Games Workshop Answers some Big 40K Rules Questions - Core Rules Errata, Commentary and FAQs

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0:00 Intro
0:26 The Commentary and FAQs
2:17 Core Rules Changes
3:07 Big Guns + Firing Deck
5:23 One-Shot
6:10 First Turn Redeploys
7:23 Gaining CP
8:03 Fast Dice
8:59 Overhanging
11:38 Who Waaaghs First?
12:29 Fight on Death
13:01 Declared Attacks + Hazardous
14:04 Turn 1 Objective Rules
15:14 Multiple Conditions Rules
16:04 Redeploys
16:58 Melta vs Damage 0
18:20 Modifying Characteristics
19:47 Battle Shocks
20:27 Transport Things
21:17 Reserves Things
22:52 Other Minor FAQs
27:10 Outro

[@VoskahMarkhov]

These massive rules overhauls are compelling evidence that printing paper rulebooks and codexes are completely pointless and a huge cash grab.

[@CaptainWwowW]

Yeah hate that you need to buy them to use them on the app. They're nowhere near as cool as they used to be

[@rufusmarmaduke5670]

Totally agree. And while we are at it, why are they even planning to do new editions? They can just keep updating perpetually.

[@kylenewnam8231]

@@rufusmarmaduke5670 they aren’t going to forgo selling you a new rulebook and codex every 3 years.

[@dmeep]

it gets you into their physical store and you rarely leave with just the book id the main reason for selling physical books

[@mattyorshin]

Yeap. Hail wahapedia

[@severdislike4222]

Aaaannnd this kind of stuff is why wahapedia is such a massively useful tool vs.... well, GW's things. More coherently formatted & frankly easier to search.

[@TMFX619]

Curious, is anyone else's Wahapedia not up to date? The last major update I see on it is the Tau Codex release (April 2024), no new codexes after that nor points updates.

[@alexzero3736]

GW didn't pass the coherency check .GW is destroyed.

[@Ayeohx]

They need to compile everything into one document. Multiple docs is not the way to go. It creates frustration and burnout.

[@logangant7732]

As a new player 1000% this!!!! Purchasing a codex and rule book and 3 months later having both invalidated makes me question why i’m getting into this game. Not updating the online rules doc doesn’t help either as my life comes first over a perfect understanding of the rules.

[@physetermacrocephalus2209]

Given how much they charge for thier products even at entry level operating like this actually comes across as disrespectful to me.

[@Standi]

I’m working on doing this now for my playgroup (paring down things we don’t need from the Core Rules like “what are dice?” and such). I’ve managed to trim the Core Rules and Balanced Dataslate into a single 19 page word doc, and will be starting on adding the Rules Commentary tonight

[@Fraudkuna9]

⁠@@logangant7732Same I’m kinda getting annoyed. I start to learn the rule and then they change massively. I barely have the core rules down and now I have to relearn my army every dataslate

[@Birdmanesp92]

I will always argue Infinity N4 does it best with an official army builder that links to an official wiki doc of all rules, organized.

[@NornQueenKya]

Fast dice is always the correct choice - glad they encouraged the reroll method

[@coldwintersknight9793]

I don't even want to try and imagine how long a 40k game would take without fast dice.

[@MsTrollzor]

You would only not fast dice when it came down to an important kill eg my warlords got one wound but I have three saves Proper game etiquette would say I roll them one at a time if I was thinking about command re-rolling because there's always the statistical chance that I failed two out of three and it's just nice for your opponent to not get cucked cause you rolled all and failed one to re roll into the pass

[@shadeslayer_yt8465]

Wait I see you everywhere. Even in majorkill's comments lmao

[@KaratePath]

They should just sell codex as artwork, lore, paint info, etc. And if anything, the QR code for the rules unlock digitally..

[@crsmith6226]

> Defeats the advantage of digital rules GW Why are you so full digital adverse? Everyone has it. Everyone has the internet in their pocket. If they don’t they’re not buying your shit anyways.

[@Dementia55372]

They make too much money selling books.

[@SoSigSisol]

my engineering masters degrees was easier than learning to play this game... lawyers have also probably an easier time understanding law

[@junkdunkster7201]

A cool video idea would be to create the perfect combat patrol for each army

[@ImperiumofRat]

if you didnt know, poorhammer did this recently :)

[@Jfk2Mr]

Twice

[@carysage]

Yeah I was Overwatching with an Impulsor full of Infernus Marines. It was pretty brutal. Ooops.....

