The Murder of Jackie Vandagriff | Full Episode

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[@ThreeeDays]

I wait to long for an upload ,we need an new case everyday please

[@MrWaitwhaaaaaat]

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[@ThreeeDays]

@@MrWaitwhaaaaaat what that mean

[@georgemunyika2639]

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[@williamhowell5577]

​@@ThreeeDays q00o60❤00😢😢😢😢aq1aqq0😢0pppa

[@-LivingProof]

This is the 1st time I've seen an officer actually care about the victim of a stalker and take action. We need more officers like Captain Polk 👏

[@moselleconger4156]

You have to watch more true crime documentaries because there are a lot of detectives who do the same thing. They devote years of their lives to solving a case and can finally let their emotions go.

[@naylaleifson9022]

I've seen and watched so many care about stalkers.. there's some who don't, but alot do😊

[@Nursingprez610]

His level of concern and foresight is amazing. He needs to be teaching other officers!

[@jenelizabeth7822]

@@moselleconger4156 I agree, most cases have a leading detective or other law enforcement that is pushing until they get justice for a victim. I’ve seen so many detectives cry talking about cases that will stick with them until the day they die. You always hear them comparing victims to their own kids and how they would feel if it happened to the own child or family.. that tends to be a driving force behind a lot of the determination for justice.

[@marielle7505]

Bless his heart

[@jimwerther]

Why do they keep telling us how much Caitlin and Jackie looked alike, when that is so obviously untrue? They look _nothing_ like each other.

[@ryano913]

I thought the same. Very odd statement.

[@leyla2210]

nope,- one is brunette, brown eyed, the other blonde with blue/green eyes...

[@cheesepizza4ever]

I thought it could be regarding their personality.. maybe they were very similar in the way they moved, laughed or something

[@trawlins396]

I agree. They look nothing like each other!

[@mjv7008]

I felt like they talked about her too much 😕

[@Randyfarhi517]

Such a contrast between the way the work manager reacted and the way the university policeman reacted… Love that he took a woman’s fears so seriously…

[@marygoff3332]

That campus police officer was right on the money. He knew the guy was bad news.

[@julieoluna8887]

Perhaps the restaurant manager is one of those lame Podcast guys who thinks that all Women are melodramatic.

[@aeconiglio]

My very first thought!

[@organismgel1043]

Seriously. That manager made a mistake. I work in a coffeeshop with mainly girls, and safety from stalkers is of the utmost importance. Evil men need to know their victims are worth standing up for.

[@josephmarzullo]

@@julieoluna8887 they aren’t? 🤔

[@NishatN-h7e]

I wanted to know more about Jackie but they focused so much on Caitlyn, you'd think she was Jackie herself. I understand her connection to the murderer. Still, they could have talked more about Jackie and her disappearance and her family.

[@chrisjunis7102]

Agree

[@serena9294]

Came here to say this. Feels wrong to talk more about what "could have happened" to one girl vs. What actually happened to jackie. Barely even gave a backstory.

[@allhopeabandon7831]

But there was no story of Jackie and Charles...he found her one night and killed her the same night...Caitlyn had a series of interactions with him...would Jackie's mother know about Charles? Would there be a history of her trying to get away from him? Did Jackie have a bad feeling about Charles? The producers told everything about Jackie that had to do with the subject of the story (Charles)...

[@cheriestephenson5374]

I agree

[@caramileelliott1719]

Ikr 😢😅

[@vickie9405]

Just LOVE the campus police officer and all of his efforts..so many lives could have been saved if other officers cared like this one

[@samdoors5132]

That’s true I’ve seen so many other programs where the police did not react and The consequences were deadly

[@DubzCo]

@☁POPULATION-_-420🌿 You be creepy

[@karenwhinesmore9347]

100% agree

[@UniversoSpiritualUnido]

He truly did protect her

[@virtuallydee2262]

“People do not change….you cannot change him.” Wise words to live by.

[@patriciarambert9261]

"You cannot change people, but people can change," is more accurate.

[@matchhunter7012]

Women always think they can change him because they think they are so special.

[@gansz_lol]

@@matchhunter7012 lol

[@joshmoreno7041]

Not really wise words people can change

[@ALT-vz3jn]

@@joshmoreno7041once you’re 30 years old your personality doesn’t change. It’s ingrained.

[@michellebaca1024]

I cannot believe the way this policeman protected this girl! This really is unheard of! He actually saved her life. I’m sure! That’s a true man!

[@monicadonnelly4991]

That is of course unless she was fat, black or old. Not all women get treated the same

[@deb7412]

@@monicadonnelly4991 Or too skinny or not beautiful or a attractive looking enough.

[@elchessboy0wnzuagain]

u ever think that old police officer just wanted to smash caitlin or sumtin? smh yall makin dude out to be such a hero

[@waspazian]

yes Michelle ,and can i have fries with that?

[@michellebaca1024]

@@waspaziansure, you can!

[@barkYdarkATFB]

You buy a shovel at 4 AM… at Walmart… you’re burying a body. 😑

[@la.melaninqueentina]

EXACTLY.. who is he fooling smh

[@TransparentUtoptia]

Exactly!Walmart should alert law enforcement about suspicious purchases like this

[@JUSTICE4NELLRICK]

​@@TransparentUtoptia see something, say something!

[@pianomanhere]

You mean there are no lawncare services that follow the schedule of a vampire? 😂🤣😅

[@jyc313]

Hey what if I wanna dig up some turnips?

[@marygoff3332]

They dated for less than THREE MONTHS and he was already this crazy and attached to her.

[@Kitty_Zombie]

I have a friend who went through something similar. She dated a guy for 2 months; he stalked her for the next 10 years. Didn't stop till her stalker died. If he were still alive today, I know, he'd still be stalking her. Absolute leach.

[@Dorothy4Jesus]

Classic Narcissist

[@ivydickson7596]

Coercive control

[@Analysis_Paralysis]

I'm in awe of her because she was able to see through his manipulation at her young age in less than 3 months! I commend her for that... ❤ It literally saved her life! And I also commend her mother for the wonderful upbringing. The trust and respect she gave her child really paid off, her daughter doesn't put up with the wild behavior of narcissistic men.

[@CraftyCuriosity]

Scary and it could be a week and have this happen.

[@beverlywhite5438]

The justice system needs to get tougher on people that stalk. He was able to get out on a $5,000 bond after repeatedly stalking Caitlin.

[@jamesl9371]

Right on. Lock them up

[@maxine3587]

I was just thinking that it would save lives, and police time, if they just came down hard the first time they found someone where they shouldn't be.

[@TheRight-handedStranger]

Complain to the Democratic Party today they release offenders with no bail. Check out NY and CA for example.

[@johannas.l.brushane2518]

And that some of his friends approached her and say she "need to have those charges dropped"!! I recalled something similar of a MO of a british case, the stalking guy got a new gf to befriend the victim on facebook (he had claimed that the victim who was stalked him postedlies etc about him and his new gf to help him catch it!). People can be so gullible when the helping the stalker.

[@Christina_320]

What’s horrific thing to go through and live through. Deepest condolences to everyone affected.

[@HaileyAndTheArt]

There needs to be laws in place where you get no bond when you're arrested for violating these orders. NO BOND.

[@Roscoe.P.Coldchain]

Great comment 👍

[@QueenOfDump]

Agreed. Not going to stop stalkers.

[@erickiyoshiphillips2323]

If u put them on probation then they violate and go to jail without bond. But these creeps don't get harsh sentences then petty crimes it's sad

[@morganablackwater2017]

Stalkers, rapists and domestic abuse preparators shouldn't be allowed ANY bond at all

[@joshlampe3458]

@@morganablackwater2017 So, guilty until proven innocent? Genius! I'm sure that every woman that reports a stalker will do so with the utmost truth and integrity. 🤣

[@thalaline]

The campus police officer saved her life!! He was so protective of her - what a great officer

[@StofStuiver]

And it never occured to you he wants to get layed, hmmm?

