5/4 Odd Time Beats - Drum Lessons

[@CyrusSpringfellow]

0:11 authenic 2007

[@ATthemusician]

Ifk

[@justin______nguyen]

Thats what I thought.

[@MisterAppleEsq]

Brings back memories.

[@ccostavictor1]

lol

[@jimmydollarsign]

authentic 2016

[@mitchelltheawesome1]

This dude just seems like a genuinely good guy.

[@NwoDispatcher]

He white supremacist

[@mitchelltheawesome1]

@@NwoDispatcher I can't tell if this is bait or not.

[@thenoobman93]

🤣🤣🤣

[@FallNorth]

@@mitchelltheawesome1 It's not true. Although when I asked him about the lettering on his new T shirt, he said it meant Beat Lengths Matter :P.

[@sephiroth7818]

He's the ringleader at drumeo currently 🤔

[@deja0entendu]

Kit sounds amazing. None of these are complicated, but I'm assuming this would be gold for a beginner. I don't know how you could dislike this video. It's legit, free education.

[@shivtekoriginal]

11 years later and you're still just as incredibly helpful. Thanks, Jared.

[@iloveskateboarding45]

i taught myself to play drums, and when i started learning time signatures, i found it fairly simple. i had always played odd time signatures, i just never knew thats what they were.

[@affeofen]

Same here but it's a good thing if you can understand at some point what you are intuitively doing :)

[@21Rushisaband12]

Best part about 5/4 is that Howard Shore, the film composer who did the Lord of the Rings film, actually had the orcs marching in 5/4 as they approached Minas Tirith

[@jarrahoyen148]

thanks for posting that. i'm not a drummer and sometimes need to work with other times such as 5/4 for a piece i'm working on. this helped me understand what the drummer is actually doing behind the track (which isn't yet written) and now i can space parts around it in my head

[@andrewjeffries8721]

I also just play drums with a keyboard and mouse, but this way of starting off simple, using sheet music to assist (for those of us who think visually) is excellent. No distracting words, showy technique or other unnecessary 'dramatics'. This has helped me. Thank you, Jared.

[@mrsomething2132]

a keyboard? my gosh...

[@bulzah]

Lol those camera moves

[@PotaoDude]

I'm not much of a drummer, but I love videos like this. They instruct odd meters much better than non-drummer videos. They really help with writing drum parts to my odd-metered music.

[@ThemLizards]

Wow this is amazing. it sounds really tough to play, but its really not all that hard. ive been playing drums for over 4 years and have only really played in 3/4 and 4/4. What a treat this is! It makes drumming SO much more interseting!

[@henrymasters8319]

Never been a jared fan but he has built amazing drumming empire.

[@DrumeoOfficial]

Yes this is Rock Beach! I am assuming you have been there? It is an absolutely stunning studio, one of the best we have ever been in. -FreeDrumLessons-

[@MrJeffParks]

You are a great resource, as I just started writing a song, which, lo and behold, is turning out to be in a 5/4 beat. This information will be a great help in writing the drum line. Thanks!

[@MR-Production-]

it's easier if u counting it like this : 1.2.1.2.3. or 1.2.3.1.2 .

[@es30888]

That's what Ralph Humphrey recommends, too. He approaches odd time as combination of "twos" and "threes".

[@etherelement]

Persian Karaoke .... It IS 12312 and 12123

[@ashhalcyon]

I instinctually do that. It just works.

[@gregwill500]

ta-din-ge-din-dah another way of saying 12345. and much more rhythmically satisfying. Check out konnakol counting - using rythmic sounds - there's lots of variations but its a great way to learning complicated time signatures and feel the groove.

[@Greg-Ski]

Outstanding, I love how you explain what you are about to do before you do it, and how you play at moderate speed, keep it up, we are learning a lot

[@Angelzxairwaves]

That's really cool how he does this for free for the good of drummers. Gives me a fuzzy feeling inside lol

[@yittmashups]

in any time signature, the tp number is how many count to the measure, and the bottom number is what kind of beat gets 1 count. so 5/8 means 5 counts, each one being an eighth note, and 5/4 is 5 counts, each being a quarter note

[@bcsonline]

When playing odd time signatures, I would also recommend learning the "clave" pattern of the individual song (clave is used loosely here.) An example would be the vamp on the song Take Five. Keep the vamp running in your head and base you’re playing around it. Your playing will stay in time and be musical. In my opinion, it is more interesting than trying to count beats.

