40K Rules Update - T'au Mont'ka CHANGED and Legends Confirmed

Let's talk about the latest 40K rules update for the T'au Empire with a look at how the Mont'ka detachment is being altered...
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0:00 Intro
0:28 T'au Rules and Points Updates
4:04 The Mont'ka Rules Issue
5:35 The 'Fix'
9:25 Otherwise for the Update
10:48 Outro

[@ResillyusXD]

My older brother recently bought a R'varna and a Barracuda. Which basically means he spent $300 each on a 50/50 chance to be able to use them.

[@BlackSheep729]

and most people are ok with it, which fascinates me considering the outcry sony did get recently.

[@Karth557]

I just sold R'varna and barracuda and two Y'barnsi lucked out. feel pretty bad for the other dudes

[@brettmal5298]

GW really should give like a 6 month notice before sending things to legends… having something become non playable when you’re almost finished painting it sucks…

[@LychgateWraith]

@@BlackSheep729 From some ungodly reason GW has a lot of corporate cocksuckers. Then again, what's to be expected from a community that treated Stringstorm's crimes as just an "oopsie" and as long as he said he was sorry he was all good? Or hey, how about people still gladly supporting NQA after she fucking doxxed the GW NDA whistleblower? Granted, she doxxed him with all the private info that fuckin Goobertown Hobbies gave her after he acted like a creep in her DMs.

[@thomashutchinson1]

​​@@brettmal5298 More than that. With the price of some items it should probably be the 'length of an edition' notice

[@KamilDrakari]

Clearly the Mont'ka change is a buff because now we can advance and shoot with the Tidewall Gunrig. Watch out for this upcoming meta strategy

[@burnin8able]

Tau fortifications are conceptually so cool, it's a shame fortifications in general kinda suck.

[@christerprestberg3973]

Sad about the Rvarna and YVahra, really liked those models

[@ErgonomicChair]

The loss of the Barracuda hits me hard... I love it so much.

[@Peelioka]

It was in DoW Soul Storm as well, iconic just like the Greater Knarloc.

[@CerbaraNightwell-ny4ll]

its 1000 times better than the flyers in the codex. I am so so pissed thy got rid of it.... whats the point in forgeworld stuff anymore? there just going to throw thema ll away in the end and lol at us for spending money on them

[@ErgonomicChair]

@@CerbaraNightwell-ny4ll It's this insane "appeal to normies" thing GW has going on, where they think that making 40k casual they'll get a bigger market. The thing though is that... tabletop wargames are not something casuals go for .

[@porterwilson6104]

Tetras where removed the day my tetras arrived

[@NatchoDragon]

:(

[@paulosantos3073]

Rip

[@nicholasd7107]

Sorry bro that’s tough!

[@bigbonehead24]

Just finished painting my first of 2

[@sean2549]

Any old models they make op are definitely about to get axed. They did it to the scout snipers too

[@flawlessscowboy7248]

Whats the point of buying a rule book if its going to have some of its rules invalidated BEFORE it even releases?

[@Chunkypumpkinhead]

Welcome to warhammer 40k. Don't EVER buy books or cards from them unless you like whiteout and highlighters.

[@lako360]

you must be new here

[@chinaman8888]

Because they lock an army's rules behind you purchasing these books. Once a codex releases, an armies rules are no longer free on the app, you gotta enter the code included in a codex copy. It is absolute bullshit, and I can only pray GW changes this mentality before the hobby is on it's deathbed (even dedicated fan's wallets/patience have an expiration date).

[@BoisegangGaming]

This is why rules should be free and codexes should be Lore and art with maybe some fun stuff in-game that isn't essential (i.e. "Here's a scenario to play based off this event from the codex")

[@arc4830]

@@chinaman8888 You must be new to the internet lol, people pay for the codex pdf?

