5 Lies Theists Tell About Atheists

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Many theists believe and tell several lies about atheists, sometimes out of ignorance, and sometimes out of malice. Five of the lies I tackle here are that atheists lose faith because of hardship, atheists who deconverted were never true believers, atheists have never studied X religion, there are no atheists in foxholes, and that atheists secretly believe in god. Religious media loves to propagate all these falsehoods (I'm looking at you Pureflix's God's Not Dead and CBS' God Friended Me). For those believers who will listen, it only takes 10 minutes with a calm, friendly atheist to explain why all of these statements are false. That's why I'm here.
These false statements confuse a lot of people about why atheists don't believe in god, whether atheists can be good people, or if atheists are educated about religion. To further the conversation, we've got to put these to bed.
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[@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic]

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[@mattressmccabe1686]

Thanks, I don't want cancer at the end of the year

[@OvPdTurtle]

Thank you for not using TikTok memes

[@ImperfectlyLaura]

Yes, thank you. I have lost respect for a lot of other YT for subjecting me to Tik Tok memes in recent videos. I cannot be the only one who finds that app to be creepier than Snapchat was when it first came out.

[@krillin6]

Hit or miss

[@wellingtonsmith4998]

I donated, more than once. thanks for supporting this wonderful group.

[@iansaxby9264]

I always walk a mile in someone else's shoes before judging them. That way, I'm a mile away when I judge them, and I have their shoes.

[@iansaxby9264]

@@strangelyukrainian7314 It's an old, old joke. Heard it from my dad in 1978, and I've no idea where he first heard it.

[@zeebo3479]

@@strangelyukrainian7314 why does it matter? It's a funny joke

[@viktorthevictor6240]

@@iansaxby9264 How about another joke Jerr-ay?

[@iansaxby9264]

@@viktorthevictor6240 I always leave 'em wanting more. First rule of comedy.

[@CaptainQuo]

@@strangelyukrainian7314 Billy Connolly

[@kukalakana]

"Why do you hate Harry Potter?" "I don't. I just don't think he's real." "No. You have to believe in something. So why do you hate Harry Potter?"

[@belcarra]

Anthony Delfos lol, you don’t get it?

[@ajpj4057]

R/wooosh

[@belcarra]

Future Noob Me or him?

[@ajpj4057]

@@belcarra Anthony Delfos

[@RobinZur]

@@ajpj4057 r/ihavereddit

[@saucevc8353]

"How can you hate God if you think God is fictional?" I hate Dolores Umbridge and she's fictional.

[@serpentinewolf7085]

Same bro same.

[@Schnort]

Unrelated, but dolores means pain in Spanish, I believe.

[@aloedg8058]

@@Schnort more like pains

[@bigpapamagoo8696]

Precisely. I don’t literally hate god, I just hate the idea of an all-powerful tyrant damning the innocent to hell.

[@bergoh6318]

Atheist don't believe god. We don't condemn god. In fact, i respect all religions. Please make fact right. I have a curtain level of few major religions. We dont hate. You are the one that feel we hate god!

[@OzCroc]

Christian: "Atheist are immoral!" Also Christian: *Believe that innocent people suffering for eternity is moral*

[@alextunneyware]

Also Christian: *Hating on people and indoctrinating them for their viewpoints on religion as well as their sexual preferences*

[@rayolight9744]

If your innocent what are you worried about.God keeps the innocent people safe, Do unto others as you would have done to yourself. SIMPLE

[@alextunneyware]

@@rayolight9744 if a cop pulls you over for seemingly no reason and starts asking questions about weapons and drugs that you had nothing to do with, you're still gonna be worried

[@rayolight9744]

@@alextunneyware Not worried God knows I don't need weapons or drugs ,so what are you implying.

[@alextunneyware]

@@rayolight9744 I'm not implying anything, just saying any sane person would be somewhat worried in uncomfortable situations

[@jackdog06]

“Atheists have no moral values” Dude, if the only thing keeping you moral is the thought of punishment from a God, that says a lot more about you than me.

[@eliasjakemoran6434]

Exactly

[@curiousnerdkitteh]

Also if anything the idea that you can just ask forgiveness no matter what you do and have it be the same as if you did nothing does not incentivise true efforts to try when it gets really hard and you're demotivated. The only loophole is you gotta not die in between committing the sin and asking forgiveness/being truly sorry after. Or maybe you can. Christians disagree on this.

[@ArcanumArcanorum17]

Imo Christianity is more of a cult than islam

[@eliasjakemoran6434]

@@ArcanumArcanorum17 Eh, both are equally so.

[@a-k-mosa]

@@eliasjakemoran6434 I don't know about Christianity , but what makes you think that Islam is a cult ?

[@theunclecappy4846]

"You believed in Santa but no longer believe in Santa? You never believed in Santa."

[@scycosnake3964]

Thats why eternal security is false, that doesnt mean God is, the bible never says anything about eternal security

[@scycosnake3964]

@Lance Gin your point?

[@ieditfornoreason8523]

@@scycosnake3964 the bible states eternal security

[@scycosnake3964]

@@ieditfornoreason8523 Give me an example that it does then. So many people misinterpret verses, the bible never supports eternal security. Ive heard such stupid crap such as, well being saved is like being born again, and you cant be unborn so you cant be unsaved. Thats absolute bs. No one can ever pluck me from his hand. That means no one can take your salvation away, but YOU can make the choice to fall away.

[@allistairkumaran3582]

@@scycosnake3964 he gave you an example and you did the typical lazy theist move and claimed it was a misrepresentation even though he quoted the verse. The bible is flawed and full of contradiction, anyone that chooses to live their life dedicated to it has wasted their life. Why are you guys so dishonest?

[@icel8828]

I saw this post on a social media (don’t remember which) It said “So Christians read the Bible to get closer to god, atheists, what do YOU read to further intensify your non belief?” Someone just simply replied with “the same. Actually”

[@eliasjakemoran6434]

YOOOOOOOO Genius!! So true

[@makaibrown1653]

your dnd modifier is intelligence 20(+5) lol

[@dawidek4267]

why are people so rude to us just becausr we believe i n God???? Fuck off rudie

[@makaibrown1653]

@@dawidek4267 dude its a joke

[@icel8828]

@@dawidek4267 it’s a joke

[@jamesdean9183]

The biggest one I've heard is "the only goal of scientists is to disprove the word of God." That's the one I hear the most and it's so victimizing and self-centered that it makes me cringe

[@eliasjakemoran6434]

Indeed, so stupid

[@78anurag]

Who said that? I have learnt how to get away with war crimes. I have my flamethrower ready.

[@Nai_101]

@@78anurag i'll join you with my panzerfaust

[@CainLatrani]

I've heard that one so much, and I'm exhausted with proving it wrong.

[@eliasjakemoran6434]

@@CainLatrani Same..

[@natalieeuley1734]

When you realize the Adam and Eve story is literally saying that seeking knowledge is turning against God's wishes, it's hard to stay a Christian.

[@lukasmakarios4998]

Natalie Euley - The story of the Fall is a parable, with many layers of meaning. And that one is not really the point. We all have to go through that phase, in order to return later as mature persons. And we usually get in trouble in the meantime. That is why we are offered forgiveness and grace. God knew that would happen when he gave us the stupid "command." It was part of the plan, which would eventually lead to the defeat of evil and saving those who would choose to love.

[@thomasandersen9310]

@@lukasmakarios4998 Whatever I do, it has always been a part of God's plan. That is easy to live by as it does not constrain me in any way as far as God is concerned.

