40K - The Imperium are the GOOD GUYS of 40K (From a Lore Perspective)

[@ThePontiusGlaw69]

JOIN OUR DISCORD AND MEET US, AND IF YOU WANT, SUPPORT US ON PATREON! And share this video around, I am tired of the misinformation going around about the imperium being the bad guys or satire that goes around.

[@bgcvetan]

I am the only hope for mankind, because i've destroyed all others. -The Emperor of Mankind.

[@jaegerbomb269]

Humanity first!

[@brandom255]

"Do you want mankind to just roll over and die?" The modern left, unironically: "Yes" They are a death cult.

[@Warrior-Of-Virtue]

I have had arguments with people who genuinely believe that survival isn't a good enough reason to do what the Imperium does and that Humanity should just roll over and allow themselves to die out. My mind can't even comprehend the sheer level of nihilism and misanthropy that could birth such an idea.

[@yopoxikeweapescai9066]

What living a meaningless and pampered life does to a human soul:

[@ConsueloWubba]

You were speaking with Chaos Cultists obviously.

[@keqet12]

Sadly such thinking is very common. In every discussion some people would rather see humanity die out at the hands/claws of inhuman and monstrous aliens. Starship troopers, Helldivers and now 40k.

[@denkerbosu3551]

Have you ever seen the left vs right thermal graphic? It's basically how much care each give to the in-group vs out group. So the right would carenthe most about family, friends, nation, etcnuntil we get to the rest of the universe, caring the least for the latter. The left was the opposite, caring more about, for example, global warming rather than their families living in poverty and in danger.

[@gaymanezhden1702]

i believe its not even nihilism nor misanthropy. its just braindeath and apathy

[@snakething87]

I’ve always described it as: “The humans in 40k are as good as the galaxy allows them to be.”

[@denkerbosu3551]

This. Somehow we forget that we were Star Trek and made peace treatiesnwith the Wldar before the A.I. rebellion + the Eldar messing up.

[@DavidBoell-h8l]

It's easy to be an angel when you are in heaven.

[@Traven158]

You forgot the most important argument: Which species was made in the Emperor's image? Checkmate, Xenos.

[@bobby31723]

Necrons:"Fair points. Unfortunately , you are on my fucking lawn."

[@corvus_armatura7595]

Best start shaking off that dust though. Don't let the Flayer virus bite!

[@darklombax2580]

Man this is way better than Adeptus ridiculous.

[@ThePontiusGlaw69]

Glad you liked it brother.

[@davidsabolek7384]

@@darklombax2580 as a former Ridiculous enjoyer, I agree.

[@sparking023]

I watch AdRic for the memes, I watch Pontius and Leutin for lore accuracy

[@patrick9876]

@@sparking023I agree

[@mrbreeze3954]

I used to like adeptus ridiculous before the custodes debacle... thank the emperor this channel exists

[@TrashenClaw]

There's Indian food, mexican food and Chinese food, then there's the spicy title of this video , this will be epic

[@DVAcme]

Eldar: Create the Chaos God of debauchery and excess, fuck up the galaxy. Mankind: Create the Anathema, the god whose mere presence destroys Chaos and whom Chaos unite against. That's all the proof you need.

[@colonelturmeric558]

Eldar also dont have blanks afaik

[@yopoxikeweapescai9066]

Average humanity W. Even if that almost created a 5th grand chaos god, but Neoth got snapped out of it

[@aregulargamer1]

@@yopoxikeweapescai9066 Based Olly, talking some sense into John Warhammer.

[@Ayahuasca98]

@@DVAcme humans created the space wolves so they’re even worse

[@dean_l33]

​@@yopoxikeweapescai9066 Please never use that name again

[@davidsabolek7384]

>From a lore perspective You mean the only one that truly matters. Suffer not the Xenos sympathizers to live!

[@yopoxikeweapescai9066]

Dont tempt me lol

[@denkerbosu3551]

"Everyone's bad" is so easy to say from a safe place. The people preaching the most about empathy are the last to imagine themselves in the shoes of humanity. The first to condemn their society, without thinking what led them to it.

[@Ayahuasca98]

everyone is good except for space wolves - 🗿

[@SilcronKaytor]

Let’s go. Nothing like this dropping in the middle of my painting session.

[@BrodyGallegos]

Dropped this in the middle of my welding class. The wait is now over.

