5.7x28 vs .22 Magnum Speer GOLD DOT....(Part 1: Pistols)

Testing some Speer Gold Dot defensive ammo in 5.7x28 and .22 wmr. Heavy clothing ballistic gel test using the FN Five Seven & Walther WMP!
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[@wayartio]

I started shooting the 22 mag 20 years ago. Still going strong! A great round

[@ToolsandTargets]

Love it.😎👍

[@Ricobanggg]

I love 22mag but the 5.7 market is changing it’s becoming more available and known SaW, PSA. Ruger, have all made 5.7 handguns markets expanding even seen this ammo show up at my local gun store for the first time well stocked

[@NitrousFTW871]

.22 mag, the most underrated round especially with Gold Dots. Out of a rifle it becomes no joke but that is to be expected. Great test again!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👍

[@yellowboxster06]

More impressive to me, the .22 Magnum. I’ve always believed it to be a rifle caliber primarily for small game hunting. Personally, the only advantage I see to the 5.7 X 28 is the fact it is not a rim fire cartridge. Nice job, very informative.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Funny thing is I didn't have a single "problem" from the .22 mag, yet had that one random failure to eject with the 5.7.🤷‍♂️

[@treetop.garage]

The 22 mag did well for the speed difference ..plus like you said the 5.7 is way more $$..great test tools

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you, brother. Kinda meh all around on this one.

[@ronaldbarnes8302]

I would stick with the 22 mag due to price and availability. Don’t have a 5.7 but think it would shine in a carbine. Haven’t tried the 22 mag Gold Dot yet, but it looks impressive. Look forward to the rifle test! Thanks for the test Tools!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Appreciate ya!

[@dr.danknepper6530]

You would absolutely love a 5.7 in a carbine if you had one! Very fun! Thank God I got my ammo when it was about #0.50 per round

[@user-oy9zy4ds9m]

Just shoot 5.56 thru a 10” barrel ammo is same price and way more powerful and plentiful

[@user-oy9zy4ds9m]

Just shoot 5.56 thru a 10” barrel ammo is same price and way more powerful and plentiful

[@user-oy9zy4ds9m]

Just shoot 5.56 thru a 10” barrel ammo is same price and way more powerful and plentiful

[@lewismitchell5367]

I run .22WMR either Gold Dot or Hornaday Critical Defense in both my NAA and my PMR30. In my rifles I run various CCI depending on the target or game. I find the premium rimfire rounds to be reliable and only have a bit of ignition problems with cheaper ammo in the PMR30 and only a few of those.

[@n8-j722]

Cannot WAIT till you can get some of the REALLY SPICY 5.7 from Elite Ammunition and Vanguard Outfitters.

[@ToolsandTargets]

I doubt I'll ever pay that kinda price just to sling it into gel.

[@Old.Vet.]

Looking forward to the rifel tests. I just got the LC carbine and love shooting it. FN Red tip and Blue tips are available. I've heard of a black tip but that might be military and LE only. My range rounds are standard ball and home defense rounds are the blue tips. With this round gaining popularity, Im hoping to see more testing results from the rifles and pistols. Keep up the good work, enjoy your content.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👍

[@orangecrush5512]

Tools & Targets has become my favorite ammo comparison channel on KZbin at this point. Sharing it everywhere I can. Thanks for what you do, brother.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate that, bigtime!😎👊

[@Papaw58]

Interesting test, I'm really Impressed with the .22 Mag. Looking forward to Part 2 of this test ! Thanks Mr. Tools

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate ya, my friend!

[@connerm4850]

Glad you added clothing to these tests. Crazy that it makes that kinda difference.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👍

[@sakfpv8444]

I can't believe you don't have more subscribers. When I think about getting a new gun, trying a new caliber or trying a new carry self defense round, I go here.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate that, brother.😎👊

[@123gmor]

The 17" penetration of the .22 magnum supports its effectiveness as a self defense pistol. Low recoil and high magazine capacity also affirms its use in that role, especially for those with weak hands or low recoil tolerance.