[@off6848]

Knowledge of good & evil it’s more specific than just knowledge Once you KNOW what evil/bad is you can premeditate it and “be ye like Gods” Atheists have the most shallow understanding of religion because a lack of active metaphysics

[@dougroyce5784]

Why would God not want us to become like him? I thought that was the point.🤔 How could humans become like God just by knowing of good and evil? @@off6848

[@wickedlee664]

Im an atheist but scientists HAVE lead mankind down a amoral meaningless path at times. We are not all scientists. You are a human being who runs on stories. Good luck out there kid.

[@akirasaito1551]

Oh you're an adult now? *You were never a true child*

[@apolloandwarrior_3229]

You never had a childhood if you didn't get vaccinated

[@anchorthesun3438]

Sick false equivalency bro

[@Doctor_Straing_Strange]

Exactly😂🤣

[@pgottsha84]

I don't get it

[@thotpatrol9819]

@@apolloandwarrior_3229 no, they never got old if they didn't get vaccinated

[@ren9389]

Fun fact: the first reason I started to loose religion was the fact that the priest dude couldn't tell me where the dinosaurs were in the Bible. I had only one choice, dinosaurs or Jesus. And hell yeah I chose dinosaurs. Edit: I think some of y'all took this way to seriously.

[@theteaperson1998]

Dinosaurs are Cool as hell

[@gillifish]

YES

[@ren9389]

@@jsob_fl1171 Dinosaurs went extinct 77 million years ago, humans have only existed for 7 million.

[@ren9389]

@@jsob_fl1171 because dinosaurs existed? I'm not sure what you are trying to say.

[@ren9389]

@@jsob_fl1171 good for you I guess? The Bible contradicts science but if you'd like to think about it in whatever way you'd like to then go for it.

[@mark7166]

Definitely hate that "somebody must've hurt you for you to turn your back on God" argument. Nope, I literally thought my way out of my faith. That's all there was to it.

[@eliasjakemoran6434]

Man.. and some people just didn't even grow up religious! It's an interesting assumption to be sure

[@hildebos1653]

Or the feeling they give you that you actively abandonded God and the church and are a heathen. No mom, I just can't believe in God anymore. It feels like I've been watching a magician performing an act all my life and like I recently found out it's all just a trick. You can't blame someone for not believing in something they perceive as a trick. You can't expect people to come back to faith once they've seen how it works. I didn't actively wake up one morning and think: 'Ha, I believe God exists, but I'ma turn my back on him! Let's see how he and my parents will like that!' No, to many people losing faith is just something that happens to them when they start to actually think about things and when they start to see the logic behind not believing in a God. Damnit mom, stop trying to blame me or guilt trip me by saying 'what has God ever done to you that you turn your back on him'. Damn. Sorry for this rant, but I could just really relate to your post, haha.

[@mark7166]

@@hildebos1653 Haha pretty much, yep. Once that rabbit is out of the hat, it ain't goin' back in.

[@hildebos1653]

Exactly haha

[@ChristianF15cher]

Lots of people. Most of them were Christians.

[@awkwardukulele6077]

Succinctly: atheists aren’t mad at your OC, we just don’t like your fandom.

[@rorybranos]

Not an OC. It has become canon in the manga now.

[@dnfi5480]

I wish I could like this 1000 times :)

[@awkwardukulele6077]

DN FI the one like is enough for me, but I appreciate the sentiment!😋

[@arlaratman862]

GregBR I actually have a manga of the story of Jesus from when I was a Christian lmao

[@hieunguyenba7224]

If the Bible is a book then Jesus is a marry sue

[@farmersboy]

I was born an atheist, just like everyone else was, and fortunately I never caught religion.

[@AstroLaVista]

Me too. I'm so pleased :)

[@shadowofthehitokiri5787]

Me too.

[@farmersboy]

It used to get me in trouble at primary school, not bowing my head during prayers in assembly or singing stupid hymns. They couldn't quite cope with an 8-year-old explaining atheism to them.

[@tweakypoppy]

I wish I never caught religion. Although religion never made me happy.

[@redeemedone8553]

@@tweakypoppy- You must not know Jesus. The joy of the Lord is my strength.

[@vashna3799]

The religious love to say “atheists don’t believe in anything “, well we do actually, it’s called Reality.

[@eliasjakemoran6434]

OHHHHHHH Genius 👌

[@georgejob7544]

I believe in logic, empiricism, and refute fantasy and fairy tales! Q? Did Adam have a navel ? He had a rib removed to form a woman ? Noah and his ark held all the animals during the flood??? Moses crosses the Red Sea?? Where,s the empirical evidence??? Blind faith or indoctrination and fear!

[@vashna3799]

@@georgejob7544 since when do the religious care about “evidence “?

[@eliasjakemoran6434]

@@vashna3799 Lol, true

[@Nai_101]

I believe in the universe and science.

[@nathanwolf4633]

the bible: "do not judge" christians: *this sign doesnt stop me because i cant read*

[@nathanwolf4633]

bruh

[@goldh2o543]

I don't want to start a fight, but the Bible does not say not to judge. It says that before you judge, you need to recognize your own shortcomings. Don't remember exactly where it is, but the verse says: " do not tell your neighbor to pull a speck of dust out of his eye, when there is a log in your own."

[@goldh2o543]

Also, an add on. Many christians unfortunately do not pull the log out of their own eye first.

[@wolf1066]

@@goldh2o543 I've certainly been judged about the mote in my eye by Christians who had yet to remove the beam from their own. Generally, I respond - biblically - by _judging them as they judge me_ since they clearly (as Christians) are doing unto me as they would have me do unto them...

[@goldh2o543]

@@wolf1066 it's good to call out hypocrisy

[@theteddy906]

I was Christian during the worst part of my depression and part of what helped me heal was letting go of my concern about what sky daddy thought of me.

[@BT3701]

Sounds like you believe a sky daddy actually exists

[@rigorride]

Letting go is sooo liberating!! Dumping the superstitious fairy tales and getting REAL help. Depression: Been through it, and hoping you're through (with) it also

[@kisikisikisi]

That's good to hear. I've been very depressed(much less now, but I'm not completely ok yet), and while I've always been atheist and there is not one theist bone in my body, I've multiple times thought about how much easier it would be to believe that life has meaning through a god. I believe in nothing, and am a bit of a trope in that it makes me question the meaning of life and makes me feel a bit lost. Still would never believe in a fairytale that's ruining the lives of millions though lol

[@rigorride]

@@kisikisikisi My recovery from depression took years. One of of the key changes I made was to reduce the expectations (stress) I allowed myself and others to place on me. There is much comfort in the (man made) fables of religion, but they fail the test of what is true, what is reality. Keep searching, keep being sceptical. In time you will find peace.

[@kisikisikisi]

@@rigorride Thank you. My depression is the product of just that, high expectations and stress. Being a star student in HS and quickly realizing that university is very different from that snowballed into me questioning my very existence. It luckily never has had any religious undertones other than thoughts about how religious people at least have a sense of purpose, regardless of how ignorant of reality they are. The road to recovery is long, but I have come far and the bad days are few and far between nowadays :)

[@miranda.cooper]

If anyone ever comes up to me and asks me why I hate God I'll be like this: "I don't hate your god because I don't believe he exists. I do hate it when you try to assert authority over me using your god as an excuse."

[@ombricshalazar3869]

trick: if they ask you why you hate God or whatever, reply in a different language)

[@bartholomulesphensvil2284]

I dont believe god exists, but I hate him due to the cruelty Abrahamic religions have historically done

[@bartholomulesphensvil2284]

wallace decure you misunderstood what I meant. I meant more so that I hate God as a symbol and justification for the cruel actions of these religions. Sorry, I didn't really make that clear in my initial reply

[@caroljo420]

Exactly.