[@colonelturmeric558]

Weld done

[@BrodyGallegos]

@@colonelturmeric558 ba dum tis

[@BrodyGallegos]

@@colonelturmeric558 I see what you did there

[@reallybig4868]

This is the first time in over a year of consuming daily 40k youtube lore that the interpretation of viewpoint should be taken from within the universe instead of inserting our own morality into the setting. Thank you for that because it’s almost like people expound the latter while trying to have the benefits of the former

[@ThePontiusGlaw69]

Duty brother.

[@ArielG5000]

Finally, a lore channel that doesn't say "well actually the humans are the bad guys" every five minutes bc they're afraid someone might call them a fascist.

[@dean_l33]

It's fair and rightly to say the Imperium do a lot of bad to put it lightly but the other side to that coin is it's also the last hope for humankind

[@fraterleonatus5864]

I am marking the names of all those who disagree in the comments so that I can present the list to the proper authorities when our benevolent Emperor reveals himself.

[@VarangianGuard13]

Voice 1: *Describing Aeldari Exodites* Voice 2: Go find a job, Hippies. An unfathomably badass and accurate statement. The Almighty God-Emperor of Mankind surely approves.

[@TheRealRealMClovin]

This is a great point 2:48 You could compare this to people and some historians viewing history through modern view. Having Presentism mindset, the viewing of history through arrogant modern thinking. Which is a big mistake. For example if you judge romans or vikings for killing so many people and call them monsterous humans. You clearly don’t know that all of humanity and nations in those times was like that and there was nations worse than romans. It’s just that the romans and vikings was good at what they did. While also that people in those times viewed death and living completely different to how we do today.

[@Soundwave-A10]

This will upset some people , anyways AVE IMPERATOR

[@ThePontiusGlaw69]

Good.

[@Silverized84]

bah, people get upset if you breath in a way that they don't like

[@Soundwave-A10]

To clarify , the people that our primarch is upsetting shouldn't be happy with you

[@Steelstriker]

Pontius Lives!!!! STOMP STOMP

[@ULTIMATZEKROM]

Christmas came early this year. Thank you for this gift, my Loremaster.

[@LeuvahkTrigger]

I'm gonna miss the old florks, but I can respect the respect for another creator.

[@tombest6149]

Rejoice brothers! Our Golden Primarch has spoken!

[@helslayerknightclaw1339]

THIS IS AMAZINGLY WELL DONE

[@brandom255]

Good news everyone, a new video from The Pontius!

[@emilianomorales9810]

I've been looking forward to this

[@admiraltiberius1989]

The Primarch speaks !!!! Hear his words !!!! And Pios as well, before he invades Vietnam anyway...... 👀

[@odkjqedlkd]

eldar single handedly ruining the galaxy for every race to humans who reconquered galaxy despite everything;foolish monkeigh

[@StrikerUSS]

Primarch Florktuna returned! LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

[@mikkbarsparkblast4829]

🐟🐟🐟🐟

[@thewaterguy17]

Absolutely. Based. Title.

[@silentmoniker]

Our primarch has finally posted! 🙌

[@michaelriddick7116]

"Get a job you hippies!" - Pio 👍😎👍 Bsed Pio! 🤣😂🤣😂

[@corvus_armatura7595]

This whole video could serve as the one of the next best intros into 40k as the humans in it. I've been listening to this for a good few hours now.

[@GloriousGrunt]

Thank you for making this

[@cjv-x10a4]

14:42 I don't know I would go as far as to say it's impossible to burn them to out with flamers, but it's surely going to be very difficult, and you can never be sure that all the spores are gone. Exterminatus does have a higher chance of success though, and preferably if worth the cost.

[@Zentusichernun]

Fuck yes, I'm about to drive for an hour, such timing!

[@jeffreydrake5851]

You should send this video to that Adam Somebody nobody. This completely disproves the entire premise that the imperium are the aggressors due to their unrelenting xenophobia and not out the basic sense of survival.

[@denkerbosu3551]

He would just be a giant c*ck and go "OH SO YOU'RE OK WITH GENOCIDING LITTLE ALIEN KIDS!" completely ignoreing the context wher they would grow up to do the same for us anyways.

[@lukkaredwolf3534]

No matter when I've brought it up, when this question is raised, no one has successfully rebutted this answer: Who are the good guys in 40K? The Ogryn. The Ogryn are the good guys.

