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[@gabevieira8732]

When parking one of those we just used to drive the auger in the ground and set the top link on a short barrel to keep it off the ground. No wrestling and easy to hook back up.

[@liftyzig]

Came here to say the same, just bury the auger and unhook. Makes it way easier to hook back up later.

[@crowderscustomizing]

what about rust?

[@stevemc3265]

Mike I store my post hole under my tractor shed with it tied upright against the wall. When i need it i pick it up with the loader and take it to my shop and suspend it with my chain hoist. I turn the tractor around and use the chain hoist and trolley to support and move the post hole digger around while hooking it up. I take the post hole digger off in the reverse order. I am 65, and this is the easiest way I have found to do this job safely by myself. I enjoy all your videos. This is the first comment I have entered. I am in Georgia, and have a hobby farm, which is mostly wooded like yours. Keep up the good work.

[@python3574]

I built a stand (on casters) that holds the auger at the exact position I need it in to back up to it and hook it right up, plus I can move it around the barn wherever i want to. That said, I think a hydraulic auger is the way to go. No PTO shaft, you can mount it on the front, and it is reversible. Much, much nicer.

[@pipe887]

I love the detail and close up shots so I can understand and see what you are doing. Thanks.

[@kc-cd]

Mike, I welded a hook along the beam of my auger, I have a chain from hanging from a rafter and I connect it to the hook and it holds it up. At the very least, get some nuts for the stand that don't have locking threads.

[@SakimasRidgeHomestead]

Funny, we put our post hole digger on yesterday as well. We keep ours hanging in a similar way you lifted yours when we store it. Simply back up, hook up, lower the hanging strap, and go. Just as easy to take off in reverse.

[@michaeldougfir9807]

Well, I'm not the one to suggest anything to help with this. I'm just watching and learning. But I admire the smart suggestions that I have read so far. And I am amazed at all the things you can do with a 3 point hitch, the quick connect, and the various pins and other hardware that goes with this stuff.

[@subdrvr]

We hung ours from a rafter in the "implement shed" that had a cheap electric winch up in the rafters. Control was hanging and made hook ups easy. The shed was 7 stalls wide and we kept disk. cultivator. bush hog. trailer. and others in out of the rain. Lean to roof and three walls- all tin.

[@georgecharokee4570]

Great How To on the Post Hole Digger. I thought about buying one for my Kubota but now see its a pain in the Rear End to installed. Normally I'm using Post Post Hole Digger for a few holes but for my Future Farm, this will be a needed asset. Missing my Favorite Beautiful Smiling Face !!!

[@joesullivan3rd]

Mike, you can build a 2x4 stand on casters for the auger attachment with the front height being at roughly 1/2 height of your 3 point lift height. the front catch can be the 2 pins on the inside of the lift arms on your auger. The back of the stand should have a removable mid bar that can be inserted below the arch of the back boom at that mid height (preferably with a cut notch) , once you back into it. It can now be lowered into the stand like a reverse quick hitch. If my instructions are unclear or you want me draw you a set of plans, just let me know.

[@jamiefox9215]

I just built a stand out back 2 4x4 post 8ft long 2x8 to make a H stand and a length of chain and hang it from and I can pivot it into place. Works for me. They are a bear to put on when I first bought mine used from neighbor it was just laying on the floor of his barn what a circus! If I had more garage room like earlier post said extra chain hoist from rafters sounds really good ok keep up the great videos!

[@joegalligan9596]

Mike the easiest way to hook up your post hole digger is to take the auger off first , then hook it up. storing with the auger off you can basically back right up to it and hook up. I found this to be the easiest way yet without cursing and throwing wrenches. Have a wonderful day.

[@rexbarrett1643]

I hang mine from a rafter in the pole barn. Before I hung it in the barn, I felt like I was trying to stand up a dead body. It was a good way to get hurt. Now that it hangs I just back up to it and hook it to the lift arms and go. (I sure enjoy your videos Mike.)

[@thomasbrighton6159]

Mike, I founds this a prescient video. Just recently I was able to find a stand sold by Rural king to support my 3 point auger. Because I live in California, I had to ship the stand to my companies office in Minnesota, then have that office forward it to me in California.( rural king on line would not ship to Ca.) at the moment I have my auger stored in ground in a concrete hole that I dug and fitted with an inner and outer sono tube. The inner tube diameter lets me de drop the auger into the ground- the delta between the inner and outer tube was filled with cement to give me an in-ground casing.the hole was dug 4 ‘ deep then back filled with a foot of stone so the auger sits above the water level. It is still a pain to mount single handled- so I’m hopping the new stand will make storage easier.