[@dan.j.boydzkreationz]

I've had theists ask this brutalist question

[@Jameslee-rj3td]

My sister is a Christian but she’s actually super open minded and understanding about my beliefs. She actually listens to what I have to say

[@berberrb-3754]

You're blessed ^_^

[@eliasjakemoran6434]

Very good! Wholesome 💜

[@hiddendraco2607]

Yeah, same but with my cousin, well one of them, my one cousin is Christian as far as I know but she understands and respects me and my reasons for being atheist regardless, my other cousin however told me I'd burn in hell for not believing in god so...

[@alaric_]

As a finnish, i find this concept of "war" between theists and atheists weird. I grew up with atheist father and lutheran mother, father would drink and be verbally abusive towards my mother but very little towards me. Despite being atheist i had to defend my mother in the arguments which kind of made me grow up in the middle. Sidenote: finnish lutheran religious is really low-key sect of christianity in comparison with other christian groups, afaik. Converting other people, in any way, is highly frowned upon. You have your religion and you keep it to yourself. Skip 20+ years forward and i'm still in great relationship with my mother and she knows i'm not religious. She and her new husband say prair before eating (which is *extremely* rare in Finland, even in religious families), i stop what i'm doing and allow them their prair in peace. No big deal. 5 years ago, we went as a family to across-drive in motor home to europe, two atheist brothers, mother and father-in-law. More than a month crammed up in a small space and we had no arguments. We all knew where stood and we all respected that. Neither side tried convert or prod about the issue and it was one amazing trip. We enjoyed the trip as humans and not as humans with differing beliefs. All in all, finnish are 'religious' but more in the traditional way. My siblings do religious things like attend church in special hollidays and such but otherwise they behave like atheists. For them, evolution is a fact as it was taught in secular government paid school and believing in the "new earth" theory is just absurd and alien. I know 5 seriously religious people (what US person could call religious) and all of them are in my family. So the future is looking very atheist in Finland. Yey :) Or low-key lutheran 'mind your own business' style with which im fine with. Who am i to judge as long as no one is getting hurt!

[@eliasjakemoran6434]

@@alaric_ Fascinating story, glad to see you came out smart and have a good look on the matter

[@jennifer7685]

i was 6 when i figured it out. my cat died and my parents told me cats don't go to heaven, and i started questioning what could heaven be if it didn't have the ones we loved? (i was a kid). then i started thinking about damnation, and how could you possibly punish people for faults that correlate with poverty? (we were poor, and so was everyone i knew). these were my thoughts as a child, but everything since then has built on the foundation that these things cannot reconcile.

[@kathryngeeslin9509]

With you there. I'm 72, and most of my loved ones have been cats, several dogs, a few humans and others. Though that wasn't pushed in my childhood church, there is so much blood sacrifice for a "good" god who loves the smell of burning flesh and so much punishment to the umpteenth generation and all animals cursed for two humans' disobedience. Life isn't fair, and neither is Yahweh.

[@MJacksonXenos]

I was about 10 when I figured it out. Just a few years after everyone figured out Santa Claus and the Easter bunny. I just extended the same thought process.

[@hiddendraco2607]

I swear if Christianity is somehow true and my pets aren't in heaven I'm gonna willingly walk down to hell while flipping god off

[@78anurag]

@@MJacksonXenos I was 8

[@bootyclap69k]

I think I was about 6-8, probably the main reason I stopped believing is because I saw what was happening in the world and I just thought “if all this is happening and god could stop it, why doesn’t he?” Also my dog got kidnapped and I prayed to god and guess what happened? Nothing.

[@johncochran8497]

Q: Are you Born Again? A: Nope, my mother got it right the first time.

[@shots2]

I was asked that one time in a elevator by some holy rollers.. told them I have not died yet how can I be reborn .... I was s16 at the time... really shut them up it did.

[@kikit7262]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@0x777]

OMG, please grant me right of use for that one, I need to use that one!

[@demipuff1416]

Why should I be reborn again when I shouldn't have been born in the first place?

[@caleboop1814]

Great disrespectful joke.

[@stamatisvolanis8482]

The statement "if you quit a religion, you were not really religious" hides a terrible meaning. The word "really", can be justifiably replaced with "fanatically". Only fanatics and zealots do not change their ways no matter the arguments, no matter the proof, no matter the hypocrisy or corruption that plagues the group that they fanatically favor, no matter what. Religious fanatics will never change their ideas because subconsciously they are fearful that their very lives will collapse or be meaningless if their ideas are false. If someone is vulnerable, it's not atheists, it is them. Atheists will not kill you because God will not smite them, for man has an inherent repulsion towards murder. Secondly, atheists are not immoral. We derive our morals from simple ideas, philosophy, experience.

[@xhobispritex7552]

I always see this argument and it’s getting tiring. I agree with you.

[@sandran17]

It's your religion or lack of one. Nobody else's.

[@spicylemon7475]

YO THIS MAN SPITTIN’

[@S_Miclemie]

I literally memorised the whole Quran word by word, you can’t get more religious than that

[@grahamwatson2031]

I refuse to be defined by my lack of someone else’s beliefs.

[@eliasjakemoran6434]

Same here!

[@arthur_the_k]

Ok, that phrase goes hard, ngl

[@janicewallace3728]

I realized recently that I have been an atheist my entire life though I called myself agnostic, I think because I was trying to be diplomatic. I'm 51 now. Even when I was little, I couldn't figure out why people wouldn't take responsibility for their own behavior and actions. Religion just confused me. My own father screamed at me when I told him about my atheism about 10 years ago. He declared, "if you know who God is then you believe in him! Ha!" And then walked away. Listening is a skill that a lot of people just don't have.

[@Busta4Life]

The reason why I didn't tell my parents about my atheism yet is because of stuff like this, My parents are both religious and opening up to them about my atheism means that I'll be serving at our local church. Or worse. I'd probably get kicked out of our household. I'm 16 right now, By the way.

[@yachishairclips2250]

@@Busta4Life hang in there... Once, you are out of your parents grasp.. You can be you

[@Busta4Life]

@@yachishairclips2250 that's what I've been doing for the past 2 years. i think I'll be ok. thx for the advice thp.

[@rarol1103]

“If you know who God is then you believe in him!” I know what Cthulhu, Mario, and Pikachu is, which instantly means I believe in them!!!!!

[@jaapuitroepteke2750]

“If you know who god is you believe in him” his own uncertainty is right in that sentence. If he was sure god existed he’d have said “if you know who god is you know he’s real”. Such a shame how religion to this day is still the cause of conflict between family members.

[@Shitsthebed]

I had a conversation with a female American evangelist recently, she told me she hated gays because everyone knows that they eat babies. My sarcastic reply was, your so wrong, everyone knows that its atheists like me who eat babies, every Sunday on the grill, the look on her face was priceless.

[@MrEazyE357]

I don't believe you... like at all.

[@samanthaw3845]

@Danny Stowers You'd think that, but I met an elderly Christian lady in rural Arkansas who legitimately believed that Hillary Clinton "looked young" because she had murdered a girl and wore her face as a mask. She heard about it from InfoWars.

[@gn8272]

And then everyone clapped?

[@formerhunter2]

Everyone replying like Christians in the developed world aren't currently going through a statistically higher rate of health concerns ranging in cause from simple age to genetic defects from incestuous relations. (looking at you, Alabama) . As someone who was raised in a moderate Christian household, but had a lot of contact with other denominations? I'd buy it. People believe some crazy shit when they turn their brain off.

[@aurum5336]

There are a lot of dumb sheep in the world. This is exactly why religions were created.

[@SuperSuperspoof]

1) "Atheists lose faith because of hardship." 4) "There are no atheists in foxholes."