[@rsbreeze]

I've seen a lot of game killed with .22WMR....... back side of a coyote looks like a tennis ball went through......it'll get the job done! #GoldDot

[@ToolsandTargets]

💥🐺💥

[@rsbreeze]

I should have stated those were mostly rifle shots! Seen a couple badgers and skunks with 6 inch revolver

[@steelpunisher6944]

Great test. I’m looking forward to the rifle test now too. I wonder if they will even out a little more. But I figured the 5.7 would’ve expanded bigger with the extra velocity. It’ll be interesting to see the difference between pistol and rifle lengths. Good stuff as always my friend. 👍🇺🇸

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. The energy numbers from this 5.7 from a pistol are very unimpressive.

[@Old.Vet.]

I think the blue or red ballistic tips would perform better through clothing and in the gel.

[@Tony_Seed]

The 5.7 gets way more damage, speed, and ft lbs Everyone on the comments says meh I’ll stick with my 22mag cause it’s cheaper. Idk if I would be bragging that the only thing that goes into my choice of caliber is that it’s the cheapest.

[@ToolsandTargets]

I think it's more that people see both of them as pretty much niche/specialty kind of rounds that are easily outdone by something like a 9mm for general defensive use. So if you're buying rounds just to plink with, you may as well use the cheaper option.

[@robertwalker8453]

Yes the 5.7 went 4 inches further, but the 22 Mag performed more than adequate- 17 inches with 36% expansion. I know there is always the issue of the reliability of rimfire versus center fire but a lot of the self defense designed rimfire cartridges are more reliable than bulk ammo rimfire. I have fired the Hornady and Gold-Dot 22 WMR in pistols and have not had a misfire. Still can happen I know but with a double action revolver, just pull the trigger again. I think you wouldn’t be under armed with the 22 WMR Gold-Dot. Great test Tools!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👍

[@Joeak74]

Awesome review! Can't wait to see the "Long Tool" comparison. I own tools in both calibers long and short, and I'll have to say that I absolutely LOVE the 22WMR!

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@Nutty.357]

For range fun I would have to go with the 22mag, but as a duty purpose round i would have to say the 5.7 with the extra energy and centerfire reliability! be interesting to see how they do in the rifle for sure! better comparison than i thought. the 22mag held its own! 🎯 👍 Thanks and have a good one! :D

[@ToolsandTargets]

Kinda sad when you look at the numbers from the 5.7 ammo we have access to on the shelves.

[@Nutty.357]

Not a caliber I am usually looking for but I have noticed the FN blue and red box stuff on the shelves and also federal american eagle and yes sir it is $$$$$ on up there for sure! slim pickins kinda like the 30SC lol

[@rwdchannel2901]

Most .22LR and .22 magnum that are high quality I've shot haven't been any less reliable than center fire rounds I've shot. I've actually had more problems with 5.56 and 9mm than my Norma .22LR

[@pistolgrip44mag]

I haven't picked up any of the Gold dots yet, in either caliber. I am looking forward to the rifle tests. Loving my Ruger 57 and my Ruger LC Carbine in 5.7x28. Stay Safe and Stay Free.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@rlevns]

Good video, Wish the 5.7 ammo would come down in price. seems like it has less recoil than the 22 mag in mine. nice to see what they both did in the gel.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@themoose66]

I picked up 500 rounds of the 5.7 speer gold dot for 350 bucks, without gunbroker fees and shipping it was much cheaper

[@haroldhatcher1239]

I like the gold dot projectiles. I prefer the 22mag over the 5.7. Mostly because of the not so good expansion and the expense. I was able to get two boxes of the 22 mag gold dot on line this week. With tax and shipping they were $27 a box. I had to think twice before I ordered them. Thank You for another great video Tools.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate ya, brother. They're $20 locally so about right with the shipping.

[@timg7627]

Excellent content Sir. Keep it up 👏 That .22mag is pretty darn impressive especially out of the short barrel.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Hope you have a great Sunday!

[@darrelkopsa7143]

First I found part 2 , then went to part 1. More interested in handgun, sorry. Since Gold dots are historically explosive I am not surprised by the results. Since not many manufacturers make 5.7 ammo, and nearly all make 22 mag ( at a significant difference in price) I am staying with my PMR 30. Does a good job and won't kill the neighbors!! Good test!!!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👍

[@Tenn-pipes-powder-ponderance]

Wife and I have carried a .22 for years and years. Never have I felt under powered or out gunned. Do larger rounds do more damage ? Sure, but I'm just trying to stop someone from going after another. Great videos

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👍

[@truthhurts7836]