[@Admiralkirk95]

It was weird before cause it was basically units would just spontaneously gain assault after moving and going into shooting phase. You sort of had to plan a tiny bit ahead that your advances would work or not but make sure your guiding units weren't moving fast unless they had a gun drone. This stream lines it and make the detachment be both more flexible, but also more restrictive since you must guide to benefit the lethals.

[@FionaAnstian]

They wouldn't gain assault though. How it was worded before made it so the only units with a detachment rule were units with assault already on the sheet.

[@Admiralkirk95]

@@FionaAnstian Incorrect, the book right beside me says that. For the greater good says "Each time you select a unit to shoot, if it is not an observer unit, it can use this ability. If it does, select one other friendly unit with this ability that is also eligible to shoot' implying that the unit must be able to shoot to be an observer Then in the original description of Mont'ka it says during the first,second and third battle round, ranged weapons equipped by Tau empire models from your army have lethal hits ability. While a unit is a guided unit(See for the greater good) its ranged weapons have the assault ability as well" this means because the greater good must be done in the shooting phase you effectively had to sprint half your army(Or people with markerlight drone, not sure if they explaiend if gun drones count cause it has assault)) in movement phase, then start spotting with anyone who has assault or markerlight drone to people who also sprinted and then they jsut spontaneously gain assault to shoot while being guided.

[@FionaAnstian]

@@Admiralkirk95 how were you selecting a unit to shoot when it isn't eligible to be selected for shooting?

[@Admiralkirk95]

@@FionaAnstian cause you choose to spot first with the unit that is spotting then the unit that sprinted spontaneously gained assault so they could shoot. Atleast this is what the devs intended but it was written incredibly badly so they made it simpler now, everyone just has assault to avoid these 'rulles as written' vs 'rules as intended' problems.

[@FionaAnstian]

@@Admiralkirk95 I definitely agree that was the intent, but I'm not sure how you'd word the rule to work with FtGG so I understand needing to change it. FtGG needs a unit eligible to shoot before it gains guided.

[@NecroGoblin-yl2fx]

well interesting to give all assault and then Lethals if guided. will make a fast moving army where you can chose witch units to hit harder.

[@fendelphi]

Indeed. I am not even sure it is such a big damage nerf. Now you can have your entire army advance and shoot with all their weapons, rather than only the guided units.

[@Kingofdragons117]

I was honestly kinda upset at first when Montka was first annouced as a IG player since we got to remain stationary to get Lethals, meanwhile Tau got Lethals and potentially assault at the same time. Only 3 turns sure, but those are the turns that matter the most.

[@IAmTheDawn]

Happy to see these changes roll out, good for the game and balance. Losing the R'varna/Y'vara/Barracuda is bad though, those are fun units to play

[@Thedeadincursus]

I hope this is an indicator that other Riptide variants might be released through GW itself instead of FW

[@chaosof99]

As someone who has a lot of experience playing Space Marines with the Firestorm Assault Force Detachment, I actually rather like the change. For one, it gives your spotter units more freedom to move, be able to spot and keep away from enemy fire and charges. It also allows Devilfish to advance and still fire their Seeker Missiles after dropping off a Breacher Team and spotting for them. It might be less powerful overall in terms of killing capacity, but 10th Edition is very much about movement and having a highly mobile army is not something that should be easily dismissed.

[@captaincoolbreeze9429]

Small correction or addition regarding the Mont'ka detachment not having any means to extend the detachment rule into later turns. The Exemplar of the Mont'ka enhancement grants a leader and their unit the detachment rule for turn 4.

[@ianbabcock6802]

I was looking through the codex and found out that nearly half of my army is in legends now.

[@Twuggus]

Wonder when I will be able to buy the codex in Australia. I know it got delayed but even the stores were able to give me an eta.

[@scammbledeggs2707]

Chaos leaks looking spicy though. Hope you get some sleep this week Auspex 👍

[@petermccall1185]

As an IW player with a love of daemon engines, I'd have to agree!

[@DominatorLegend]

Barracuda > Sun Shark "Barracuda, airborne!"