[@ashardalondragnipurake]

the tyranids the only ones who will quieten the warp and return it to pre war in heaven state once life reevolves it is unlikely to mess up that badly again so the warp will not be recorrupted by mortals, and as such mortals dreams and ambitions will be more peaceful and balanced

[@lukkaredwolf3534]

@ashardalondragnipurake 'nids are all part of the hive minds, and as such cannot make individual decisions to be good, and only follow their nature to consume. I'm not saying that Nids are specifically evil, especially when referring to the lower caste of Nids that are barely even a flicker of sapience, but the Ogryn actually try to be good, despite their lack of cranial capacity to think about it in more abstract thoughts. Also, just closing off the warp does not eliminate it, just the access at that point. Chaos is more than capable of sneaking around in areas where it can find gaps. Also, except for Hive Fleet Kronos, the Nids don't have any real species wide specialization to deal with Chaos, as far as I remember.

[@peterthomas187]

I think there are "good" guys in most factions (keyword: most), but what the Imperium is are the "protagonists." Good, bad or indifferent, they're what the story revolves around.

[@ThePontiusGlaw69]

And they are also canonically the only faction that was good at one point and was pushed by all others into becoming hostile.

[@ThePontiusGlaw69]

@@Whanevs The simple fact other major alien races still exist is an indication that they weren't going around willy nilly exterminating aliens, because they had the power to, and yet, alien races from that age still exist.

[@peterthomas187]

@@ThePontiusGlaw69 What about the Eldar before they became murder-rape degens and birthed a chaos god? They were good, weren't they? At the very least they had culture etc.

[@peterthomas187]

@@ThePontiusGlaw69 That just proves the DOT Humans were SOFT! I'm kidding. DOT Humanity RIP.

[@ThePontiusGlaw69]

@@Whanevs Not really, the Eldar had no reason to become the monsters they became, it was all arrogance and hedonism.

[@nathanjora7627]

One remark on your "was leaving colonies alone really an option", I'm not sure why you didn't just arch back to your prior point, namely, the Imperium had a knowledge of chaos far beyond that of anyone else, he knew how to fight them, he knew how to protect humanity from them, in that context, leaving human colonies alone would've been as nonsensical as leaving xeno empires alone. On that point, I've come to believe that whether they realized it or not, the writers of the horus heresy made it so that alien species could in fact live under the Imperium, specifically as long as they didn't mingle with humans, and were never, and I do mean absolutely never, aggressive towad humans. To establish this, I would refer to three things : 1) in horus rising, in the interex part, it is made mention between members of the mournival that they have indeed negotiated with aliens before 2) in fulgrim, the imperial strategists urged Fulgrim to make Laeran a xenos protectorate given the projected high cost of taking the planet. Now fulgrim refused, but that idea wouldn't have been proposed to begin with if there wasn't some sort of precedent, and finally 3) there is a precedent, namely the adarnians (if I'm not mistaken on the name), which were a xeno race that was part of exactly one such protectorate. People try to argue that the Imperium is responsible for their disappearance, but that is false, as the character that mentions them also mentions that there's an official death penalty for those caught consuming the serum made from them and that led to their disparition. Of note, he doesn't think the threat is nonexistent (like if it was just a fake policy to keep up appearances), but instead doesn't care because he is at the end of his rope and if it's not that then it's nothing and that's not something he can tolerate.

[@ThePontiusGlaw69]

Fancy that, that is a side I didn't consider when writing the video. Thanks for sharing your point of view brother, it made me view my own arguments from another perspective, and that I appreciate immensely.

[@aregulargamer1]

There's also a bit in various Siege of Terra novels where they describe embassies and diplomatic complexes for alien civilizations, mostly as they're getting blown up by the Warmaster's hordes.

[@nathanjora7627]

@@ThePontiusGlaw69 Hhmm, don't know if I somehow never sent the comment or if it was deleted or filtered for whatever reason, but I wanted to thank you and add to your point on satire that there's one more thing that ought be mentioned about 40k and the topic of satire, which is that whatever one wants to think about its current state, from everything I could find stemming from the original authors of 40k (so primarily Rick priestley and people working on the end of 1st edition and 2nd/3rd with him), it wasn't supposed to be a satire. Humor had a place, but not to mock or criticize any kind of IRL beliefs. In fact, he explicitly stated 1) that he was trying to make something utterly horrible but driven by necessity (that specific phrasing was about the Emperor's diet of psykers, but he said similar things about the imperium as a whole), 2) that he wasn't trying to mock religion (when asked about whether or not the imperium was an indictement of religion). Furthermore, it is easy to find in RT and the realm of the lost and the damned (both of which combined gave us easily 90% of the foundation for modern 40k ; god emperor, chaos gods, heresy, etc) explicitly out of universe sections that directly addressed the reader and tell him that the informations contained within the sections in question aren't actually known, widely if at all, in the universe of 40k, and that they are being shared only for the purpose of allowing players to better understand the universe. Amongst those, you have for example the fact that the Emperor is the only one to really know how bad chaos is, that humanity was indeed subjugated by a myriad of aliens and chaos worshippers during the age of strife, and that his message during the GC was actually very popular with the humans he went around freeing, talking about the GC era as one of hope and prosperity (so him and the early imperium weren't described as a deluded authoritarian/oppressive regime as they tend to be framed as by much of the fanbase today, but at worst as the product of a truly enlightened despot). That said, I am curious as to where you got the info that aliens and humans were in an alliance during the DAoT, and that they subsequently betrayed humanity at the onset of the age of strife, that's not really what I find.