[@minini5571]

@@StofStuiver…do you always assume the worst of people?

[@joshnewsome3748]

​@minini5571 No, just what people who don't get laid say. I'd be scared to date stofstuiver yikes

[@StofStuiver]

@@minini5571 I know humans. And i know police.

[@vincent2053]

@@StofStuiverYou’re mental

[@Findpepperbridge]

I’ve had a stalker. It honestly makes you start going insane. I started thinking he had put recording devices in my apartment. It went on for years. I think people were starting to get tired of me being upset about it. I was calling the police constantly

[@Robinson67]

I know, and every time you hear a weird sound at night you think they’re doing something or trying to get in. It’s unbelievable, they’re intimidation terrorists. Cops didn’t care at all for me, so nice to see a cop care in this case. They’re not just stalking you they’re waging mental war

[@mjanny6330]

@TheRealCyanYvette are they?

[@dubaiedge]

So sorry that you were stalked. Can I ask how you got away? What worked? Any advise? Thanks so much. Take care

[@Findpepperbridge]

@@dubaiedge I had to move! It was that bad. I called the police 12 times the last year I was there. I had enough and moved. Once I moved away it stopped. At one point I hired two big tattoo guys to hangout at my place for the day. I still have the restraining order in place for the next two years. If you do go down to get a restraining order it has to be really detailed like a journal with dates and times.

[@dubaiedge]

@@Findpepperbridge wow. You went through a lot! 12 times. God, what a psycho. I'm glad you're safe now. And that's good to know about giving evidence of dates & times to cops. And hiring big guys, every woman's dream security. If I were rich, I'd have a big guy to tail me at all times. Thanks for the reply, & good luck 😀

[@vendelinvomacka7559]

Caitlyn is such a nice looking girl, but being able to identify an abuser so quickly, her mother and father raised her very well. Hope she gets rid of her survivors guilt so she can live her life fully.

[@ALT-vz3jn]

Yes. You can tell she has good parents! Most aren’t so fortunate.

[@ronswansonsdog2833]

@@ALT-vz3jn well I hope Jackie’s parents don’t read this 🙄

[@NAWNIEPOOH]

W was

[@SparkyGecko]

This is so dumb and completely ignores the fact many women raised the same way fall victim to abusers. You're not dumb for being manipulated or abused or stalked.

[@lauraschroeder8177]

Are u kidding me? She was clueless and so was the mother. There was no father and that's why she so easily got into a relationship with this adult man who was a typical bad boy. Women need to be careful online.

[@NoName-yn5bh]

This is probably the only case where the authorities actually were proactive in protecting a stalking victim. The girl was just in the wrong place at the wrong time

[@chrisclarke7828]

Easy to say and post knowing some of the things that happen daily but there are good cops who can be trusted to help and befriend the public. I am not against you and what you posted.

[@hangemhigh7069]

Wrong place wrong time? How many times have we heard this garbage? Someone sometimes are there everywhere!

[@arielshikoba1857]

Actually, the Authorities got him after he killed a woman not because of stalking 🤷‍♀️ sorry woman of the World men(Authorities) don't care enough yet

[@Bloodsport1337]

Wrong.

[@spirit13the1st6]

​@@hangemhigh7069 Unfortunately you're right.

[@whitneywilson6686]

She was my friend and coworker. We all still miss her so much 😞.

[@StofStuiver]

Im sorry for your loss.

[@samwrought5650]

My condolences 💙😢🙏🏽

[@aliciakraynik7674]

So sorry for your loss ❤❤

[@jenniferfowler2899]

Just watching but so sorry ❤

[@andreasofiasoares7071]

Im so sorry

[@RoseyTours]

Caitlyn survived because she took the warning signs seriously early on. She didn’t gloss over them, didn’t make excuses for him, even if she liked the guy. She eventually proved herself right. Kudos to her mom, too, for being the great woman that she is. Caitlyn’s self-confidence and self-belief are very obvious to me. And because she loved herself, Caitlyn could think independently for herself and not let any guy boss her around. Queen. 👑

[@bettydamnboop3030]

Well said 🙌

[@julianakleijn9254]

Jackie didn’t have time to see the flags. She only knew him a few hours

[@ingridakerblom7577]

You forget one BIG BIG tjing, she had help & a way out. Many do NOT

[@spaceonion4126]

Yep her mum really saved her life installing self confidence and awareness in her

[@cynthiasaracino7114]

AMEN

[@sstritmatter2158]

Jackie's grandmother is so selfless. For her to come up to Katelyn's parents and say how worried she was for them that Bryant could be released one day. That takes a special compassion to overlook your own deep hurt and worry about another person's welfare like that. Both women had great families. Hope they don't release Bryant ever and hope Jackie's family gets closure and peace.

[@MetaMortis21]

Oh yeah it’s because she’s a strong woman. You can have compassion for others, but not do what she did…it just means she’s a strong woman. Which is good to be

[@carolpainter4305]

Amen!

[@carolpainter4305]

May I offer my sincere condolences to Jackie's family and Friends. May your daughter be your guardian angel so she can share every day, and be by your side.

[@beatricefaria-clendinning8943]

@@carolpainter4305🙏❤️🇨🇦

[@beatricefaria-clendinning8943]

@theamberheardplaylist6768Really…🤔😤😡🇨🇦

[@agoujon]

Kudos to Captain Polk. So many women go through harassment/stalking and find it very hard for officers to either believe the gravity of the threat or to be able to help them before the stalker actually hurt them. Lieutenant Polk (back them) took immediate action to protect Kaitlyn. He's the best!

[@einienj3281]

Cops always say that "we don't have enough evidence to do anything, come back when you have more evidence".. usually the "more evidence" is her dead body.. they could just as well say "come back when you're dead"..

[@brendacroteau]

And of COURSE she never called the police!! He would have killed her...he said so many times. Its absolutely sickening. And the way the court system treats victims of DV IS HORRIFIC!!

[@qmnnvrdyz8965]

That was an awesome surprise, because these poor girls get ignored, seems like until it's too late.

[@donovanmccat7254]

Women can stalk men and be dangerous as well...

[@melissasaint3283]

(trigger warning) I had a step relative who became extremely mentally ill....like, mood swings, paranoia, auditory hallucinations, homicidal and suicidal ideation, everything. At one point, after being released from another hospital stay, temporary alternate living arrangements that HE had agreed to were made for him, because it was clearly not safe for him to live with his family at that time. When I was home alone one late morning, he showed up and shattered the whole doorframe trying to beat his way in. He then staked out the house from arr car and peeled out when a police cruiser showed up. The senior officer immediately began grilling us about what right we had to keep him "out of his home" without allowing us to explain any part of why we were doing so. He brow beat us and then left. It was so discouraging. Several hours later we called 911 again because after a whole afternoon of stalking and harassing calls he finally got inside the house and was midway through a ghastly suicide attempt that two of my relatives were physically wrestling with him to prevent. Fortunately the cops and EMTs that showed up that time were very compassionate and competent.

[@linetamer]

48 Hours needs to redo this case and focus on Jackie this time

[@preangelamarks8474]

I agree 💯

[@kimking5928]

Agree.

[@yennefer440]

I agree. Really sad they didn't focus on her. She deserves to be remembered properly.

[@spectraamunari9059]

I had a stalker. It’s unrelenting and terrifying. These sick individuals don’t stop. This has to be taken seriously. It’s too prevalent.

[@crishuez]

Same. And he's still stalking. It escalates.

[@Matt-xv2cp]

I did as well, a female stalker. Had to take out a protection order on her after she threatened to have her brother un-alive me.

[@JadedLady]

I had one as well until I started open carrying. The last time he came at me and I drew on him, he ran. I haven't seen hide nor hair of him since. It's been 10 years and I still keep my protection on me at all times, even in my own house.

