@Me2Lancer]

Thanks for the great comparison. I'm a long time fan of .357 Magnum.

[@scubaguy007]

"Juggie's got a gun" should be a T Shirt

[@ZOROASTED]

You have an Archon? That's super cool. The only 9mm pistol I want more is a Laugo. Archons are so cool.

[@muddy-one]

9mm. Cheap and plentiful compared to the others.

[@donwyoming1936]

Hard to beat the terminal performance of a 9mm +P+ HST.

[@jaquanmusgrave2606]

Who cares.

[@jaquanmusgrave2606]

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[@jaquanmusgrave2606]

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[@Prepare2Survive]

I shoot and handload all 3 calibers. They all their own advantages and disadvantages. The 357 mag does a lot better with long barrels, but has limited ammo capacity. The 357 Sig is great for deep penetration and higher ammo capacity than 357 mag, but 357 Sig is much louder than 9mm and 9mm is great at having the lowest cost for ammo. If I had to choose only one it would probably be 9mm with 357 mag in close 2nd place just because from a carbine length barrel 357 mag has almost the same muzzle energy as 30-30 Winchester or 7.62x39 and 357 mag is a lot easier to handload than any bottle neck calibers.

[@shred1894]

To me it looks like the .357 Sig is better at dumping it's energy into the target than the other two, via projectile construction, which also explains why it has the performance it does on wood and water.

[@nadanomad6462]

As someone who carries a ruger gp 101 7 shot snub nose, it's a damn reliable gun. And it's my secondary for a reason. If I have to go thru all my other guns to use .357, I want it to stop those trying to hurt me it one pop.

[@MikecWilliams-kn7qu]

I've carried both revolver and auto. Basically depends on training. A revolver with speed loads are great. I carry a 1911 for EDC, 7 round mag. Seems people with more ammo mag, don't really aim fire, just mag dump. I'm 54 and learned to control fire. Seen videos of cops dumping all 3 mags and still not hit target

[@Rubeless]

You should look into a remedial English class.

[@LogisticallyMisrepresented]

Hunter Biden is that you ​@@Rubeless.?!

[@Woodstockblues1]

Ditto! I’ve used both on duty. .357 Mag revolver, and .45 Auto pistol. Both low round count weapons. Iron sights. And I agree with you that only hits count. Actually, it’s the first round that counts. Fifteen round magazines are irrelevant. Gotta be the one to hit center of mass first. Nothing else matters…

[@CharlesLaBuhn]

I run IMI 124gr Black Dot +P @1200fps so, no thank you, I am good. Well done video again, thank you.

[@mattcole8173]

Do you ever take into consideration the knots in the pressure treated wood? Love all yer videos!!

[@Metalgearmadness]

If you have a 9mm that can run plus p then by all means use what you have, if you want a little more performance you can always get a .357 sig glock, its a great cartridge. The .357 mag is more for dangerous game and thats probably about it, but then again you could use a 10mm.

[@disturbedmaynard3873]

Well, from an ammo pricing standpoint, the 9mm +p wins. .357 Mag is a close second, and .357 Sig ammo is about double in my area what the .357 Mag is. I would sure hope that if juggies are coming at me with a gun, it would be a pair of them. One juggie is just weird.

[@jeffchannel-lf6df]

2:59 shooting juggalos. Feeling the flow. Working it

[@alxra]

"The newest study of police shooting accuracy in deadly force encounters reflects the experience of just one municipal department. But to whatever extent the findings can be generalized, the picture is indeed a disturbing one. Researchers analyzed 149 real-life OISs recorded over a 15-year period by Dallas (TX) PD. In nearly half of these encounters, officers firing at a single suspect delivered “complete inaccuracy.” That is, they missed the target entirely. In 15 incidents, the total number of rounds fired could not be determined. But in the 134 cases where researchers could establish that figure, they calculated the hit rate, “incredibly,” at merely 35%. In other words, more than six out of 10 rounds fired were misses." From the Force Science Institute: Hitting (or missing) the mark: An examination of police shooting accuracy in officer-involved shooting incidents.

[@Kriss_L]

I saw something many years ago that NYPD had their best hit rate ever - 10%.

[@SpookyEng1]

Most LEOs shoot rarely and are not exceptionally proficient. Add stress and being in a life threatening situation and it is no surprise hit rates are so low. Imagine how poorly the average armed citizens perform.

[@alxra]

@@SpookyEng1 yeah, you're basically making the same argument I was implying. Cops don't hit their target at a high rate, so most regular non-cops are going to have an even harder time hitting the target under fire. That being the case, you're probably better off with more rounds per magazine than a 5rd 357 revolver.

[@thomassuit7450]

I wonder what percentage of those involved the target hiding behind something.

[@alxra]

@@thomassuit7450 Burn a couple of calories, look it up and let us know.

[@davidfultz6483]

Just like naturaly aspirated engines, there’s no replacement for displacement ! Mo powda , mo betta !

[@desertriderukverun1002]

What the 357 mag offers that the autos don’t is heavier bullets. With 180 and 200 gr the 357 mag is in a different league

[@OhNoGahzirra]

A heavier bullet doesn't always equal more energy tho. 9mm rounds outperform just about anything up to rifle rounds with the right projectile

[@exothermal.sprocket]

@@OhNoGahzirra Silly man. What 9mm has approached 1,000 ft-lb energy? .357mag has. And when you load .357mag in a rifle, you DOUBLE it's performance.