[@ThePontiusGlaw69]

@@nathanjora7627 Brother, I listed the sources in the description, and there is also the codexes where I took the screenshots that were narrated on what happened, and they too said that they were once looked at as allies and sources of trade.

[@nathanjora7627]

@@ThePontiusGlaw69 You have, and of the sources I could consult none of them mention anything about a xeno-human alliance, or a specific backstabbing of humans. The closest it gets to that is in page 25 (not 24) of black crusade rulebook, where it's mentioned that during the age of strife xenos descended upon humanity, which yeah I'm aware of, but doesn't show they used to be allied, let alone friends, and the screenshot at 11:41 that also doesn't say they were allied, let alone that the ones that descended upon humans were their ex-allies. Also is that screenshot from imperium magazine ? I don't have that one nor could I find it online. Sorry if I'm being annoying with the level of autism, I just like things to be as clear cut as possible, not that it ends up being useful that often, 9/10 you can literally cite something proving your point verbatim and people will just answe with "nuh hu" anyway, but I'd rather still have the 1/10 than giving them the opportunity to say "well uh that's not exactly what it says so there, you're wrong".

[@georgepanayotov5288]

Love it This is becoming the only wh lore channel out there that is so on point MORE!

[@ThePontiusGlaw69]

You are lucky, the next video is next week, it is already completed and ready to go.

[@DVAcme]

16:56 HAIL RECLUSIARCH MEREK GRIMALDUS, THE HERO OF HELSREACH!!! (As if there is only one...) EDIT: 19:36 HAIL COMMISSAR SEBASTIAN YARRICK, THE HERO OF HADES HIVE!!!

[@Arsha136]

They have received Rubicon surgery. They all are Primaris now.

[@MrVlad12340]

Actually no, a lot of marines are still firstborn despite many Primaris arriving or firstborn marines getting the enhancement.

[@corvus_armatura7595]

@@MrVlad12340 He meant pontius and his cast XD

[@ragnarian]

with the tau, i like how theyve changed over time, becoming more cynical and cruel it makes their entire plot that of being the naive newcomer reaching out to the galaxy in hope and friendship...like humanity did...but now theyre quickly learning just how fucked up the galaxy is and how being nice and friendly wasnt going to work

[@keqet12]

I have been waiting for this video. The recent succesful games brought a lot of mainstream attention to the franchise and that brought a lot of tourists and sneering pseudo intellectuals with it.

[@denkerbosu3551]

tbf, there were always psudo intellectuals that went "Imperium bad" and pretended that Orks were good guys, despite keeping slaves in brutal conditions that they tortured for fun.

[@gk431]

Thank you for another great video guys!

[@ivanivanovic5586]

To be honest, I'll miss the old style pio and the voice actor guy, danny looks extra snazzy now(I see Kim Chan was inspiration behind his avatar, couldn't ask for a better one), crew looming(correction: looking) good too. To the topic at hand, finally someone got around to make a proper from in-universe perspective viewpoint of imperium and why it's as it is, willdo what able to spread it around on my end. Correct me if wrong, weren't chaos gods actually dormant before being awakened one after another(khorne first(crusades), nurgle(black death), tzeentch(forgot when), then slaanesh(as told)? Dark eldar...if there is a race or faction one can truly call evil, it is them(as least if you read their old codices). Funnily and interestingly enough, Eldar is a first name in parts of slavic balkans(bosnia herzegovina, namely). Regarding yvraine and guilliman - while I normally frown upon "ships"(almost all of them are cringe as all hell), this is one I could see myself getting behind, if only for the memes about it(rather than in-universe, which would be an impossibility). Edit to add: said it before, saying it again, war40k wasn't a satire since rogue trader days. See you on the next episode.