[@adambane1719]

Women need to take responsibility for treating men so badly and warping and playing with their emotions...

[@JadedLady]

@@adambane1719 Please seek some help. It sounds as if you may need it. Stalking someone is not the answer to them mistreating you.

[@livylu6287]

That Buffalo wild wings manager sucks!!! That’s bull crap. I’ve had a guy that made me extremely uncomfortable for legit reasons, and my manager kicked him out and did not allow him to come back. They do have that ability.

[@dogjeepmeat]

Happened to me at work. Coworker threatened me because I turned him down. I contacted HR and they basically laughed at me. The abuse continued until the guy was arrested at work for something, can't remember what. We're talking bad threats and grabbing me. I was a naive teenager and I should have called police looking back.

[@jgirlinluv55]

😂

[@harold4506]

The wings are good though.

[@jillolds4162]

Well, they don't allow people to conceal carry so they suck anyway

[@NicoliRavioli117]

Yeah that manager does suck. And ANY manager that doesn’t take these threats seriously. I worked at a bar in college and they threw out my abusive ex-boyfriend and NEVER let him back on the premises. They would also walk me out to my car each night due to him. Thank God they did too. You can’t handle these cases as non-threats when they can actually be deadly.

[@Rup869]

As usual nothing happens until someone is seriously hurt or dies 😥

[@dolinaj1]

That’s how and when the legal system intervenes.

[@danis4054]

Exactly! He should’ve already been behind bars. If you can’t behave in normal society, you don’t get to live there. But no! Someone has to become a murderer before action is taken in almost all stalking cases! 🙄

[@Dorothy4Jesus]

Yep. Even if you have a restraining oder. I was told it's just paper and won't save your life!

[@carinfelska5774]

Sometimes after 20 people die still investing

[@danis4054]

@@Dorothy4Jesus so true! Lord, I made a rhyme. 🙄😂

[@Iluvmysontate]

While I understand that Caitlin is a part of this story and what she has to say needs to be said I feel that this did an extreme Injustice to the memory into the life of Jackie Jackie is who was brutally taken from this Earth for simply being at the wrong place at the wrong time I don't feel 48 hours did her story any justice at all I am actually appalled by the fact that this seemed to be all about Caitlin

[@imptie]

Right???

[@cheriestephenson5374]

I completely agree

[@chronicwhisper]

I know. I was looking for someone else to comment this. This is weird

[@StofStuiver]

Indeed

[@JoGeGoJr]

Yes!! Agree she was left aside this whole time

[@willo7734]

Serious kudos to Captain Polk. It’s really refreshing to see a police officer who wants nothing else but to help someone and who goes out of their way to serve and protect.

[@jimwerther]

Most do

[@p.sherman3158]

Refreshing ? What do you think cops do EVERY single day ! This is what they do. Such an ignorant comment. Learn more before you talk trash about cops on social media.

[@staceystrukel1917]

@@p.sherman3158ot in my area. Corruption and harassment. You must not study history either.

[@vOID-fh1qt]

@@p.sherman3158 a minuscule amount of reported rapes, harassment and stalking cases are ever taken seriously because of officers. It is undeniable that Police forces all over the world are institutionally misogynistic, the UK's investigation of the MET police proved that, it is laughable to think the US isn't the same, if not worse.

[@clairenisbet5869]

That police man who looked after Caitlin is a real one. Protect him 💙

[@d.l.d.l.8140]

Does he do that for unattractive women? No. There’s a reason they’re called PIGS.

[@bms77]

@@d.l.d.l.8140 hahahahaha I mean it’s possible but you don’t know whether he’d lookin after an ugly one or not

[@melissaritchie2372]

There are good people, police and otherwise. It's just unfortunate that the police force is where dirt bags tend to work because the hiring process doesn't do enough to vet these people. Maybe hes a good guy, maybe he did it because she's pretty. It's not fair to assume though without other information. Either way, Caitlyn is probably alive because he cared enough to do his job the right way. That's hardly ever the case with stalking victims. They usually wind up dead.

[@YourMomSaysHi_Jinx]

Oh please. If she were black or brown I guarandamntee you he wouldn’t have done the same.

[@cryptoisthewaytogo]

There’s no resemblance at all between the two girls except their age and they go to college.. they definitely don’t look alike. One’s tall with dark hair and different facial features and the other was short with blonde hair at the time.. just was an excuse for prosecutors to make a comparison for the crime for a conviction

[@lauralei6963]

RIGHT! wtf Especially when she’s @ the bar..

[@reataylor9718]

I just said the same thing. I don't see it.

[@salmonjanet]

I was looking for this comment. Lolol they have their eyebrow lifted over their right eye, and BAM! TWINS 😂😅

[@lauralei6963]

@@salmonjanet haha😆

[@navajo237]

If you noticed they had Katelyn dye her hair blonde just for the trial to fool jurors and built on that phony premise.

[@GIGATT73]

May Jackie Vandagriff rest in peace and my condolence to her family

[@javierflores4344]

Eligible for parole after 30 yrs!? After he cut her up buried her and didn’t show a bit of remorse! Just absolutely pathetic 🤦‍♂️

[@eggsngritstn]

The good news is that Texas generally will not let these guys out even once the 30 years is up.

[@hopeful6157]

💯

[@ImoniFatty]

Yet some people are doing life without parole for trafficking pot

[@retiredkidbuck]

It takes a village of gutless men to want the police and courts to handle creeps like this, exclusively.

[@carolynw3602]

Hopefully the pyscho meets his match in prison, and gets what he deserves

[@bloodaonadeline8346]

How could her manager at the restaurant say “there’s nothing I can do.”about someone stalking on of their employees? You can refuse service to anyone for any reason.

[@jamesdoodle5538]

Unfortunately some places give more craps about money than they do people! Have my own personal story.

[@vickimanager]

Sadly, you can also get sued and many retail managers are not going to put the concerns of an employee over their own job. :(

[@mil3276]

Usually independent businesses would be more likely to help her out, but buffalo wild wings is a huge corporate chain so the dollar is going to come first sadly.

[@goodpeopleprosper635]

And I would have called police and quit right then and there. Left them in need of an employee 4 that night

[@traceybiles2061]

Exactly

[@virgochild4216]

The fact he sent that Friend request was diabolical. 😮

[@Pauly421]

Yeah seriously thats very messed up

[@janethalken8269]

It's also beyond creepy that he posted that weird message that looked like Jackie posted to her FB page about how she was head over heels or something -- he was putting words in her mouth after he KILLED her!?

[@kittykat8177]

@@janethalken8269 "Never thought I could feel like this", guy's a sicko

[@carolynw3602]

@@kittykat8177 This demon is a literal pyschopath

[@lisabastienne7316]

I was thinking the same thing!

[@lindamorris9120]

It is refreshing to see a police officer care. I have watched so many ..especially in the UK...where they do nothing and it leads to homicide.

[@StofStuiver]

So you think he would equally care is she wasnt pretty huh?

[@stregalilith]

@@StofStuiver You think he wouldn't?

[@StofStuiver]

@@stregalilith Indeed

[@maddymarie4075]

Although I don’t think they look alike…I think he did take it out on whoever he could! Because he couldn’t do it to his ex. Rip 😢

[@yourmom.86]

They don't look alike at all

[@susanbrogan6610]

My thoughts exactly!! I don't know how he/they kept saying that through the show!! They look nothing alike!

[@borostergirl60]

At the point Jackie died, she could have been anyone..he'd have done it to the VERY NEXT ONE

[@Analysis_Paralysis]

@@borostergirl60 Yeah, true! All young women who he approached were in danger.

