4 vs 4 | F-22 Raptor Vs Su--57 | The Best 5th Gen Fighter | Digital Combat Simulator | DCS |

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[@ANDREWISNTSOGOODER]

Do a video with max afterburner!!!!

[@mochathegrande3640]

You in the F-15 (or F-16) vs Su-57 in bvr

[@berkosmansatiroglu]

7:03 9x better.

[@leeproffitt69]

Who was flying the other F-22’s? They got knocked out of the fight early.

[@BobertLee156]

Day 22 of asking for F-18 close air support. GS you choose the variant

[@lonl123]

Would be an interesting scenario with 8 experienced playes going head to head like that...now that would be incredible. You are one hell of an E-Pilot GS...love your channel.

[@5SporksGaming]

was expecting players tbh.... GS can def find 7 guys to join him....

[@reviewfam]

I was going to say the same thing I think he had some mentally handicapped wingmen in the f22s

[@garynew9637]

​@@reviewfamhahaha

[@lexwaldez]

Gambling what is probably your entire active SU-57 force in a single battle is a bold move Cotton. Let's see if it pays off.

[@ashscott6068]

I think DCS is being very generous to the Felon, too

[@kuhnville3145]

@@ashscott6068 for sure, seems to always go off the high estimates for specs

[@ltcuddles685]

@@ashscott6068 More than generous, practically a fanfic version of the aircraft.

[@traviswalker8933]

​@@ltcuddles685no one knows the actual capabilities.

[@traviswalker8933]

​@@kuhnville3145not true in the case of the F-35 which literally has a F-15 cockpit in it.

[@ArcaneActual]

Dude the 4v4 was awesome. Getting that pilot communication at the end was hilarious!

[@niallerc1969]

love how the SU57 sounds like a cylon raider in the BSG redux

[@MasonJohanson]

Battlestar galactica redux let’s fucking go!!! Props to you for recognizing it too. I’ve always loved the vipers

[@donavanperkins473]

SO SAY WE FUCKKIN ALLLLL never forget.

[@mikec8116]

I know the true capabilities of both the F-22 and Su-57 are classified so DCS is a best guess, but I can't help but think that somewhere, perhaps by both sides, a military-modded version of DCS is being used with the capabilities more accurately modeled.

[@aflyingfuk]

i would assume they have their own flight simulators with super computers running them

[@the80386]

@@aflyingfuk for sure. with fluid simulation based air and real physics based flight dynamics. wish I could see and use those simulators in person.

[@denisl2760]

@@the80386 you can, just sign up lol

[@netwrkguy]

And a REAL DARKSTAR or 4 too

[@timsullivan4566]

"Oh, THERE he is... What's up, buddy?" LOL!😆😆😆

[@goingoutonmyshield2811]

7:44 was an absolutely wicked maneuver reversing that turn on him like that

[@nathanreece1743]

“I can’t accept a surrender, that plane must die.” Love it!

[@felixmalotka6680]

so you got no honour.

[@nathanreece1743]

@@felixmalotka6680 none…none whatsoever

[@-007-2]

@@felixmalotka6680- it's not dishonourable to kill the machine. He gave the pilot warning.

[@bluefox9436]

Tbh I feel like the Su 57 is much more scary than the F22 because ppl tend to underestimate it severely whilst thinking the F22 is some kind of modern age Wonderweapon that is invincible to everything

[@tannerjones6564]

The f22 has better tech, the Su 57 is the better jet when it comes to maneuverability and looks. Like anything the Russians touch, it usually turns to shit

[@Tunez1976]

@@tannerjones6564Какие технологии? Этому самолёту почти 20 лет. СУ-57 это современный самолёт . И справедливости ради хочу заметить, что технологии обоих засекречены так что делать выводы на предположения не совсем правильно. У СУ -57 есть свой беспилотник посмотри ОХОТНИК называется работающий синхронно с ним, у вас есть что то подобное?

[@jathiyakhan720]

​@@tannerjones6564 this type of thinking is a recipe fr defeat

[@HyperScorpio8688]

Well, that's because it is...