[@allthingsdiymike1106]

Hey Mike, what i did with my PHD was I found 2 trees that look like a Y then used the PHD to dig to the correct depth to get to right hieght for my 3pt, put 1 Y tree in each hole the used another strong branch going across to support the 3pt by the gear box. now when i unhook the PHD from teh tractor i remove the one strong branch that goes between the the Y trees/posts , backup the tractor, put teh strong branch back in the Y's and lower down the 3pt so the phd by the gar box is resting on the branch, and unhook.

[@davidr3246]

“I think I’m just going to just drill holes all over the place now that it’s on”. Good one!

[@russvtguy]

Fought with it once and then welded a hook to the top of the boom and now hang it from a rafter in the equipment shed-----work smart not hard.

[@Nortekj]

I do mine the same way, mine didn't come with a stand so it made it even harder to mount to a tractor.

[@russvtguy]

@@Nortekj Haha , great minds think alike.

[@DIYMyWay]

@russvtguy Great idea! Takes the pain out of it.

[@thebradleysoncatbirdhill6849]

Mike: It makes me feel a lot better to see that even with all your experience and skill, you struggle with attachments like I do. I do have a question related to all of the attachments you use for your tractor. Maybe this was answered previously, but where do you store all of the equipment that you use? I keep finding I need more and more stuff, and I'm running out of places to put it. Any tips would be appreciated thanks, John

[@frankcadillac9151]

Mike, you almost have the solution, a tractor for each implement. Most post hole diggers I've seen have a lifting loop at the balance point. Sling them from a beam in the shed or barn with a cheap come-along. A friend using one for the first time screwed it all the way in the ground , front wheel came off the ground as PTO's don't have reverse we had to dig it out with shovels.

[@russellbowman8051]

Nice attachment!!👍👊

[@garylee4214]

I do like your size 11 fine adjustment tool . Thanks!

[@neilwines3024]

I think tractor mike on KZbin made a stand for his post hole digger. I tied mine to a pine tree one time. Still a pain in the backside. Enjoy the videos. Still working on our land. One day I hope to be setup with trails like you.

[@billonthehill9984]

Good job Mike. I liked your cheat method! I & I am sure many others out there with tractor attachments going on their 3 point hitches have dealt with most the issues you are dealing with here. Sometimes I get lucky & they go right on the 1st try, other times I'm swearing at it! My thinking on this implement is to put it on a pallet, perhaps a larger than normal pallet. Build a jig from some scrap 2 x 4's to hold it in place while you are backing up to it to align the hitch arm pivots. You gain a couple things doing this because it keeps the implement off the ground while not in use & might possibly make it easier to get it mounted without to much fussing around & thirdly, now you can get under it with your forks to move it around the yard or shed... Bill... :~)

[@hughgriffiths5837]

There’s gotta b a crib/cradle you could design up out of 2x4’s that it could set in allowing you to back right up to it. I actually always hook up the non adjustable bottom link first as thereafter you can adjust the other bottom link on as need be without having to readjust height on tractor. Lastly, I have found if I leave the PTO off until last, it allows for more movement, for the better, to align the bottom links. Good luck finding a better way Mike! Hooking up ANYTHING on the back end of a tractor is always an adventure you gotta make peace with lol. All the best to you and yours!

[@MeAndDad]

Mike is “going to drill holes all over the place” LOL! I love that guy

[@treetopflyersofva2]

Yep you have already figured it out. Here in Virginia I have several farmer friends that either hang theirs in their barn or shed out of the weather or they have a 4x4 post with two upright post at each end that they hang it from outside.

[@Hfoutdoorsyt]

Totally agree! Man they are aggravating.

[@MICROLASERWELDER]

You need your post hole digger stand to be high enough so you can hook it up to your three point hitch. Have your favorite welder whip one up for you. I started my comment with your two favorite words. Sorry Mike I had to do it. Have a day😁

[@Gnomemansgarage]

Hi Mike, I found the easiest way is to back up to a pole, or a tree and strap the auger to it really tight and un hook it , then next time it is ready to hook back up takes about 5 minutes . have a great day.

