(44)Old Trek Inconsistencies

[@fatenabu1]

Gene Roddenberry's life and treatment of people vs what fans insists he held true as values biggest inconsistency ever :P

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

LOL

[@BNuts]

Poor treatment of people is not a joke. Please do not laugh at them. We can still, however, separate an artist who was a bad person from their good art. As long as they didn't kill another person.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

@@BNuts No one is laughing at the people who were badly treated, but at the joke itself that was made here... Notice the ":P" at the end of the OP comment? That denotes the spirit it is intended as, a joke... Also, your services as moderator and/ or moral police are not desired nor required by this channel... Im doing absolutely fine without them... This is your only warning...

[@travisbishop782]

Ain't that the truth!

[@andrewpyrah]

LOL indeed. He was a writer and a creator not a saint.

[@AramosVR]

So true which is kinda sad, can’t we all just get along and enjoy Star Trek for what it is?

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Exactly! :)

[@k1productions87]

The saddest part is, the exact same "its not real Star Trek" argument had been used against every single new Star Trek series ever made after TOS. Ironically the one that got the least backlash against it was Voyager, and it was the one that floundered and stagnated the most.

[@admiralsquatbar127]

Trek Gatekeepers are exactly the same as Star Wars Gatekeepers. They think that only they understand the lore, and with absolutely no sense of irony say that anything that is new is rubbish and violates the lore. I say bugger that, enjoy what you want to enjoy. Life is too short.

[@LMG1792]

Yep sadly it’s the same in almost all fandoms

[@shalewadaniels8563]

@@admiralsquatbar127 That's exactly right. You've nailed it!!

[@paulgrattan3885]

Another inconsistency is Trilithium. In the episode where the Enterprise is basically going through a Trek version of a car wash criminals board her to steal trilithium a waste by product of warp cores. However by the film Generations Trilithium has become something largely unknown by Starfleet. It's become an experimental compound created by the Romulans. Either a retcon or inconsistency in the TNG era.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Another great inconsistency! Thank you for sharing :)

[@jumbo128]

And then swings back the other way in Voyager when Harry Kim and Tom Paris are arrested for allegedly using Voyagers warp drive to make trillium Bombs for terrorist attacks.

[@stangundam01]

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios was another of the inconsistencies the quantum slipstream tech being different from hope & fear & the ep where chakotay & harry try to change time because of a problem with it or the ep threshold being a contradiction with tng all good things & TOS with both nomad & the andromedians about warp speed?

[@rubaiyat300]

Wasn't it trilithium resin? Could be something different.

[@salenstormwing]

The only thing consistence with Star Trek lore is the inconsistencies. Maybe folks should just repeat the MST3K mantra when watching Trek: "If you're wondering how he eats and breathes And other science facts Then repeat to yourself 'It's just a show, I should really just relax.'"

[@TheHeroRises]

I get you. Personally I’m not a big fan of “New Trek” not because of the cosmetic changes or the minutia of in universe procedures. For me it just doesn’t feel like Trek. It’s too dark. Not hopeful. A bit pandering. I get each series is a product of its time but I think it’s gone too far for my taste. It just doesn’t feel unique anymore.

[@TheSeper]

Careful this will likely trigger gatekeepers who think all og Star Trek is FLAWLESS LOL! Great video man!

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

You got that right! That's ok though, Ive never been scared of standing up for the truth :)

[@randallburke3562]

Doesn't B'lanna's dad supposedly leave her and her mom when she's 8 or something like that , then later it'd 12? I'd have to rewatch the original episodes. I'm pretty sure the dates changed. Just one example.

[@BigJeremyBeyer]

I think most of the continuity errors go away if you ignore TOS and it's movies, and that is hilarious to me.

[@martinstallard2742]

Two inconsistent I spotted One: after Dr Bashier was outed as genetically augmented an Admiral mistakenly says that the Eugenics wars happened 200 years earlier despite occurring during the 1990's Two: the number of shuttle's Voyager goes throughout it's 7 year journey

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Absolutely, 2 further inconsistencies! Well done :)

[@salenstormwing]

History overhyped the "Eugenics War". The real Eugenics War involved an Eastern warlord teaming up with an alien against 4 genetically modified reptiles who knew martial arts and ate pizza. The fight started in '87 and lasted 10 seasons and spawned several rebooted series. I'm just mad history left out the part about the teenagers with attitude saving the earth with giant robot mecha.

[@NeilBlumengarten]

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios Then there's the ban on Eugenics/Augmentation/etc. In TNG season 2's "Unnatural Selection" the experiments the Darwin Genetic Research Station are performing are nothing if not augmentation. They are literally doing the same things that led to Khan and his people's creation, but even more, as these beings are telepathic! Memory Alpha says it's affiliated with the Federation, but even if they were independent, the Lantree visited and gave them supplies, so (1) the Federation was not unaware of the experiments and (2) even if the station wasn't Federation, it was still being supplied by them, which is a tacit approval, if not a a full on, "Yes, what you're doing is totally cool." Does that make sense to you?* *Sorry, don't mean to signal you out, but I've been watching your videos on TNG's mistakes and I can hear your voice asking that question!

[@JaredLS10]

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios Or somehow Voyagers shuttlebay can fit a full compliment of shuttles, the flyer, neelixs ship and others. Did Janeway make a deal with the Doctor and get some Timelord tech installed?

