3D Printer SCAMS!

DO NOT get scammed on Facebook! I talk to 3 SCAMMERS and share some tips on how to recognize scams.
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[@LeisureLuke]

The timing of this video is impeccable. A "3d artist" was offering to do 3d modeling and animation for me. He was only willing to use PayPal friends and family (no buyer protection). Also, I could reverse image search everything in his "portfolio" to find he was not the creator. Be careful people, and HIGH FIVE 3DPN! Keep up the good work!

[@Filmitvfxstudios]

Yep i've had this from facebook

[@3DJapan]

To be fair as a freelance 3D artist I can understand asking for friends and family because there are no fees taken out by PayPal, they may not have even known about the buyer protection. Of course if their portfolio is fake that's another story.

[@LeisureLuke]

Agreed, that alone isn't a red flag, and I offered to cover the PayPal fees 😄 I know that 3.5% can impact a small business. Then the scammer said "Paypal doesn't work here unless its friends & family". I'm also paying out of a business account, and don't want problems calling it an expense. Clearly I got pretty far into the conversation with the scammer 😖

[@TheFeralEngineer]

I have to deny and ban dozens of these idiots daily in my printing groups

[@aminproduct]

😮 amazing video

[@mrnlce7939]

So what I'm learning from this is don't click on any links that Joel sends you. Got it! Great video. Keep up the good work.

[@awilliams1701]

it's harmless. It just records your location. If you have nothing to hide not a big deal.

[@davel9130]

This reminds me of the TV marketers who say, "We'll send you a second product for FREE! You only need to pay shipping and handling."

[@onua5280]

When I was a maker at RMRRF, someone walked up to me and asked if I wanted to review a resin printer. (They showed me a sample print) Then they asked if I would pay for the printer to review! And I said no since it was probably a scam. This video pretty much confirmed that for me. Thanks 3D Printing Nerd! Also high five!

[@devmacosx]

Good guy Joel. Making the world a safer and better place, one yt video a time!

[@xXKisskerXx]

If a company isn't willing to eat the shipping cost - they aren't real. Shipping is basically nothing overall, even the expensive hundreds of dollars shipping - not only do big companies get deals on, but they eat the cost because even a mild review will get them lots of attention and sales, if the product is decent. Otherwise they don't trust their products, or are simply in it for your money so they can run. Scammer 1 - seemed like a AI bot. Scammer 2 - it's not up to contacts to keep in touch with the company, it's up to the company to keep in touch with the reviewers, the reviewer only reviews.. .they aren't devoting their lives to it. Scammer 3 - ah yes when all your scams fail, accuse the other of being the scammer! Project HARDER THAN IMAX

[@kameljoe21]

I just got samples in from a company that sent it via UPS and likely cost 20 dollars. The sample set came with a bunch of goodies as well. Nice drinking cup as well.

[@shanejohnson970]

Thanks Joel for doing this video. I love that you are informing and protecting your viewers. This was fun to watch! 😊

[@justinchamberlin4195]

I assumed that the video would focus on the various Kickstarter scams from over the years, but this is so much more useful - these sorts of posts come up pretty regularly across the various groups I'm in. While they're easy enough to identify and avoid, that doesn't make them any less annoying.

[@ackthbbft]

Yep, anyone else remember the Tiko unibody delta printer? I got nailed on that one, fortunately it wasn't for much. I'm not doing too badly, though, so far out of 28 Kickstarters I've backed, only 2 didn't deliver.

[@justsomeguy471]

our boy joel doin gods work here, f those scammers man

[@willeykev]

EXCELLENT Vid Joel!! Please make more videos on this topic and others which help protect us all - GREAT and yes, humorous work!! 🙂

[@JonLaRue]

Thanks for doing this Joel!

[@theotherbart]

Thank you Joel for educating people the way you do. Just the fact that they don’t know you is already proof they are scammers IMHO ;-)

[@3DPrintSOS]

Great work Joel. There are a TON of these going around on Facebook.

[@LicheLordofUndead]

Thank you, Joel, very good information

[@elvendragonhammer5433]

You should send that info to your contcts @ Creality so that they at least know it's going on- it'd be a lot easier for them to put out a public announcement to potential customers etc, than just the audiance your channel reaches. Cool vid by the way & thanks for helping ppl from getting takin in by this scam.