[@stevebradish7055]

I have an electric winch on a swinging boom in my barn and hang the auger from that. easy adjustment up and down and I swing the auger out of the way and hang it up off the ground for storage. No heavy or awkward lifting required.

[@chesterkowalski9550]

Well said Mike...those things are a big pain. Heck, depending on the implement, anything can be a challenge when you're by yourself! Always nice to have a ground man around, or in your case a Melissa!

[@2naturesownplace]

best mod I ever did on the old tractor, was a fork mount for the auger , hydraulic motor hosed into the power beyond. It turned a lil bit slower.. but that made it so easy.. And gave the ability to bore at angles. Will be redoing this on the new Tractor.

[@donbrutcher4501]

would like to see a vid or pics of that mod

[@davescorneroftheworld1147]

This what my Dad and I did in the 60's, 70's & 80's. Where we were going to store the post hole auger, we would just did a hole hole in the ground (with the post hole auger) clean it out what we could then leave it in the ground that way you can back up to it and you will have a little "Wiggle" room for hooking it up. Yes, the auger was in the ground all the time but ours never rusted to where it made it unusable. We used out often, we had somewhere around 385 acres in central Missouri. We had MILES and miles of fences for cattle, hogs, sheep and horses. Or, if you do not want to burry it in the ground you might put two posts about 4' tall in the ground very close to each other and tie the auger to it, that way it will not tip over and you will still have some "Wiggle" room. Just a couple of ideas. Best of luck and I love your videos.

[@erich_fuchs]

you just discovered the easy way ... buy a 2nd tractor ;-)

[@terrycastor8299]

A little bit? That was a BIG TIME cheat, but that's using your noodle too! I'd do it I had the equipment to do it.

[@BearHollowCamp01]

I had the same issue. Mine is an old Ford digger. it came with a big ring to hang it from. It lives on a big dogwood limb behind the barn most of the time.

[@waltermattson5566]

I like the idea people have about drilling a hole and leaving it there. A person could put a little grease on it and cover it when you are done.

[@patrickdoherty8063]

I never found it to be that difficult. The brush hog was my nemesis! 😊 We rarely stored ours with the auger attached, but even if it was the pivot points would allow the whole thing to be stretched out and lie flat on the ground. The arch doesn't weigh much, so pick it up and connect to the lower links. The boom then pivots off of the lower links while you line up up the top link pin. The power head gets drug towards the tractor along the ground, but also helps keep it in place. After the pins are in, raise the lift and connect the PTO shaft. I remember it being easy. Am I forgetting something? Also get that draw bar out of the way! 😊

[@vinsonhelton7141]

where you put the strap, my digger has a loop welded at the top where the boom bends. i built a door frame shaped holder in my shed. one side is anchored to the end of my work bench. i just back through the door frame shaped opening which has a hook at the top. hook it to the loop or eyelet and it hangs.

[@royhoco5748]

I store my post hole digger in the back of the shed where I park my tractor. I hung a chain hoist from a ceiling joist and built a stand for the auger to sit in. I attach the chain hoist to the boom of the digger and I can raise and lower the boom with one hand using the hoist until it is aligned to connect to the tractor this makes it easy as pie to hook the digger to the tractor. I also used large washers to make shims for each side of the boom where it connects to the back of the tractor. I welded 2 washers together and then welded a small diameter 3" bolt to the edge of the washers. I made one for each side of the boom. The bolt is a handle that lets me keep my fingers in the clear when installing the shims. the shims take a lot of the side to side movement out of the boom; When I have the boom in the right position I slide the washers in between the boom and the hole the pin that holds the boom to the tractor slides through then slide the pin in..

[@patrickmolen1427]

I thought I was the only one who used a foot hammer to mount implements.

[@happyrecluse2849]

Nah, It's called a boot hammer.😆

[@jimkimler9460]

That's good thinking on the forks. I learned something on that one

[@mikenathaniel1521]

Thanks pa pa, free show every time Mike. Peace!

[@billvinyard1091]

Mike I got the auger and had mine mounted to the top hole and when I raised the auger it hit the female remote and crushed it ! I put in the lower hole and it would not reach the remote . Cost me 30 $ for replacement

[@MrBillfrog]

OTG Augres has a terrific video on a stand that he built. I don’t know if you weld or have a friend that could build the stand but I feel it is worth a look.