[@k1productions87]

What's worse is, TNG completely ignored the Eugenics Wars entirely, even going so far as HAVING Eugenics in a season 2 episode ("unnatural selection") and making no mention of Trek's own history what-so-ever. They even use the word eugenics int he episode, if I remember correctly

[@mahlkov]

The SNL skit where Shatner tells Trekkies to get lives and move out of their parents' basements applies here. It's entertainment, not history! There are plenty of real-world problems to devote one's energy towards. Actually, virtually everyone in these debates should find more productive outlets for their wrath...like season 4 of BSG!! ;)

[@TheGeekLife1]

This was a well made video. I've always had a "cut-off" of sorts for inconsistencies (as far as my own enjoyment of Star Trek goes), so that anything below a certain level of inaccuracy does get ignored. I know these shows are written by different teams of writers, and sometimes even different episodes might have a different team. So things like the number of decks on the Enterprise-E, or the EMH having/not having a backup program I can overlook, because people are just trying to tell their story. It's when the changes get too radical does it begin to affect my enjoyment, and I suppose that's my biggest complaint against Discovery. I still enjoy the show, but the universe is so radically different from what is shown to be coming in just a decade, that I can't really get behind it. I agree with you though, that if you like Star Trek (doesn't matter which one) that makes you a Star Trek fan.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Thank you so very much! I firmly believe in everyone being allowed to have their own opinions and watch and enjoy whatever Treks they want to, and not try to shame others for living that Diversity fundamental of Trek! :)

[@benjamindrayton1380]

I always felt it was the tone of discovery that made it feel "not trek" to me. However as a piece of sci-fi entertainment I do enjoy it.

[@andrewmalinowski6673]

Other than the number of decks, certain details like the EMH Backup Module (shouldn't this have prevented his degradation?) I've overlooked because in some cases they are only "trivial" in respect to the larger plot. It might be the same for other fans

[@smcclurk]

Thank you so much. This needed to be said. Too many haters of the New Trek were the same people that hated every new series of Star Trek (TNG, DS9, Voyager, Enterprise) only to remember them fondly when the next new series comes out to hate. I remember when each one debuted and how they were received. I foolishly let their hate comments about Discovery keep me from watching it for almost 2 years, but when I did I was absolutely shocked. It was far better than anything I had heard. And that Season 2 Discovery finale? It is amazing. It also firmly works out how it can still fit in the canon and be so dramatically different from the established Star Trek history. Thank you sir. Well done.

Another inconsistency for them DSC Klingon haters: Honour wasn’t a thing for them back in TOS.

[@travisbishop782]

That is true.

[@k1productions87]

Its not only the inconsistencies, but also the argument that "why do we never see that advanced technology again?" One could make a whole list of advanced technologies or techniques that could have been used later, but are never seen again. Here are a few A device that you can beam down to the surface and transmit your ship's main weaponry through from orbit - "the Cage"/"The Menagerie" Setting ship's weapons to stun to knock out a city block of people - "A Piece of the Action" Slingshot "Breakaway" maneuver to travel back in time - "Tomorrow is Yesterday", "Assignment Earth", Star Trek IV the Voyage Home ... imagine how many lives could have been saved at Wolf 359 if Picard just did a slingshot around the star after arriving in the lifeless debris field And for anyone whining about the "why do they have holograms a century early?" the holographic communications we see in Discovery are just projections of light, NOT "Photonic" as not only are they translucent but clearly have no physical substance. Hell, we can almost do that TODAY. and that is the big problem with much of the tech in TOS, we have already surpassed much of it in the 21st Century.

[@kensmith2285]

Love the video. It amazes me how people get upset about little things, but nobody's perfect. Inconsistencies to me in Star Trek aren't even that much of a big deal to me.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Exactly :)

[@tomgon3D]

Nothing in Star Trek is as consistent as Klingons changing

[@kurtistharp2031]

There is some inconsistency with the number of decks on the Enterprise-A in Star Trek V, namely the scene where Kirk, McCoy, and Spock are flying up the out of order turboshaft on Spock's rocket boots. And the folks that gripe about the look of discovery have forgotten or are unaware of Star Trek phase II, from which the model for Discovery was based. Great episode, you're doing good work here and I'm looking forward to the next one 😃

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Another great example of an inconsistency, and also a very valid point ;)

[@thesageofgames1871]

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios Yes, i remember that movie. They are flying UP so the numbers should have been 1) getting SMALLER and 2) should never have gone over 21, but in that scene its going Deck 76 Deck 54 Deck 74/75 Deck 54 Deck 76 Deck 83. If those were in anyway accurate, the 1701-A would have likely been 4 times bigger than the Kelvin Timeline and would have been a dreadnought battleship by the standards of the time. I'm surprised the ship wasn't blue and had the words "police call box" on the hull.

[@VidIan262009]

Yeah whoever designed that set was looking at the way ships in our day and age number their decks - ie from the bottom/waterline going up. But in Trek’s day the ships are numbered from the top/bridge going down. Some set dresser just didn’t do their Trek research!

[@samuraiartguy]

I remember that one, hurt my brain in the theatre.

[@ussvoyager8650]

Star Trek may have Inconsistencies but I still love it

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Exactly :P

[@YanksPride1]

Spock tells Uhura that Vulcan has no moons, yet in The Motion Picture it has TWO

[@SC-mq1eh]

And Vulcans can handle bright light, but he has to shield his eyes from moonlight!!

[@JK-gp2rh]

All of discovery's inconsistencies with explanation: The new Klingon look: how long have you been watching star trek? The federation would never go to war: have you heard of the Dominion (seriously watch deep space 9) The federation will always find a way to reason with species: have you head of the Borg (even gene roddenberry introduced them) The use of hologram technology: this could actually have a canon explanation for it. It could be said that the federation developed hologram communications however at the time it was so energy inefficient that they removed the holoemitters neccessary from the ships and kinda put the tech on the back burner until late 24 century where they created the EMH. The spore drive: seriously this has been explained in the show. First off, the technology has been highly classified (not even captain Pike knew about it until he came on to the discovery. That's how secretive this whole project was. I'm mean seriously this thing is more secretive than the omega directive). Second, the spore drive was only on the cross field class ship and two were ever created into existence. The USS discovery and The USS Glenn. of you got past episode three you will know what happened to the Glenn leaving the discovery with the only spore drive on existence. And finally, "officially" according to starfleet records the Discovery was destroyed in combat with all hands and was never to be spoken of again. Unofficially however The discovery went to 930 years into the future to protect the sphere data from control. If you're going to complain about Discovery complain about how messy the writing is. That's the main problem with the show.