[@lasersterling]

Nice! Great video Joel!

[@ThePrintHouse]

This is a great relaxed change of pace. I love the for this video!

[@user-qn7rs5im3q]

Awesome video. I usually ignore those facebook scams but now I am going to post your video in the comments every time I see one of those scams. Thanks

[@dandw1442]

please NEVER give them advice what they are doing wrong!

[@awilliams1701]

like they are going to learn fluent english. lol

[@TROPtastic]

Them accepting this advice would make it not a scam lol. Could you imagine a scammer going "Need testers for a printer, send me your address and I'll pay to ship a printer to you"?

[@alejandrotaudil3689]

Kudos!nice work!!

[@markmorgan8378]

Very useful video Joel. One of your best.

[@3DPrintingNerd]

Glad you think so!

[@peterwestmore4043]

Love this, please do more videos like this

[@user-dk6ws4oj6r]

Interesting clarification of what I thought was going on. Thanks for posting.

[@louyuno]

At first I laughed and said "This is so obvious. Who could possibly fall for it?" but then I realized that I burnt two email addresses when I was younger because I used them in "WIN THIS ITEM" scam ads and they just sold my data... I'm glad that you show everyone how those people operate, so they don't have to make that experience... or worse.

[@gregsiwicki5737]

Nice job Joel, thanks for the info :)

[@psmithrpm]

Good one, thanks for the expose!

[@dia35]

It's getting bad. Even on websites that you obtain files from. When I've wrote to a few designers with an issue on their file, I've had some ask for my personal email so they can send "the fixed file" to you once they have it fixed.

[@OneHappyCrazyPerson]

It's so unclear nobody understands what your talking about.

[@timetokickit]

​@@OneHappyCrazyPersonpeople are trying to infect him with malware

[@dia35]

@@OneHappyCrazyPerson sorry, didn't know I had to spell it out in leaman's terms. Bad people asking for personal email, this is against site policies, they want to sell my email or put bad things on my computer. Don't ever give your personal email out. Is this better? If it sounds a little coarse, but it is. I'm only trying to warn people, but if it means this kind of explanation holding someone's hand, than you are on your own.

[@Twodoorsmorewh0res]

someone was most likely just trying to be nice and send you the updated file.. nobody is paying for your email address. Also, your email provider most likely has antivirus protection. You would also see what kind of attachment they sent anyway. If it isn't an.STL, don't download it.

[@sionmcelveen1734]

Brilliant video, thank you.

[@EngrDan-wb5pe]

Thanks for the info

[@Batfan83]

Awesomeness thanks for the info sir

[@tracywilliams61]

What a great and very useful video!

[@jakefromstatefarm8545]

OMG. This is a horrible situation but hearing you read through the discussion is freaking hilarious!

[@daviddiegel1239]

I hope the contact at the manufacturers are made aware of this and that the manufacturers are willing to attempt to prosecute the scammers.

[@andyb7754]

Very interesting Joel, thank you.

[@lowelljeff]

Great Work Joel..

[@hd-be7di]

Joel trolling 3d printing scammers... my late Tuesday night entertainment

[@ImaginationToForm]

thanks for showing us this information.

[@solmanJapan]

Facebook and Instagram are notorious for hosting these kinds of scams... funny that they're both owned by Meta. I've been through this before. I've ranted at them in Chinese and they go ballistic once they know what you're saying.

[@awilliams1701]

it's just a coincidence. They used to frequently use yahoo instant messenger. And meta owns neither. facebook and instagram actually are great choices because of high trafic flow (why does windows have the most viruses? it's because it has the largest install base).

[@thatHARVguy]

They hold cosplayer's reach hostage, yet are a-okay with promoting scammers. Tells ya which one Meta gets paid to care about more.

[@TwistedRealityDesigns]

Good work Joel

[@dekopuma]

I appreciate you spreading the news of this scam. I'm not sure much is to be gained from talking to the scammers though.

[@radicalrick9587]

*Any time someone offering these new printers says: IM "ME", email "ME", etc... that right there should be the first and only reg flag you need that it's a scam. The "ME" clearly exposes it as probably a scammer.*

[@MrMobius2011]

Scam Crowdfunding ones would be good. Also any follow ups that you're aware off ie profiles disappearing? Great video though I loved the investigations. You're becoming the Jim Browning of the printing world :)

[@user-yq3ny7oj8d]

Thanks for the heads up

[@blizatrex]

Joel; you are a true hero.