[@bluefox9436]

@@HyperScorpio8688 Not even close to it - it's a good airframe, but there are several jets out there that are more than capable of bringing it down.

[@raunakaman884]

And here comes the stealth experts...

[@heiditiso4995]

I know

[@Saltfly]

So good you can’t even see them

[@ChrisRedfieldsbloodline]

@@Saltfly You can definitely hear them though.

[@Saltfly]

@@ChrisRedfieldsbloodline full afterburners

[@Panic_Gaming_]

Hey man, I'm rather new to watching dcs gameplay in general (maybe like a month ) and I really appreciate it when you zoom in on the radar and give a brief little description of what's on there and the arrows as well. Really helps newbies like myself

[@seatedliberty]

So were the other three F-22 computer controlled and just sucked, or did the Felon suddenly become much more effective against stealth?

[@xxZerosumxx]

Im betting computer controlled.

[@pigeonpoo1823]

Exactly. If the 22's were gonna be that rubbish, the USAF may as well have just sent in some F4's or some other outdated cannon fodder

[@Migthunder]

​@@jdo8405 excatly people underestimate the felon

[@francom8938]

@@Migthunder And rightfully so considering it has the capabilites of a 4.5 gen fighter lmao

[@thedishonoredamerican129]

​@francom8938 I think that is being quite generous.

[@Trades46]

Would love to see this fight on the other side, playing as the SU-57

[@SE-tc3cr]

My thoughts exactly, Americans be like F22 booyahh !!!!, but I suspect the reality is that the SU57 is comparable and pilot skill makes the difference.

[@dreaminknight]

​@@SE-tc3crRCS of the SU57 is substanitally higher and radar tech as well sensors of Russians jave in the past always been inferior. The SU57 may be however very agile but thats it.

[@cooolek2126]

​@@SE-tc3cr If it comes to dogfighting then yeah it could be the same, but its RCS is so much higher that it's much easier to lock onto it, so it gives an F-22 a clear advantage.

[@ThePointlessBox_]

@@dreaminknight we know nothing about the RCS of the felon

[@lepermessiyah5823]

@@ThePointlessBox_ Except the IRS-T isnt exactly what you want on the front of a stealth aircraft...

[@firebald2915]

Those 3 Raptors needed that cork screw defence against those missiles, GS.

[@pukhrajsinghkang6998]

Man this was more of 1 V 4. Than a 4 v 4. This is some ingenious stuff right there!

[@IliyaOsnovikov]

I am wondering why those SAMs almost never hit any planes in DCS despite the fact that they are way more potent than any air to air missiles.

[@traviswalker8933]

In his last F-22 mission video, the SAM actually hit a Su-57 chasing after him.

[@csjrogerson2377]

Returned radar energy works on the inverse 4th power Law (inverse square outbound and inverse square returning), compound this with a very small RCS of the target and long ranges, and very little energy, if anything gets back to the SAM radar. Very hard to shot at what you cant see and when you can see, you need enough to get a solution. Thus the SAMs effective range is reduced.

[@DeeSnow97]

ground-based missiles have to put a hell of a lot more energy into climbing to altitude and getting up to speed compared to air-to-air missiles. they also have a very static launch platform that the enemy can easily outmaneuver. they're great for point defense (at least until you get some wild weasels showing up, your location is compromised, and a few low-observable aircraft bomb you to kingdom come) but they're not a replacement for competent fighter jets.

[@JBell9800]

Can the Russians even field 4 -57s at once? I’d bet they don’t have that many airworthy. 😂

[@guilhermesimaogontijosilva4987]

Is it just me or anyone else also thinks that the SU-57 sounds like a Tie fighter .

[@jamesroseii]

Those little nose twitches of that injured Felon was almost like watching a fish that someone threw up on the bank gulp air as it slowly dies...

[@JJJackson-lz1te]

Run your 4 ship 10 miles in trail. Have lead TWS volley 4 and go cold. Make all adversaries defend when 2 comes in and volleys 4 more and go cold. When 3 gets there, same same. And for 4 if anything is left. Try the volleying relay for a line abreast adversary.