[@rajeshhkkapoor8549]

187 dislikes have no feel or sense of time or rhythm or gratitude... It's an amazing lesson... Am a noob at 53.. getting into Meshuggah / Ron JARZOMBEK type feel of dissonance and polymeters... This lesson is gold 🙏⚡⚡⚡⭐👍👍👍

[@Grimster]

SHE TURNED MY DAD ON SHE TURNED MY DAD ON DAD ON DAD ONNNN wait that is my dad

[@arjunalco6589]

Its 14 damn years! Great job guys! You guys have taken everything over the top!

[@tamakit123]

wow he just helped me understand time signatures a lot better... so much easier when simple

[@StepFreq94]

A really easy way to count odd time signatures is to just sub-divide the the measure. like 5/4 can be counted like 1+2+3+1+2+, turning it into a 3/4 measure followed by a 2/4 measure. 6/8 can go to two 3/4 measures and so on. Idk if this is really easier, but is is for me.

[@usaearthling]

This guy is a great teacher. He is very easy to understand.

[@conjigalo]

You are correct my friend. At first he is playing in 5/4 and later in the video he plays in 5/8. But the timing is still the same. it just gives a different feel.

[@josiahmathew]

If ur watching this in 2021 ur a legend u have my respect 😎

[@christopheles]

Good stuff man. Nice of you to put it all online with sheet music as well. Thanks for sharing.

[@just_curi0us]

why is this guy so calm!

[@northernlight4614]

Excellent explanation.

[@AstroSalamander]

so 5/4 is really good for odd clunky sounding music. This will be very helpful in game ost's

[@loochpe]

It shows what note gets the beat. 4=quarter note 8=eighth note 16=sixteeth note. I love 5/4. It just rolls so well if you do it right... which most people don't. haha.

[@supranormal_]

His voice: Okay, I'm really excited for this video lesson! We're going to be playing through some 5/4 beats! His face: T_T

[@nakedpplinthestreet]

lol. The camera changes are really funny...This kind of thing can be very helpful even for a guitarist or other musician. As a guitarist, learning different time signatures really helps me be more creative when I play. For example, Jack White uses a lot of strange time signatures. Having a really good sense of time also enables a player to sort of "bend" the time, playing behind or ahead of the actual beat which creates different types of tension.

[@DrummerRF]

Beyond this life is a great example of 5/4

[@Naitsirk808]

I'll remind you this is the Senior Writer/Editor of Berklee Press for 7 years, as a musician for over 30 years, and with a both bachelor's and master's degrees in composition from New England Conservatory. I reckon he might have the upper hand on us here?

[@videoediv666]

Thanks, you made me see the simplicity of this rithm. Greetings from Chile.

[@nhdude6]

Daney Carey of Tool is amazing for odd timed beats, but it's such hard drumming, GOOD LUCK trying to play it

[@altacert]

Excellent instruction and drummer too. Wow.... Great...

[@nikooxmaster]

This guy is a really good teacher, I understand all his lessons and I don't even play drums

[@MayGuh]

the 1st pattern he played is in the song "long distance runaround" by Yes. they are the 1st group that i ever heard 5/4

[@futurfry]

I feel seriously good about myself for getting all of these down right away

[@DEEECKED]

I played beat 4 for my band members... they were totally psyched out!

[@Trollkriger]

i play bass and i've helped drummers with these kinds of time signatures

[@philnoll]

Supernova, how are you breaking them down? I like to do 11/16 in 3-3-3-2 format (Sounds like a 7/8 in swing time) My favorite breakdown of 13/16 is 7-7-7-5 (almost the same ratio) The number 26 is cool too, because add one beat, and you've got the 3 cubed, subtract one beat and you've got 5 squared, so its versatile.

[@KillianDeaton]

5/4 is one of my all time favorites to play

[@TheWALOS]

You can also get a 5/4 beat to sound more natural if you play the snare on the sixth 8th note of the bar. That places the snare hit in the middle of the bar, and actually makes for a beat that doesn't sound jumpy or skippy at all.