[@Dale9735]

Lord Primarch has blessed us once again

[@gendor5199]

1. Nice reveal of the new toons, shame you "had" to change. 2. I didn't realize how much I hate subtitles on youtube until I saw this video, where the subtitles are full sentences/paragraphs that are cut off when there is a reasonable place to end the sentence! You guys are awesome. The Glaw Estate looks upon you with approval!

[@gamernix5329]

This was excellent. Thank you! Also , Pio has taken on a new shape. Has he been working out?

[@ThePontiusGlaw69]

yes, less Lasagnas and more Carbonaras.

[@kacwery8463]

DAMN I'm early. Praise the Emperor!

[@mostcomplicatedman8115]

if people dont like the lore and dont like the factions . then just choose something else . i dont unserstand theese people not liking 40k , knows nothing , but still want to critisize it and want to change it .

[@denkerbosu3551]

It's actually worse when theyd o know the lore and factions, but still twist the truth to paint the Imperium in a worse light (as if they needed that) and ignore any context. "Oh they're so xenophobic!" as if their fear/hatred of the aliens was unreasonable.

[@mostcomplicatedman8115]

@denkerbosu3551 " oh no the imperium is xenophobic 😭 " yeah ? maybe because everything in the universe wants to FUCKIN KILL THEM .

[@samsmith7212]

Prepare for all the green hair slenesh fans to hate you for this video. No one likes to admit that the empirium is a necessity in a universe that is so fucked up.

[@Silverized84]

i don't think that slaneesh even want them.

[@tau-5794]

The Imperium isn't a necessity, but it is the best available option. It could be better, but it also doesn't really have any choice to be anything other than what it is.

[@denkerbosu3551]

@@tau-5794 you can argue "it could be better" but its current state is so justified it hurts. How do you advance tech without knowing angering the Mechanicus, or worse, without knowing if daemons are whispering in your ear?

[@ΘάνοςΔιαμαντόπουλος-π4τ]

Mate, you literally ooze talent. You are extremely talented my friend. Thank you for your efforts. Extremely nice content. Cheers and My armor is contempt My shield is disgust My sword is hatred!

[@ancientgearsynchro]

I get same feeling when people point out Big E gets called a tyrant alot....by people in the setting that are either unknowingly following chaos (The warlords of Terra) , actively using it (Horus and other warlords of Terra) and Xenos that given the slightest chance would turn man into meat, Oriental style. You don't gotta love the guy or even like the IoM, but please don't just use YT shorts to form your opinion on such massive themes/characters in the setting

[@Azzie420]

Where’s my Naked Sororitas Waifu Danny?…

[@trevortammen2341]

AVE DEUS IMPERATOR, GLORIA IN EXCELCUS TERRA.

[@MrMuelltube]

Very well represented and explained. I can already hear the screeching Harpy-Tourists from the "Alphabet-Salad-Nonsense-Mafia" coping and seething. And that is a sound of pure pleasure and Entertainment i can and will enjoy to no end! Thank you.

[@mostcomplicatedman8115]

do not upset the tourists with facts and logic

[@Duppyman695]

But the 'tourists' think there are 'Good Guys' in 40K.....? Only old school fans of the original lore know there is no 'Good' or 'Bad'..... ONLY WAR!

[@Ayahuasca98]

@@Duppyman695literally only recently have people started moralizing 40k lol this isn’t fantasy.

[@Duppyman695]

@@Ayahuasca98 To need 'Good Guys' sheriff vs Outlaw or Jedi vs Sith is old, outdated and quite childish IMO!

[@Ayahuasca98]

@@Duppyman695 I started 40k with dark eldar, fantasy with chaos, and blood bowl with norsca, so I couldn’t GAF about mortality. If imperium fans wanna pretend they’re some sorta hero then they can morally grandstand on YT all day and night long because God knows they’d get bullied off of /tg/ or any other place of actual discussion that isn’t a hugbox.

[@denkerbosu3551]

@@Ayahuasca98 bs, they've been doing this since "He who must not be named" was attacked, and even before, there would be people that openly said "Yeah, Imperium's just bad and dumb, I would do so much better" when they wouldn't last 30 seconds (Pontius' 50 seconds are too generous)

[@PontifexFanficium]

The Imperial Guard is the most important military force of the Imperium.

[@denkerbosu3551]

imported?