[@HMlGrimhelistin]

Why did they keep then manta that's 2.1k points by itself out of legends. then put the actually usable battlesuits in legends

[@markus1351]

barracuda R'varna and y'vahra seem odd

[@555tork]

honestly because of the wording in codex this feels more like they are correcting a typo for the mont'ka detachment. sucks that the barracuda and riptide variants are gone too, would've also liked some new characters to replace the ones we lost, overall I think the rules themselves are fine.

[@adept5500]

I agree, I’m dyslexic and read it three times before I was convinced I wasn’t flipping assualt and Lethal in my head.

[@stotgunvsface5092]

One thing I have been having some success with is a kauyon stormsurge with darkstrider+pathfinder for guiding. Since you can change your spotted target once during your turn, you can shoot the scary rail gun and destroyer missiles at any armor and then swap your guiding to an infantry squad for your anti personnel weapons. Add in the enhancement for lethal hits on guiding and that is a lot of firepower.

[@daviddussiaume8512]

That doesn't work. All attacks for a model are declared simultaneously. So you can swap guiding target in the middle of that model shooting. In Kauyon what works better is using the Stormsurge to guide for something smaller then using the strat to get the benefit of being guided against your observed unit. You can then split fire without penalty after that but won't have the benefit of being guided against the split unit. Hope that helps.

[@stotgunvsface5092]

@daviddussiaume8512 that rule could be written more clearly. As I read it, you can swap which unit is spotted but not the guided? FTGG is a really confusing rule at times. Especially for people like me who are new to the faction. That, and I just want the stormsurge to be good. It looks so cool but needs FTGG to get the most out of its big guns, and then cannot split fire as 5 ups with my luck to hit results in 3 hits with all of the anti personnel weapons...

[@quingo1139]

​@stotgunvsface5092 I'm not entirely sure how you're getting that interpretation, but the whole point of it is that 2 of your units work as a pair to target one enemy unit. You can't swap what your observer unit is spotting in the middle of shooting. As the other comment said, coorfinate to engage is a better way to still boost the stormsurge without any significant penalty, especially since most of its guns have the heavy keyword, so it's even better if you sit still.

[@stotgunvsface5092]

@@quingo1139 I can see where I went wrong on it. I’ve only played 2 games with tau and only started playing 40K 2 months ago. Even still. Darkstrider with pathfinders still seems like a good guiding unit. Lethal with the enhancement and sustained 2 on round 3 up still feels like a worthwhile unit to have. The rail rifles have a good range and having 2 observations for broadsides and some other heavy tau guns. It may not have the rerolls or cost of the stealth suits, but there are some benefits.

[@calummcclelland3360]

​@stotgunvsface5092 Darkstrider is an 'epic hero' model so also can't take enhancements sadly

[@stevewaite381]

Godspeed, Barracuda

[@treykenley3499]

They cut some Tau characters and replaced them with new kroot stuff. Then they removed popular forge world stuff for what reason? Also if you have Lethal hits and Deviating wounds do they still activate? Seen that go both ways.

[@torinnbalasar6774]

Devastating Wounds gets skipped on the crit rolls that triggered Lethal Hits because they don't roll to wound. I don't remember the exact math, but I think it's a worse combination than just Dev Wounds against low toughness high save units.

[@ryanwaits6733]

And then they made most Kroot stuff too expensive to be competitive

[@FionaAnstian]

​@ryanwaits6733 they didn't though. Puretide Program was calling it the best detachment in the book based solely on the in book points costs, and most every competitive Tau player agrees 75pts for 10 OC2 sticky objective kroot bodies is excellent.

[@FionaAnstian]

Auspex I love your videos and watch every single one of them. People hopeful for a strong kroot detachment, please check out other KZbinrs on the subject. Literally every top tier tau player says 75pt carnivores are excellent. At least one of the best tau players in the world says the Hunting Pack is bar none the strongest detachment in the book, and given he was consistently scoring 95-100 points in every test game he did using the points in the back of the codex it's hard to agree with auspex on the strength of those units.