Great test I don't have a 5.7 I do have a couple 22mags. and I enjoy shooting them. Looking forward to the rifle test. Another great video appreciate all that you do,keep them coming 👍.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. I haven't seen anything yet that makes me wanna buy a 5.7 pistol.🤷‍♂️

[@Hammerback0]

Id like to have seen a couple more shot into the gel. With or without the gel dressed up. Carried Gold Dots as duty rounds. Attended two autopsies of which the bad guys had their birth certificates revoked by the .223 Gold Dot and one with a 10mm Gold Dot. I dont mind to go into detail, but, i dont want to hurt anyone's feelings with a graphic description, but the .223 retained 99% of initial weight and performed exactly how you would want it to perform when a bad guy points a weapon at you. 10mm was as impressive. Very nice round. Before that we used hydo-shoks by Federal in the 10 and our bad guys were too skinny, zipped right through em.

[@ToolsandTargets]

I've tested some .223 Gold Dots in gel. After I did, I immediately ordered enough to fill all of my "bump in the night" AR's.

[@dr.yamazuki3658]

I think it would be awesome if you tested out some SPEER GOLD DOT 32 auto. I don’t think ANYONE has done that one yet!

[@ToolsandTargets]

🤔

[@jamieeakin1383]

Cool test! looking forward to the long barrel version.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@tysonc6422]

Nice. Been waiting to see these! Love my rock 5.7. Dang expensive to shoot though.

[@ToolsandTargets]

If I was gonna buy a 5.7 pistol, that Rock would be it.

[@thealarmclock9307]

I like the rock too.. but the ammo so dam high

[@Gun_Talk]

I just got a PSA Rock in 5.7. I'm diggin' it.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👍

[@raybo34]

All your videos are concise and informative. Great for deciding ammo choice. Can't decide on a 5.7 yet.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.

[@Redbird1504]

If you do look at the M&P BUT get the green tip.

[@BrianF.1969]

The 22 Mag did very good especially considering from a hand gun. As everyone has stated the 5.7 is just to expensive of a round, especially if one is going to be doing any sort of practicing with it. Looking forward to the rifle test.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👍

[@kathygates8845]

GREAT SHOOT OUT TOOL ... !!!!! THE PRICE OF THE 5.7 I CANT SEE OWNING ONE... !!!!! THAT AMMO IN $$$$$ THANKS TOOL FOR A GREAT VIDEO ... !!!!!.... .. DOUBLE G. HERE .... !!!!! I LOVE YOU ALWAYS COME UP WITH SOMETHING .... !!!!!! AWESOME ...!!!!!!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you, brother!

[@LuckyDog350X]

I would stick with the .22wmr just simply cause of availability and price. But I am not gonna discount the 5.7 because it does do a respectable job just harder to find and kinda expensive that is what has held me back from fully getting behind it. Have a good one brother see you on the next one.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@richgcoop1842]

Looking forward to seeing more tests on the 57 x28

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👍

[@wildchild4163]

Come to N Dak it was -3 at 9:30 A.M. today . I love it. 2A & N Dak strong.

[@ToolsandTargets]

🥶🥶🥶

[@tommyofthehillpeople]

I like the test a lot. Comparing very different rounds but getting similar results is interesting. I read what others think so here's my 2 cents. For plinking and small game, i choose the 22. For defense, im going with the 5.7. Aside from reliability of a centerfire, the wound channel is what matters to me, even with unimpressive expansion. Velocity and energy just have a way of getting it done. The 22 is still impressive for what it accomplished and would make for a fun, cheap day at the range. Both would be fun trying to extend their range just for dinging steel Great video, Tools. 👍

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👍

[@erictrippe2778]

30 rounds of .22 mag from a PMR30 may leave a pretty good wound channel. :)

[@GunsNGames248]

Yeah me too these people are cheap and just complaining because they don't have a 5.7

[@Adam-nv9zo]

I hit that thumbs up before the videos even start. Awesome video as always brother.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate ya!😎👊

[@bruceshelton5043]

Love them both and would be a great back up to my primary tool

[@Kingblacsnake]

I wonder 💭🤔 if a little bit longer barrel on that wmp would get it closer to velocities 🤷🏿‍♂️ good video as always 🫡

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👍

[@mrsmith8436]

Yea but look at that cost per round. What a difference😉And don’t forget availability of the ammo as well. This is the biggest thing thats kept me from buying a 5.7. Ammo cost and availibility

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yep, I haven't been impressed.