[@yourmom.86]

@@susanbrogan6610 it was bothering me so bad. But didn't want to be THAT karen who mentioned it😅 it's just a odd point to keep mentioning. Simply not true

[@olinords007]

Did anyone find it a little strange that we didn’t hear more from the victims family or friends? While Caitlyns experience is valid, I wish they focused on Jackie more…

[@annette8141]

Maybe they didn't want to be interviewed

[@carolsummers8734]

Caitlan had the experience of his warped behavior.

[@leslie-annmills-gomez8763]

After watching it, I get your point

[@bostontowny4life744]

Allot of families of victims don't want to be involved with TV shows.

[@JJJJ-gl2uf]

As others have noted, some people don't want to be on national tv or on the internet forever. It's probably too difficult for them on this subject . . . .

[@Kimberly_11]

Poor Jackie! Applying for a job.. and ends up being her last day ALIVE 💔

[@ГерманУстинов-з1х]

Tragedy

[@mikeypiros6647]

Well she doesn't need to get a job now.

[@mamalee354]

Applying for a job ...but why she went for drinking 😢

[@junemarshall-kingsley566]

@@mamalee354 I thought it was odd that she was studying health and nutrition but chose to get a job in a bar and hang out with strangers, drinking. And he was a fitness trainer frequenting bars. This is not victim-blaming (for nobody deserves to die because of mistaken choices. It's more an observation about contradictory human behavior.

[@leelunk8235]

KIMBERLY+ POOR YES BUT YOU CAN'T SAY SHE WAS NOT NAIVE AND GULLIBLE

[@gentleeyes]

It's rare to see so many caring cops. Watching so many of the 48 hrs episodes, they often bungle the cases, but some really good ones involved in this case, especially the campus police officer who listened to the young woman.

[@stregalilith]

That's the key: He LISTENED to her; and he BELIEVED her. I hope this case becomes part of every law enforcement training program in the country.

[@jackiethalman8241]

This reminds me a lot of a similar case in Utah where the ex girlfriend was the one who ended up dying. The campus police didn't take her nearly as seriously as the campus police in this case. Good on the campus police in Caitlin's case for taking her so seriously. If it didn't save Jackie's life , it probably saved Caitlin's ♥️

[@jimwerther]

48 Hours played it off that way in the Utah case, but in fact it wasn't an easy one. And the girl in that case made more mistakes than anyone.

[@tutorjulslee2357]

​@@jimwertherwhich Utah case was that?

[@jimwerther]

@@tutorjulslee2357 Lauren McCluskey

[@TinaRixMusic]

Yes! You are spot on. I just watched the Utah case last night. Very similar.

[@dogjeepmeat]

Do not trust people you just met. Do not get in cars with strangers. Do not rush into relationships because you're lonely. It is not worth it!

[@hollyhumbyrd3362]

I'd add one more Do Not to the list: DO NOT accept friend requests from strangers. No matter how many "mutual friends" you might have. Mutual friends??? Yeah right.....mutual friends are like 40th cousins....

[@countof3everybodyOD]

Insane. Her roommate is like ‘oh, she thought he would drop her off’ We all know what they were going to do. Why women put themselves in these positions is mind boggling I wish we could take out every type of guy like this but we just can’t

[@dogjeepmeat]

@@hollyhumbyrd3362 your response is pure gold because I have been in abusive relationships and many of their friends had no idea. Either they say the abuser is the sweetest person or the abuser hides their past and abuse from their friends. Sad but very true.

[@dogjeepmeat]

@@hollyhumbyrd3362 and also to the "mutual friends" on social media, people have no idea who they are friending half the time and just want more and more friends. I met a guy who had like 30 mutual friends. He turned out to be completely nuts and on the s** offender list. And he asked me to go to a private place with him. Luckily, I had some sense that time.

[@dogjeepmeat]

@@countof3everybodyOD I agree with you. Unfortunately, casual affairs are so normalized and it's so sad to me because it's such a risky practice.

[@christinanovak5996]

Immediate red flags that a 29 yr old man would be interested in an 18 yr old that quickly. This narcissistic type sees the opportunity for control and thinks that she can be manipulated with her inexperience.

[@ALT-vz3jn]

You’re 100% correct. 30 year old men that date 18 year old girls have major personality issues, women need to stay away from them. It never ends well.

[@lamincamara8340]

Facts but unfortunately some of the states in this country consented age is way below that. If something like this is to be prevented then those states have to mend those laws and put protective measures in place

[@adambane1719]

She treated him like trash. She has just as much responsibility for it as he has !!

[@5thdimension954]

@@lamincamara8340 agreed! But we need to be taking care of our daughters so they don’t hook up with “bad boys”. These dynamics don’t “just happen. She thought she was all that with a guy who was 29 and showering her with gifts. Until it wasn’t. Yes, her naïveté almost cost her her life. Sadly, it cost Jackie hers. R.I.P. Jackie.

[@Crissy991]

@ people use the word narcissist too loosely an 18 year old is an adult

[@ChiedzaPrincely]

Please do another show and focus on Jackie, she deserves to have her story told as well, that detective cried when he talked about attending her memorial that in itself shows you there was a lot you could have told us about the life she lived .. Balance was needed here...

[@hollydaugherty2620]

You're being overly sensitive. Jackie does not need an essay about her life and nobody on these shows gets an episode devoted to their life. Everyone here is here to listen to a story about a CRIME, we are not here for a memorial service. Both girls were victims of something and one is here to tell us her story and one is not. We heard both.

[@ChiedzaPrincely]

@@hollydaugherty2620 You are being insensitive all together and I disagree with you on this one.....speak for yourself on why you come on here to watch these shows, I respect your opinion, but it's just that your opinion and that right there is mine....x

[@Southamericangirl42]

@ChiedzaPrincely Thank you for saying this! I was getting annoyed with the sound of Caitlyn's nose.

[@kimking5928]

The story was essentially about Caitlyn. What her ex did to another woman when he couldn’t have Caitlin. I agree. It should have been about Jackie. Her family. Who she was.

[@giandiaz610]

Imagine being the employee at 4am seeing this man buying a shovel. 😮

[@cmtippens9209]

Was thinking the same thing. If I ran Walmart, I'd make it a policy not to sell shovels, garbage bags, duct tape, zip ties, saws, or knives after dark, I think. 🤨

[@reprovedcandy]

Ive thought about seeing peoples reaction to that by going into a walmart at 2-3 am and buying buckets of bleach, a shovel, and various other cleaning supplies. im not actually doing anything wrong, just wanna see how people react lol

[@bankait_rex1860]

They should def ask you for an ID, if you buying any cleaning, digging or cutting supply after 12am for sure!

[@smears6039]

@@bankait_rex1860that’s such a good idea

[@iahmad7320]

@@reprovedcandy😂😂😂😂

[@natsarimthings3147]

Classic narcissistic response, distancing himself from the act by pretending he can't remember anything. Gosh. Don't want to stereotype, but these buff men tend to be narcissistic. They tend to worship their physic too much. This is such a deplorable behavior. RIP Sweet Jackie. You unfortunately ended up in the wrong place and the wrong time.

[@LynxStarAuto]

He had that child therapist fooled too. Read right into her need to dissect and fix. Jokes on her! She got very, very, lucky.

[@r.c.miller6161]

Yes. In love with themselves. Most are on steroids.

[@RandomChristianMusings]

@@LynxStarAuto True, that.

[@eggsngritstn]

There is a correlation, yes. Only a vain man would put the work into their appearance that way.

[@GingerNinja1]

​@@eggsngritstn Not all are vain. Some ppl enjoy a healthy lifestyle.

[@vigtime7816]

How can defense lawyers live with themselves when they lie through their teeth for scumbags??? Gross! She NASTY!!!!

[@RandomChristianMusings]

They tell themselves that the U.S. Constitution guarantees every defendant the right to a vigorous defense. While I definitely agree with this, if I were a defense attorney, there's some people I would decline to represent. 😡 Judging by your post, I think you'd be inclined to agree with me. ☺ *Please take care, love. Have an amazing rest of your day. SHALOM* 💜🙏❤🙏💜

[@pinkpugginz]

​@RandomChristianMusings theyre getting paid. its a job. and some cases they get huge money. the team that defended Nathan bar jonah (child killer p3d0 cannibal) ended up being paid close to a million dollars or more for the death penalty case.