[@NeverDry999]

Also, the Eye of Terror being retconned into being the aftermath of the War in Heaven makes no sense since the Traitor Legions fled there PRECISELY because it was a new region of the Galaxy that nobody got around to exploring, and so the Imperium could not follow them there during the Scouring. The Maelstrom would make more sense for being the Warp Storm left in the aftermath of the War in Heaven (which didn't happen 60 million years ago, because that's stupid), since it's much closer to the center of the Galaxy.

[@ThePontiusGlaw69]

eh, ask GW writers, they make more mistakes than mcdonald employees.

[@NeverDry999]

@@ThePontiusGlaw69 Yeah, I'd go so far as to say that all Black Library novels are just monetized fan-fiction. Some of them are pretty good (like the Ciaphas Cain series) but most of it is just utter dogshit. There's a reason they put the "disclaimer" at the start of every book, after all.

[@darkpit37]

In one of the short stories within the traitor and the alien, harlequins use "monkeigh" to refer to both humans and orks. The leader of the troop wanted to save a group of human slaves captured by an ork warboss they were there to kill and one of his underlings retorts, "it is just Mon'keigh killing Mon'keigh, it is what they do."

[@enovos3138]

Pio's reading of the introduction was awesome! Tye man has a voice for narrations

[@KB8Killa]

Get ready to get called a fascismo monster

[@kamiwriterleonardo6345]

I can say with 100% certainty as a T'au and Tyranids fan The Imperium are 100% the Good Guys in this universe, as a whole faction XD Certain individuals certainly CAN be better than the Imperium as a whole, like Farsight, Trazyn (at certain moments) and maybe that Tau'va goddess (although that remains to be seen), but as a whole faction, only the Imperium and maybe the Leagues of Votann are truly the good guys (I say that about the Leagues because at best they want to be left alone and we don't have much lore on what they've done on grimdark stuff for the Imperium)

[@martial8574]

I have a hard time comprehending how the t'au or the tyranids are more bad guys than the imperium. From their point of view in universe the tyranids are just animals feedings and the t'au are just morally a better empire?

[@MrVlad12340]

@@martial8574t’au dont comprehend the scope or stakes of the universe they exist in, and very well may damn more with their naivety than imperium damned with its harshness.

[@aregulargamer1]

You say that like Necrons aren't the goodest guys. Y'all are trespassing on private property, and my righteous Libertarian principles dictate only two outcomes: leave now, or talk to the gauss flayer.

[@Ayahuasca98]

@@martial8574tau are naive and stupid is the thing. They are bullied constantly because they don’t have the balls to achieve anything in this galaxy. That’s why humanity is better

[@kamiwriterleonardo6345]

@@martial8574 For Tyranids, I'll quote PancreasNoWork on this one: "People generally don't like being EATEN." (Also the fact that the Tyranids DO have a higher intelligence guiding them, but this intelligence has actively chosen all consumption instead of slow farming, which it can absolutely do, as seen with Hive Fleet Tiamet. They have chosen predation, and so, are evil by nature of their choice.) For T'au, it's the part that treats you well, but only if you are on their side, and if you are still useful for them. If you become a problem for any reason that might be even out of your control (IE 4th sphere), you'll be purged. They're not explicit with their xenophobia, and they're insidious in their ways of diplomacy and manipulation. They're the most agreeable, but the most likely to stab you in the back when you least expect.

[@laplace3945]

Good work, keep it up guys!

[@Dinawartotem]

I agree with the point made at 50:00 The only valid objection to humanity, as depicted in Warhammer, is an objection to Grimdark as a setting. It has nothing to do with satire. The same is true for Starship Troopers. The author may have intended to make a satire but failed utterly, and why is what the author intends of any relevance anyway? Anyone with any degree of media literacy has been pushing for the author's death since the advent of post-modernism.

[@ponyboybanshee77]

FOR THE EMPEROR

[@ragnarian]

the best way to describe chaos is that its symbols and names are radiatioactive, and knowledge instill a small speck of radioactive material within you, the more you know, the more radioactive stuff you have in you and the quicker it 'kills' you imagine if talking about covid could infect you infact, theres a movie of similar premise called Pontypool certain words, which ones are unknown, can drive people to madness, insanity and psychopathy and death much like how chaos works

[@plippymcgee1186]

This channel is single handedly making Italian accents cool. The sheer number of rolled R's is magnificent.

[@dominicp5781]

My only regret is that I have but one like to give.

[@ayethe4603]

Thank you for saying everything weve been trying to tell people but in an infinitely better and detailed and well thought out argument.