[@kevinchavey8289]

Great vid!!!! I own both of these calibers. Your channel is top notch. Both performed well. For self-defense, I think it is just about a toss-up. Lets see the rifle comparison!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Appreciate that!😎👍

[@NoKidding66]

I have a WMP Walther and really like it. I've shot a bunch of different ammo versions, including ones that Walther doens't recommend because they claim cycling the action isn't consistent. I have had zero issues with cycling the action with any 22 WMR ammo from 36gr to 50gr. Love that pistol. I don't have any gun in 5.7 and probably never will. Just doesn't appeal to me.

[@Pesquisando0b1011]

Very good idea. Your video tests are great!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Appreciate that!😎👊

[@KD-lb9bg]

Very nice comparison, looking forward to part 2, thanks.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Should be uploaded Tuesday afternoon. 😎👍

[@KD-lb9bg]

@@ToolsandTargets 👍🏻

[@bruceshelton5043]

Once again I fully agree with your take on them

[@twominutevideos4950]

Great idea putting black circle aim points on your Jelly.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@salextodd2]

I was more surprised at the inconsistencies in velocity in almost every one of those 10 rounds - especially given the expensive price of Speer rounds and extremely with the 3X cost of the 5.7 Speer rounds! I agree with you that either would get the job done - but, if the rounds you actually put into the gel were the lesser velocities - I could see extreme over-penetration. Seems like the rounds would be loaded more uniformly - in my humble opinion (expressly for the price point(s)). Great test, Tools (but casted doubts on Speer’s reputation)! Thanks (as always) for all you do!! I am curious about your longer barrel 5.7 tests. I have a couple of those tools - still not quite sold on if they qualify for SHTF events.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah, I wasn't really all that impressed with either one of em, but especially the 5.7 for what it is and the cost.

[@timt8029]

I did some barrier penetration tests with both calibers out of semi auto pistols and in that area, there was a noticeable difference. Sheet metal type stuff. There are some exotic 5.7 rounds too that really do some great things and are loaded much hotter. Over 2000 fps from a handgun.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👍

[@scarifrougeone7225]

Great test Tools. Wonderful comparison of these two calibers. .22WMR for me. That Gold Dot .22WMR is good stuff and I also just got 5 boxes and of it just the other day and I’m glad I did now. Great results in the gelly. I like the 5.7 as well but I would like to shoot that stuff out of a carbine, maybe like the new Ruger LC. Yes cannot wait to see the rifles test! Be safe. ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👍

[@doylethorn9251]

I understand the reaction with comparing the 5.7 to the .22 WMR. Just remember, the 5.7 is highly neutered in the civilian market. The 5.7 28gr Black Tip that is Military and Law Enforcement only, is a devastating round. It penetrates all soft body armor out to 50 meters in the pistol and out to 100 meters in the carbine. The bullet starts tumbling within 2 inches of penetration with or without body armor. If is wasn't such a long drive from south central Texas, I would bring my tools and ammo for you to test.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah, that's pretty much my whole point with 5.7. It reminds me of 10mm like that. Most people will never see any kind of potential from a 5.7, because they buy the garbage ammo that's on the shelves. It's a complete waste if it's not used like it was designed to be, From a sub-gun with proper ammo.

[@dubltap7216]

I have 5 22wmr's. Always wanted a 5.7 but because of price ammo I never bought one. I actually thought the 5.7 would be much more powerful. Glad you did this, I will probably not buy one now.

[@ToolsandTargets]

You know it's a lot of hype when all the fans can fall back to is "BuT It CaN PeNeTrate SoFt ArMoR."😆

[@1776adb]

Which one makes a better target round.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Whichever one you got.🤷‍♂️

[@edeldridge36]

Would be interesting to see a test with the 5.7 loaded with the same bullets that are loaded in the 22 Mag. 🎯🎯

[@ToolsandTargets]

Hmmm, wonder if i could pull that off in my secret laboratory!💥👨‍🔬💥

[@michaelegert1284]

Those 5.7mm are realy nasty screeming fast rounds. Would like to see what defiant is capable of to make out of this small round

[@66block84]

I need to get some Mcarbo steel ramps for my PMR-30 & CMR-30. The PMR has a lot of FTF in the first 10 rounds or so. The CMR runs very well, but a steel feed ramp can't hurt.