[@danielrye1989able]

I can't find the updated legends rules that include the extra units. Can anyone help please?

[@cenomnestpasvalide2201]

Well it might be time for me to look for some second hand tetras and yvahra for cheap lol

[@cyberware5323]

Mont'ka seems more balanced now. Being faster is good, and not as lethal as before is good too. Some playstyles suck the joy out of the game for the opponent. Super tanky bricks like custodes, or losing your entire army in rounds 2-3 isn't fun at all. Auspex did a video about the topic, the most annoying armies to play against, something in this direction.

[@gavinziozios1431]

And what is it, do tell?

[@typicalneet]

Honestly, not nearly as bad as I thought it would. I expect some point decreases in the coming months, but as far as I can tell it doesn’t seem that bad. Unfortunately I can’t test my theory until next month since I’m not home.

[@Snaek1]

gw wondering why the new kroot releases - for a very minor subfaction in a xeno faction, which already doesnt get enough love and has been gutted for a whole year - arent selling 🤯

[@triplea657aaa]

Mont'ka is still probably the best, but by less now. I think the guiding change for Kau'yon is very good and retaliation cadre seems too meta-dependent for singles.

[@joshsmith1179]

Thanks! These FAQ's always make me laugh. "Everyone knew what they meant". Yeah, probably, until the tournament players get a hold of said rule and break the game wide open. Lol.

[@jacobcarlson8576]

The update left a sour taste in my mouth, when I was excited about Tau

[@TheSniperGTO]

So I just painted up two Tetras, an R’varna, an Y’Vahra, and two Remora Drones. These were highly detailed, extremely well painted models (I paint and sell them as a side hustle), and now they are useless. Between this, adding in female Custodes, and some other questionable decisions Games Workshop has recently made, this might signal the end of my relationship with 40K I’ve had since 1st Edition.

[@adept5500]

If that will end it for you, I’m amazed you made it this long.

[@Ayeohx]

I'm looking forward to playing with the Montka rules. The Legends changes are always BS. If GW made it then they should support it. People pay WAY too much money for this hobby and having their gear go to Legends feels like being ripped off.

[@adept5500]

I mean, they could do what most games do and invalidate everything when you change editions, and make the next edition all new models.

[@Imaheretic_]

Csm full codex leaked. New "Word bearer" detatchment is an abomination of an excuse of a legion themed detachment. Looking forward to hear your thoughts on it.

[@FinxOmally]

Only thing I have purchased from Froge World is a Wraithseer. Which is pretty much just an upgrade sprew for a Wraithlord. So not too worried. But a lot of Codex’s coming out are just feeling like nerfs, with some exceptions. Did they just not like the state of the game they published at 10th launch? Such a weird move.

[@tssteelx]

Its almost like gw doesn't want you to play tau.

[@Snaek1]

3 tau detachments (+1 only benefiting kroot which no one uses because auxilleries havent been supported for the last 20 years) says a lot

[@francoabad4911]

Did they fix a codex released after Dark Angels one...????!!!!!

[@Chunkypumpkinhead]

This might sound crazy.... But's I'm not sure the Tau have the firepower to necessitate that many assault advance moves. Like is it just me or are Tau like, not really all that great at shooting? Like they're good, but I'm not sure that they deserve the reputation that they have. especially since Crisis Suits lost so much firepower (the third gun, not just CIBs)

[@markus1351]

Tau were never that great a gunline, tau are good at movement,... the firepower is onyl strong on a few selected units,...

[@keyanklupacs6333]

Wow that clunky ass guided requirement is so lame just make it work like koyoun jfc.

[@johnlong8952]

This is the last pyshical copy of any codex I'm buying from GW. They couldnt even go 1 damn week without having to change a key aspect of a detachment. Do they even test stuff anymore? And they expect $60 USD?

[@Kingofdragons117]

They shouldn't even be selling rulebooks at this point and time honestly. Just sell Lore books ffs.