[@KEVMAN7987]

Star Trek continuity has inconsistencies? I am shocked, SHOCKED! *SHOCKED*

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

LOL I know right? :P

[@projectfanboy]

I've never watched Star Trek as it was coming out until Discovery, I watched TOS back in the '80s with my Dad but that was it as I was "to cool" for it when TNG aired in the UK. Thank you for doing these videos as it makes me want to go back and watch TNG, DS9, Enterprise, and Voyager to see what I missed.

[@GrayCynic]

Nothing is perfect, not even Star Trek. But it is an entertaining franchise and especially the old series give rise to hope for a better humanity.

[@ServantOfOdin]

I think Ex-Astris-Scientia by Bernd Schneider has an entire Subsection devoted to the funky inconsistencies.... The only caveat I bear is with Scotty. Cut that old walloper some slack, will ye! He's been in a transporter buffer for almost his own lifespan all over. Can ye fergive tha' auld man brain a wee slipup? ;)

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

LOL

[@YanksPride1]

the part of his brain with the memory engram of Kirk's death deteriorated in the pattern buffer

[@inquirohaqq1472]

I do think you should make as series of videos pertaining to those major inconsistencies. Your series about problems within episodes is definitely something I and other viewers enjoy, but having a video(s) to reference that is full of inconsistencies would be a great counter to ppl like Midnight's Edge and Doomcock Dvd and others that bash Disco and Picard.

[@robmckee5295]

CBS owns the franchise and we do not, so we can deal with it or refuse to consume Star Trek.

[@esbenandreasen6332]

I don't dislike Nu Trek because of inconsistencies. I dislike it because it is untrue to Gene L. Coon's original vision of a utopian future. It also relies on emotional storytelling instead of cerebral plotlines, and that is its ultimate betrayal of the Star Trek spirit.

[@killerninjakitty815]

Thanks for another good video. I don't think inconsistencies but hiccups in the timeline that's why we have temporal investigations. It could also be trek and from what you've shown us the man himself, showing us that no matter how far we've come at times we're all still human and make mistakes.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

You're very welcome :)

[@kungfuwitcher7621]

One of the worst aspects of social media platforms is that idiots can claim want they want, then other idiots believe it as gospal truth. I have been a trek fan for decades, its all good and the inconsistencies are fun to look to for.

[@gamechris85]

I hope you make a part 2, 3,... of this video. It's fun to watch this list

[@hautboisixx8540]

.. i love your work .. it's well researched , well put together , and well presented .. bravo !

[@tonosama516]

Thank you much for addressing this. It’s such relief to hear someone else knock down the “bullet counters”. I’ve developed the practice of retconning explanations to complaints about minutiae from my friends. Most of the time, the answer takes place off screen, such as when Jack Bauer eats and uses the toilet on “24”. It’s obvious to me that he does it at the same time as the viewers do, during the ad break!

[@5150MT]

Thank you, thank you, thank you. I've been fed up of new trek haters for a long time now. If they don't like it then stop making excuses and just grow a pair and say they don't like it. You can't expect it to be the same as TOS or TNG as science has changed so much from when they came out. If you don't like it then don't watch it, it's as simple as that. In my opinion I enjoy Discovery and I'm really interested to see where the story goes but I also understand if some don't. So sad to see some in the community hating on others. To hate on others just shows how much they miss the point in trek's morality lessons. Rant over!! Live long and prosper.🖖

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

You are very welcome my friend ;) :)

[@KRSeriphem]

The other thing is... Every show is it's own thing. Star Trek is Star Trek, Nex Gen is next gen, DS9 and so on. Shows deserve to be critqued based on their own merits. The idea a show has to do things a certain way or look a certain way just because they exist in a continutiy with other shows limits what creatives can do. Opinons are always personal, don't take someone elses.

[@simonkerr1899]

I like the new trek but out of Discovery and Picard I prefer Picard. Its amazing how so many Trek fans are closed to the idea of something new. Great video and very good points made.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

I know what you mean Simon, it's very saddening :(

[@evilwarcow]

Thank you for providing a safe haven for us to co-exist much like how George Takei worked hard on star peace to provide a safe haven for those who like BOTH Star Trek and Star Wars. I too am a Star Peace'er myself. One inconsistency that I have noticed was them saying that there's no money in the future, but yet, in Encounter at Far-point you see Beverly Crusher buying stuff with money. And you hear Janeway saying that she bought something as well in the Alpha Quadrant and such. Which makes me make minor wounded animal noises every time they go to pay for the pizza in Star Trek IV - The Voyage Home. (Almost called it "The Undiscovered Country" But I dropped out of warp before I could complete it. End of confession)

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

You are very welcome! And indeed, the money thing has been a constant inconsistency through out Trek :)

[@glenhelwig8857]

I was 7 years old when Trek premiered in 1966 and have watched them all till I got to Discovery, I was one of those that pointed out all the inconsistencies after I watched the first few episodes. I think older Star Trek fans have a harder time with change than younger Trek fans. That being said, I've had many discussions with people on Facebook Star Trek groups and have revised my way of thinking. I now know that there were many inconsistencies in the first treks and your video confirmed all that I had realized were inconsistencies. I now can watch Discovery and Picard and just enjoy them for what they are. They are still Trek, just different. Very good video by the way, enjoy all of yours.

[@stephenshaunkelly4519]

"I no want to. I no want... insert new Star Trek series here" seems to be a running theme for the Star Trek fan base. I seem to remember a lot of people whining and whingeing about Star Trek Enterprise and then some months or years after the last episode aired. "want more Star Trek" or " why did Star Trek Enterprise get cancelled we want it back". It seems quite Commonplace in the past 20 years for fans to complain when they get something new that's not quite what they were expecting and then as soon as it's over going "oh I didn't want that too end I was just starting to like it actually. It's not fair it's not my fault people don't like it." It makes being a fan of any franchise difficult

[@lovipoekimo176]

The fans of TOS complained about TNG too

[@elshid6046]