[@nickfinity]

You didn't blur out France person's address the first time in the screenshot just to let you know.

[@pileofstuff]

It's likely a fake anyway.

[@poet99999]

"opps"

[@camplays487]

@@pileofstufflikely isn’t good enough

[@400AGLNET]

Great video Sir. I've seen many of these style scams over the years. ^5

[@jonathanjones7319]

Great vid ty

[@ManishWayz]

I saw that same scam on Facebook, and the users name was Jackson Wu that was in communication with me. Glad I did the same thing and asked a ton of questions and kept the whole conversation.

[@fulv_uk]

Very interesting and useful video thank you.

[@musmo]

Great job 👏

[@gregs9492]

So...Love the vid. Love the use of the shortlink. I do have one question. Is it possible that the scammer's were using a compromised device as a proxy server? So that the IP you got, was not their actual IP, but rather the first step in a series of proxy servers? Just a thought.

[@jimhribnak2671]

This was awesome Joel. I call them out exactly how you did except some of them got rude with me HAH Anytime i see them on the FB 3d forums I go have fun. enjoyed your video

[@3DPrintTechDesign]

Yup this is a super big issue in all FB groups. Keep reporting them folks!

[@enochroot9438]

One thing I would say for the 3D printing community is that there is a good level of integrity among the Printfluencers. Rarely see any shilling on new product launches, pretty level and objective reviews , pros and cons etc

[@oilguygamer1744]

I thought your video was fantastic. I have to admit that I only stumbled on your video by accident while doing a search about something else. I however am glad and grateful, actually because I did get scammed myself, only once, but I know most people do not admit it. I thoroughly enjoyed your video. Thanks,

[@surfalex2000]

We are eager to wait for your XL Review

[@Zeldur]

Gezz, the link you sent is terrifying. That may be more useful than knowing to not trust people saying it's free but pay shipping. I had a scam... I think twice when trying to sell on FB marketplace. Once was me selling a leather jacket and someone wanted to buy it and send it to Florida. Already suspicious. They then tried to say they'll send $100 and I can send. $40 back or something like that. After that I just reported the account and blocked them. I had another scammer, this time on the phone, that tried asking for my mom and inquiring about a loan over the mail? I hung up on that one pretty quickly. Should probably block that phone number as well

[@ghostshadow1]

I had a similar thing happen trying to buy a steam deck second hand. They went through basically the exact same type of dialog. It was obvious that it was a scam. I just sucks there are people out there that feel they have to do this stuff. Its crazy!

[@WillofNewZealand]

Hi Joel from Will and Mr Data :):] Give those scumbag scammers heaps. Im working on search engines, genuine thing found under 909 pirates, we must clean house. Plus or minus 13 years. Its not good enough. The losses to comunity of not being found are epic in scale. Keep up the good work Joel.

[@tommo9757]

At my previous company much of the IT department had been off-shored to India. Trying to have an in-depth technical conversation went much like this. 😂

[@sigmadesigners]

Bangladesh is a country, not a part of India.

[@rudikemperman]

@@sigmadesigners Tommo never said that Bangladesh is in India, it was just an example ;-).

[@whattheworld9298]

@@rudikemperman whatever he still insulted Indians🥸

[@janosnagyj.9540]

@@whattheworld9298 He just wrote a _fact_ . If that fact is offending for them, well, it's their own fault... 😅

[@eternalkungfu3819]

​@@janosnagyj.9540 If you came to that conclusion by watching a bunch of s* caller videos, just observe in most of those videos the s* caller voice is identical/same and you believe them so hard. Can you name any country without sca*****s? When someone mentioned a country like this it means that they don't know outside world/ they don't l*ike that country/ they are j*ealous of that country.

[@TravelingSolo]

I’ve had a number of scammers be honest with me when I call them out. One in particular…when I said to him, “so you’re scamming people out of their hard earned money. That is pathetic, why do you do it?” and the kid replied, very quietly….”I guess because I’m pathetic, too.” He went on to explain that he had a family to support and there were no jobs to be found that paid enough (he said he was in Pakistan.) It was an eye opening convo. Of course, there are others that immediately launch into a profanity-laced tirade, so there’s that.