[@karnivorx]

@AreaCode978 A lot of people have a different method. Some people feel very comfortable in other time signatures. Personally, I will often write a drum beat or guitar line and don't even realize until later what time signature it's in. Once I wrote a guitar line and figured out I was playing 5/4, 5/4, 2/4. Other people purposefully write a song in a different meter and then make a big deal about it (like the jazz song Take 5).

[@Greg-Ski]

Love Beat Number Four!

[@Shaqhawk]

@AreaCode978 The situation depends on some factors. Sometimes people play things that are simply played in a different time, sometimes they want to make a beat/riff in a different time so then the timing comes first. Personally, I play a beat in 4/4 first and then sometime I'll think of an addition to the beat that makes it sound better and different timing. so it goes either way

[@DEM94]

¡MESHUGGAH!

[@Naitsirk808]

@KingRundzap time signature exists if one can divisively organise rhythmic phrases into odd and even numbers / fractions and subdivisions thereof.

[@Maxarcc]

Man I remember these when I just started out! Thanks for helping me out Jared!

[@favd2002]

yamaha absolute maple, cool kit!!!

[@guyboy625]

1:46 1,3-dibase-2,4-disnare-5-hihatpentaquartane

[@TheCzarsoham]

It's been nine years, but as a chemistry student, I appreciate your humour

[@G27dude]

Thanks. Needed a beat for this weird acoustic part I wrote. I didn't know how to make a 5/4 beat. lol

[@SuicidalSpider]

Yeah it's definitely for beginners. You should show some double-bass-pedal in 5/4, it sounds awesome....

[@ThatMadeMeLmao]

toms sound amazing

[@ccrstucook]

Im bassist and I understand very well , actually on rythm I think is easy , you only think on 5 / 4 and counting , but qhen you know about harmony and composition es a little beat more confuse make a song in 5/4 , but not impossible Take Five !!!!

[@Rizilo]

As a bassist, these beats and rhythms are simple. When you get into percussion bass, you do a lot more complex rhythms.

[@y2ksw1]

If you have problems counting up to five (it can easily be), split into alternating 3 and 2 counts, which can add additional movement and slight accents. With this technique you also reach easily other odd counts, such as 11/8's and produce the right feeling (Take Five, btw).

[@miang58]

+y2ksw1 2s and 3s are great for building all sorts of rythyms even in 4/4

[@Naitsirk808]

One of the answers that kindly came in was: Hi Corey, I'll go out on a limb here and risk looking stupid. As Senior Writer/Editor of Berklee Press for 7 years, as a musician for over 30 years, and with a both bachelor's and master's degrees in composition from New England Conservatory, I have never ever seen an odd number in the bottom number of a time signature. Finale, which is essentially the world's most powerful notation program, doesn't support writing them.

[@mitchem890]

@austinwmson Yea it doesnt matter could be 5/32nds if he wanted. it just depends on how he counts it and the context in which its used in.

[@tothag84]

Wow! Throwback 👍

[@Rogmeister999]

Because they play lots of odd timed stuff. And they rock.

[@Naitsirk808]

@KingRundzap I think there's a few people that'd like to see a video of you demonstrating the written score and how to play / count it. I think that way I'm likely to follow what you're saying. all the best.

[@claucastaneda7894]

You really helped me, I'm making a song in 5/4, thanks

[@sceneIs]

i added an extra step whilst i was walking today it was pretty interesting

[@KingRundzap]

Re differences between, say 3/4 and 6/8: There are some pretty well-entrenched conventions about time signatures with respect to typical accents and phrasing, but those conventions are broken just as often. Really, ANYTHING could be written in ANY time signature--phrases would just line up with bars unusually. Stravinsky did that kind of thing all the time, btw. Look at some of his scores while listening to the pieces.

[@BlckSbthMan]

Odd times signatures are probably the most interesting thing I've ever witnessed.

[@KingRundzap]

The guideline for choosing what time signature to write something in should be, "What is most likely to get this played the way I want?" If you write something phrased in 4s in 3/4, it's likely to at least lead to time being wasted while musicians figure it out.

[@LeoSypniewskiMusic]

the mix is great good lesson

[@D0nCab]

@eatrocksah odd time signature doesnt mean odd as in unusual, it means odd as in not an even amount of beats.