[@RandomChristianMusings]

@@pinkpugginz Yes, It's a job. Evidently, a very well paying one! I didn't know how much death penalty attorneys make. I guess I chose the wrong career path. I may not make the big $$, but I'm happy helping people in a way I'm comfortable with. Not saying I'm better, at all! It's just what works for me. You don't have to answer, but what field are you in? Are you an attorney? Thanks in advance if you're able/willing to reply. *Take care, love. You're obviously very intelligent. It's been great communicating with you this morning.*

[@vigtime7816]

@@RandomChristianMusings Definitely agree. Have a wonderful week. Fill it with goodness~ 💛🙏❤

[@vigtime7816]

@@pinkpugginz No amount of big money would convince my soul to defend evil like that!

[@BasilOnatopp]

Any 30 year old going after a teenager is a creep. Major red flag!

[@3BK235Y]

That's true, but she felt attratced to him too, because he had "a lot of muscles and tattoos". In many of these cases, women are killed because they are naive, careless, or reckless. Many people forget that, and when we point to that fact everybody gets up in protest and say we are blaming the victims. Jackie herself is a case in point. She stuck to and went out in the middle of the night with a man she had never seen before and knew nothing about. That's extremely dangerous behaviour, and many women do that. What do you think will happen when a scumbag meets a young, naive, careless or reckless woman at a bar in the middle of the night, and she follows him without asking questions? Finally, she was a teenager, but she was not a child, the age gap was not the real problem, and she was in the age of consent. There are probably millions of couples with that difference of age. The age gap was not really the problem, and there is no proof that a man is automatically a criminal or a murderer just because he falls in love with a younger woman. Matter of fact, many women prefer to have a relationship with, or marry to, older men.

[@SalvatoreTurieo]

​@@3BK235Yboy you seem to know everything., another Mrs. Know it all

[@3BK235Y]

@@SalvatoreTurieo I don't seem to know everything and, in fact, I don't like people who think they know everything. I just know know how to argue my case, in clear language, and with a generous dose of healthy realism. That's all.

[@TJ-bn2cn]

Every officer needs to take note of the job that this university officer did.. this is what your job is and what you’re paid to do. Thank you officer 👮‍♀️. I’m also impressed by this young lady, that she’d been brought up to understand that this wasn’t a good relationship.

[@vanillaghetto]

18 and 29 is a bad deal. Her parents should have put the kabosh on that immediately.

[@FreedomofSpeech865]

He needs to train others because the ineptitude of many has cause many, many deaths and untold trauma

[@douglasmasone7144]

That defense attorney? Disgusting theory attacking the victim! Intoxicated, panicked....give us a break! His defense attorney was just as psychotic!

[@geneziogenezio3299]

You Are Totally Correct.

[@margaretwhittaker2291]

I concur. What a ghastly human being she is!

[@skycloud4802]

Sounds like a lot of defence attorneys.

[@pinkpugginz]

It's literally their job I'm sure that that person hates the defendant as well we will be happy to have a defense attorney if you ever need one

[@RandomChristianMusings]

@@pinkpugginz Yes, thank you very much for your post. 😁 The U.S. constitution guarantees every defendant with the right to a vigorous defense. This is something I can totally agree with. I'm not a defense attorney, but I think there are are some people I'd decline to represent. Also, there are some arguments they make in court, especially those which disparage the victim, which I disagree with. I suppose they think their argumentation falls into the realm of a vigorous defense, but I think some of what they do is morally repugnant. *Please take care, stay safe, and have an exceptionally blessed rest of your day, love. SHALOM* 💜🙏❤🙏💜

[@blessedrthosesermount99]

The two girls do not resemble one another. He is SO. CREEPY. What an evil soul..

[@giabarrone7422]

Am I the only one that doesn’t see this uncanny resemblance they kerp harping on?

[@merrickmeyers]

Yeah

[@Southamericangirl42]

@giabarrone7422 Programming at its finest. Thankfully, not everyone came under the spell of 48 HRS.

[@ctuero]

GOD BLESS THAT UNIVERSITY POLICE OFFICER! GIVE HIM RAISES! GIVE HIM PRAISES! A HERO!

[@ZoeF.O]

Take a cold shower and stop yelling.

[@jimwerther]

​@@ZoeF.O Lol! But he is a hero.

[@samdoors5132]

I don’t know about all that because he was just doing his job that’s what is expected of them

[@adambane1719]

WHAAAAAAAT ????

[@ctuero]

@@samdoors5132 im sorta going overboard as a bit of a joke because after decades of watching true crime wow do police officers NOT do their job a lot of the time....

[@gaslitworldf.melissab2897]

The two girls look nothing alike, but in his state of mind, filled with rage, someone had to pay; a young female preferably. That night, he knew he was going to punish someone.

[@masakitube]

I remember this dude. He was friends with a roommate of mine called Kenny. When news of him broke out that he killed that poor girl my co-worker told us that he'd be bragging about how all girls are just his "lil toys" on a daily basis but apparently when his friends try to make fun of Katelyn who he called Katie he'd lash out at them.

[@TawnyC_]

Why were they making fun of her?

[@jimwerther]

Oh my god! They killed Kenny!

[@JustBreatheOkay]

@@jimwerther really ? Who killed him ?

[@fan_of_brent_terhune_comedian]

@@TawnyC_ I’m 9 minutes in and totally sick of hearing her. The girl who was actually murdered seems to be forgotten.

[@jimwerther]

@@fan_of_brent_terhune_comedian What a strange comment. For one thing, she didn't edit the video, 48 Hours did. It's not her fault that the victim's family refused to be interviewed, leading them to rely on her. For another, reaching conclusions 20% in is a bad idea.

[@bodomeijer772]

What a terible Job to be a Defense Lawyer and to try to get a Killer Free although knowing the Client is Guilty

[@andrellsmith9083]

After watching stories like this I’ve realized that being single isn’t all that bad after all. Eating bon bons alone is my new pastime

[@Clintsessentials]

So agree!!!

[@carolynw3602]

Years ago I had an ex that turned out to be a sociopath, thankfully he found someone very quickly after we broke up .. For me being single is a choice and I am happy with the freedom of making my own choices in life and enjoying my own company, without a bunch of scary drama.

[@andrellsmith9083]

@@carolynw3602 I’m glad u made it

[@_SoCalDude_]

Being single is underrated 100%

[@amberslilrose3954]

Or being married to a solid man who will protect you, also eliminating your risk because you no longer have to expose yourself to random men.

[@12thDecember]

Charles Bryant has arrogance and conceit written all over his face in his photos, except for the one where he's shown with Caitlin. *Beware* of people who display narcissistic poses and expressions of superiority in their photos. RIP Jackie. What a horrible and tragic ending to a kind-hearted life.

[@Smolpantherbeby]

So every woman ever?? Ur correct.

[@SugaSuga008]

@@Smolpantherbeby every women you choose. Choose better and stop aiming for only looks.

[@Smolpantherbeby]

@@SugaSuga008 I’m a woman lol and straight. Also looks and sexual attraction are very important otherwise it’s just platonic friendship. Nice try tho.