[@CPUDOCTHE1]

We back them up to a corner of the fence, chain it to the corner post and it holds it upright while you hook/unhook.

[@johnr8476]

Hanging it from a rafter is probably best if you have room to do that, which I don't. so I take the auger off when I'm done and Put it back on after I the three point hitch part hooked up..

[@DoingItCheap]

Mine is kept suspended from an old swingset frame. Back under it. Strap it in place. Unhook and leave it where I can back right back into position.

[@outbackorchard]

Every year I have to use them around the orchard Mike, and your right, they aren't easy. So I always make sure I've got a second pair of hands.

[@jmasminster]

First thing do is take off the PTO shaft and auger. Makes it easier to mover around. Put the lower links about 2 inches off the ground. Hook up the lower links then the top link. Do a guess-da-ment on the height of the auger. Lower the 3 point till its close. Hook up the auger then the PTO shaft. Remember when digging you should do low RPM and shallow cuts. Also when digging you will have to slowly move the tractor forward or your hole will not be straight.

[@chuckpuyleart3177]

Mike, not much help on the post hole digger, but watching you struggle with taking off the quick hitch, I do have a suggestion. Attach it to a piece of equipment first and then unhook it. Then just back up to it and reattach.

[@dodgeman658]

Other then having a stand made as high as the top link so all you have to do is back in and hook up to it. But I found out it's easier with a second set of hands. But your right there is no easy way !

[@nathanobrien2159]

I built a simple 3 legged a frame. With a cable winch to raise and lower it. Works great!

[@jerrymorgan9602]

Yeah, they're a real pain to deal with. I thought about hanging mine from a rafter in the shed. I don't use it much so I took it apart and laid in a corner. They are good for mashing fingers.

[@Swamp46Daddy]

I found the balance point on the beam, welded a loop on, I had an old lawn swing, threw the swing and used the frame to hang it. Just back up hook and go.

[@allthingsdiymike1106]

i dug two holes in the ground about 3 feet apart, cut down a couple of trees that looked like a Y, about 7 feet tall or so, put them in the holes and backfilled(about 2 feet deep in hole) . then got another straight branch about 2 1/2 inches in diameter. back up the tractor in between the two Y poles with the phd raised , then put the straight branch under the boom by the gearbox, lower the 3pt and disconnect. pretty easy on and prettty easy to get off.

[@12cunow]

I used to hang mine from a purpose-built A-frame - I could move it all around the yard - back up to it - already in position - 60 seconds to hook and unhook.

[@davidcarrow5419]

Nice for planting trees apple, chestnut,arborvitae's around bottom of tower.

[@chrise4994]

Build a chain hoist station or a simple pully system to back into once you lift it.

[@lorenfassett3965]

Mike , Why on earth didn't you dig the 4 holes for your stand with the trackhoe??? I have a Kubota KX41-III . It has dug holes for all the wood and steel framed buildings that we built when I was contracting.. We preferred concrete piers made with sono tubes and poured level just above finish grade., You can just dump some dry sacrete in the holes and set a muffin block in each one, for your stand. 6x6's seam a bit of overkill, but it is your project. Looking forward to seeing it progress. Loren

[@lorenfassett3965]

Dan, When we were building wood and steel buildings we used sono tubes to form concrete pires which were 4' deep and esteneed up to finish grade. They had apropriate fasteners for 6x6" posts or anchor bolts for steel fram buildings in the top of them. I mikes situeaion he could pour a sona tube full of concreteup to grade, or dump some dry sacrete in the bottom of the hole and then set 2 4x8x16 concrete blocks side by side in the hole, or a precast concrete block made specifically for the purpose called a "muffin block" and bury the bottom end of the post. Loren@@DanKlein_1

[@StreetRocketJoe]

I'm there with you. There is no easy way to attach that damn thing. we just put up a fence around our garden plot. I had to switch from my spreader to my post hole auger. And it's an absolute bear. But as you said once it's attached it really makes up for what a pain it is to attach. You can dig some holes really quick.

[@darylwest560]

Store the auger separate from the frame. It’s one bolt to separate the two, then it’s easy to attach or detach the frame to the tractor. Then, with the frame hooked to the tractor it’s easy to attach the auger to the frame. Again one bolt.