[@wolfgangstallionmusic5639]

lol geez dude

[@vaclavzunt6835]

Don't worry man, you are not the only one.

[@Crowmetheus57]

I was planning too. Happy I had not worked it into the list yet.

[@Justomgee]

Old Marines: I took ten guys, so I can take two flamers! New Marines: Whole squad is flamers, enjoy your overwatch!

[@The_Penguin_8964]

​@@Justomgee Talking about purge your opponent😂😂😂

[@Percival121]

I found when reading the rules regarding shooting, especially hazardous and one shot weapons, a really helpful way to think of it is that whenever a unit makes its ranged attacks its done "in a salvo" all attacks fire at the same time, regardless if the target(s) die on the first weapon hit, this also helps with the line of sight rules for attacking say an infantry unit that you can only just see, all your weapons go off in a salvo and even if the one infantryman poking his head out the side is the only visible model in the unit and dies immediately, the rest of the unit "still gets hit by the salvo" even if line of sight can no longer be drawn (please correct if im wrong there, im relatively new to WAHA)

[@stripeybag6977]

You know a question that was answered for me was "Wait we can change stats besides points?!"

[@graemepotter3487]

Love 40k, played since 5th, own 5 armies of 2000pts minimum each, and have to say despite 10th being the most streamlined gameplay rules yet, i’m tired of keeping up with confusing updates constantly. I dont want to chase down rules, FAQs, points changes and erratas over multiple poorly formatted documents. Its exhausting. Fully digital rules that were easily accessible and free would bring me back full swing. Give me collector codexs printed with awesome art and lore and pictures every 18-24 months for me to buy cause im a nerd who likes art and fresh data cards every 6-8 months.

[@Internetbutthurt]

Agree. Ive lost all motivation to play this train wreck of an edition. I havent even played a game with one of my factions, CSM and its codex only just dropped and already points changes have been reversed. Now Its seems with every 'fix' GW breaks at least one other thing

[@ViolosD2I]

New recruit uses current stats and lists all rules related to units in your list.

[@purpleyurple]

Auspex, the hero of the datalsate. Always.

[@trentgarton639]

Man the “need to qualify for both to gain the benefit” is a massive change

[@Tzar-TZ]

yea i kinda hate it. especially on units like the lokhust where the 2nd requirement is completely irrelevant to the first one

[@trentgarton639]

@@Tzar-TZ this change literally kills lokhust destroyers in my lists. The first is a minor benefit but the second is why you take the unit

[@BlaskoXX]

5 vídeos in one day... I appreciate your videos, but please, give you a rest after this balance rules/datasheets videos.

[@Lionfromkrypton]

''The moment we understand the weakness of his flesh''

[@bloodyice56]

Shut up. Nobody care about how virtuous you think you are. Nobody reading your garbage comment is saying "wow you're a really thoughtful person, what a nice guy". We all know you're doing it for attention. Never make a brain dead comment like this again.

[@neilkirkley1500]

Big guns never tire.

[@crashingatom6755]

Why is some shit like this always the top comment? STFU and quit fawning for up upvotes.

[@dzstoyanov]

He’s with the Omnissiah now.

[@taavdegbuksa]

The rule for consolidate state you choose if a model will move or not, does that give you the option to just move those that can get on an objective and simply leave those that can get into combat stationary?

[@CaptainComatose]

If you can get into Engagement Range of an enemy unit you have to consolidate towards them and not an objective marker.

[@taavdegbuksa]

@@CaptainComatose but if you get to choose which models that move its suddenly a model by model basis. So simply move only those that can get onto the objective. (Stupid if thats how it works 🤣)

[@ViolosD2I]

​@@taavdegbuksaSo if there is an enemy near you can choose not to move to them, but not to the objective. Can't turn your back to someone that close I suppose.

[@grifferman]

I genuinely don't see how you could interpret the Lokhust rule any other way. "...ranged attack [that targets the closest eligible target]" is a condition. The next line can't be read as anything other than being related to the first with "If the target of [that] attack...". It's not "an attack", it's [that] attack.