[@isimonsez]

@@SugaSuga008thats silly to say looks don’t matter. U know damn well there HAS TO BE physical attraction

[@isimonsez]

Narcissism is a personality disorder so poses in photos is not going to confirm it. By that statement you infer that fat/ unattractive people cant be narcissists

[@NFfortruthandjustice]

I experienced a stalker. Such a terrifying experience. This man rolled in from LA into a smaller town where I resided in Pa. Intailly, he seemed friendly and befriended my 2 dogs. He invited himself on a walk with my dogs and I. Then I noticed he had been watching me bc everytime I walked outside he was there. I became creeped out and literally had to hide indoors He would leave 2 dounuts and 2 o.j.'s on my porch every day for 2 weeks. Presumably they were meant for him and I. So wierd. My creep radar went off. Later found out this man with a fake name had a criminal record. I kept my doors locked. One night I walked outside and he was waiting outside like a creep awaiting to confront me. I believe he was crazy obsessed and I can still see his black eyes. I slowly backed away from him as he was shouting...awfully odd for not even knowing him!!. That night all my tires were slashed. It was him. No doubt. The Police arrested him and I never saw him again. Women, please always use your intuition. RIP to Jackie ( she had no idea she was leaving with a psycho stalker murderer!!!

[@MariaJones-hd4es]

Oh my gosh! I'm so glad you went with your instincts n avoided this man like the plague, so so creepy!

[@KerryanneConlon]

Me too and the guy left a note intended for me on my sisters grave! My dad was fuming, I mean it wasn’t enough that he was scaring me to death, constantly driving past my work, he was now encroaching on my murdered sisters peace! Some people are so strange, I hope your stalker has stopped and you now feel safe.

[@iveyhealth2266]

Was he over 6ft, with a square jaw?

[@NFfortruthandjustice]

@@iveyhealth2266 you can Google him Lee Sager, Johnstown, Pennsylvania. He looks crazy in his booking pic!

[@CrakeWasRight]

Guys who date much younger girls is ALWAYS a HUGE red flag. Ladies, think!

[@hubbaman9885]

It's also a huge red flag when a girl that young willingly pursues a guy with that much of an age difference so it shouldn't be just men who should be red flagged for that. 18, your an adult, take responsibility for your choices, you don't a free pass because of your gender. Women pursue younger guys all the time, does that warrant a red flag as well? Sounds like hypocrisy to me.

[@ellecheema3170]

The whole show was wrapped around a girl that is alive. I truly wish it was more of the girl that died. It's so sad.

[@senorreaction8196]

That's cuz Caitlyn's hotter

[@asanglalkr420]

I was thinking the same 🙁

[@ALT-vz3jn]

I didn’t experience this episode that way. I found it was focused on the killer.

[@josmclove4426]

You just had to beech about something😵‍💫

[@ellecheema3170]

@@josmclove4426 That's not bitching at all. I stated the obvious. I wanted to find out more of the victim. You literally trolled me to gripe of my opinion mate. 😂

[@michaelglynn7010]

Captain Polk is a great policeman, in general we need more people like him looking out for people 🙏

[@Analysis_Paralysis]

We need more mothers like Caitlin's mother. It was her upbringing that saved her...

[@adambane1719]

@@Analysis_Paralysis She treated him like trash. She has just as much responsibility for it as he has !!

[@willowwillis7374]

He truly is the exception

[@EmmaRose-dw5zv]

Caitlyn I’m sure you won’t see this but man am I proud of you. You’re here today because you were smart enough to pay attention to the warning signs! Thank you for listening to your mama and your intuition. I hope you are proud of yourself.

[@3BK235Y]

She could have done much better: not getting involved with him at all in the first place. I can't forget what drove her to him in the beginning: his muscles and his tattos. That's really hard to swallow. She was not smart. She was just lucly. If he had been "subtler", perhaps she'd never have noticed anything, and would be dead today.

[@nekograce7914]

Sometimes you can tell when a defense attorney does not believe their client is innocent. That does not mean this woman didn’t do her job, I think she did. Another thing I’ve learned is tragedy forms bonds and it can be beautiful.

[@LaurenceMosca89]

Eligible for parole in 30 years. Poor woman needs to think about this monster coming after her all her life. That's so unfair

[@cshaffer8258]

For the life of me, I don’t understand why the Judge wouldn’t allow her testimony. She obviously had first hand experience as to how crazy this psycho is! Thank god he was found guilty!

[@mjv7008]

Because it was irrelevant. I was hoping they wouldn't let her testify either. Jackie is dead and Caitlin is running around saying that could've been her because they look alike and they don't, she was seeking attention.

[@Angelaperez_4]

@@mjv7008 facts 💯

[@rockersr.g.2410]

that’s not seeking attention, that’s bringing attention to his behavior

[@richbrake9910]

@@mjv7008 Wrong! It was not allowed because the probative value was substantially outweighed by the risk of unfair prejudice. Trust me, it was relevant.

[@k.raye.6914]

@@mjv7008 Caitlin never said they looked alike. That’s a narrative 48 Hours came up with for the drama of it. Caitlin also NEVER sought attention from this. She is also a victim. All of the comments trashing her are disgusting. Stop judging what you don’t know.

[@qalba3016]

This Texas Ranger I think he’s the same guy helped finding the 3 murderers that killed the wife of this Spanish guy that wanted custody of children, he’s very very good, he broke the case wide open and he put the final nail in the husbands coffin put him away for life, the video is in you tube, if anyone like to watch just type Texas Ranger interview it was the BEST interview I ever watched Cheers

[@lauralei6963]

I wish they wouldn’t make him put on those shades & cowboy hat like Walker, Texas Ranger. That doesn’t seem to be his personality..

[@qalba3016]

@@lauralei6963 I disagree with you , I live in Texas I have immigrated to USA with my family in 1992 , first thing I noticed the cowboy hat , its so original and Texans are proud to wear it , I always thought it so nice to be proud of your culture and Texas rangers are proud to show their roots , really nice to see Cheers 🍻

[@Kkayoodle]

If I'm working at Walmart & someone comes in at 4AM & only buys a shovel..... I'm calling the police!

[@ericaquick7157]

Agreed!

[@hollydaugherty2620]

You don't call the police about weird purchases at 4 am. That helps a cop do absolutely nothing and waste time. Go ahead and call 911 over a shovel purchase and see what happens.

[@Verawnique]

They don't even look alike. He was just a sad little man looking to get revenge on someone....

[@jillolds4162]

My thoughts exactly

[@nika4843]

Ikr! I think Jackie was better looking than Caitlyn overall. I think he saw Jackie and thought she looked better than Caitlyn and decided he wanted Jackie now. When Jackie rejected him, he snapped and decided he was tired of getting rejected and killed her out of anger. Oftentimes, for people who tend to obsess over others, they can move on quickly if someone better comes along, since it's not real love that they are feeling. He saw Jackie as a replacement. I don't think she reminded him of Caitlyn at all.

[@kitchenskills5427]

She may have rejected him and that probably set him off.

[@ajordan1976]

​@@kitchenskills5427 🎯

[@opheliamyall2554]

Even viewers are convinced of his guilt. Sad that Jackie lost her life. Very sad.

[@twilit]

even viewers?

[@Bettinasisrg]

Aren't you?

[@ALT-vz3jn]

What a weird comment…

[@twilit]

@@Bettinasisrg obviously why wouldn’t i be

[@nicolesallie5278]

I’m literally disgusted at how many times he was arrested and made bail, over and over again ……. I just can’t believe how bad people are able to repeat offenses over and over again with little or hardly any consequences …… no wonder they keep doing it but I’m so glad this piece of s*** got what he deserved

[@jeanny4204]

OMG yeess... i mean how many stalker turns killer cases were happened, and the justice system still did not improve..

[@oliviamccormick4200]

Thank you 🙏 , finally Ended on a comment that is getting at the actual question! how many times does a psycho stalker have to be arrested for them to put him in jail? This poor girl's life would have been saved if the police acted on it asap .

[@mjanny6330]

Don't like it? Stop complaining that "people can't pay their bail!" Because this is the fruits of bail reform.

[@Honeybulldog]

I love the interviewer. Asking the right questions at the right time with the most respect and kindness

[@crishuez]

Thank God for that officer. Arresting him over and over was exactly what should be done in all cases. Men like this never learn.