[@AnonymousVenator]

based

[@eternalemperor7501]

You guys did a great job to ground the 40k universe in the realities of the lore. There has been too much memeafication of the lore (Looking at you AR and TTS). I think the current phase of the lore being "GrimHope" also leads to a lot of misconceptions of the grim struggles the IOM finds itself in even with the Primarchs returning.

[@denkerbosu3551]

AR?

[@eternalemperor7501]

@denkerbosu3551 adeptus ridiculous

[@gendor5199]

The tragedy of 40k the way I see it is how one bad action spirals out of control. I saw one theory as to why the Emperor rushed the conquest of the galaxy was that he had a feeling of "Beyond this point, I can't see the future, so I must act quick", but if anything, species such as the Interrex would have been a great addition to the Imperium as Allies. If the Imperium at least treated other human factions more like the Tau does, it would have been better. There was a quote I don't recall exactly, but more or less that "The fact that Einstein existed is not nearly as high of a feeling as the sadness that dozens of people who might have been just as smart died in medieval wars, sweatshops, or circumstances". For me, 40k takes this idea too far many times, seeing how incompetence is so wide-spread is the tragedy that takes it too far for me, that is why I struggle at times to enjoy anything that isn't space marine stuff and Eisenhorn, why? Because at least Eisenhorn has that sense of "bigger than life", so life's little tragedies doesn't happen to him or his closest. If only the mechanicus wasn't filled with people who are as selfish as Necrons when it comes to hoarding knowledge, if only the imperial guard did have some form of oversight and demoting people to a competent level, if only, if only, if only......

[@corvus_armatura7595]

The Human Federation in DAOT before 40k was literally the Tau, but better. The problem is the bad things that had led to it failing. If you put the Tau through the same set of hardships the Federation had, it'll be no wonder they'll turn sour faster than they're going right now.

[@Ratkill]

HurR Durr SpAcE FaCiStS

[@LordNithilus]

Particularly if you are a human.

[@gendor5199]

Aaah, Listening to all this 40k reading, I really want to get back into the audiobooks! There are constantly new, but, honestly it can be hard to know which books are worthwhile and not. Recently I listened to the first book of Ragnar Blackmane and I don't actually recall anything about the book, a really bad sign to me at least. And with you even catching the radio static at 18:30? Quality... So much quality!

[@randomdude8202]

Good and bad are relative terms we invented, to determine what or who beneficial to "us" and nothing else. They mean nothing in the end. What you call a good person, might be a ch!ld m0lester secretly, or what you call bad can be an animal rescuer. You only judge them based on their stance towards you. If you are just looking who is more "popular" you are doing it wrong.

[@00784865]

Small correction, necrontyr werent created by the old ones.

[@ThePontiusGlaw69]

Again, they were created by the old ones, the old ones SEEDED life into the galaxy, by definition there was no life before them. What reason would the necrontyr have to beg the old ones if they didn't consider them their own gods.

[@TemplarBlack.]

​@@ThePontiusGlaw69 does that imply that mankind is a creation of the old ones ?

[@dannyfortuna9573]

​@@TemplarBlack.Technically yes.

[@corvus_armatura7595]

8:13 I've always known the AYYS would have stabbed humanity with or without the sudden isolation. I actually think they may have also sabotaged the bots as well.

[@ThePontiusGlaw69]

they stabbed humanity in the back before the isolation.

[@BrodyGallegos]

@@ThePontiusGlaw69 going off of this you said in the video you have an idea about why the men of iron rebelled, now I have not read any books for 40k but a conclusion that seems very valid to me is that it was caused by the C’tan more specifically the void dragon. Which if I am further correct is the same C’tan the the emperor fought on mars and the ommnisiah (I spelled that wrong) that the mechanicus worship. Sorry for the long paragraph.

[@ThePontiusGlaw69]

@@BrodyGallegos Not really part of my theory, my explanation on it is more a disconnect between humans and AIs created by a specific part of the lore that could have caused the rebellion, you will see when I get to it.

[@maximuspraetoria7480]

​@@ThePontiusGlaw69 in my opinion, the reason the men of iron rebelled was caused by many things: xeno interference; chaos corruption (i Remember being stated that the men of iron started developing weak souls during the DAOT, and we know quite a lot of examples of chaos daot technologies, most notable the castigator Titan) and so on.

[@ThePontiusGlaw69]

@maximuspraetoria7480 Might be, we don't know for sure for now, so all things go as true and false at the same time.

[@Duppyman695]

If the categories are 1) Bad 2)really Bad and 3)Pure Evil.... I would put The Imperium in 2)really Bad!