[@cshan2313]

so...im going to assume dropping gear is universal fighter pilot signal of spare the plane? xD

[@Presidentofthepresident]

It’s a way of surrendering in a dogfight. It’s rarely ever been used, though.

[@tutel9496]

I like how the last felon got hit by an aim-9 and goes "nah, it's not worth it anymore" Jokes aside, the pilot was probably knocked out though

[@TheThewulasvegas]

I feel like in a four ship of F 22s you got three more F 22s than you need.

[@justintime41776]

Fun fact: you can actually surround the enemies with one F22.

[@justsomeguywithlasereyes9920]

@@justintime41776 What in the goddang?!!

[@pajownik]

​@@justintime41776looks like GS did just that. 😂

[@WolfHowl71]

I think the Russians should rename any missile the Felon fires to "Shank" and "Shiv".

[@MatthewTyreeKS]

Hahahaha, yes!

[@RT42069]

The internal weapons bay is the "kiester"

[@MatthewTyreeKS]

​@@RT42069I like that, or perhaps, his "prison wallet"..?!

[@guyd7924]

It wouldn`t make sense since we don`t call them felons

[@Kaiju3301]

Would it be possible to do a little slider bar on screen so we can see what your throttle settings are throughout the fight?

[@ThePolish2107]

Actually yeah, I think it would be pretty cool to have this information if possible

[@scythebrutix6155]

This was the best video i've seen from you in a while. Nice one!

[@BullsMahunny]

8:33 my man has that Ace Combat plot armor.

[@The_TownDrunk1]

I love watching your videos, they are not only entertaining but educational as well! Keep it up GS!

[@mriegger]

Its always a turkey shoot when you put GS in the F-22

[@miriamweller812]

Helps when it's a videogame and not reality.

[@atomf9143]

Congrats! You killed 30% of the entire Su-57 serial production batch in one mission!

[@heatblast876]

Congratulations, SU57 is able to destroy 50% of the entire outdated model batch of F22 raptors in just one match.

[@Needs_Tzel]

@@heatblast876There’s over 100 F22 raptors manufactured and all of them are combat ready. There’s only 12 SU-57’s that have been produced EVER and only 3 fly and 4 are striped down props

[@heatblast876]

@@gygyma outdated.

[@user-uj3gf6rh7n]

​@@Needs_Tzelне знаешь, не говори!

[@Bozothcow]

So bring a couple more guys and it'll be a fair fight...

[@markbolatete5325]

by far one of your best videos!!! thank you and more power to your channel :)

[@rvanleersum]

Not sure if it's been asked and/or answered before, but how does DCVS rate/compare the RCS of the 57 to that of the 22 or 35?

[@42icee]

Love your channel....just getting back into DCS after several years off. Excited to jump back in it

[@subpilot1000]

A real nail biter! You had me on the edge of my seat man!

[@ThePretender1]

That was some nice 5th gen flying my brother. Gave me goose bumps!

[@martincalero7390]

They should give Meteors to the F-22.

[@maxcichon2557]

Cool! Where did you find 4 flyable Su57's?

[@stolek6908]

Does f 22 fly either ?

[@Ace-tb5bc]

@@stolek6908 yes

[@TechLoverforever313]

​@Ace-tb5bc you sure about that? 😂😂

[@seanfenick9375]

It has at least 1 air to air kill. Yes. It was a balloon. Still a better k/d ratio than a fellon

[@areus2016]

There was an official picture released of a SU-57 with the number 011 on the side a while ago...

[@m.searay4629]

Need sign in your Raptor weapons bay that says "All Gone" 😁

[@oliverlarsen6768]

You have really reignited my interest in flightsims/combatsims, guess i have to build myself a pc again and start playing.

[@kimvaccaro2786]

Felons a great name for a plane but raptors eat felons

[@gavinwagner1766]

You've got your intro/outro's down! Bad ass bro! Great vid!

[@SSJ4Brohan]

I dig the bit of WW1 chivalry at the end. 😎 Speaking of, WW1: Bandit Unknown? Just for shits? 👀🙏🏼

[@patrickreindel692]

"Poor guy. I wish I could let him go but, he's a Felon" Said EVERY Cop ever.