[@beta511ee4]

What is the meaning of that second phrase?

[@rainpooper7088]

@@beta511ee4 That soldiers who are about to die in battle will always turn to God because of the hardships they face in war. So yeah, which is it?

[@beta511ee4]

@@rainpooper7088 What are foxholes? Are they metaphorical?

[@DAB2640]

Foxholes are literally holes in the ground, dug by soldiers to protect themselves from enemy fire or artillery shell fragments. The concept is, if you are afraid of dying, and death is possible or even likely to occur, you will start praying.

[@beta511ee4]

@@DAB2640 Are the foxholes metaphorically meant to be shields against Hell?

[@knightmovesinanl8078]

I lost my faith when I was forced to sing "Christian" songs in school such as "every step I take in god" and "ain't no mountain high enough to keep me from my god"

[@eliasjakemoran6434]

Oof, I feel that

[@hiddendraco2607]

I always loved seeing Christians playing Hozier "Take Me To Church" not knowing the meaning behind it

[@sand_sand7304]

Americas anthem has under god

[@hiddendraco2607]

@@sand_sand7304 I'm not sure which side you're on here

[@Nai_101]

@@hiddendraco2607 great song actually

[@orions_quest]

"I'm here, as an Atheist" Me, an Atheist: claps in Atheist

[@nerglersstuff8890]

By Thor, you're just saying that because you're scared of dying in battle.

[@devonharris5936]

Any who denounce Odin and his kin have been led astray by the poisons of the Jötunn. ALL MAY FIND THEIR PLACE IN VALHALLA!!!!!!!!!!!

[@j.oaklley8965]

Jesus or hell. Thor is a comic book character. and a false norse god.

[@nerglersstuff8890]

@@devonharris5936 not all. Hel is that other place most people go. And I don't think us internet warriors apply for Valhalla haha.

[@SuperDipMonster]

@@j.oaklley8965, who's this Jesus? I've never heard of her.

[@thorstambaugh1520]

Correct

[@chrisgriffith1573]

The Theist argument goes like this: "You just haven't been with the right Christian yet"

[@youssubernfissi5559]

There for theist means Christan ?

[@JohanKylander]

"You're a lesbian? You just haven't had the right [ ] yet"

[@Schnort]

@@JohanKylander FECKING THAT "Hey, I don't want kids" "Oh, you are too young to know that! You'll love them once you have them!"

[@robertpetrovich1923]

@@Schnort My exwife believed that, then it was a lot of "You have to come home and get your kids before I pull an Andrea Yates"

[@sebastien5956]

the reason I officially converted was because I decided that I just didn't have the energy to go to church on sundays, and honestly the only reason I kept going for so long was because there were snacks, true story

[@Busta4Life]

I mean, I can't blame you. Having snacks on church is cool.

[@eliasjakemoran6434]

Bro, same. Well at least as a kid, because child indoctrination is one hell of a drug

[@ninja36inc]

you had snacks

[@hiddendraco2607]

Wait, free snacks? Like, as much as you want?... IT'S TIME FOR SOME C H U R C H

[@armageddongirl612]

my uncle used to go to macdonalds with me after sunday school and tbh thats the only reason i kept going for so long

[@cScottD]

I was raised in a rural Southern Pentecostal church. When I was 9, I saved up my money to buy a very nice (Drake's) Bible and I started reading it, front to back. I immediately started having questions about passages that had never been brought up in Sermons or Sunday School. My questions disturbed (and annoyed) my Sunday School Teacher, who wanted to know where I had heard such things. When I told him I read it in the Bible (and showed him the scriptures), he told me the Bible was too confusing for young minds and that's why we had the Preacher to read and interpret it for us. He sent me to the Preacher, supposedly to answer my questions, but he just reiterated that I was too young to read and understand the Bible myself. When it became clear that I wasn't going to stop reading it, he asked my Dad to stop bringing me to church, because I was "confusing the other children". I never went back to that church, but my parents and brothers continued going there for many years. By the time I finished reading the entire Bible, I had become firmly Agnostic and had also established one of the primary principles of my life: Anything that cannot be questioned is immediately suspect.

[@eliasjakemoran6434]

Mate, textbook☝️ Now that's just them not even trying to excuse things and just being lazy hoping nobody is smart enough to see through the lies

[@jeanettecook1088]

Almost the same thing happened to me. As a child forced into religious indoctrination, I actually read the southern Baptist approved version of the bible... had many questions, all of which went unanswered by the preacher, and for which I was roundly punished. People who give their minds over to religion... doesn't matter which one... are squandering the only thing they'll ever truly possess... along with their own intelligence, their own insights... it's a tragedy of human life.

[@nathan7043]

Sorry to hear that. I’m a Christian, but the idea any religious teachers would turn someone away because of age? Shameful. There’s even a verse in the Bible that says “Let the little children come to me.” Hope you don’t think that represents every “preacher”, that is an awful response

[@penboyasgod6103]

*IN* a church? jesus, life must have been hell.

[@bmprimer7809]

@@penboyasgod6103 there's a joke to be made about it being literal hell to be raised in a church, but i can't articulate it

[@seankauder9721]

"Why do you hate God?" "Why do you hate unicorns?"

[@chrism3845]

How can I hate someone or something that just does not exist. I I did, I would need to go see a psychiatrist.

[@serpentinewolf7085]

@Boz Vin Agreed. I hated Dumbledore from Harry Potter. Fake yes, piece of shit, yes.

[@xxqino]

@Boz Vin He has kill streak of roughly 2 million people lol what a nerd

[@legend_forces200]

@Boz Vin especially in the old testament

[@hiddendraco2607]

Something I really love is that Christians defend the magic man in the sky who leaves no trace of his presence ever besides a magic book full of bullshit and yet if you don't worship him and stop being yourself to please him he sends you to suffer for eternity with no chance of redemption and they wonder why Atheists call God a dickhead

[@justanothergamer7918]

Priest: why do you hate god Me : I can’t hate something that’s not real

[@justaway6901]

My sun... It's setting..

[@andewtheo6643]

@Atropa BellAidanna you don't need an arc to make a character interesting, and they can have inane powers at the same time if you make sure to give them something to work towards. For example , one punch man is ridiculously powerful, more so than any entity in his world and he doesn't relay change over the course of the anime, it was his goal and how he interacted with other characters that made him interesting, in short your character doesn't need a arc, just something to do.

[@pd4165]

I hate Spiderman. I'd contend that Spiderman is as real as Jesus (and that Jesus is 'god', in christianity). QED I can hate god. But I don't bother.

[@AH-vm8yo]

Priest: why do you hate god. Kid: because he lets you touch me and get away with it. That's right. I went there.

[@JustADudeDoingSomething]

@@AH-vm8yo Omfg 😂😂🤣🤣😂🤣😂

[@Destinychanged]

The idea that I am immoral / have no values / am intolerant because I do not believe is just so stupid.

[@stribe1000]

When folks say Atheist have no morals,I usually reply, “Will I am an Atheist, what are you saying” it usually stops them in their tracks

[@eliasjakemoran6434]

And if that doesn't work, step two is logic the f#@& out of them

[@serpentinewolf7085]

I normally ask them to go murder and rape nonbelievers with me and start quoting the Bible. They get scared the more fanatical I get or when I drag them to go grab my Bible.

[@aaronwood8374]

Atheists can be moral, but their morality is an opinion. As an example, only using imperical facts a science, explain why killing is wrong. You cant use human laws because those are based on morality. Nor can you use natural laws, because nature says killing is is good for predators and the environment. If you think killing is okay, again, same question. What I'm trying to say is that your morality is baseless opinion with something supernatural

[@eliasjakemoran6434]

@@aaronwood8374 Actually all morality is subjective and usually has a basis or reason. And atheism has nothing to do with science either.