[@mr.mustachio941]

Sad to see older designs go, but I respect your decision. I like to think these new redesigns are just costumes you guys have to wear due to copyright reasons, but once the video is done you simply take off said costumes, and go back to your older selfs. As for the video itself it was once again another great and informative material that makes me crave for more, and dwelve deeper into the lore. Definetely I'm looking forward for your next video.

[@SetuwoKecik]

I really can feel the anger on the last part regarding satire.

[@JazzzxD421]

Peak and based content inbound

[@corbenoneill3092]

Much love dude

[@deutschesvaterlandfankanal]

Suffer not the vegan nor the environmentalist to live

[@ragnarian]

the drukhari wouldve actually been the worst of the worst of the ancient aeldari empire comorragh was a sort of pirate/black market/outlaw haven webway city/port, filled with the worst of the worst of the empire

[@sayansengupta5791]

LETS FUCKING GOOOOO

[@prenommcnom9444]

Great video, loved it. Too bad that your florks had to go though

[@ThePontiusGlaw69]

we are sad too, but we hope that doing our own thing will push us into being even more funny design wise.

[@Ayahuasca98]

Sorry pontius but humanity has the space wolves so they’re automatically the worst.

[@corvus_armatura7595]

Who says space wolves are human?

[@edwardhernandez6082]

Oh great, now I have to listen an italian explain the obvious... Just kidding Danny, thanks for explaining these servitors why it is obvious the Empire is the only beacon of hope FOR HUMANITY and from humanity's point of view Edit: Yup I was right, my view was correct. I can assure it after finishing viewing the video

[@Politov]

great video!

[@ashardalondragnipurake]

no its sad how far the fanbase has fallen to follow gw in their marvelification of the setting

[@corvus_armatura7595]

GW says they don't endorse the Imperium though.

[@16bitboo3]

I seen some say it would be cool if in the near future of the narrative, the Emperor himself did ascend to a kind of godhood on a power similar level of the chaos gods. Could that actually happen? Can a god-like being come from a mortal? Or can they only be birthed into existence via immense excess of emotions or negativity (or similar)?

[@aregulargamer1]

He was already turning into the Dark King during Siege of Terra, and only a last second intervention prevented Birth of Slaanesh 2.0, electric boogaloo. Now he's eating trillions of prayers a day, for ten thousand years, and a thousand psyker souls for good measure. When the Star Father finally dies and ascends in the warp, he's gonna wipe out the four by fucking sneezing at them.

[@N0TYALC]

I once responded to a KZbin comment which claimed that 40k was entirely a satirical setting. I asked him what was being satirized specifically in the plot of Saturnine. His response? "I haven't played Saturnine, I'm still working my way through Space Marine 2."

[@TemplarBlack.]

Hahaha no way

[@N0TYALC]

@@TemplarBlack. Honest to god. That's a question I've grown fond of asking the "media literacy" types. If they describe 40k as a satirical setting, ask them what is being satirized by a specific 40k narrative. If it isn't a popular video game or a meme from a bad KZbin channel, they have not heard of it.

[@CatBitchNami]

I honestly stopped caring about the setting at this point because it is clear that it has already been infiltrated by "modern" writers.

[@chucklytell]

Suffer not the alien, the mutant, nor the heretic to live. Simple as.

[@Lillywhite]

I instantly went to sub because of this video but found I'm already subbed. The Emperor protects.

[@GhostMaker00]

People who think the Imperium is the bad guys can't understand past harry potters level of good and evil.

[@Duppyman695]

I would think that's the other way round... isn't any 'Good Guys' and if you need 'Good Guys' then watch something like harry potter.... 40K is not Good VS Evil it's not black and white... it's Grey!

[@brassviking486]

Humans could probably be better than they are in the setting but if they were they'd be wiped out a long time ago.

[@Ayahuasca98]

People often forget Times have changed in the galaxy Humans gotta be ruthless. It’s why the naive tau are getting clobbered constantly.

[@corvus_armatura7595]

And only the more agressive ones survive.

[@coteraz8175]

I like new style bro! Old were meme like and fun but original one are better looking and stylish

[@Nyxcha]

very good video. had some friends asking about the dark age of technology, this is a good segment summary for it. and we really do need people to understand morality is determined not by our views, but the views of those living in that world that said, one question for ya danny. Tau arent a good race true. but what about the Farsight enclaves? They are isolationist, so don't have the same expansionism conflict with the imperium. and imperium seems fine with them being there as a bulkhead to the main tau and some ork empires.