[@threegreencharms]

Guile from Streetfighter is so musically inclined, wow I had no idea

[@mee11mee]

ill be honest... these videos are a bit dorky. but give him credit. this is a GREAT tutorial.

[@exjesus202]

My comment was directed at Dailydent, who's saying that "non-musicals aren't bright enough to get music either" He's teaching beginners musicianship so he should be phrasing it as such.

[@wiouxev]

His drums sound amazing!

[@drmcscroogle240]

These guys actually are extremely helpful, I mean, free sheet music? Not many people would give you the skin of their shite

[@KingRundzap]

@AntiPirateSquad 5/7 would be a time signature. 5 "beats" in the measure, and one note of an eighth note septuplet grouping (in 4/4) gets one beat. 5:7 is a notation that we're going to play a quintuplet--a 5 note grouping, in the space where we'd usually play a septuplet (a 7 note grouping). The way to think of it would be a "5 on 7" polyrhythm. It could occur as quarter notes, eighth notes, sixteenth notes, even over a number of bars, and in any time signature.

[@Naitsirk808]

@KingRundzap I've got a degree in Music (Ba Hons) I should be able to get my head round what you're saying, but since score is far easier for me than someone's / anyone's explanation, it'd be really appreciated, I'm sure not just by me but others' who feel they can't get their heads round the fact you just reinvented the law of western music and time signatures after some thousands of years... :b

[@Polumrak]

Amazing! Now I understand all I need )

[@LSweener012]

wow his toms sound amazing. wish i could get mine to sound that deep and rich.

[@dbutcher84]

I don't count when I play either, but I think it's important to know how to count and know how things are put together.

[@ChandlerCashdollar]

thats an awesome drum kit

[@vegadomis32988]

Set sounds amazing

[@Red171]

yeah but I wouldn't worry... its jsut the top number thats important, while playing you can changed from 5/4 to 5/8 to 5/16 (like sticking more hits in) anytime as long as you stay in the 5 count.. I havent been playing very long but this is how I understand it.

[@eonblueapocalypse21]

vicarious by tool is another sick example

[@Theblob516]

These lessons are for beginners, and really there isn't an insanely different sound from 5/4 and 5/8 so in this case it doesn't matter.

[@bubisoap]

It means that the rhythm will have an eight note feel, count it 1&2&3&4&5& That's pretty much it...listen to Sting's ten summoner's tales with Vinnie colaiuta playing 5/8 and 7/8 feels on several songs to get the idea...

[@007WillSch]

Great lesson man

[@todoz11]

they're arguably the best band ever in terms of technique and stuff.

[@farbrorblo]

yeah, yeah i'm sure a lor of you guys know most of this stuff already, but this may not be for you and he actually explain it pretty good.

[@KingRundzap]

@AntiPirateSquad In a bar of n/7, one of those pulses (that I just explained in the last post) would "get the beat". Then we'd have to figure out plain old quarters, half notes, etc. in relation to that. So for example, say we're in 4/7 and we want to play quarters. You could play 16ths relative to the n/7 pulse easy enough. Well, after the first quarter on the downbeat, the second quarter would occur on the "a (uh)" of 2--after 7 of the 16ths relative to the n/7 pulse.

[@69adrummer]

NO SHIT! One song: Lateralus! 9/8 8/8 7/8 repeating! Blows the mind!

[@my3inchesofblod]

@jangel2771 I believe Its a lot easier to play odd timings on stringed instruments than it is on percussion

[@sinkingship101]

Damn click track... I'd like to sample this stuff. 5/4 loops are hard to come by

[@MrSinghisking24]

Still sampling it, click track and all would be a power move

[@JamesHarmerMusic]

He's using Evans coated heads of some kind, but that sound isn't because of the heads as much as how they are tuned... and he has die cast rims on the toms, that makes a really big difference. That's no cheap kit, I think it's a real high end Yamaha. I'm not the biggest fan of Yamaha, aside from their toms... but when you get that high up(I'd guess at least $2,500+) all brands make decent kits. It's the die cast rims here though, make the heads sound much better. -James'

[@Joeywas_here]

Omg you've come on long way my friend on camera haha you da best

[@totsuo831]

i cannot achieve this level of iagolibsaeogibag-itude (thats the only word to describe how amazing it is)

[@TomMark182]

@PRDrum5 Danny Carey of Tool is a master of disguising odd time signatures.