[@envirobloomtv7363]

Leadership Caps at 4/9 were in the previous core rules, I noticed it when making a dread talon detachment

[@brettmal5298]

The dust that were on my deathwing knights makes me happy they can at least be used now 😂😅

[@Grooviebones]

lmao, I was just asking about embark rules yesterday and then Auspex comes out with the timely rules consolidation video. I asked because I was curious about slapping 6 eradicators and a gravis captain in a repulsor due to the new "transport 14" and using vanguard spearheads "calculated feint" to embark into the transport if they get charged.

[@JamesRibe]

The digital rules already have yesterday's updates incorporated into them and had the prior errata incorporated before that. The print and digital rules have been different for several months already. The annoying part is that they aren't updating datasheets/detachments to reflect the blanket changes to how certain types of abilities work.

[@shadowplotter]

eg Votaan gaining CP equal to the battle round

[@Verceus]

I hope GW makes adapted rules to play 2v2. Would be awesome!!

[@Sithis150th]

I love you Auspex

[@ViolosD2I]

Shame, I had missed the "no overwatch firing deck" rule. There goes my 'Fire Wagon' with 20 Burna Boys in it. :D

[@mikes2321]

Thank You

[@grubbie8614]

Dev. wounds are also now back to being mortal wounds but they dont spill.

[@PWaldo-lw2ds]

Arguably what should have been the case from the get-go, but GW was too busy snorting the crack from Eldar cosplayers' tits that they didn't stop to actually think a step ahead.

[@Itsallover57]

Making command reroll a part of fast rolling is definitely a good change. It's heartening as well because it means gw actually thinks about the people playing the game, at least a bit.

[@TheProteanGeek]

I've been arguing with a mate of mine who plays World Eaters about the Dreadnought fight back every time for so long. I play Blood Angles and thought it did activate literally every time they are attacked. He did not. I'm glad to see I am right.

[@alexandersen7390]

5 vids in a day makes me 100% believe that auspex does not sleep and is a necron

[@littlefoot4417]

I’m just happy my Tiger shark is back on the menu

[@QisforQadim]

The most egregious one to me seems to be just 'indirect fire misses half the time, screw you.' Like somehow nobody in 38000 years learned how to have guided weapons.

[@Ulekius]

lore wise it sucks, gameplay wise it is brilliant, because long range artillery had very little if any counterplay

[@Cakesadamant]

​@@Ulekius I play a heavy gunline Guard army. I guarentee you, getting into the gunline itself isn't exactly rocket science.

[@vaclavzunt6835]

@@Ulekius I'm not sure this is a good thing for the game. Some armies had modifier help and some can use "just reroll everything" kind of trick and still do a lot of damage. Indirect fire should be an asset, I would just like if it weren't spammable.

[@Dementia55372]

Nobody in 30 years has figured out how to balance indirect fire so it has to be bad

[@danjones3012]

Indirect fire missing half the time is accurate, as it is a general area the targeted unit was last known to be in. There are only a few factions that have a targeting laser/unit that gives sight knowledge in 40k. Which means indirect fire is going to be innately inaccurate, more than the -1 to hit it had before.

[@troublemaker9899]

The Psychic one actually has a lot of implications. We can get anti-psychic feel no pains against Brotherhood Librarians now, for instance.

[@Big_Curly40]

Does Psychic Dominion now work against Doombolt? Or is the psychic ability still not considered to ‘select a target’? Makes sense that you can use a psychic FNP against it, but in this niche scenario can the stratagem even be used?

[@KaratePath]

Im not buying any other codex next time, will just use online tools

[@gbirdnonsense1084]

The dara cards should at least unlock the app. It wouldn't feel as icky vandalising those to update them

[@dakotamccaig3783]

Can sister of battle arco-flagellants use their Extremis Trigger Word ability when under the effects of fight on death?

[@malocuillandre1344]

Can the scout sentinel "daring recon" ability negates the 1-2-3 hit rolls automatic failure when firing in indirect fire? The ability says "ignore the penalty to the hit roll", before the change it was clear that the -1 to the hit roll was a penalty (it modifies your dice roll), but now the dice roll isn't modifed, it just fails or succeeds, so is that a "penalty"?

[@SwearingWizard77]

The leadership cant be worse than 9+ but you can also modify the roll and essentially get 10+. It stacks similar to typhus -1 to hit and -ws/bs

[@anthonysees5015]

Allowing the DCD to have infinite attacks was a dumb decision. It's not healthy for the game to have a single unit that can have potentially infinite attacks. That should not be allowed.