[@ToolsandTargets]

This CMR 30 has been flawless. I'd hate to change anything and have it start acting up.😆😆😆

[@travisstorbakken1737]

I have a 5.7 because its only money and it appears that it doesn't make sense to many people 😂. I just love firearms...... all of them. Golf doesn't make sense to me but i dont see anyone getting their panties in a bunch over that.. I have a .22 mag rifle and will someday pick up a pistol chambered in .22 mag also. Just because.... its only money and i cant spend it when im dead.

[@ToolsandTargets]

I don't think it's the fact that 5.7 exists that bothers anyone. It's more to do with the goofy rabid fanboys who spew nonsense like the round could take down a fleet of battleships with a single mag.

[@travisstorbakken1737]

@@ToolsandTargets 😂

[@travisstorbakken1737]

@@ToolsandTargets I thought it looked cool. 😂 when I started looking into rounds..... there is always one better depending situation/use. There is no one round perfect for everything. So I figure.... get them all! Lol

[@CookieMonster_1969]

I have the WMP and there does not appear to be much of reason to get into the 5.7mm just yet. The 22 magnum is already more than 9mm🤷‍♂️ and the WMP is a range tool mostly. I may be leaving the WMP for my mom to use for home defense when I am not home, she has never shot more than a 22🤷‍♂️ so it should be better than nothing and controlable for her.

[@ROE675]

I carry a NAA mini revolver as a back up with Speer Gold Dot 22 mag. Would be interesting to see speed and performance out of the 1 1/8" barrel.

[@miker9043]

Another outstanding test from Tools !! my vote goes to the 22 mag , I have a pmr 30 and love it ! its not my edc but if things go south having a couple 30 round clips sure helps the peace o mind !! plus mine shoots 3 inch groups at 30 yards !!

[@ToolsandTargets]

30 rounds of .22mag would definitely solve a problem.

[@chrisstrefling6193]

Hate to say it but I give you a thumbs-up before I even watch the video. Thanks Tools for doing what you do! U do a damn fine job!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Really do appreciate that, brother!😎👊

[@c.miller3802]

Great video , love the 22 magnum. Cant afford the 5.7 ammo

[@connor84128able]

5.7 excels when put up to level 3A armor with that gold dot ammo!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Not a chance out of this pistol.

[@boondogger]

Nice test buddy stayin with my 22 mag waitin for the rifle test just picked up a rifle in 22 mag Have you ever tested the Hornady Critical defense in 22 mag ? Have a good day!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Not sure if I have. I haven't done a lot of .22 mag rifle tests.🤔

[@rjw261984]

Pretty lack luster performance from the 5.7. Thanks again Tools. 🇺🇸

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah, not a lot of power behind these things.

[@timshelley8635]

Great test! Impressed with both. They both have goods and bads. 22 mag is more plentiful and cheaper, 5.7 is a little hotter and better and is more reliable, being a center fire. Look forward to the rifle test.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👍

[@brandonm9236]

I wish 57 was more common and affordable. I would love to have one of the ar57 uppers. Great video. interesting information learned. Maybe a company should make a cool ppc in 22mag. Just not keltec...even tho they would be the only ones to come out with something cool....mabey like a mp7... but in a real smg style

[@ToolsandTargets]

Definitely too expensive to have a lot of fun with.

[@johngrunwell]

Good video, but for first time I’m not quite with you. For the Cost not only the round but the platforms I’ll go with the .22, hands down. Possibly a clear gell test might be tell a diff story, but that small HP opening doesn’t set well with me, despite the power diff between the two.

[@ToolsandTargets]

It definitely wasn't anything impressive.😎👍

[@jamesmikesell5458]

I don't know much about the 5.7 . But I am a very big fan of the 22 mag. I do use the gold dot in my naa and Kel TEC I would like to see the rifle test

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👍

[@knife_knut]

Great review - looking forward to the rifle testing! (And where’s that damn pawn shop 20 gauge?!?! 🤷‍♂️🤣

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. It had to get in line. I got a couple other new tools I haven't done videos on yet too.😆

[@knife_knut]

@@ToolsandTargets Lol. Carry on Sir! You can only do so much at a time. Just teasing you. Keep up the great work!