First of all, I would like to thank you for your immense amount of research that you have made to produce this video. I imagine that you would be a great scientist, especially in terms of making peer reviews (merely fact checking scientific papers before release). Secondly, I think that in a few years, the conflicts in fandom concerning new trek are starting to settle, as we see it with ENT. In the beginning, there were heavy debates concerning ENT, but they now get less attention or even stopped due to the fact that there are new topics and series to discuss and that that ENT is now a part of the history of star trek. And remember: we also had those debates about "real Star Trek" in the early days of TNG, but today, TNG is an integral part of the Star Trek lore. I hope that this is the fate of the Star Trek series and movies we today call "new Trek" and that this time will be remembered as the second golden age of Star Trek and that the franchise will continue to thrive. Live Long and Prosper

[@mikep1592]

Regardless of mistakes, errors, or inconsistencies, I am and always have been a Trekkie. It is science fiction after all. Every Trek series has brought me happiness, joy, intrigue, and wonder. IDIC can not be stated enough. Peace and long life 🖖🏽

[@matthewjay660]

I just like Star Trek, ancient, old, and new... period. Damn, these are so many good points, though, Tri.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Thanks Matthew :)

[@MrSpike320]

One thing that I always noticed was ships going to warp while within a solar system. It's mentioned in both TMP and the DS9 episode "By Inferno's Light" about how dangerous it is to go to warp while in a star system. But in the TOS episode "Tomorrow Is Yesterday", the Enterprise flies towards the sun at high warp. In STIII, the Enterprise warps toward the Genesis planet right after leaving spacedock in Earth's orbit. In STIV, the bird of prey enters warp while still in Earth's atmosphere. And in the Abram's films, the Enterprise was always coming out of warp near orbit of Vulcan, Earth, the moon, Saturn, and so forth.

[@morlockmeat]

You are absolutely right! 🖖🏼

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Thank you :)

[@marcushall6821]

I honestly want to thank you for this video. I understand what canonical Star Trek is. But I also understand how people are trying to expand and make Star Trek even greater. And I appreciate their efforts because I know they love Star Trek. I'm all for whatever keeps the franchise going. 💪🏼💯

[@gaylynn209]

Great video, and much appreciative of your long research of these episodes/inconsistencies. I Like old, middle, new and future trek.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Glad you enjoyed it! And glad that you keep being you! Keep trekking :)

[@calimann83]

Thank you for this video. It put into words a lot of what I have been thinking. One more thing on the Klingons that I have always found funny. Not only did we have the major change in TMP but they have also gone though subtle changes though out the later series. Worfs ridges goes though a couple small changes throughout TNG. He kind of looks funky in season 1. What’s nuts about all this though is that I have always thought inconsistencies where a part of trek. It’s one of the things trekies like to do; talk about them and try to work them out to find explanations. I enjoyed doing that with people online (a long time ago). Then suddenly we aren’t allowed to do that with discovery. It’s to bad. Anyways good job.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Thank you so much :)

[@colonelquack]

"Olde Trek was ALWAAAAYS consistent." Oh, you cheeky blighter. I think we can agree there are (at least) three levels of consistency: Within an episode, within the series, and within general canon. Bad storywriting leads to "But you just said a scene ago..."

[@JasonHalversonjaydog]

yeah i remember on TNG when they first encountered the borg, exploring their ship they found a borg nursery, then later they said borg don't have babies, they only assimilate new species. and that point about the number of decks in Nemesis, that's a new enterprise after enterprise D was destroyed in generations. then so it could have more decks than the one before

[@trevintyndall2318]

This was a great video. Very interesting to see all the mistakes and you make great points!

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@TheJoker1701]

To keep myself sane I usually think that Enterprise, Discovery and the rest of New trek are in a parallel universe lol

[@imptv]

Amen! Thanks for doing this.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

My pleasure Eric! :)

[@imptv]

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios I said this over on Ketwolski's channel earlier, but it really holds true for the work you're doing here too! Thank you for fighting the good fight against the Fanatic Maligners, AKA the Frequently Mistaken, AKA the Fabulistes Médiocres. I hate that they've managed to build and somehow keep such a large audience based on manufactured outrage and lies, but given the state of the US, maybe I shouldn't be surprised. I expect better from Star Trek fans. We're supposed to be curious, open minded, guided by reason AND empathy. Of course, I'm not sure these pompous pundits of negativity ever really loved Star Trek and even if they did, they long ago traded in any shred of authenticity for profit. In this war, you may be a scrappy underdog, but if DS9 taught us anything, it's that little ships can still pack a punch! The community that you and other positive TrekTubers are building will win out in the end, either when these parasites find a more profitable target to latch onto or maybe people will simply wise up to their racket, get bored, and move on. Either way, as a creator you conduct yourself in a way that honors the ethos of Star Trek and I commend you! LLAP!

I used to be bothered by inconsistencies, but I now accept that being a series that is so long, mistakes will exist. Can’t expect the writers to remember every single thing. Sometimes, things have to be ignored for some stories to work, however unfortunate that is.

[@Klydesdale2010]

Great video, I completely agree with all your statements and more hard core fans of Star Trek need to relax a bit IMHO. I don't know if you caught this, but in Star Trek First Contact: 1. Picard is able to turn off the safety protocol for the holodeck (he does not do this verbally, I'm assuming that he keys it in when selecting the holodeck program). Also, he is wandering around the ship and the borg do not recognise him at all, though we are shown in other episodes (hue, and in the picard series), that the borg do recognise him as Locutus. I think that alot of the complainers need to calm down and use their imagination. A big complaint I always hear is how the technology looks more advanced for prequel shows (Enterprise, Discovery), then for TOG, TNG, DS9, etc. The truth is that its to do with the budgets of the shows. There was not that much money back in the 60's compared to the 90's, or today. Klingons were just dirty rough looking humans in different uniforms, and now they have forehead ridges. Just accept it and enjoy the show and the story. Phasers, torpedoes, the ships, explosions, etc, will change because special effects get better, computers and software used in the post production get more powerful, and more cost effective. And I don't know about everyone else, but this video was so entertaining, I personally would not mind seeing more, even "hours" as you claim. I would enjoy it. Keep up the great work!