[@stephengmeiner3264]

I’ve never struggled with mine only because I don’t have one! I almost bought one last year but couldn’t find one that would drill deep enough so I sunk 53 posts with my backhoe. Overkill? Yeah but I wasn’t going to do it by hand. After seeing you struggle I’m thinking I’m better off not having bought one. Thanks for the video.

[@ac283]

The easiest way I've every found was to backup to a tree and strap it to the tree, then disconnect. Re-connection was pretty easy from there. Cover it with a tarp but it's still in the weather. Right now mine is hanging from a $130, 1000 lb. lift from Harbor Freight and inside the garage.

[@hmrbruce]

I store mine by digging it about half a hole then stop unhook drive away then it stands up by itself to rebook it up. Maybe not the best but it works

[@backtobasicstipswithtomrib19]

I have an old Ford 8N I hook the outside lifts up first then the hook up the drive. You can use the the lift to level the drive.

[@douglashingsbergen4304]

I had been thinking about getting a three point auger. After watching the hookup, I think I'm going to hold off and keep using my gas powered auger. I think I can dig the holes and set the posts in less time than hooking that auger up to the tractor.

[@bertram_oredrock]

A cordless 1/2 inch drive impact wrench would make it a lot quicker. Excellent video. I'm learning a lot from you.

[@optimoprimo132]

That was classic! "I only have 4 holes to dig but I think I'm going to go dig a bunch of holes all over the place now that it's on." Exactly! Lol

[@johnkummer7578]

Mike take one of your rounds and hollow out the center to hold the bit. Once in the hole the bit will keep the rest of it upright and you would be able to lift the 3 point to you tractor. Once hooked up you would be able to lift the bit out of the tree round with the hole and you are hitched up with your post hole digger. the only thing you would need their stand for would be to put the three point on the ground for storage and not the bit.

[@bradfoster6255]

I hang mine from the chainfall in the barn to mount it and remove it from the tractor. I tried it once without doing that and it was like trying to wrestle an octopus!😀

[@Mooshka9]

Depending where you store the post hole digger, maybe you could find a place where you could hang it at the right height for on and off ease.

[@vancasdorph3951]

Just about anything that requires the PTO shaft is a pain to hook up! I’ll be waiting for your video on operating that. We have been talking about getting one since we will have to do some fence lines and plant a lot of trees.

[@hilltopper34w1]

Get a stick of schedule 40 pvc a little larger than the most used auger. Bury the pipe vertically deep enough to make the attachment points line up with the tractor lift arms. It's almost like having a quick attached PHD!

[@keithbyrd1226]

I have found it easier to drill a hole and leave it in the hole to unhook and hook up. It keeps it from falling over.

[@880shooter]

Drilling a hole and leaving it in there is the best way, I was thinking the same thing

[@CVP-og9pw]

Most of the models I find here in italy all have a bipod that you can engage when parking it so the three point attachment stays above the ground

[@brandonagnew2746]

Hi Mike my name is Brandon. I am from Dallas, Pa. After watching you have a hard time putting that post hole digger onto the tractor if I were you I would put it on there and never taking it off.

[@WormHoleFarming]

I've got mine chained upright to a fence post. I don't think there is no easy way of hooking it up. I hate to hook it up but, as you said , beats digging by hand. I bought a post driver because I hate hooking up the digger.

[@barrycrump2515]

We back it up to a tree/post and strap it standing up. May want to try it.

[@nccattleman1971]

Two post in the ground chain around the back of the post is how i store mine i can pick up the arm and hook it to the tractor the two post keeps it from falling over and the chain keeps it from tipping backwards.

[@dallaspierce988]

I built a 2x4 (treated) stand custom size for mine.. less than $20.00 material, 30 min labor.. Saved me $1000's in time and tools.. (The ones I use to throw across the field.. LOL.. I feel your pain. Will take a pic and send if ya want..

[@jesseeller7040]

Built a frame to hang it from. Impossible to hook mine up alone. Just back up close to it, got enough room to swing it around and hook up.

[@edwardkenny2356]

Good afternoon Mike... While working for the County, I had an auger attachment which I heard to use maybe once a year, and yep, my sentiment exactly. Uggghhhhhhhh.

[@mikehornsby599]

I agree I told my wife I need 2 Tractor 1 for bush hog & 1 for box blade !!!!