[@Swampytheroot]

I've bought scads of Gold Dot 22mag for others. Never fired one round myself. Just got interested in 5.7 Jury is out.

[@ToolsandTargets]

It works but is really just another "cool kid" round to me.

[@OhioGentlemenArms]

Interesting results. I’ve been curious of this comparison

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👍

[@TTiger86268]

Psa has the 57 rock with red dot for $600, personally ammo cost is ridiculous. Big thing with the 5.7 was the idea it went thru soft armor

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah, I saw some good deals on those. If I were in the market for a 5.7 pistol, that's probably the one I would go for. I just don't really have any desire to have one.

[@anthonyguidas2012]

I’ve always been a fan of the Gold Dot 22 magnum, it’s what I keep in my NAA BLACK WIDOW 👍

[@ToolsandTargets]

Great for short barrels.😎👍

[@chrisgabbert658]

👍😊🎯 the 5.7 is better but to pricey for me. Looking forward to the rifle testing.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yep.😎👍

[@scottodonahoe9505]

👍 Kind of partial to my WMP so am going to recuse my self from voting !

[@ToolsandTargets]

😂😂😂

[@chretired]

Interesting test Tools. I'm not a 5.7 fan, mainly because of cost $. For all the velocity advantage I expected more from that round. From what I've seen of the 5.7 it's fast but it's performance doesn't equal the speed or cost. I'll wait for the long gun test to make my final decision on the . 57. From what I'm seeing I'll take the . 22 mag or .17. I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees. Be aware and always be safe.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah without the right ammo, which most people don't have reasonable access to, the 5.7 isn't very impressive.

[@erictrippe2778]

Ask the soldiers at Fort Hood how effective 5.7x28 is...

[@Schwarzvogel1]

@@erictrippe2778 Pretty much all of those victims were unarmed and many were caught by surprise by the perp, though. I've noticed that 5.7x28mm fanboys always seem to cite the Ford Hood shooting as an endorsement of their favorite caliber. Think about that a bit--the ONLY verifiable actual usage case of that caliber being effective is a horrific case of mass murder and treason. The folks (i.e. military and LE) who have had to use 5.7x28mm against genuine armed, aggressive, and uncooperative threats have never had anything good to say about its effectiveness. And mind you, *they* have access to both select-fire platforms and the spicier AP loads that we normal plebs cannot get our grubby mitts on. Because "shall not be infringed" means diddly squat to the current crop of rich, elderly parasites who have dominated Congress for generations. But I digress. If you have access to a select-fire submachine gun and have genuine reason to worry about threats wearing pistol-rated soft armor, then 5.7x28mm makes some sense, but even then, not much, as even M193 out of a 10.3" barrel will still zip right through their armor whilst also delivering much more energy to the target. And it is much cheaper too, although if you're shooting 5.56x45mm for defensive purposes out of a short barrel, you can definitely do a lot better than M193! I use M193 as training ammo as it's cheap, but but the fact that my training ammo performs better than $3.50 per cartridge boutique 5.7x28mm loads doesn't speak well of 5.7x28mm. If 5.7 were as cheap as .22 Magnum, I'd be all over it like gravy on meatloaf, but sadly, even the AE 40 gr load (intended as training/target ammo) is *more* expensive than nearly every commercially available 5.7x28mm load. And most people are interested in 5.7x28mm as a handgun round, not for carbines.

[@erictrippe2778]

@@Schwarzvogel1 I agree with you. 5.7x28 is awesome!

[@tobylopez445]

over penetration will always be a problem with the backstop especially if it is other people. very nice video as always. be safe and god bless you and your family.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👍

[@robertwess4556]

Another great ammo test I still like the 22mag works for me

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Appreciate ya!😎👊

[@yuvgotubekidding]

Wow, there’s a lot here to consider. While the results appear to be similar, the differences between the two, cost and dependability is up in the air. First would I rely on a rimfire round for self defense. Second would I pay extra cash for a 5.7 round that is moderately better. No and no. Great test 👍🇺🇸👊

[@ToolsandTargets]

Agree in both cases.😎👍

[@Drknow-mx1fj]

I love my ruger 5.7 Havnt tried them there gold dots only American eagle and the dragon

[@ToolsandTargets]

I'd probably run these over the other off the shelf stuff but nothing very impressive.