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Thank you! And indeed I caught that one too! And glad you did as well :) And I dont know, wouldnt it get really boring after a while :P

[@TwinPeaksIndustries]

Also, TOS surely looked very futuristic when it first aired. Not so much anymore

[@UncleBearski]

People who worked with Roddenberry remember that he used to handle canon not on a series-by-series basis nor an episode-by-episode basis, but point by point. If he changed his mind on something, or if a fact in one episode contradicted what he considered to be a more important fact in another episode, he had no problem declaring that specific point non-canon.

[@JShelley720]

Great video as always, love your channel.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Thank you very much! :)

[@JShelley720]

Still shocked Voyager went only through 123 torpedoes...seems like they went through 147 shuttles alone.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

I know right? :P

[@JShelley720]

As a fan I can overlook many inconsistencies, some are a bit cringeworthy but I get why they happen, but new trek or nutrek seems to try to not make as many inconsistencies as some other series. The inconsistencies are going to happen when a franchise has lasted for as long as trek, I love that we have new star trek on streaming services.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Exactly right... We as fans can choose to overlook the Inconsistencies and just enjoy the show, or make a big deal about it... It's all in our own hands!

[@paulscott2037]

I always treat inconcistancies in Trek as an opportunity for fun, creative thought exercises. Why did another Intrepid class have the same mess hall as Voyager? Because Neelix rearranged it based on pre-existing variant plans in the starfleet database. Why do Trill look different in TNG? Because there two subspecies of Trill. It's fun. And I love doing the same for Disco. But some inconsistencies are there that you can't talk your way out of and at that point you just have to sit back and enjoy the work for what it is. I wouldn't really mind the New Trek haters if that was all they disliked. Some people just can't suspend their disbelief as much as others and that's ok. And some people just don't like the writing and the pacing of the new show and that is also ok. But way WAY too often these people start talking about how the makers don't know what they're doing and don't respect the show and hate Trek and the Cast are talentless hacks and that's where I draw the line because then they're just being vicious and cruel. Like there is a keen difference between saying that you don't like an actor's particular style and saying that they are a terrible actor, or an ugly actor (I once had an argument with a guy who said that he didn't like Tilly, not because she was a bad actor but because she was too fat to be a Starfleet officer) and you only need to see the level of detail the writers and crew put into the tiniest details to see that these people have a passion for what they're doing, and all they are doing is creating the Trek show that they want to make that has its own direction and it's own feel that has maximum respect for what came before without feeling confined by it and that is exactly what any new Trek should be.

[@endersftd]

3:28 Bajoran tricorder!

[@philiptite1082]

I always enjoy your videos. You tend to bring a fresh perspective that is also very welcoming, regardless of what side of a debate someone may fall on. The inconsistencies are certainly there in "old" Trek as well as "new" Trek -- though I'm less clear on what constitutes new Trek (do we begin with the 2009 reboot, ST Discovery, or do we go back to ENT or even TNG?). As for the inconsistencies, I think it is more profound when found within a given series or period. TOS, for example, has lots of inconsistencies; largely these are tied to back story (e.g., Vulcan being conquered). The same with the Klingons as part of the Federation (doesn't Q refer to them as conquered by humans?). I think these are moments of "finding one's way" in putting a series together. Inconsistencies between series, however, strike me as being acts of reading or, as Bloom would put it, misreading for the sake of creative interpretation and transformation of intertextual activation of material. Some inconsistencies are (1) rose-tinted glasses even for script writers, (2) minor errors arising from telling new stories in a convoluted continuity (all longstanding franchises face this problem), or (3) deliberate disrespect and dismissal of past continuity (and often of those fans viewed as traditional). The third is what most fans (I think) are upset about -- and often attribute to other acts of inconsistency. I know I felt this when watching the Abrams films and even a bit with Discovery (I'm just watching this series now, so forgive me for not engaging it more closely). The minor inconsistencies can often be overlooked or, as you noted, explained away. The major ones, however, are more difficult to fit into a broader continuity (e.g., holographic tech in discover at a level beyond TNG era tech or Ensign Chekov being on the Enterprise in the Kelvin timeline, when in the prime line he wouldn't even be old enough to be in Starfleet). When an inconsistency is so profound that it disrupts the narrative world, and not just a minor plot point, then we need to address it if we want continued continuity. And that is where creative writers can come in and patch up continuity (e.g., in the world of comics, Kurt Busiek was a master at this kind of writing with the Avengers in the late '90s). So to build on your observations, I think we could refine and classify these inconsistencies a bit more precisely -- in extent, type, and context. On a personal note, I am enjoying Discovery (and I was surprised to find myself feeling that way!), though I wish they had set the series ten or twenty years after Nemesis and simply referred to the "new" Klingons as an ethnic faction that rose to power etc. That would help with the technology continuity cognitive dissonance I keep having (though that would also negate the "fascinating" plot line with Sarak). Finally, let me say that while I do care about continuity, I fully agree and appreciate your main point: Star Trek is entertainment and a fan is a person who enjoys Trek, in whatever form or forms they embrace it. There are some wonderful values that Trek articulates and exhorts, and those values - as you noted - do transcend things like a ridged forhead on a Romulan or a cloaked ship in ENT. Thanks again for another thoughtful and interesting video. :) (p.s. - sorry for such a long comment. I was just caught up in thinking through the ideas lol)

[@JakeWerkmeister]

Thank you! Nostalgia often puts rose colored glasses on fans. Well, that and the fact that complaining online has become big business. Discovery and Picard have better first seasons than TNG. That's fact. Now, I know the politics of new Trek writers, but watching everything from my center right perspective, I really don't understand what the fuss is about. I'm just watching everyone on both sides flipping out at each other, and I'm here like... soooooooooo Picard saving a bunch of Androids from Romulans before becoming an Android himself while saving the universe from a big space octopus is a metaphor for Brexit. Umm...what? Hey, whatever. If that's what one gets out of it, that's cool. Frankly, I love the updated look of the 1701, and can't wait for Strange New Worlds. In my mind, inconsistencies can be attributed to the events of First Contact. That was my justification for some of the issues with Enterprise about 20 years ago. Now you have Michael Burnam's mother doing extensive timeline tampering in season 2 of Discovery. Cool. That pretty much explains everything that everyone is complaining about. Now, with the adjustments that the writers are making towards fan reaction, let's see what story we get out of that.