[@aaronwood8374]

@@eliasjakemoran6434 incorrect. Christian's have morality ordained by the objective thruth of God.

[@trombonemain]

As an atheist, I really dislike the whole “why do you hate God” thing, because it’s an illogical argument. Asking me why I hate God is like asking me why I hate dragons. I don’t hate God. I just don’t believe that God exists.

[@rompevuevitos222]

I for one hate the imaginary god, i mean, it's a genocidal overlord who could literally fix all of the world's problems with just a tought but refuses because 2 humans did something he said not to centuries ago, wich btw, since he's "omnipresent" knew would happen, it's literally like giving a kid a loaded gun and knowing he will want to shoot himself, but instead of preventing it you just blame him and all his descendants

[@Sapphire9689]

Now hold on a minute buddy don't crush my hopes of dragons being real yet... My childhood dreams can't take that.

[@cr4zy_cycl0n3]

Dragon Gamer Dragons are fa-I MEAN they’re toootally 100% real yuuup

[@Sapphire9689]

@@cr4zy_cycl0n3 phew... I was getting worried for a second there.

[@berserkbaahu2187]

U believe God doesn't exist n some people believe God exists... That's just a different believe but u must have mutual respect for other believe n God will not punish anyone if they don't believe.

[@takikohaku2270]

Oh, you used to be a teenager but now you're an adult? Well, you were never a *true* teenager. IT'S NOT A PHASE MOM

[@michaelsayad5085]

They most likely weren't a true Christian. The standards for being a Christian are pretty high in the New Testament. The majority of people who turn away from Christianity weren't fervent believers. To believe you have to put God at the center of your life and commit your life to him. I doubt anyone here did that. They probably grew up with a Christian family and believed in God because they were told to and never thought about their faith that much and then said this is stupid I'm out without really experiencing what it is to be a Christian. Jesus said that if you don't put him before your own family then you're not worthy of him. The majority of the people at the church I grew up definitely did not do this. I found a small church as I grew older that did or least it appeared as though they did. As a Christian, Jesus has to be the center of your life. So yes, they were not true Christians.

[@takikohaku2270]

@@michaelsayad5085 Meh, my comment was more of a joke than a counter-argument. To be fair, I kinda agree with what you said; I was one of the "untrue" christians, being educated by christian parents and relatives. Only after realizing I didn't really belong in the church I noticed that most self-defined christians around me were not *devout* ones. "They weren't a true Christian" is still not a convincing argument, though. As GMS said, "[...] it's both a no-true-scotsman and unfalsifiable," which is what my pseudo-joke was all about.

[@michaelsayad5085]

@@takikohaku2270 Yeah I see the point about it being unfalsifiable lol you could say that about anyone.

[@wolframstahl1263]

So Jesus only healed those who were never truly sick? What a fraud!

[@leem.7565]

Lol

[@peterking2651]

I didn’t convert to atheism, I never became religious.

[@xxxod]

Atheism is pulling off the wool from your eyes

[@eliasjakemoran6434]

@@xxxod indeed

[@eliasjakemoran6434]

And people say "convert" like we have a combined mindset it collective ideology. It would just be deconverting because it's the absence of faith

[@alexarredondo5566]

Religion is a dogmatic and divergent corporation you're saying you never ascribed to any neither a nebulous image of one. when did you you realize you were different and had an innate disregard for allowance in all things phylisophical. 🤔 You don't have to answer that

[@EmeraldPixelGamingEPG]

@@xxxod Okay. Justify why you shouldn't kill anybody.

[@stephanierichardson5623]

This is great! Thank you! My parents, who raised my brother and I devout Roman Catholics, "came out" as atheists when I was in my 30s. What a relief that was! But I live in Dallas and am a constant target for saving...so this is helpful.

[@eliasjakemoran6434]

Glad there's others that are finding the help and assurance they need now😊

[@sand_sand7304]

Neet

[@persephoneharrison3439]

Having to prove the existence of God to an atheist is like having to prove the existence of the sun, at noon on a clear day.

[@mikeygarcia8271]

Can you say with 100% certainty that once you die and wake up on the other side, there is no hell...Are you 100% certain that there is no God? No heaven or hell? If you can be sure with 100% certainty, then you can take the risk and see if there is no hell once you wake up on the other side. But I have proof that the God of the Bible is real..and that there is hell that awaits those who did not put their faith in Jesus Christ, the Savior. Many atheists became believers after seeing the Spirit realm and felt God presence, many of them even heard His voice. Here are the videos of former atheist brain surgeon, an atheist orthopedic surgeons and an atheist college professor who became believers after their experiences in the heavnly realm, one of them saw hell. kzbin.info/www/bejne/anjWoISIptOqjJY kzbin.info/www/bejne/nmm6aJZ6bZdjnJI kzbin.info/www/bejne/oX3MnqKnj7qKndk

[@CherryBotV2]

@@persephoneharrison3439 No its not. There is no clear proof of God, unlike the sun.

[@sofyanhadiahmad]

"I'm not an atheist, I just believe in the force. May the force guides you"

[@lagos4312]

Ah, finally I see a fellow believer. Have a nice trip, and may the force be with you.

[@robertsafar2908]

carefull for dark side!

[@shimnakt955]

Gravitational force❓

[@justasleepparalysisdemonwi8719]

@@shimnakt955 no, just the force, young padowan.

[@villain2715]

The force?

[@didjargo]

Whenever someone gives me that old "there are no Atheists in foxholes" line, I tell them that there are no Christians looking forward to dying.

[@benjaminchartier6458]

Actually, a true believer DOES look forward to dying. They just remember that God has them in this world for now,so they can do his will. But you are wrong about looking forward to death. If your name is written in heaven, you look forward to being there. Paul talked about being 'absent from the body,but present with the Lord...'

[@donaldbaird7849]

@@benjaminchartier6458 I think you might have missed his point?

[@benjaminchartier6458]

@@donaldbaird7849 I gave a literal answer to a rhetorical question. He's questioning the integrity of the faith of believers. I got that,but that places him in a position to judge another man's heart. He's making a value judgement based on his own worldview. In all fairness, the saying is sarcastic in tone,and one could say he was being sarcastic in return. I for one look forward to a better world,one where people are at peace with one another, and don't have conflicts which cause them to show contempt for one another. Until then, God has me here.

[@donaldbaird7849]

@@benjaminchartier6458 It wasn't a rhetoric question, it was a joke. The fact you took it seriously while somehow knowing he wasn't serious tells me you should probably chill out a little bit

[@benjaminchartier6458]

@@donaldbaird7849 you mean like a put down

[@sheilastutz8257]

One sure way to become an atheist is study the bible extensively!

[@josephtarko3610]

may I ask what led you to this conclusion?

[@hiddendraco2607]

@@josephtarko3610 the bible constantly contradicts itself, makes a fool of itself and says it's a sin to be yourself or do what you want while promoting murder and rape in the name of the lord

[@josephtarko3610]

@@hiddendraco2607 1) list me any direct contradictions in the Bible, 2) list/explain where it makes a fool of itself, 3) list where it says it's a sin to be yourself, and 4) list where (in the New Testament, since Christians are not bound in any way to the Old Testament) it promotes murder or rape. Not saying I disagree or agree with any of your points, but the burden of proof lies with you.

[@hiddendraco2607]

@@josephtarko3610 there are literally bible verses stating God told people/tells people to slaughter entire villages, men women and children, and keep some as sex slaves, God promoted slavery in the bible in multiple verses, and he's stated "Man Shall Not Sleep With Man" which you Christians took to mean gay bad, and being gay is being yourself.