[@hesatthegoddess]

Captain Polk is Caitlyn's hero! He noticed that Charles Bryant was a serial stalking and dangerous immediately, his quick actions saved her life.

[@maldust7438]

I think the motive was that he just ended up taking all his rage out in someone because of his feelings over his ex. He probably had built up emotions and aggression. And that poor girl ended up with a ticking time bomb. It's just so unfair that that happened to her....

[@jimwerther]

You have no idea what his motive was

[@shelliedavis]

​@@jimwerther That's why they said "I THINK". It's an opinion. Chill. 🧘‍♂️

[@adambane1719]

@@jimwerther Can't read huh !?

[@jimwerther]

@@adambane1719 I can read. Apparently, though, you can't write.

[@ZeldaReacts1]

​@@jimwerther called a theory mate.

[@traveltm]

So terrifying. Thus young woman did nothing except walk in a bar and have a conversation with a man. Something millions have done. And she ends up murdered and found in such a horrific state.

[@sanakhan-jx9uv]

She shudnt have left with a stranger

[@3BK235Y]

She did more than simnply walk in a bar and have a convsersation with a man. She had a conversation with a man she had never seen before, knew nothing about him, and then left with him to somewhere without asking any questions.

[@cultmamacultmama3571]

Have a conversation. Do not get into his car and drive away somewhere with him the night you met him. It's simple really.

[@3BK235Y]

"This young woman did nothing except walk in a bar and have a conversation with a man. Something millions have done." Apparently, she did more than that, beginning with the fact that the man she had a conversation with was a complete stranger about whom she knew nothing. That alone was more than enough to put her in a dangerous situation. I don't know if millions have done the same thing, but since these are essentially dangerous situations, you can never foresee the outcome.

[@romanc.5074]

Many have been murdered under similar circumstances because they came out of a bar with a stranger.

[@sanderson3490]

STOP LETTING THESE GUYS OUT OF JAIL! How many women have to die!? How many??

[@slapeters2004]

I hope and pray that Kaitlyn can get through her survivor’s guilt and do something really special in the world. This dude is not worth worrying about, but I do understand why she worries. Separately, when I was working in leadership for a major company in the past, we had a female call center rep that had a restraining order against her ex. She told us about it, and we remained vigilant. One day, he showed up at the office, we all recognized him when he came to the door ringing the buzzer to be let in. Those of us who were brave enough - some of us former military - formed a line at the front door to bar him from entry while our receptionist called 911. He was quickly arrested, and this poor employee (although traumatized) was extremely thankful knowing her employer would do anything they could to keep her safe. That is how it should work. Shame on BWW!!!!!!

[@danis4054]

I can’t believe the manager wouldn’t just trespass him from coming to the business! I’m sure they don’t need the money that badly. From one customer! Shame on them.

[@ALT-vz3jn]

Kudos to your and your company for protecting your employee who was being stalked! Very honorable and admirable. ❤

[@taragriffin449]

A friend of mine had an order against her ex. She told the leader of her church and he said "I can't stop him from coming here. All are welcome" I was in disbelief. He knew she was being stalked and harassed, and the history of domestic violence, and refused to help keep that monster from continuing his reign of terror.

[@danis4054]

@@taragriffin449 How much was this stalker paying in tithes? I’ve noticed pastors are a lot more lenient on big spenders. Paying their paycheck ya know.

[@annamarielewis7078]

@@taragriffin449Never a surprise when a church sides with the criminals

[@marcushopkins8558]

Being a defense attorney is a wild job to me. She can’t really believe that he didn’t commit this crime right? With the huge amount of evidence against him she’ll sit there and go to bat for him… I know it’s her job but damn smh

[@flyingsword135]

No. She is evil.

[@herstory1012]

Yea, I can't be a defence lawyer. Having to defend evil with a straight face. But some of them do help innocent plaintiffs get off.

[@justsomeone2391]

Some people truly are innocent

[@spm4391]

I wanted to become a lawyer but the LSAT test is so hard. I can't finish on time.

[@boxychubbo6922]

@@flyingsword135 hey, you never know... she may have purposely not tried very hard.

[@loriegosnell9355]

Being stalked is all consuming. You’re constantly on guard and can’t relax at all even when you try to sleep. It is horrible and most law enforcement don’t do anything at all. They will set you up and call the police on YOU so your character is stained and you look like the criminal. They are diabolical.

[@melissahardeman294]

Been there done that it's scary too. He must've loved here in DALLAS it's a hop n a skip away so I know that's a good drive.Hes a good looking dude he didn't have to stalk nobody

[@rebekahmeegan8922]

The ex girlfriend is extremely mature for her age and her common sense is over the top. Brian is a dangerous man and i hope he never has the chance to be a free man! Poor Jackie did not deserve to die R.I.P. sweet Jackie 🙏

[@halfdome4158]

Full of maturity and common sense after he killed someone. I would never have given him the time of day at 18 or any age.

[@Analysis_Paralysis]

Oh, yeah, extremely emotionally intelligent, due to her wonderful upbringing and the respect and trust she received from her mother. She knew what's important in relationships and was able to protect herself and react very quickly, as soon as she saw the warning signs. She was too strong for him, he tried everything, but he couldn't deceive/manipulate her a second time.

[@ilovebrandnewcarpets]

Kaitlin and Jackie look nothing alike whatsoever. So odd that the cops, attorneys, and 48 hours are trying to make the connection. He doesn't need them to look the same to be a psycho killer. As Chris Rock once said- "Whatever happened to CRAZY?"

[@Seashellsbytheseashore21]

The lawyers were trying to grasp straws for a motive

[@crystalshaw8744]

I'm sorry but...giggle.

[@Verawnique]

Such an awesome officer....thank-you, Officer Polk....

[@Analysis_Paralysis]

Her mother is the true hero. If her daughter hadn't had proper boundaries, she would have already been dead. What the officer did or didn't do was secondary. It was Caitlin herself who protected herself and looked out for herself. She's exceptional and we all have to learn from her to have such firm and healthy boundaries.

[@kimsmith1028]

How can a monster like him not get the death penalty.

[@christinafilbert3273]

The police captain is my hero. The way he helped Caitlin Mathis is amazing. I think she is alive because he protected her with the law. If every police officer uses the law the way he did, some women could be saved.

[@MrPickledede]

Unfortunately it really depends upon the scenario upon the location of the events if this happened in a large city unfortunately there is so much crime and there are enormous and overwhelming amount of cases that detectives and police officers have to deal with they don't have the time to follow up on cases like this

[@elizabethgracee]

Man this is crazy. When I was 22, I broke up with my ex because he started verbally abusing me. I grew up in an abusive home so once he started calling me names I was out. After I broke up with him, he stalked me for 4 months, constantly going to my work, school and home. He would knock on my window all night and morning long. Sometimes I would be in my car and he would be there watching from outside the window. When I would walk somewhere, sometimes I would look back cause I felt someone was staring at me and he would be there staring at me from a distance. I would see his car following me on the highway when I would switch lanes. I was petrified, he was even arrested for stalking me at one point but he still kept doing it after his arrest. One day he was waiting for me at school I cried telling him “please don’t ruin your life over a relationship” because the cops told me if they caught him again he would go to prison and I reiterated that to him. After that day I never saw him again. I still look over my shoulder. Rest in peace.

[@SpringNotes]

Thank goodness, he listened ! Most don't.

[@award89]

So scary-I’m sorry you had to experience that terror.

[@starr8111]

Wow I am so glad you cried to him and told him that. It looks like that woke him up

[@variousJnames]

I'm so sorry you had to experience that😢 No one deserves to live in that kind of manipulation and fear.

[@CarMaBear]

I cant imagine knowing your child died because of an obsession between two people she didnt even know. . . The anger at the pointlessness of it all, i just cant imagine getting past that. I also csnt imagine being thr parent of the grown child that couldve so easily been the one that died. The guilt combined with relief... wow. These people are strong. All of em.