[@marshallhuffer4713]

7:24 - Family Guy made a joke about that in the episode "Not All Dogs Go to Heaven." At a Star Trek convention, these two nerds discuss that inconsistency, with one of the nerds saying that the reason Scotty didn't remember was that because he was caught in a transporter pattern buffer for 75 years and Riker mentioned the less than 0.003% signal degradation which would have accounted for Scotty's memory loss. Just then, Patrick Stewart and Jonathan Frakes walk up and proceed to beat them up. Patrick Stewart: Give me $6.00!

[@RogueTwo]

One of the supposed inconsistencies that I constantly had thrown in my face about Discovery was that in the TOS episode The Tholian Web, Spock and Chekov discuss, after seeing how the crew of the Defiant had apparently turned on and slaughtered each other that there has never been a record of a mutiny aboard a Federation Starship. So, therefore, Michael Burnham committing mutiny against Captain Georgiou was a violation of canon. However just a few episodes after The Tholian Web, in Whom Goes Destroy, we meet former Starfleet captain Garth of Izor, who's crew, years earlier, rebelled -- mutinied -- against him when in a fit of madness he ordered them to wipe out a civilization, leading to his commitment to a mental institution. So that bit of canon was broken years before Discovery.

[@RealmMan]

My explanation of Odan and the Trill is, he was a special kind of symbiont that subsumed his host's personality, and that required a different species of host to handle it.

[@philly83]

A wonderful, well produced video. As much as I like enterprise, it certainly created a lot of messes with continuity. Expanding on the inconsistencies related to balance of terror, when the enterprise incident was made, they made it seem like that was the first time the romulans used a cloaking device. They completely ignored balance of terror.

[@Trek001]

I have often expressed the view that if the info on the Borg and the cure was classified, then that might be the vague whispers and rumor the Hansons found

[@thesageofgames1871]

The only ones i can explain, with any certiainty, the klingons and romulans change in appearence from TOS to TNG was due to the penny pinching during the filming of TOS. With TNG they had a larger budget, and so they could make those two races look the way they intended. As for the 22nd century encounter with the Borg, the Borg themselves never directly introduce themselves as such. Their opening hail in that case was simply "you will be assimilated, resistenace is futile" But you're right that information about the message and what not should have been archived. The only reason i can think of for it not being so, is they knew the message would take 200 years to get to the delta quadrant. And they probably thought the Borg would take the same amount of time again to get to the alpha quadrant, not being aware of transwarp. Another possibility would be the temporal prime directive. We don't know when that was written, but its possible that at some point in time information about the borg was erased from the archives by someone from the future who was aware of the fact that the borg encountered were from a future where the federation was amply aware of them. And in fact it was the federation being unaware that allowed for the federation to learn from its defeats and make proper ships to combat them. Before I go thougn, i would like to say that I do enjoy new trek. I understand that a lot of writer issues and also who holds what copyrights determines why new trek looks the way it does. Finally I enjoyed this video immensly. I would do vids like this myself if i knew what i was doing with editing software. Looking forward to the next one.

[@michaelbyrd2166]

Another amazing video keep up the good work!

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Thank you Michael, Ill do my best :)

[@clewrslr]

Apologies if it is mentioned later in the comments, but there is a MAJOR inconsistency that was over looked. That being that in the TOS, there was mention of going to the Galatic Center (center of the galaxy) how can that be when the Constitution Class had a MAX warp speed of 8 (even with the implementation ofa new warp scale on TNG). Also that in Star Trek 5, with Spocks brother Sybock, they allegedly went again to the center of the galaxy. Yet in the TNG episode that included the Sytherians, they programmed Lt. Barclay and he introuduced a speed far beyond warp to take the Enterprise 30K light years, near the center of the galaxy. (Not even to the center fully but a fast mode of propulsion was used) that one has always stood out to me.

[@colinconnolly892]

My pet peeve has always been that Kahn in STII -The Wrath of Kahn recognized Checkov when he wasn't in the episode 'Space Seed". Star Trek has always been full of inconsistencies

[@duozero00]

One of the odd things that really stands out to me is the way the Defiant docks at DS9 it docks its deflector section first and every master system display we see shows no docking port there but we see people walking on and off the Defiant and if they are using the transport why walk to the dalking port before transport. Also odd that DS9 has that port suited for docking the defiant why not just dock it at a normal docking point. its still my favourite ship and series though.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

That has always bothered me a bit too :P

[@zacharygimpel9041]

Very well done. I love that you mentioned the cloaks in the mirror universe. I noticed that too. Another is Alexander Rozhenko. According to memory alpha, he was born in 2366 yet all through TNG he is a child of roughly 6 to 9. Then according to memory alpha he joins the klingon defence forse in 2374, when we see him in DS9. So in the span of 8 years he became an adult. At best he should be a little older than Molly O'brien. And even her age is suspect but at least she stays closer to her true age. But she still is only supposed to be like 2 when Miles takes the post at DS9. But it again just shows inconsistencies.

[@terriblecertainity]

Nu Trek hater here. I like your opinion and the way you voice it here. But I think, this isn't about nitpicks like the ones presented here. It's about fundamental mistakes. I think, the canon issues are far from the biggest issues here, although I find the design and technology level of Starfleet alone simply unessessary as they can't be explained in universe. The biggest problem is the writing. Most plots makes zero sense, the characters talk and behave like ordinary human beeings instead of evolved ones. AND: To me at least, the core of what Star Trek is is missing. There is no more exploration of the human condition, the solving problems by understanding the viewpoint of the oposition, no growing as a person by expanding one's horizon. Instead, we get pure evil villains, we cheer after killing the enemy and we don't care about different opinions at all.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Well that's not what this video is about... You're allowed to dislike or hate whatever Trek you want, that is your opinion and you are entitled to it... But you wouldnt be able to make up excuses that are untrue to support that opinion and ram it down anyone elses throat... You see, you are the Prime example of how a fan SHOULD be about New Star Trek... Simply voicing their opinion and having a discussion... Unfortunately, there are some that havent learned the basic fundamentals of show like you have! :) #IDIC and Keep Trekking! :)