[@josephtarko3610]

@@hiddendraco2607 as I asked, find me anything in the New Testament. The only times where massacres of villages and killing men/women/children were when those groups of people were actively hostile towards the nation of Israel. Nowhere is sexual slavery promoted. In fact, nowhere is slavery promoted. Remember the people who built the pyramids - aka the Hebrew slaves? It was God who actually got them out of that situation. In 1 Timothy, slave owners are likened to people such as murderers, adulterers, perverts, and deceivers. Yes, God stated that 'man shall not sleep with a man as he sleeps with a woman' - aka. sex with another man is prohibited. So, if being gay is being yourself, is somebody who is bisexual not themselves, then? What if somebody is attracted to young children? Is that being themselves? Does feeling like you are able to fly and stop bullets with your hand suddenly mean that you are able to fly and stop bullets with your hand? You also stated that the Bible says it is wrong to be yourself. Of course it is - the nature of humanity is to do wrong - just look at the world around you. It is only through God that we see good come into this world. Any 'good' that we do on our own is compared to used toilet paper in its worth. Make sure you've at least read the entire Bible before you go making accusations that aren't founded in reality.

[@anesidora3084]

Proud to see my country as atheistic (Finland) . I have lived my whole life without religious influence and when you live like that you notice you dont need religion. You just build your life around the scientificly proven things. It comes pretty naturally in non - religious environment.

[@LuizMujik]

“Everybody's got to believe in something. I believe I'll have another beer.” _ W.C. Fields

[@hiddendraco2607]

I believe I'm about to get up and go get some food Edit: Got some poptarts

[@LY-sy2md]

I believe that popcorn is delicious and that dogs are too good for this world

[@Mike1Lawless]

In order to gain power in society you need to manipulate people to value something intangible, then you can exploit them with it to get them to do things for you. Getting other people to do things for you is what power really is. First you have to prime the mind to accept belief, one way is to claim that everybody has a belief no matter what, this is a lie but it drives a lot of people to the idea that they have to pick one! Money is power - If that is true why can't i bribe some religious people? Religion is power - If that is true why can i bribe some religious people? The thing that connects all these things together is as simple as value! The idea that you have to pick an idea is what creates value when you pick it, once you value something you've shown the world your weakness and they'll exploit it for their own gain!

[@LuizMujik]

the cake is a lie....@@InsertNameHere911

[@CheekiStalker]

Back when I was a young child my Grandmother used to tell me everything about space and nature. She told me to question everything and to have an open mind when it comes to Science... the thing is she was a Cathlic woman would whole heartedly believed that God was real and believed in him creating everything. She had never pushed her beliefs on me and openly told me to make my own beliefs and to question my beliefs. She supported me and wanted my happiness over all else. She supported me being Athiest and we had many healthy open conversations about Religion and the Sciences.

[@Angelo-tp3xg]

That is a rare gem... Its so rare to find an actually good religious person nowadays

[@zimcard2499]

I highly agree, your grandmother is an amazing woman and I hope she has a wonderful day

[@moistenedwall1003]

Unus

[@bipedalbob]

Your grandma is a good example, that's what a religious person should aspire to be.

[@peanutbutterprincess123]

Wow I wish my grandma could approach this topic in that way. Both my grandparents are strict jehovas witnesses and attempt to convert me whenever i meet them. I can’t remember many conversations with them other than attempted brainwashing my whole life. I do believe they’re doing it from a place of love, trying to save me from my fate if I don’t believe, but I just want to talk to them as grandparents (and nothing else) for once.

[@legioncresswell9592]

Idk why people cant just be respectful to each other, my wifes a practicing catholic and I'm an atheist and we get along just fine.

[@serpentinewolf7085]

Because I can’t stand flat earthers or idiots. Especially hypocrites.

[@roguepsykerhaaker4813]

@@serpentinewolf7085 personally I don't mind flat earthers so much, they're not really hurting anyone. It's people like antivaxers that I can't stand. But even then I can't be bothered to go out of my way to argue with them because it makes me less happy and isn't very productive.

[@berberrb-3754]

@@roguepsykerhaaker4813 the only good thing anti-vaxxers get from their actions is they don't have to save for their kids' college

[@legend_forces200]

@@berberrb-3754 100 damage, critical hit.

[@hiddendraco2607]

@@berberrb-3754 Jokes like these will never get old, just like antivaxx kids

[@fpcoleman57]

As an atheist of some 28 years it's still great to hear videos like this. Thank you!!

[@cyansloth1763]

This is literally everything that was thrown at me by family because I was very emotional over my research and realization that there is no god. They were like you seem angry at God. I'm not angry at "god" I'm angry I believed it and that you're invalidating me and refuse to hear me out!

[@drose6437]

Exactly, it was literally just a waste of time and then they ask, why are you angry ? Idk because i wasted time believing in this bullshit and doing what was expected of me

[@someBody-bp1vc]

Thats what my family will do to me if they find out

[@Frede-]

It must be pretty hard to suddenly realize that what you believe in doesn’t make any sense to you anymore. I’m just happy I grew up with parents who aren’t religious, I’ve never had to worry about it.

[@someBody-bp1vc]

@@Frede- yes. It really is.

[@snoot731]

Francesca -1420 it is frustrating. It usually starts out with a bit of confusion on some of “gods” choices which then escalates to disbelief after research

[@ross-carlson]

Yesterday I called my mother and thanked her profusely for not indoctrinating me when I was a child. She simply said "you're very welcome, why would I have taught you a bunch of fairy tales?" THANKS MOM!!!

[@AdamYoudell]

Lucky you. I was tormented non-stop with it

[@cartoonken5060]

Mr.toastyboi 1369 we care more about jesus than satan, tbh we dont even care about him

[@MrFizz-bt5wu]

@@cartoonken5060 oh ok, sorry for calling you insane

[@ross-carlson]

@@mstrfool I didn't actually read the bible until I was in my 40's - and holy fucking shit - how does anyone believe any of this crap? And if they did why would they WANT to follow it? We all know by far the best way is indoctrination - as when your parents say "don't touch that, don't eat that, believe this" you believe them. When they say "you'll burn in hell if you X, Y, Z" they believe it - which, if you ask me, is bordering on child abuse.

[@whatever.1765]

Steve I hope that’s satire. Or you’re just very ignorant.

[@caesarius2004]

I once told a Christian friend that I decided to become an Atheist. The response from him: No, you are no Atheist, you have a god, you worship devil made science! (Yes, it really happened)

[@thegameranch5935]

The devil gets a bad rap

[@eliasjakemoran6434]

@@thegameranch5935 He really does

[@eliasjakemoran6434]

Mate, I'll be surprised if you didn't slap his face for uttering such nonsensical stupidity

[@bobs182]

It is likely is hard for you to be a friend to someone so ignorant.

[@NYpaddler]

You know who I hate? Santa Claus. Because he never brings me a damn thing.

[@segtendonerd64]

And I saw the bastard kiss my mum.

[@hiddendraco2607]

@@segtendonerd64 YEAH! he did that to my mom too! Only I do that

[@xcicciobox932]

He is a pedophile and a thief

[@Jan_Koopman]

I am a christian and I am ashamed that so many "fellow christians" do this. I personally fully respect atheists' points of view.

[@user-dm1xz5yq8f]

@Jan Koopman thanks

[@VictorReynolds]

Ditto.

[@bloodtypena]

Thank you Jan

[@danyaelpecson557]

i feel you bro

[@stacielivinthedream8510]

You don't understand you giving two points of view at the same time

[@adentravis]

If you shaved your beard, then you never had one

[@andreedwards7178]

Your beard was never a true beard otherwise you wouldn't have shaved it. Only true beards never get shaven. Sadly I cant grow a beard, beardless genes.