[@kennethmacgregor-Gregorach]

I feel that the lifespan of 10th has been reached, the rules need a brand new edition

[@WhiteBlade189]

14:05 If this is correct, does that mean Battle Sister Squads can’t farm miracle dice off simulacrums turn 1 since it triggers at the end of the command phase?

[@LordOffal]

That modifier faq is a nerf to c’tan

[@TheMagicalPinata]

For the overhanging and flyer, I thought flyers could overhang because flyers are always measured to the base? Or did I understand it wrong?

[@quackpack747]

Still pretty confused. Chaos daemons Realm of Chaos Strat allows players to pick up (end of opps turn)units off the battlefield field and deploy them their next movement phase. Can they use it first turn when they’re going second?

[@tamarjaeger]

Yes. The strat even says that the unit(s) will arrive in the reinforcement step of your next movement phase, so you have to place them then.

[@thelegendsmith3063]

5 videos 1 day admech really got buffed you can tell

[@The_Penguin_8964]

Our priesthood brother buff Auspex in a good way⚙️⚙️

[@MrLambLips]

I heard rumour you cannot charge after disembaking from a transport that just arrived from deepstrike. Is that true? I couldnt find the rule. I want to drop 10 assault marines from a droppod T1 and charge 9"

[@georgeste]

Random question lol is it feasible/legal to have an all chaos terminator army?

[@poetrollem326]

Celestine has a fnp and her entourage doesn't so that targeting rule is a minor buff

[@richardbaker4088]

Long live can wall! In his name!

[@freakazoid8426]

I like the fact, that Mortarions Modifier rule is now complete useless. Thanks GW for balancing a rule, indirect fire, who were absolutely fine.

[@dras-pv8qv]

Indirect fire was "absolutely fine". 😂😂😂😂😂

[@The_Penguin_8964]

All indirect fire unit: Dang it🥲

[@Internetbutthurt]

You took 3 PBCs im betting.

[@Tzar-TZ]

im sad about the lokhust choice of ruling

[@Clatzy541]

God dammit Auspex take a break do you sleep?

[@WraithRaider]

You said "flyers can't overhang", assuming you mean aircraft, then they absolutely can as aircraft on measure from the base, not hull, unless in hover mode - in which case they lose aircraft keyword. The word "flyer" doesn't really mean anything.

[@virgile1469]

Can you target an allied unit as a target to shoot ? (for move shoot move).

[@Jfk2Mr]

As in perform blue-on-blue attack? That sounds like an exploit

[@wolfgangstallionmusic5639]

It sounds like something World eaters would do lol

[@captaincoolbreeze9429]

That would be a no. In the core rules, under the select targets step of the shooting phase, enemy units would be selected as shooting targets.

[@virgile1469]

@@captaincoolbreeze9429 Ok thanks for the rule check !

[@mogaman28]

Did they said something about the Puretide enhancement? Right now is useless.

[@captaincoolbreeze9429]

Not as far as I'm aware. GW did change a similarly worded ability on the Skitarii Marshal but not that enhancement or Uriel Ventris.

[@notknightbean]

Some good faqs for sure. Shame tenth is bland and boring. I want world lord, relic, and subfaction/chapter tactics back.

[@dildoswaggins2907]

Amen

[@peters6345]

Yeah i liked it at first now i think is boring

[@vaclavzunt6835]

Yeah, I miss 8th and 9th edition. My army is Imperial Fist successors and while I had difficult times in 9th, I had a lot of fun with unique dirty little tricks like shooting bolter weapons in close combat or use grenades with an entire unit. There are some good changes in 10th edition but overall, I'm feeling like a lot of joy and entertainment is gone.

[@notknightbean]

@@vaclavzunt6835 my iron hands were strong in 9th, but I leaned into a decent amount of melee to keep it fun. That 6 up feel no pain saved me a lot and made for some very interesting games.

[@NatureinNano]

At this point I'm pretty sure auspex is an ai lol guy never sleeps

[@maxiderboss4168]

Heretic, he ist a servitor

[@CMTechnica]

It’s his editor

[@wyatttyson7737]

Ah, so the Tank Commander's datasheet ability (shooting on death) not working if it was killed in melee is on purpose, huh? Yeah, purposely making sure Guard rules don't work seems in character for GW

[@tasteofwang81]

So my Stormlord can fall back through enemy models with no penalty because titanic… and then shoot the firing deck of 24… 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@isawaryokage]

Yes but are round bases circular? Jk jk, they did a good job this time round, but I still don't know if a gun barrel is part of the hull...