[@nastygen4]

Video not near long enough but man I’m great fun for the constant push of content we get from you bud.

[@Lee-sti8wrx]

Just what I wanted to see man. Great video.

[@WordToMomsYo]

I hope Pyotr didn't take that last shoot down personally --- it's strictly business when it comes to these big, pricey, dangerous planes. Can't let those things continue to serve in active fighter squadrons. Besides, the way GS handled things, Pyotr was able to punch out and live to fight another day.

[@patrickdavis8271]

Excellent video GS! Any chance of running a sim using the F-22, SU-57 and J-31 as hostiles coming to the merge in a single video? Maybe a best of 3? The differences in aircraft and tactics would be interesting to see.

[@traviswalker8933]

DCS doesn't have J-31.

[@patrickdavis8271]

@@traviswalker8933 You are right. I meant the Chengdu J-20.

[@ejune98]

Stealth fighters have no choice but to enter dangerously close distance to engage each other. Interesting (at least in dcs)

[@chrispowell6992]

I love this channel so much. My day is not complete without it. ❤

[@adrianbroome7236]

OUTSTANDING video. Should be called Top Gun 3.

[@TecraTube]

best intro ever. and I've seen pretty much all of your videos

[@johnnyrocketa1257]

If there are no video for tomorrow, don't worry people, it's just GS being court martialled for the "event" that happened at 9:57 😂 Nice fight, though😉

[@Dki101]

I love the gun door opening with malicious intent 😂

[@SE-tc3cr]

Not a fan of Russian leadership but the SU57 is a cool looking airframe

[@CelticApollyon]

Agreed. If looks could kill, the 57 might actually be as dangerous as Russia claims.

[@ericcrilley8871]

9xs came up clutch after those amrams absolutely let u down

[@dan725]

“I mean I wish I can let him go, but he’s a FELON!” HAAAAAAAAAH…..

[@lith0s094]

The last 2 felons reminded me of top gun's migs it's a 1v2 but they came in front of gs one by one to show how much of a gentlemen they were.

[@DK-ig8zi]

It seems, with those stealth jets, that because they detect each other at close distances then the missiles fired are much more dangerous because of the close range.

[@miriamweller812]

In reality anti stealth radars will discover them from far away, making the stealth absolutely pointless. You could sneak around between mountains, but for that you need no stealth at all, that's just the mountains.

[@PatriotPlus179]

@@miriamweller812 Anti-stealth radar? It doesn't exist or the U.S. & China wouldn't be spending billions on stealth fighters and bombers.

[@Needs_Tzel]

@@miriamweller812Anti stealth radars still can’t provide any sort of weapon solution in conventional warfare. I emphasize conventional cause we’ve got stuff that is 1,000x more powerful than any fighter ever produced but it’s behind closed doors and is the real reason USA has over 30trillion dollar debt.

[@slay4karaka351]

what a good vid to end the month on

[@mikestubblefield7468]

This is badass... I love these videos.

[@Catfoolyou]

If you listen closely at 3:20, you could hear a sound very similar to the DSPSTOP sound effect from Doom 2. Interesting. Otherwise, great video.

[@michaelj4009]

Was this pvp? These videos have become one of the primary reasons I open a YT tab. Excellent work.

[@bradkessler4792]

Heyyyyy caught a GS vod early today😄

[@horusfalcon]

You display such nobility, trying to spare the life of the pilot. Bravo!

[@nando03012009]

When will people learn that the felon is not a stealth aircraft. That thing is invisible. It's so invisible no one has seen one in combat. Haha

[@pandasonic1294]

Yeah not funny.

[@12B0692]

Would love to see F22/F35 vs Su57/J20/30 matchup.

[@MadCDeeJay]

Felon puts down gear, GS: "anyway, warcrime time"

[@danielmarroquin8685]

Well done with tha felon you did good!