[@cvrator]

If you saw my old beard, you'd know I wish that were true.

[@adentravis]

@Bluemonsoon wym?

[@adentravis]

@Bluemonsoon wym means, what do you mean.

[@adentravis]

@Bluemonsoon yes I am an atheist, however I'm not usually the one defines god, I usually leave that up to the person I'm conversating with. At which point I can evaluate their definition of god and see whether or not I believe it.

[@paulgaunt9481]

One day I googled “There are no atheists in foxholes “… which I had always accepted as true. What I learned in that search softened me up to drop my belief in a god within a few weeks of that time. The God Delusion was the knock out punch for me. I was 48 years old. Better late than never.

[@composerbeef]

I became an Athiest at 14 when my school hired a new Religious Studies teacher. My previous teacher had been a Christian who taught religious studies as "This is what the people who are correct believe, and this is what the people who are incorrect believe". This new teacher was, I believe, agnostic (or possibly an athiest, I never actually asked him what his beliefs were). He taught about each religion with objectivity, merely teaching the facts about each relgion's beliefs with no bais. For the first time I was learning stuff about my faith through a clear lense and began to pick holes in the religious teachings for myself (please note that any time I approached the teacher with my doubts he challenged me to consider every aspect of my doubt to see if it truly was something that I should be doubting). After several months of looking at my faith objectively I realised that it made no sense to me and began looking to other areas of thought, namely the sciences. I found that science had a way of explaining things that not only made sense to me, but were backed up with physical evidence. For me science succeeded where religion had failed. That's not to say the two are mutually exclusive, and people believe in both, but for me religion had too many holes in it, and at times seemed to be grasping at straws.

[@nenmaster5218]

Emma Thorne, Genetically modified Sceptic, Creaky Blinder, all of them covered Kent Hovind with great humor and witty facts. I warmly recommend my fellow dan-fans those and more. Take this random fun-fact.

[@persenn8935]

What's the difference between Google and someone trying to claim you'll rot in hell? Google answers questions

[@raxusveritas]

No, they both answer questions, google gives an answer

[@pd4165]

The person claiming you'll rot in hell knows the porn sites hidden from Google.

[@JustADudeDoingSomething]

Oh shit 😂😂😂🤣🤣👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@imtiredofitallmakeitstop]

You're still going to hell btw

[@noneayourbusiness5149]

Yeah, that's fairly accurate. In my experience, the religions that don't believe you'll rot in hell will answer questions openly. Personal experiences: Judaism and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I'm sure there's also more, those are just the two I've personally encountered in my life.

[@grandebigy]

I stopped believing when I actually read the bible.. Simple

[@robertsafar2908]

some people but not me just believe in god existence and do not believe in religion, they just believe in creator god who just created everything and people and just left and do care about us. If i would started believe in god, it would be exactly like that for me,,, i would not need some book that would prooved my believe.

[@bloodtypena]

Same for me i had questions i read the bible and became atheist

[@youssubernfissi5559]

But that is a religion I think the reasonable way to think is "no god -> bible wrong" not the other way around right ? It like when you know that I don't have a blue car when I tell you that I have no car to begin with but if I tell you that I don't have a blue car that doesn't mean I have no car at all

[@youssubernfissi5559]

@@robertsafar2908 surly that is the first step but accepting that means that you accept that god is more powerful and wiser than you in every imaginable way so if he cares about you it would make a bit of sense that he would try to communicate or educate you in some sort and what stops that from being a book ? I'm not saying that the existence of god has to be associated with some sort of book. all I'm saying is that it is a reasonable to look into and worth looking into these books and religions and seeing if there is some truth to them or not

[@garyk1334]

@@youssubernfissi5559 Yes and then when you read those books you realise how ridiculous they are . Well some of us do anyway .

[@slashdotism]

Norwegian here, my first encounter with religious preaching was when I was a conscript in the army and the field priest tried to convert me. We had a lot of discussions, he was a great guy honestly but he kept going back to the argument, "you don't get it cause you haven't read the bible" so I did. Old and new testament, front to back. Still didn't believe in gods or leviathans 😂

[@brucea9871]

"You don't get it because you haven't read the Bible"? And what would he say to a Muslim who said he doesn't get Islam because he hasn't read the Quran? I had a similar encounter with Jehovah's Witnesses. Upon telling them I was an atheist they said I should read the Bible. Why? What good would reading the Bible do? It's nothing but the record of beliefs of people who lived 2000+ years ago, and it's full of contradictions, absurdities, atrocities (many condoned, commanded or committed by god), failed prophecies and fairy tales. The mistake religionists make is their automatic assumption the Bible is 100% true so anyone who reads it will see the "truth" of Christianity. The vast majority of them, being brainwashed by their church, will never see the error of this assumption.

[@S050683]

"Athiests lose faith because of hardship" I thought hardships were the reason people became religious not losing a religion. They seek God to find comfort during hard times. The reason we don't believe in God is because there's no evidence other than someone's own faith of his/her/it's existance.

[@eliasjakemoran6434]

Exactly

[@cutienerdgirl]

I was raised in the church and I honestly stopped believing because of religious trauma. My mom is literally going crazy being a member of three different churches because she says "I'm going through spiritual warfare," when her only problem is staying with my abusive father who has threatened to kill her multiple times, said he put our pictures on a demon shrine, and has is using Narcissistic abuse tactics against us. My mom only stays with my abusive father because the Bible says people shouldn't get divorces.

[@NeoDemocedes]

Apply skepticism directly to the affected area. Use skepticism regularly in order to get the most benefit. If your condition does not improve after a few days or if it worsens, seek immediate medical attention. Not a suppository.

[@Tasorius]

And this is why I hate both sides sometimes. Because both sides has too many gnostics. Everyone needs to be an agnostic, whether they are an "atheist" or a "theist". That way, neither side would see a reason to argue, and they wouldn't treat their beliefs or lack of beliefs as absolute facts...

[@ceruchi2084]

So sad about that last sentence. For many ex-believers, that's PRECISELY the affected area.

[@dalinean]

" there is no god in foxholes" Having read some memoirs of ww1 & 2 veterans I can confidently state that belief in god disappears in battles. Though many pray, their prayers are not answered.

[@brianmorgan7703]

The graffiti from Auschwitz fits nicely here: "If there is a God, he will have to beg my forgiveness."

[@korvonfrancis6552]

@@brianmorgan7703 What do you mean by that?

[@korvonfrancis6552]

Sometimes the answer is no but sometimes the answer is yes. God knows what he's doing. This is a slightly bigger topic however

[@brianmorgan7703]

@@korvonfrancis6552 That line was written on a wall where Jewish prisoners were held. If you can't understand why a Jew would feel that way while living through the nightmare of the Holocaust then you lack empathy.

[@korvonfrancis6552]

@@brianmorgan7703 Didn't see the quotation's you added. I though you were making a statement. However what I said is still true. Sometimes the answer is no.

[@Keaperman]

Regarding the, No Atheist in the foxholes. When my mother was in the terminal stage of cancer and was at the hospital. The Hospital Priest came by to talk with her and to make her find peace. I heard for months afterwards from nurses that they had never in their lives heard anyone utter so many swearwords in as short a time when she very graphically described what she thought about a preacher ! So yes, you can easily keep being an atheist while being terminally ill !

[@Rpglover456]

That "virginity is cool" chant. 🤣🤣🤣 Oh god, I remember doing that shit.