[@karlsmith2570]

One glaring inconsistency I remembered seeing was in an episode of DS9 when it was discovered that Dr. Bashir's parents had genetic modification done to Julian There was a character that made reference to the eugenics wars when Khan nearly conquered the Earth and that this person said that happened 300 years earlier In the TOS episode of "Space Seed" Khan had done these things in 1996 which was 300 years before TOS was set, by the timeline of DS9 being set in the 24th century, just like TNG, this would've been 400 years ago

[@timjerrom7173]

Dude you are totally correct, well done for this I hope at least one of these people will realise their mistake and start loving all the new Star Trek, by gosh soon their will be plenty of choice to go around! :)

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Thanks Tim :)

[@billphillips5821]

Scotty's memory was affected by being in transporter purgatory for so long. There's even a reference when they bring him out that there's a 3% loss or something to that effect.

[@anthonygagan4398]

I don't like Discovery which is "new" trek or voyagar which is "old" trek but if you do I good with that and so should everyone be. I like Picard, the first season has its problems but have you ever watched the first seasons of TNG or DS9 they had there problems too. So like you said just watch what you like and leave others to there own taste.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Exactly! A basic fundamental of the show, that some fans tend to forget!

[@rubaiyat300]

OG TNG was rough, but It also happened in the 80's. An entirely different time for media. Just like we don't assume production mistakes made in early 50's TV would have been excusable in the late 80's. It also was doing something near unprecedented. Taking an old property and updating it for new audiences while maintaining the canonicity of that previous work (ie not just inspired by or a remake). In the modern era of too much TV to really be able to watch along with decades of remakes and reboots, I don't think we can handwave being rough out of the gate because stuff decades ago was. Free to still like what you like, obviously.

[@LMG1792]

Yeah sadly this seems to be the case in every fandom. It just is to simple to just not like something and not attack others if they disagree with you. Sadly some things just won’t likely change. Good video though you are way more patient then me I wouldn’t be able to go through logging all these. Bravo man and well done.

[@Martyn2021]

The best example of an inconsistency I'm aware of is the end of Star Trek the Undiscovered Country originally it was a joint venture between Starfleet intelligence and a rogue element of the Klingon Empire to assassinate the Chancellor. And the the original VHS tape has this ending and it was the ending I saw in the cinema but the DVD collection and 50th anniversary Blu-ray disc has the ending that just shows it was apart of a Klingon conspiracy. Now if they're kept this ending in it would been used to lay the groundwork for section 31 when it was introduced in Deep Space Nine and continued in every other franchise since.

[@thejohanvalli]

I don't like so much about new Trek, that I like old. But there is good new things in Discovery and ecpesially in Picard. This is good video, because people just do have different kind of opinions about things, and that is how it should be. There is something unique and great in every Star Trek series. New series give us always something new, and we should apreciate that as well.

[@SuperVideowatcher01]

I've always loved Star Trek for the alien cultures they encounter, but for me I personally love the "new trek" ship designs more then the "old" designs

[@JJMHigner]

I like the new Treks just fine, with critical ideas aside. I ultimately love anything thoughtful enough to continue the franchise.

[@davidfox5297]

I actually like all that star trek has to offer, and treat each series as it's own story. Also to keep in mind, that each season has many different writers and directors.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Amen Brother!

[@thesageofgames1871]

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios Hell, a lot of TNG's episodes were literally the result of frequent writing contests and also people writing an episode, sending it in, and the writers literally saying, i like this one, lets do this.

[@der_sebbl]

Thank you for this video. I'm so sick of "new Trek" haters. While I really hate some design choices, like that holographic consoles in Picard (EC Henry made a great video about this), I mostly like the design of the newer series. Especially with Discovery they HAD "break" visual consistency. Otherwise it would just looked cheesy. Plus in my opinion, the world shown in Discovery and Picard feels more realistic because it is more grey. The members of Starfleet are humans now, now shining heroes that never break, no matter what they have to live through.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

You are very welcome my friend :)

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

@@AT2Productions Because it isnt 1996 anymore... SciFi, Computer effects and HD quality has made HUGE jump since then... What works as alright in 1996 is cheesy looking if it came out now a days!

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

@@AT2Productions CBS isnt looking to appease a dying generation of Trek fans, it is looking to bring new Trek fans in to the franchise and to keep it alive for the foreseeable future, which is an excellent business plan! So Cardboard sets and unrealistic drama no longer works for that end... As to you invitation, I simply hadnt decided yet... You see I dont appear to support anyone unless I know them and what there channel stands for... Thus I do my research before hand... Unfortunately, real life work has kept me far to busy to research your channel, so until I can, i wont be appearing! So that you for the invitation, and perhaps one day in the future! Take care

[@Grzegorzsl1]

I agree with everything you said

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Thank you so much :)

[@JackofNothingess]

"You're wrong, I'm right! Etc etc." I have to make a note here that despite the love and hate, ST has a huge (edit: and highly passionate) fan following that is still growing. And at the end of this new run, it is probably a good thing.

[@DanielBrown-sn9op]

Well done, and thanks.I like Trek. My opinions will always be no more than that.😷⚖🕊💪

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

You and me both! :)

[@LightsaberAddict]

Excellent video. I enjoy all trek. Some more than others but I enjoy it all. I must admit I had a different expectation with Discovery but I really liked the second half of season 1 and then season 2 once I just watched it for what it was. Star Trek.

[@richardlebreton6690]

Klingons, real reason for the first change, they actually had a real makeup budget.

[@zandernewson9933]

I really love this episode. Its really good, and is a great example of how Star Trek can still be awesome, but at times a little bit inconsistent. Greetings from the UK by the way! 🖖

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Glad you enjoyed it! And hello back from Canada my friend :)

[@zandernewson9933]

TriAngulum Audio Studios I Always do!

[@justjeff4186]

I love the way you address your detractors!

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

LOL thanks JustJeff :)

[@justjeff4186]

No, thank you. I really enjoyed all the info you provide as well as the way you present it. Keep up the good work!