[@wisemysticalf-1437]

this is basically the only working SU-57’s vs a taste of our air force

[@amazin7006]

All su57s vs one Alaska base 😂

[@miriamweller812]

Russia got thousands of anti air systems and radar and ECM that just abolishes stealth. Good luck in reality where you won't have such ridiculosu scenarios.

[@robertm8401]

What a bloody battle.

[@MichaelMoore-mx6id]

This is the content I crave

[@bowlander]

That was a fast fight. Blink and you are done.

[@BlakeJoy]

I'm surprised those AMRAAM's didn't track. Especially considering the felony definitely doesn't have a good rear aspect ratio

[@LightningSaix]

I dont know how good DCS is at modeling aspect ratio differences by facing. It might just be as simple as "this plane as this size cross section" and just a flat value like that.

[@ItzRetro2019]

*video recommendation* KF21 vs Other 5th gen fighters like f35-f22-j20-su57 or even against NK air force

[@PotatoSolutions]

I feel bad for that last guy. ): I’m glad the pilot made it out.

[@NightWar28]

I would like to see 4 vs 4 dogfight with only guns (without missiles)

[@solowingborders3239]

J-20 vs Su-57 from J-20s POV would be a fun watch.

[@coolermoves]

Definition 👍of F-22 is EXTRAORDINARY ! 🔥

[@alanpattee4383]

Great job

[@kristopherbrowne5306]

does DCS have the SU-47? the forward swept wing one? i wanna see THAT in a dogfight

[@Arcilios]

The raptor is so menacing and intimidating man. The us really perfected the fighter jet 25 years ago. Love the scream of the su 57 engines though

[@YYCH2]

Miss the time that you did like 3v3 BVR with your friends and did Tacview review with each other afterward.

[@InitialP_Photography]

Brutal last kill, no Fff's given

[@icaleinns6233]

wow, HORRIBLE luck with the missiles there.

[@Christopher-cr7pw]

Your Definitely an Ace with DCS

[@beatboxbuggi6884]

Would like to see the eye tracking make a return, this video would have been great with it!

[@milsworld3129]

Aww missed opportunity! You should have flown above him inverted and gave him the finger before shooting him down. =D

[@red_moon_7760]

Mobius 1, engage!

[@johnohare9419]

This is still an economical win for the Felons. At 80 million USD for each F22, the SU57 costs 35 million USD each. So the score is 140 vs 240...

[@MrComplainer]

Wall of F22s vs. A Wall of F35s. The ultimate stealth fight

[@daltonv5206]

apparently the Felon is invisible from the side and rear. amram's went the opposite direction.

[@cloudforest4087]

It's interesting how a marvel of engineering can turn into a charred mess real quickly.

[@55Dag]

That last felon came in hot probably hoping to catch you in the fight. But obviously didn't see you and over shot. Oops.

[@1badjesus401]

... simply awesome👍

[@desertfresh3740]

Would pulling up the lock on the Fox2 on the last Felon tell him that you're gonna shoot? Since the gun gives no warning?

[@BRANSKI-1911]

Great Channel GS. I never viewed a video of yours that was not interesting.

[@geraldsahd3413]

Very theoretical engagement as we are not sure Russia has 4 operational Felons..

[@hiteshadhikari]

Pretty sure there are few dozen but then, american fanboyism has no end

[@stolek6908]

FANBOYISM HAHAH SWEETMOTHER OF GOD@@hiteshadhikari

[@infinitetk4165]

And your statement based on what? There’s literally photos serial produced su-57s all over the internet

[@amazin7006]

@@hiteshadhikari And only 4 have been seen flying while 0 have the new engines which limits their top speed and t:w ratio is the worst of any 5th gen.

[@hiteshadhikari]

​@@amazin7006f 35 has worse twr Fuly loaded its less than .90 for f35 For felon its .97 for fully loaded Also su 57 uses older su 35 engines which are inherently problem less but the sole reason newer engines are developed is for more twr and inherently more power etc. F35 engines have started showing issues if u realise with engines having too much wear and unable to reach max stated thrust But then , it doesnt make headlines I guess

[@guitarlover42]

Would you ever do video where you are the f35 would be interesting to see how it competes with the field in bvr