[@SaltGrains_Fready]

Most Excellent Expose. U can only imagine how many ppl get reeled in by this who don't know the ins and outs of the industry like U do ! Hope you do more regarding other pieces of equipment and show the western union scams also.

[@obscenity]

If they ever tell you, you have to pay for shipping; tell them "sure, mark it as paid on delivery", or you can also register to have your address a valid postage paid address, so they can use a postage paid stamp. zero cost if it never arrives

[@cpace123]

I would laugh if they set up a Chat GPT scammer

[@donalexander1933]

I'm sure someone already has

[@zx85]

16:01 In my head, the Pleasant Green Nigeria music started playing...

[@EtherealProject3D]

I see lots of these scams. Its sad that people fall for it.

[@mikeysmalls918]

This was good fun video. Good content.

[@OggyGTA]

"Hosan, the miniature Iron Man" creased me up! 🤣

[@apocalypsegardens]

I could not stop laughing at this video. We all deal with this garbage from scammers everyday. You should've told him your name was Malcom Merlyn.

[@3DJapan]

This reminds me of a couple of times when I was told I'd get a review unit, all I had to do was buy it on Amazon and they'd refund me. Now I don't believe this is a money scam. I think they would do it, but it's fake Amazon sales. Admittedly in my early days I did do this once with a small item (like $20) and did get refunded.

[@xXKisskerXx]

this is probably because Amazon allows small purchases to just get refunded for basically any reason and isn't worth their time or inventory to put it back in warehouses. I recently bought a heater, but it's the wrong one, it was like $10. When I requested a refund, they said 'just keep it, refund is on the way' - despite me fully expecting to take it to a UPS store and drop it off (taking time and a little money for gas) - but that's just how rich Amazon is overall... Billions in profit.

[@iZilly]

i was a victim of this but i paid with paypal and the transfer was done as a business so i easily got my money back but i did warn everyone else about these scamming losers! hope worst karma hits them!

[@mimmolagonigro]

they are the same ones who tried to contact me too. except that I was only asking to contact me with an official email with a contract. as I did for my few reviews.

[@xenoserum]

I love wasting scammers time as I'm always multitasking so no skin off my nose and its fun to watch them get infuriated with it. I'd also send all the details you have to there local authorities and to FB/Paypal and Gmail too just to hinder them if only for a little.

[@PUTV3D]

Hi Joel, I did made these mistake last year on Facebook, I paid for shipping never heard from them again in person , thankfully payment was via PayPal so they did take care for me with this fraud. Never again ..

[@radicalrick9587]

*We're looking for some test drivers for our **_Bugatti Veyron Super Sport_** for about 12 months. All you have to do is transfer/wire $5,000 for shipping the car to your location. Once we receive confirmation of the shipping payment the test **_Bugatti Veyron Super Sport_** should arrive in about 2-5 days, depending on your location.* 🤣

[@tiki-ed5573]

Two trees sent me a printer that wouldn't level, firmware would not load, and motherboard was completely fried on arrival. Was never able to use. This was my 6th 3d printer so I know what I'm doing. They completely refused to make it right. I will never buy from them again.

[@TommyShlong]

Do you have any recommendations for a company that repairs 3d printers?

[@pheenix42]

Someone tried something similar with a motorcycle part I'd been looking for. Claimed he was in Florida, but the UPS tracking number he provided was from UPS international, and that's when the alarms went off in my head. Don't worry, he didn't get my money.

[@eugene4154]

Great vid fella, yeh there are plenty of these scams not only for 3d printers, the craziest one I seen is for a lathe for $49. And if you buy it you get a free gift...the combined values were close to $1000.00, but as you find, this is not the only "guy" doing it, , there were at least 5 such sellers all with same customer service email, and not one ever replied when asked about operating voltage😂😂

[@lfthzmrk]

"It was really hard for me to say those words out loud" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Batenkaito]

Lol, if you pay close attention to the "wonderful little profilepicture" of scammer 3 you'll notice it's the same picture scammer 1 is showing in his messages.

[@pv8685]

joel i have to say this: for me you are the 3d printing god!