[@laurenferrell6013]

Very well said!!! She walked in to get a job and walked out without her life! So tragic!

[@All.Natural.]

Good to see that officer gave a damn and helped protect her. Respect to Captain Polk!

[@salmonjanet]

"At the beginning of the relationship everything was good." ugh... 3 months is still the beginning of a relationship.

[@janethalken8269]

Ikr??? He told the other ex that he loved her after 3 dates!! Before they even kissed!? Caitlin's mom raised a smart girl. I watch these things and I feel like they should have a class in highschool (or junior high?) where they just play these crime shows. It's not you, and don't be afraid to take it super slow getting to know someone.

[@jennifercordova7229]

She was a child. 3 months is an eternity to an 18 year old.

[@Analysis_Paralysis]

@@jennifercordova7229 Right, she did very well in ending it so soon!

[@Analysis_Paralysis]

Plus, she broke off the relationship right at the beginning after she saw the warning signs. It's so silly to make fun of that. What should she have done? Stayed longer? Even if the relationship is short, it has a beginning and an end. Gosh, these people! Get a grip, JayNay...

[@Christina_320]

Right

[@vialogan]

Stories like this are riveting but, honestly, it makes me question why I ever leave my house to interact with others. Caitlyn's mom, you've done an awesome job guiding your daughter to sense when someone is bad and taking the proper action. Be proud! I'm sure you're incredibly grateful your beautiful daughter was not the victim of this deranged man. Prayers and love for Jackie's family. Another beautiful woman senselessly cut down in the prime of her life.

[@twitchiewitch1]

Mother's instincts are strong, especially when they've been in abusive relationships themselves. I kno exactly what this mom was talking about. I went thru a very similar thing w my adult daughter last yr. She started dating a guy who just got out of a long prison sentence, I really gave him a chance not wanting to judge him solely on being a convict since he was young & did his time but when I met him & as the relationship progressed I saw many red flags, tried telling my daughter, we fought bcuz she didn't want to believe me & a lil over a month into the relationship... he shot her & also assaulted her 4 yr old son, my grandson. This guy had only been out of prison for 6 months. A month ago he was sentenced to 20 more yrs plus extra for parole violations. Daughters should listen to their Mother's more.

[@Analysis_Paralysis]

If it's a healthy relationship, I mean the one between the mother and the daughter, they do listen.

[@Bettinasisrg]

A.S. you are incorrect. Kids that are raised to be independent will not always listen. Kids that are brainwashed followers will always listen. To the op I hope your daughter and grandson are ok.

[@judibiggerstaff8054]

@@Analysis_Paralysis Way to make this mother feel bad. Could be her daughter was just at a rebellious stage Or thought she was an adult and would make her own decisions

[@startinajackson606]

@@Analysis_Paralysisyour just awful, just awful how dare you say that to a hurting mom.

[@Analysis_Paralysis]

@@startinajackson606 She's literally shaming and victim-blaming daughters, instead of trying to understand why they make the choices they make. And when they don't listen to the mother that means they're trusting the mother even less than themselves. Shaming young people is not how you get them to listen to you, it's literally manipulation and guilt-tripping.

[@peaceout6285]

Thankfully, Caitlin recognized the red flags in Charles' behavior. Kudos to Captain Polk for listening to Caitlin & and taking the stalking seriously and repeatedly being there for her & helping her. Too often, occurrances of stalking are not taken seriously by law enforcement.

[@williamelliott]

Just looking at the guy tells me he is not stable. Being a narcissist as well as needy is a bad combination then when justified rejection is thrown in the mix you have a ticking time bomb.

[@margaretwhittaker2291]

the eyes......

[@williamelliott]

@@margaretwhittaker2291 exactly

[@Dainty213]

The eyes and the duck lips on his selfies

[@magical8013]

I just want to say that it is so awesome you guys are releasing full episodes on KZbin. It makes my evenings so much better.

[@flowerchild89]

Agreed 💯

[@theghostsofstonyclove]

Yes the binging has been excellent 👏

[@laurelvanwilligen9787]

Wow, too bad there aren't more police officers like Captain Jeremy Polk. He did the absolute best that anyone could wish under the circumstances. Bravo.

[@richbrake9910]

University officers have more time to look out for victims of stalkers...but yes, Captain Polk is good.

[@carolsummers8734]

There are lots like him.

[@JonBlackstone]

48 hours is the best true crime show ever. It rarely disappoints. Why don’t they make the entire back catalogue available going back to the very beginning?

[@derekw1267]

Dateline is better.

[@gspendlove]

When she said, "My major is Nutrition with an emphasis on Wellness," that hit me in the heart. She was studying to possibly do what I do for a living. Rest in Peace Jackie. 😢

[@MrPickledede]

I understand what nutrition is but what is an emphasis on Wellness

[@stregalilith]

She was learning to help people to be healthier. What a loss. RIP Jackie. So sad.

[@samchic84]

Never leave a bar with a stranger! Never, never, never, never, ever! If u like em that much, call em in the am, also would rather walk home in rain then get a ride n never get home.

[@sr2291]

When does a person stop being a stranger?

[@samchic84]

@@sr2291 when u know more than just their name, when u meet n both r sober more than once, when u meet some of their friends/family, when u know their address. Basically things that can help u learn more about them and have established that they r not out in the open crazy

[@katcleans9819]

I knew Charles very well up until 2 years before this happened. I will never understand evil and what he did was pure evil.

[@speakstrange]

Did you ever feel anything unusual or off about Charles?

[@RandomChristianMusings]

How did you know him? I'd be fascinated to know, especially if the two of you had once dated. Did you ever feel uncomfortable whilst in his company? *Judging by your profile picture, you're quite a beautiful young lady.* I have a daughter who's about your age. I'm so glad you're alive, sweetheart. ❤ Thank you so much in advance if you're able/willing to reply. ☺

[@katcleans9819]

@@RandomChristianMusings I hired him as my personal trainer. We worked out together 4x a week for many months so naturally we became closer and after a few weeks considered ourselves friends. We were not romantically involved, but we did hang out with each other outside of the gym quite often. Movies, concerts, hikes, etc. I never got psychotic vibes from him and I was never scared to be around him. I felt sad for him bc his life didn’t seem to be the easiest and from my perspective he lacked ambition and direction.

[@BeeHind]

Wow you're very lucky --- i feel like you look closer in looks to the ex girlfriend than Jackie does even.

[@katcleans9819]

@@BeeHind I knew him before his obsession with his girlfriend. I’m my (very) nonprofessional opinion, he had to have suffered some kind of psychotic break. He was on antidepressants for awhile after his discharge from the military and I know he also used illegal drugs, although infrequently when I knew him. I think his mental heath and drug use contributed to him losing touch with reality. When I knew him he was very kind, soft spoken, and even gentle and it didn’t seem like that was a personality of a true narcissist. My opinion only, of course.

[@danjay84]

"I don't recall having sex", said no man ever...

[@michaelslater6839]

She was killed to send a message to his ex-girlfriend that:. “This is what’s going to happen to you, if you don’t come back” He’s a sick sociopath that needs to remain in prison for life.

[@idontremembermakingythandle]

Agree, he is sick.

[@ruthmelicharles5062]

RIP to the beautiful victim. People with criminal behaviours have way too many rights. He was arrested for stalking, yet he posted bail. Kudos to the campus officer. He was considerate and caring. As for the narcissistic pos, he knew exactly what he was doing. More women should watch these documentaries and learn from them.

[@stregalilith]

Police officers should learn from them. And employers. "I don't feel safe enough to work here." Her employer should have taken steps to protect her. Stalking should be taken seriously by everyone.

[@Periwinkleblue.]

These poor women. All of the law enforcement officers and prosecutors involved did stellar work. They stopped a future serial killer in his tracks.