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Ill do my best :)

[@josephchavez5965]

I'll have to agree with you on this video. We're human beings, at least most of us are, and we are entitled to our own opinions for or against, like or dislike. This would be a pretty boring place if we all liked the same thing. Reminds me of a Twilight Zone episode that everyone looked like Richard Long, you remember Jerod Barkley, The Big Valley, boy am I dating myself. At any rate go on liking whatever it is you like to like and be happy.

[@stormwell]

Personally with regards to Discovery, I feel it would've worked better as a sequel to Voyager/TNG films. The setup could then be a Starfleet experiment/mission to explore into the Delta Quadrant, build on the data brought back by Voyager and see if there were any other ships transported by the Caretaker. The Spore Drive could function as a way to address the vast distances. Though on the subject of Inconsistencies, in TNG it was stated that Warp travel would have to be restricted as it was damaging sub-space to the point where Warp travel wouldn't be able to function. Now to the Borg in Enterprise, the signal makes sense as to tip the Borg off but it's possible that they needed the encounter with the Enterprise D for the final piece in the puzzle. As to Starfleet's apparent lack of knowledge on the Borg, I prescribe to the theory that Section 31 covered up the events of the episode Regeneration. It fits with how S31 operates, especially if they're trying to come up with a counter to the Borg or to simply use the tech for their own ends. Likewise Pholx's cure could've just been buried by S31 or simply forgotten about even the amount of time that passed before the Borh rocked up.

[@karlsmith2570]

In regards to the TNG episode "Relics" when Scotty made reference to Kirk pulling the Enterprise out of mothballs to look for him That episode of TNG was filmed before the scenes in the opening of "Generations" which would explain how Scotty didn't have an explanation for Kirk's alleged death

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

We all know that, but that doesnt matter in universe,... And whats worse is the people who were involved with the episode relics were also involved with Generations, meaning they screwed up their OWN material ;)

[@karlsmith2570]

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios that being the case, I'd chalk it up to being an oversight by the writers and production companies

[@Pulprat]

Back when Voyager was airing w Fandom had a term YATI ( Yet Another Trek Inconsistencie) We had contests to see who could spot the most.

[@jaklinhyde]

All of what you said was spot on!! For the life of me I couldn’t understand the absolute hate that discovery got. What made it even more bizarre was that the ones who hated it were still watching it just to be mad… 🤯 And like you said their main argument was the Klingons which I actually didn’t mind because they actually looked like aliens and I understood that they were going for the savage angry look. But I also noticed that for some strange reason Michael burnham received a ton of hate as well for whatever reason. If you didn’t like discovery then that’s fine, I wasn’t a big fan of VOY and DS9 was mostly ok to me but it’s just strange hating a ST show to the point of trying to ruin it for all of us. Thanks for this explanation 🙏🏾

[@creativerealms]

The first three minutes of this video is why I love your channel. I agree with you completely. People are allowed to love or hate New Trek and they are still star Trek fans. That is what annoys me. How many fans act like if you like the new shows you are not a true Star Trek fan. I remember when Enterpise was first airing, there were people on message boards that all they would so ia ppont out errora and how ENT was ignoring eatablished canon. Now don't you dare bring that up to people.

[@mb2000]

Inconsistencies are one thing, like when the Enterprise fires phasers from the photon torpedo tube or Paris suddenly saying “faster than light, no left or right” in one episode, as these can usually be explained around. But the main problem I have with new Trek is the complete visual change. Now I don’t expect a new series to look exactly like the Original Enterprise, but a lot of it seems to be too advanced. I don’t see why Discovery couldn’t have been done in the 24/25th centuries, so most of that wouldn’t even apply. It just seems like they want to do prequels, without any knowledge and/or care for what they predating, if that makes sense, just to shoehorn in never before mentioned relatives of fan favourite characters etc And don’t forget that the Enterprise in Nemesis also has a pit of doom below Deck 29! I think you should do a series on Trek Inconsistencies and we can all have a go at explaining them!

[@georgesulea]

Great video. I always look at stuff like this as a timeline or universe shift. I think it had great writing and acting. I always like new perspectives:)

[@danclark1348]

I been watching Star Trek from day one. Of course I noticed inconsistencies. I wish there were none. I deal with it by knowing that writers, directors, film budgets are the reality, and to tell a story, usually a moral one.

[@KnaveMurdok]

I always thought of what was going on with JJ Trek, Discovery and etc. as more of a retcon than "going against canon". The production crew didn't wanna meticulous re-create things as they looked in TOS, cuz sometimes you just want things to be different! Instead of a convoluted list of reasons why things look different, we're just being asked to imagine/accept that "this is what it always looked like". I can roll with that. i read comics as a kid :P

[@mrgreatbigmoose]

DS9 had no inconsistencies except how Gabriel Bell looked like Ben Sisko. It should have been caught by the Department. Any other perceived inconsistencies are just the Prophets working in mysterious ways. Another interesting thing is how inconsistencies are handled by the shows vs fans. Before syndication, the shows didn't treat continuity with such importance. Later it was a treat to see it in action, like an Easter Egg. Fans evolved, though, to revere it and demand it. The shows taught their fans too well.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

LOL

[@mrgreatbigmoose]

I am loving these videos, by the way, and it's a treat to watch them. Peace and long life!

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Well thank you very much :)

[@SchardtCinematic]

I noticed when the Enterprise -E came about I noticed someone forgot to set the specs for the ship and writers seemed to put how many decks they felt it should have. It was a much bigger ship in there minds I guess. Lol yet they must have forgot that it had less decks than the D.

[@FreihEitner]

Maybe the Enterprise E was a crossover with Doctor Who and it was bigger on the inside.

[@larandrew77]

I have to admit, as much as I do NOT like the New Trek, I 100% agree with what you had to say here. And it carries over to everyday life......like the people going insane over Warhammer 40K, or anything else with varying opinions......just realize that you have the right to disagree, but NOT to tell others what to do, say or think. YOU don't want to do something....then don't. But you do not have the right to force your feelings on others. Thank you Triangulum!!!