[@Zachary3DPrints]

Yeah I have had several of those too. For me the same story, paying for the shipping cost, which I didn't fall for it

[@mururoa7024]

Scammers are sometimes hilarious. Their English is priceless.

[@OldGuyAdventure]

Great video. I have in the past used whois on compromised websites to find out the owner of the page and then flagged the host that the URL is compromised. I have seen so many hits on pages I manage into our firewalls from India and China especially, and they are using attacks on the site which some people may forget about and could leave a page exposed. Now if a scammer is using a VPN with multiple bounces you can't generally log their IP origin as the VPN server suppresses the man in the middle collection. A friend of mine works at some of the big Indian tech companies and he says what has been happening is the It industry is very competitive and they only take the lowest wage people, so you get people who work within these companies for a year or so and have experience and this would force a wage increase, but they get paid off. In some instances, the people go on to write the software they used while being in a tech company which would be breach of copywrite or they seek hacking.

[@3DJapan]

One thing is that a lot of companies, Creality included, will go through a third party to handle reviews. So some of these things may be legit but just feel shady. They say they represent Creality but don't have a Creality address.

[@knifeyonline]

you don't know creality email address?! 😆 how did they think that line of reasoning was going to work... omg. Made me laugh.

[@TechJeeper]

You need to collaborate with Kitboga on some more of these!

[@scarfa21]

hes the best lol

[@piratetv1]

This was more Atomic Shrimp style

[@critter42]

Did you notify PayPal about the compromised account?

[@michellelawhorn6220]

I've seen quite a lot where someone, usually someone either brand new or has never made a post in that group before, will make a post asking things like "why do you think 3D printing has lasted so long?" or "what is the future of 3D printing?". They'll use that engagement to lure people to them then try to say they'll make 3D models for them if they just pay with Bitcoin or something. Sad part is those scammers are more sophisticated than the ones in other hobby groups (most common ones I see otherwise are "I'm blessing the first [###] people to inbox me with [$$$$$]", "I'm giving away a PS5 my child had, but they died and I just can't bear to look at it", and "no one has found the number that's different from the others, find it and I'll give you [$$$]"). It's just so bizarre to me that it's so widespread and that people still fall for the dumbest scam attempts.

[@joeshmoe7967]

I would be tempted to make on offer for the shipping, say $5.00, just to see if they bite at all. Or offer to pay $1000 for the printer if they pay the shipping. Then tell them you will pay when the printer arrives. Just some variation to turn it around for fun.

[@oceanic8424]

I see that your filament spools are NOT stored in a controlled environment. Do you pre-dry/dehumidify each spool prior to printing, or maybe do you use an inline drying device?

[@3DPrintingNerd]

Nope. The room air climate controlled. I’ll dry TPU but that’s it.

[@fuall6993]

Have you seen the scammer ad that says honest testers needed😅. 1 guy bought 4 used up rolls of filament from a scammer and, asked people on the group page to message Hunter because Hunter blocked him after getting his credit card 😅

[@lordquinn1605]

Did you send this info to Creality for their information ?

[@SvdSinner]

It always surprises me how little oversight Facebook does on there ads. Many are scams and many more are for products you can routinely buy substantially cheaper than their 89% off super discount price they advertise.

[@chuckthetekkie]

I've been selling stuff on the Facebook Marketplace and I only accept cash and local pickup as people have tried to scam me by sending me a fake emails saying my funds are on the way once I've shipped the item. I've had people say they will have some relative come pick up the item and once I (even though it's in the listings) tell them I can only accept cash due to scammers they end the conversation. Hmmm, I wonder why. I wish these scammers would put that energy into making the world a better place.

[@piratetv1]

I just got my first phone hijack attempt last night. They asked to send me a code and asked for my number. I told them they didn't need a Google voice number in my name to pick up free firewood

[@breannareyes2389]

I want a 3d printer so bad again it made me so happy , mine crapped out on me I have a bunch of filament I can’t wait to use but just don’t have the fund for another printer

[@PortalFPV]

I love getting scammers, because I know better. ALL who know better should waste as much of their time as possible because for every minute they are wasting on you, that's less time they are scamming someone who doesn't know better

[@Sergiodj453]

Nice work scamming the scammer!

[@_Garm_]

what was the site you used to log them ? :D

[@darren990]

lovely Joel lovely mate