[@KevC1111]

I love the smell of spent gunpowder and fresh gel blocks. 👊👍

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yessir!😎👊

[@gunman-6646]

That was surprising to me. Very nice video!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@Backwoods-Bob]

Looks like the 5.7 would make an impressive 25 Stevens rimless center fire. Or maybe a 25ACP magnum.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😆😆😆 5.7 fanboys just gave you a serious stink-eye!😆😆😆

[@grahamohea2424]

Double red arrows were a nice touch

[@ToolsandTargets]

Arrowpalooza!😎👍

[@semichiganandy2127]

I like the reliability of center fire and the greater energy. But for any defensive application, I'm sticking with my 9mm or (for some clothing) the pocket .380. If the cost of the 5.7 goes down and the selection of tools and ammo goes up, then it might become a choice. The .22 Mag is a nice round, but for the range,22 lr is cheaper and for defense 9 mm is more effective.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Absolutely agree. You can easily exceed the energy here with a good 9mm.

[@lazybear236]

I agree, but for those with recoil sensitivity and little willingness to practice 22 Mag is great. Even though I shoot 9mm a lot, I still shoot 22 Mag more accurately under 15 yards despite rarely bringing it out.

[@semichiganandy2127]

@@lazybear236 Yeah, you're right.. I didn't want to make my response too long, but I also have a .380 EZ because arthritis is starting to show up in some of my joints. I bought it in anticipation of needing it and of the possibility of it becoming hard to buy in the future for political reasons. I've kept my eyes out for a good .22 mag at a good price for the same reasons.

[@jedediahsibley3355]

I am a bit confused about the 5.7 not cycling that first shot? I'm a fan of walther and 22mag, it's a tough call ??? Centerfire, rimfire?? I gotta go with the 22mag!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Not sure about that one. Gun was a little dirty but I have heard people in the past mention having trouble with it cycling. That was the only time it did.🤷‍♂️

[@terrell48]

Love my 22 mags, I don’t have a 5.7 and feel better suited for a carbine but the 22 mag in a carbine better too

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah, this 5.7 was made for a sub-gun. I think it's a waste from a pistol.

[@greasyweezel9540]

Always good info T - yes long barrel por favor

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Coming soon.😎👍

[@MA-lq6eb]

💥😎Good Vid!👍🇺🇸 But don't u think a better comparison would be 5.7 vs 22TCM??🤔

[@ToolsandTargets]

Don't have anything in TCM. That's an even more niche round than this stuff.😆

[@MA-lq6eb]

@@ToolsandTargets I feel u brother...but it's actually made to fit in a standard 1911 Government mag & u can get a barrel swap out for it on ur specific 1911, if it's available (RIA is big on several budget 1911s that come with a 45acp & 22tcm barrels). It's also not that hard to find the ammo either, if u check out AmmoSeek!😎👍

[@alleyb62]

Would love to see this test using Federal Punch .22 wmr. Thanks for the video.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@IbanezGuitarz87]

Love my five seven!

[@TheAxe4Ever]

Not bad, but I was hoping for a bit more performance. I suspect the rifle test will be a bit better. By the way, I ordered a couple sets of the Axil GS Extreme 2.0 for me and my wife using the link you provided. They are awesome!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Agreed, I was hoping for a little more from these. Nice! I love the Axils. Could not go without em now.😎👍

[@YellowHammer26]

👍👍nice test, 5.7 is really expensive.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yes it is

[@rwdchannel2901]

I think another thing to take into consideration is if you're conceal carrying because the .22 magnum is thinner making it more comfortable to carry. With the other round I'd rather just skip it and go to a .380 acp or 9mm.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Agreed. You can also easily beat the energy from this 5.7 with a good 9mm.

[@123gmor]

The price difference of 5.7 and .22 magnum ammo is great, but so is the cost of the pistols. A Kel-Tec PMR 30 for under $400 with 30 round capacity is hard to beat in my opinion. The FN 5.7 pistol is about $1100-1200 plus ammo that is almost $1 per round is a deal breaker for me!

[@raymondlivingston4217]

i would like for you test the AAC 9mm 115 & 124 grain XTP JHP to see if it would be good for defensive rounds

[@ToolsandTargets]

I'll see what I can come up with.😎👍

[@randlerichardson5826]

I expected more myself Chigg that little test to I’ll BRB

[@ToolsandTargets]

Agreed