[@r.m.3655]

Is there enough torque on the RK24 to add and use an stump auger attachment?

[@JohnSmith-tv5ep]

MIKE, looks like a "hole" lotta wrestlemania goin on! , but it sure do beat the old way, especially when digging the LAST hole and you hit the infamous ...large ...flat ...rock!

[@unclemike4329]

I have mine chained to a pole in my shed and have a ratchet strap hanging down and wrapped around the upper arm close to the height I need. Just back up, put pins in, and unchain from wall and your are ready to go.

[@olddawgdreaming5715]

Hey Mike, let's weigh the difference between hook up time and the time spent on the manual hole digger, blisters, sore muscles, bad aching back, no work for a couple days??? Looks good the way you hooked it up today though. Thanks for sharing, keep up the good videos, we enjoy them.

[@davejalenderki]

I was thinking that using a pair of come a longs and suspend it by its balance point would be much easier if you didn't want to store the auger in a dirt hole.

[@seanworkman431]

Get a quick hitch auger on the excavator next time that's in the area, beats the 3 point link but just drill into into the ground till you need to use it again.

[@richardbartholomew3685]

I love the size 11 (?) quick attach boot kick. I have personally used that method many times. Lol. You could have Melissa hold the digger up for you. Just something to consider. Did you get that storm yesterday with the high winds? Thought about you as I was driving back from from Columbus in that rain. 👍👍

[@philmccoy2808]

As just stated, I have mine hung from rafter in tractor shed...Less fighting, pivots easy when attaching....By the way can you tell me brand of grapple that is on your tractors?

[@OutdoorsWithTheMorgans]

RK by Top Dog Granite Grapples

[@philmccoy2808]

@@OutdoorsWithTheMorgans Thank you, I stopped at a Rural King in Florida on my way home yesterday. There were no RK tractors with Grapples so I wasnt sure...

[@philipirwin5286]

I have seen where some people with 3pt post hole diggers auger two posts into the ground a couple feet apart, then put a easily removable board across the top of them at the level to where the bottom pins are where they need to be to back into them. The top post would be about where you put your strap to lift it from. To use it you would remove the top board, back the tractor and post hole digger in between the two upright posts. Raise the digger to a higher level, put the top board/post in place, then lower the digger onto the top post, and unhook from the tractor. Should keep everything off the ground, except maybe the tip of the bit.

[@philipirwin5286]

Or get a hydraulic post hole auger, ssqa attachment, just sits on a pallet in the garage.

[@jestersv6694]

Yes they are a pita! I pull off the auger then power head is low to the ground.

[@susanparadis285]

practice makes perfect

[@beavercreekdesign]

Besides laying down, I have only seen them suspended in the air under a shed or like an a-frame.

[@MikeFireRat]

Find a place to store your post hole bigger and dig a hole deep then leave it there and disconnect the post hole digger and there you have it standing up ready for next time just put some timber under the 3 point links

[@32Jarrod]

Step 1 - Remove the auger from the gearbox shaft. Step 2 - Remove the pin that holds the gearbox to the top arm; place gearbox on top of a barrel or chair. Step 3 - Without the gearbox and auger attached, it is now easy to attach the arm and lift bars to the tractor. Step 4 - Once attached, now move the arm into position and attach the gearbox to the top arm (reverse step 2). Step 5 - Connect PTO shaft to tractor. Step 6 - Attach auger. Reverse steps to detach PHD from tractor. Leave PHD parts disassembled until next time...

[@bigbigby4657]

Hey Mike, watch a video on KZbin called "An inexpensive post hole digger stand" by Tractor Mike... I'm going to get myself one made by the local welding shop one of these days (with wheels on it).... Don't forget to take your draw bar off and hook up your pto shaft cover safety chain. I just run mine around the link arm on the left side (since pto rotates clockwise to the right) and clip the chain back onto itself.👍

[@bobbypearce7339]

Hi Mike, got a video request , purchased a 6ft brush hog a couple days ago, the tractor I want to use it on has been gone a couple months having a front end loader installed. Question is , will it fit my compact tractor a Mccormick jh50h , about the size of your rk37 , spread of the rear lift are my concern. Thanks , Bobby Pearceen

[@John-kp4wy]

i give you credit mike! i would have said a handful of "choice words" in that battle.