[@Dementia55372]

I really don't think they did though, flying bases were either completely overlooked when they were designing pivot rules or giving those models the ability to pivot for free was intention which is equally stupid

[@vargussmeton7426]

AP can't be less than zero? 🤨

[@converseroo101]

They reversed that Necron lokhust one as previous faq said it didn’t need to. I think it lines up with the intent of the wording now but also weakens lokhusts a bit

[@Tzar-TZ]

oh yea. i forgot about that. thats super weird

[@TsarPII]

Id like to know why they sold a codex a week before they knew they were making those changes. whynot put those rules in. thats gross....i will 3d print eeeeeeeeeeeeeverything and give it all away to eeeeeeeeeveryone.

[@zetta-slow-gobbo]

Ork Warbosses no longer getting to benefit from the Waagh thanks to having thier toes in the Trukk or Party Wagon and Kult of Speed's "Fasta than Yooz" enhancement now being locked to very specific characters is so blatantly sweeping without watching for collateral. I just got into 40k this year and having been enjoying modeling and casual games but every time GW "fixes" something, theres more errata my friends and I have to write down and go "this is absurd and we are ignoring this dumbass ruling for these instances bc this is a game of pretend" and it makes us low key start to regret even getting into the game Crap like: Imperial Knights get to dance over terrain but the Stompa gets gum on its foot and is stopped. Make it make sense at bare minimum.

[@aaronabel4756]

Focus on crusade and narrative games, competitive dice rolling will always be a joke.

[@restlessheroes]

who can explain to me how war construct ability of the wraithguards work? "War Construct: Once per battle round, when an enemy unit targets this unit, after that unit has finished making its attacks, this unit can shoot as if it were your Shooting phase. When doing so, it must target only that enemy unit, and can only do so if that enemy unit is an eligible target." After the fight phase i refer. if i get 1-2 wraiths to die in melee and create space between the unit that charged them so that they are not in the engagement range anymore. which rule comes first, war contruct or consolidate? "After a unit has finished making all of its melee attacks, it Consolidates. Each time a unit Consolidates, you can move each model in that unit that is not already in base-to-base contact with an enemy model up to 3" - this is a Consolidation move."

[@Whoknows21356]

War construct

[@restlessheroes]

@@Whoknows21356 why thou? realy curious? both activate after the enemy unit finishes its attacks.

[@aarondickey3752]

I actually think it is consolidate typically when you and your opponent have something happen at once it is typically whose turn it is or action is taken first that takes priority

[@restlessheroes]

@@aarondickey3752 then let me answer with another question. What's the point of war construct to mention "when an enemy unit targets this unit, after that unit has finished making its attacks,". Why doesn't it mention shooting phase because it needs so many mental gimnastics to try to use this in the fight phase also.

[@Zayamad]

​@@restlessheroesbecause it's an ability to shoot back, not intended for the fight phase.

[@Damnedlegion40k]

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[@jimbusher5895]

That we need these FAQs only goes to demonstrate how gamey some players are…not how poorly written the rules are 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@aaronabel4756]

Seriously. Those players need to discover Chess and stop worrying about Wargames. Wargames are not supposed to be balanced.

[@Noridaii]

​@@aaronabel4756thats not true at all

[@WraithRaider]

LD cannot be 4+, not better than 4+, so 5+ is the best you can get. LD 8+ is the worst you can get...

[@CaptainWwowW]

Pivoting thing is unnecessary, dunno why you can't move 4, pivot, move 6 if your movement is 10. Now it's what, move 4, pivot, move 4?

[@bitemytail]

Given that facing isn't a thing, just never pivot unless you absolutely have to.

[@Dementia55372]

Because movement costs movement

[@The_Penguin_8964]

Because more and more player just move 10" and say "Oh I can't see that unit, well let me pivot a bit and take a better view"🤷🏻‍♂️this rule is try to prevent these issue🤷🏻‍♂️

[@aaronabel4756]

This would be funny if it weren't such a waste of resources. Good luck to everyone trying to keep up with this crap.

[@marziodimastrogiovanni127]

also BS can't be less than 1 right?

[@wonderfred]

BS2+ is the best you can have (outside of torrent), rolling a 1 will always miss.

[@lilerk1]

A roll of 1 on any die will always fail, while a roll of 6 on any die will always succeed.