[@Snaek1]

why even buy this one then? just pirate it and buy from ebay/3rd party/3d printed stuff. its so much cheaper and most of the time better quality

[@UnsolicitedContext]

Hate the plastic tau flyers so much, and love the barracuda

[@JohnDoe-rp7mf]

How do they always miss rules?? This is a multi million dollar company. Some proofreading before going to press would do

[@Ropsuguy]

Im still waiting for them to take off the stupid -1 to hit when split firing when guided, leading often, to guiding multiple units into 1 target to make sure it gfalls, only to destroy it with the first unit and getting -1 to hit on EVERY POSSIBLE TARGET that other unit could shoot. If we could get that removed, tau could afford to get some points n erfs to make them less hordey, i think everyone would win in that case.

[@555tork]

you nominate guided units one at a time so if you destroy the target with your first unit the second can just target something else with no penalties.

[@archer9480]

While I do agree that the random and pointless built-in nerf is incredibly stupid and only serves to make Tau worse overall while still being overly convoluted... You only assign Guided/Observer/Spotted Units when you select a unit to shoot during your shooting phase. Meaning if your first unit kills their target, then you can move on to another unit and target, choosing another Observer and giving your 2nd shooter the bonus of being Guided. As a little trick you can do on the side: Acting as an Observer does not make them no longer eligible to shoot. Meaning that you could have your Observers shoot too, or... You can have them act as an Observer, then do an action that normally replaces their shooting (Investigate Signals, Deploy Teleport Homer, Cleanse, Scorched Earth). The important part to remember is this: You can do Actions/Shooting after Observing. You can *NOT* Observe for someone else after doing an Action or Shooting.

[@555tork]

@@Snaek1 I know what split firing is the original comment was claiming that units you guide all your units at once meaning that if the first destroyed the spotted unit subsequent units suffered the -1 BS modifier to other targets.

[@Snaek1]

@@555tork ah ok then sorry

[@Surkil]

so they could have altered Custodes rules on release...

[@ExistanceUK]

So they can "fix" and balance Tau on release but Necrons, Custodes and AdMec got what since release? Yeah ok Necrons got some balancing months after release but Tau seem to have been hit harder right out of the gate it's bizarre. Kinda like they saw everyone complain about the MFM and overcorrected here.

[@dirtyjose3263]

Comments are a toxic sludge, like most AT vids lately.

[@barri343]

Im so mad with GW...

[@THEHOLYCHAINSWORD]

Well porn bots are here

[@Tulkash01]

Slaanesh never sleeps

[@Damnedlegion40k]

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[@winstonsmith8482]

Its a cool model.. whats the point of doing this other than trying to force players to buy new models... ? How are people okay with this... ? or ANY of the things GW has done in the last few years really...? im done with them. 3D printers and 2nd-hand models go brrrr...

[@IHADTHECAKE]

Make AdMech Great again

[@thebloodyfox3763]

Even more of a reason to just play 9th or earlier editions because 10th is trash

[@Tjomi]

Wtf is even the Tau faction anymore? It's fucking shit tier all-around now. A shooty army that can't shoot. Forcing them into close combat with units that can't fight. Ffs. I'm glad I bought a resin printer.

[@kaliasfr]

Win rate will be 40-45% :( This codex is one of the most disappointing of the 10th and without doubt the worst tau codex of all the editions. Between the disappearing charismatic units, the fact that this codex is a nerf to the index and a codex that really doesn't add much to the faction ... At least there's been a small kroot update, even if it doesn't interest me. Can't wait for the 11th ! The 10th is really disappointing.

[@markus1351]

yeah especially as it's only 3 detachments,... and 2 of them are basically different kind's of mont'ka,... some vehicle focused Kau'yon would've been great

[@shaunprice284]

I like how they NERF the tau main rules but space marines can keep their broken over power rules

[@jacobcarlson8576]

The update left a sour taste in my mouth, when I was excited about Tau