[@OhNoGahzirra]

@exothermal.sprocket I said just about everything. And ft-lb isn't the only quality you're looking for in performance. A fmj 357 sig will go clear through a flesh target while a 9 jhp will tear and stay in most. The same applies with a 9. My 16" barrel will do a hell of a lot more than my 4.5" barrel with a 9mm

[@exothermal.sprocket]

@@OhNoGahzirra Every kind of projectile 9mm runs is also available (and then some) for .357mag. The idea that energy numbers are not everything is true, but you cannot ignore 300-400 ft-lb MORE by comparison and claim it's going to be inconsequential due to projectile type.

[@rohesilmnelohe]

4:38 CZ-p07/09 poster underneath... Nice A really nice pistol.

[@rollercam351]

that 357 sig expanded in the first wood block and stopped, 9mm+p was slow enough to penetrate and hold together just a smidge more. I use those Lehigh penetrators in 9mm and they go through a lot of wood

[@vencik_krpo]

9x19 wins overall. Why? Much cheaper, yet pretty much on par with .357 SIG (or .40 S&W) when using higher loads. High capacity, easy to find and/or reload, huge number of loads & bullet types available... The .357 Mag. difference is undeniably there, but IMO isn't worth the lower capacity, nor the bulk & weight of an adequate revolver (or the mule-like kick if you shoot it from a light one). (Don't even mention Desert Eagle... ;-))

[@wesleymills6542]

The Remington 125 grain SJHP 357 Magnum is still unmatched in one-shot kills from any handgun cartridge ever, with over 60 years of data to prove it. Yes, a sacrifice in capacity is important, but with each bullet you fire, each over-penetration and miss will have a lawyer attached to it.

[@ewetho]

I have 3000 bullets for reloading mine….Best 357 Magnum Revolver round ever… You got a carbine? You know what to do with the 158s…. LOL

[@wesleymills6542]

@@ewetho I do have a carbine. Three of them, and a plethora of revolvers. I only have one “38 Special”. The rest of my “38s” are chambered in 357, but shooting 357 sucks in those models. They’re too small/light for a heavy diet.

[@nunyabusiness2444]

I don't own a 357 sig for how difficult it is to find ammo, but a large number of 9mms. I love my 357 magnums, especially my coonan, because a fully chambered magnum with no cylinder gap is a sight to behold.

[@miguelleanos824]

You have never tested a .38 super automatic.

[@judgehastheword9069]

My everyday carry is a GLock 31 gen4 357sig been carrying it for 6 years now. I am in a wheelchair lost both my legs above the knees at my job in 1993. I am now 61 years old. I stay fit. I am a believer if you stay in a manual wheelchair you stay in shape. I don't want a power chair. I practice shooting every week. Yes a 357sig is a snappy pistol. I love the flat shooting of the 357sig. Its not cheap to shoot but it is a one shot stop round. I only shot Lehigh Defense for my carry ammo. 2575 fps. I put a red dot on it from OLight. After a week of shooting it I am taking it off. I am faster in placing my rounds without the red dot.I live out in the country I own a lot of land I can go out my door an practice. All I have put on my GLOCK is a Ghost trigger 3 pound pull. So smooth of a pull.

[@adabsurdum5905]

As much as I love the idea of .357 Sig, it makes more sense to just go with 9mm. Concerning .357 mag, you can get crazy hot loads for it if you have a beefy enough revolver, so it has a lot more ballistic potential than the other 2

[@jaquanmusgrave2606]

9mm luger is indefensible.

[@fanman8102]

Hmmm….it has less recoil, more magazine capacity and costs less. All good reasons for the FBI to select the 9mm for “struggling shooters.” Not good reasons if you can actually shoot the 357Sig.

[@robnorth8514]

If capacity is what you’re after, then no. If you are off the mindset that less penetration for EDC self defense is better, the 9mm is best option. 357sig is the most expensive and can be difficult to find. All 3 calibers are prone to over penetrate. You are responsible for where your bullet goes even after you hit your target. Personally to me, penetration isn’t as important as the energy deposit on soft targets. All 3 you just tested have the same bullet size and can the same bullet type. With the exception of the 357sig. As I stated, they can be hard to find unless you buy all your ammo online. Places like Midway, Underwood ammo and Brownells (just to name a few) are good places to shop.

[@upStomp]

9mm is the cheapest and has the highest capacity potential (in states where that applies). There's just something about sending .357 mag out of a revolver though - It feels like you're chucking little baseball bats downrange.

[@Denbar137]

Good comparison. I was actually surprised how close they all were. I prefer a 357 mag to the other two. I'm probably a little biased though because my favorite gun is my S&W 66 combat magnum. While I have 380's and 9mm auto's, my daily carry is a S&W 442 38 spl. I've just found that revolvers are simply more dependable and ready to fire in a seconds notice. If I can't stop someone with 5 rounds, I might as well not carry.

[@feetpiece_704]

Unless he was using PPU 125gr 357 Sig, he wasn't using the real thing.

[@bippityboppitybootoyou]

This. At 1542 fps and 660 ft/lbs, it's no slouch! Just bought a case from SGAmmo the other week. 🙂

[@tomtrevino8192]

I think the 357 Sig wins hands down. Capacity and capability combined. Sadly, not enough retail support for good pricing to be found.

[@officedullard8722]

bottle-necked pistol cartridges are quite cute

[@carlmikell2292]

That's because they're slim-thick.😂

[@megastick9324]

@@officedullard8722 and they’re less prone to feeding issues, a good thing.