[@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle]

​@@lilerk1not quite correct, 7+ saves do exist

[@culturedrogue1929]

​@lilerk1 How does that interact with AP? Say I've got a 4+ save but get hit with -3 AP, do I not get a save or does a 6+ still save?

[@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle]

@@culturedrogue1929 in that situation, you would have to roll 7 or higher on the die so you cannot succeed

[@PokemonMasterScout]

I swear they had ruled the "Rules with multiple conditions and effects" The exact opposite way it was clarified last time. This game is getting far too messy and I just cant keep up with this nonsense anymore. Thank god Battletech is way cheaper and shatterpoint has more detailed minis

[@albertbargery9619]

Wow, what an accessible game this is for new starters. These rules updates seem to make printed rules and even new editions redundant. Whats the point of 11ed when they just change the rules like this, when so many corr rules and faction specific rules are changed, when they legend certain units and randomly add unfinished factions and then ignore them. Great video and respect to rhe amount of time this must take, but it really shouldn't be needed from such a successful and large company and game model.

[@matjov]

Glad I decided to not buy any Codex or the cards. Waste of money.

[@ferggerman]

So earthshakers hit on 5 with a -1 to hit and ⁰_⁰ why do they feel the need to nerf them even more. I love earthshaker batterys I wish they were usable

[@hdhstarwars2723]

So from my understanding if the earthshaker didn't move it gets a +1 to hit so it would be hitting on 4+. Also you can use the scout ability from the scout sentinel to remove the -1 from indirect fire on one specific unit in the enemies army. I'm not sure how expert bombediers would work with adding a one to your hit roll. So could you hit on a three while not having line of sight if you use the strategem expert bombediers?

[@Sha_Bingus]

because other players cry and moan that a 2 damage gun with random shots and no AP a lot of the time, is somehow game breaking and completely unfair

[@CaptainWwowW]

From what I've gathered, they hit on a 5, then Indirect takes them to 6, but Heavy brings them back to 5. If you can see the target and stayed still, hits on a 4. I'm trying to figure it out myself because I'm trying to see how Biovores are gonna work now

[@CMTechnica]

Because artillery is fucking boring. Laziest way to play this game

[@xXghostrider29]

Can GW be any more of a scam company? At some point you all have to be wondering.

[@jonpeacock5580]

Melta rule is so dumb

[@bobthekking8032]

First

[@y2j1490yahoo]

wrong

[@Slicerness]

The hazardous ruling is dumb as hell and makes no sense. If I had a gun or turret that might MELT MY HANDS or melts part of my tank if I use it you bet your ass I'd be firing that weapon as a last resort. If the gun isn't fired you don't roll hazardous, simple as that.

[@za_sNse]

All guns are fired at the exact same time, but obviously we roll the weapon profiles one by one. So logically if you fired your missile and lasgun at the same time, the lasgun might not of gotten the killing blow but you still fired it regardless.

[@Zayamad]

The idea is that you did fire them. You just don't have to roll dice because your other shots finished the job. Technically, the whole unit is firing at the same time.

[@AaronFrederick843]

Who is writing this crap

[@nilesraeadams]

I don't want to be one of those people who overreact to every new thing they hear, but is the change to indirect fire as bad for death guard as it seems? It seems pretty bad

[@CMTechnica]

The IG sub is full of artillery spam players bitching because Indirect got nerfed, so if DG is anything similar, probably bad. Though I say good. Artillery is fucking boring.

[@nilesraeadams]

@@CMTechnica sadly, when your units are neither fast nor tough, hiding under a rock and spamming whatever strat is available to you becomes your only route to victory while nurglings scramble around trying to score.

[@Dementia55372]

Is PBG spam good for Death Guard? I don't think a lot of the DG players I know particularly like it.

[@nilesraeadams]

@@Dementia55372 good or not, we have to be effective at something. We're too slow to apply pressure and too soft to withstand multiple shooting phases as we drip across the battlefield. Not to mention Morty and LOV are all mechanically oriented to take advantage of that one strong ability. Without PBCs, I don't even know what we run other than plague marines in tanks and DST in landraiders. Which once again is just a different spam.

[@vaclavzunt6835]

It is pretty bad for many units and many synergies. GW is fixing indirect fire spam with ruining the mechanic instead of making spamming more difficult. It was aimed on the Imperial Guard but it hits many armies where this problem did not exist.