[@Enki1013]

Schrodinger's Atheist: "Hate God because of hardship" and "No atheists in foxholes"

[@rompevuevitos222]

I mean, always i hear about people becoming theists is because they "found god" after something awful happened (alcohol withdrawal, loss of a loved one, etc), so if anything, people convert DUE to tragedies, not the other way around

[@legendarymonkey503]

A lot of times that’s what it takes

[@rompevuevitos222]

@@legendarymonkey503 Nah, ppl sometimes convert from one day to the other, specially in cases like these

[@theeguy9022]

That's pretty much the only positive of religion it can give hope to some but really it does so much more wrong than right

[@felicityc]

This, dude. I was thinking exactly about this. I deconverted due to being challenged via reason and having to think about it, since I realized how little I knew about the things I was trying to fight (evolution). The resulting research made me question other things, c'est la vie, deconverted. My grandmother keeps believing I will reconvert. She keeps telling me about this and that person she's met who got past their horrible trauma via converting. She knows about my drug issues and I've had rehab etc, I try to recover and am not ashamed of it, and apparently Jesus is the key! I never even thought ONCE when I was in complete misery, or at war in my service, of reconverting. If anything, these situations seeing such horrible things happening made me even more sure no good God exists.

[@rompevuevitos222]

@@felicityc The thing is that religion CAN help with drug addiction, but only if you actually believe in it, if you don't believe and tried to convert now you would only find another thing to waste brain power in, which you really can't afford when fighting something like drugs Also, using religion in this way is costly in many ways, being a faithful believer of a religion, specially a faith forged due to necessity, can bring many horrors to your psyche, your mind would become VERY aggressive to anything outside the religion in an attempt to truly believe Most old people get over that over time and find a middle ground, but for an adult who converted later on it gets really difficult

[@she_gagss]

The last clip at the end has me blown away like wtf... Virginity is cool... I can't stop cringing, and laughing

[@Busta4Life]

Now that you mention it, Shit.. I can't get it out of my head now..

[@unclejake1476]

As a ten year old I told my parents Sunday school/church is just common sense and I don't want to go back. So happy they didn't force church on me.

[@heyitsme6561]

I like the “BS” sign above the essential oils book lmao.

[@jaukeweterings6611]

You might already know this but he has it there because he was at first studying on how to become an essential oils expert but dropped out because he realized it was bs

[@pw6002]

At first (a little time ago, on another video of GMS) I did not see the BS sign and I thought to myself : « WTF, how can a true skeptic promote essential oils ?!! » And then I saw the sign... 😅

[@peiranzhang4283]

one essential oils book a day, keeps success away.

[@elkiddo1114]

he should put it on his forehead.

[@j.oaklley8965]

Jesus or hell!!!

[@AbdullahSameerVideos]

Thanks for the shout out at 5:43! 😁 I'm honored that you're comparing me to Bart Ehrman but honestly I'm not even close. He studied the Bible for 30 years in itd original language and I was just a religious Muslim who found his way through the holes in it.

[@vannervonvagabond6603]

God said that he is most pleased with his experience as Jesus. That's why Jesus is the only way to God. Those that do not accept Jesus as the savior will not be accepted into heaven.

[@generalharness8266]

@@vannervonvagabond6603 If god was real he would judge us on how we lived our life not if we belived in him. If he truly wanted us to belief he would send us messages that cannot be misintrupted like breaking our understanding of physics and then claiming it was him though a message in the sky that apears around the world at the same time. Can I ask how you can claim that God said something in a book written by men that are titled according to insert human name here (i cannot remeber a single segment of the bible that says the gossiple according to god). I do not refute your right to belief just keep it to yourself instead of pushing your belief onto others.

[@vannervonvagabond6603]

He does judge.

[@yamamasfishytaco9450]

@@vannervonvagabond6603 Heaven sounds awful, I guess either way I'm screwed so I may as well enjoy my brief period of happiness then

[@vannervonvagabond6603]

You're not screwed God paid for your transgressions by dying on the cross a sinless man. All you need to do to accept eternal life is repent of your sins and believe whole heartedly in Jesus.

[@lawrenceslsko1391]

I hate whenenever I tell people that I'm Agnostic they always go on and ask "Why did you change. What happened to you" Me: "I started thinking"

[@robertmcmillan3638]

Agnostic means that you don't know, DON'T let these modern day buffoons hoodwink you into thinking that there is all these sub categories. ONLY 3 exist. 1) Believers in something. 2) Believers in nothing, and 3) People in between who don't know one way or the other.

[@aaronwood8374]

What were you thinking about?

[@jaapuitroepteke2750]

@@aaronwood8374 where the nearest toilet was, really had to take a wee

[@wolf1066]

"Atheists just want to sin". Well, glossing over the rather nebulous and arbitrary definitions of "sin" and just sticking with some of the biggies like killing and stealing, I have *no desire* to do those things at all. Nor do I want to commit adultery or boil a kid-goat in its mother's milk. I have, however, encountered a Christian who *stole* from my neighbour and when I confronted her about it she merely looked up at the sky and said "Sorry God." so I could be justified in thinking that Christians just want to be *forgiven* for the sins they want to commit. "Yeah, lady, I stole your stuff but I squared it up with God, so it's all cool. kthxbye." Maybe we should be running around and saying "Christian, huh? You just want to sin like a demon and then escape the consequences of your actions."

[@wiwiweriley4290]

Yea, that's pretty much what the New Testament comes down to - the one and only way to get to heaven is through belief and love of Jesus Christ. If you live and absolutely abhorrent live as a vile caricature of a human being, but "repent" and accept Jesus as your savior, you can get to heaven. But if you're a shining paragon of compassion, empathy, love and humanity, but don't believe...eternal suffering it is. Yea, that hardly sounds fair, good, or righteous in any way. I got similar problem with the concept of karma. If we get exactly as we deserve then it could be assumed that a person who's suffering horribly must have deserved it. So...why should we help that little kid who is being raped to death? Surely they must have done something absolutely horrible to deserve that. The entire concept is beyond immoral and promotes a passive approach towards suffering.

[@wolf1066]

@@wiwiweriley4290 Yeah. I've had a Christian deem me to be an utter monster for *not forgiving* a former friend for sexually molesting a child - because "God would forgive him" (presumably if he "repented" and asked for Christ's salvation) and therefore I'm a monster because I won't. There's nothing so depraved that you can do that can't be "forgiven" if you "find Jesus" and nothing so great that you can do that's "good enough" if you don't. And Christians think they're "good people" despite believing that wholeheartedly and thinking that it's fair or "justice".

[@unoriginal2552]

​@@wolf1066If I was god (in this hypothetical situation he exists) there is no way I would let anyone like that near the first step up to the pearly gates, regardless of if they repented or not. Yeah eternal damnation sounds lovely for them.

[@wolf1066]

@@unoriginal2552 And if I were a god, I'd make _genuine contrition and acknowledgement of wrong-doing_ be what I base my forgiveness on - rather than the transgressor's acceptance of human sacrifice. "Hey god, I accept human sacrifice, that makes me a fucking awesome person, please shower me with rewards forever" - Christians, apparently.

[@mattakudesu]

I only hate god when I think about all the Sundays I could have spent playing video games.

[@kathryngeeslin9509]

God or the humans who made you go to church? The "minister" who put the "fear of God" in your family and their money in his bank account? There are real villains here, often victims themselves.

[@keechoocalzone8712]

gamers rise up

[@halo4176]

Lol mood

[@MrDigztheswagking]

Pretty much

[@jariostereo1494]

Lol Real shit

[@ProphetofZod]

It amazes me that people find it normal for Christians to say these things when they would be considered wildly inappropriate in any other conversational situation. By far my biggest irritation is when people not only assume things like this about me but insist they're true even after I've clarified that they're not.

[@anthonywilkes5290]

I wouldn't think I'd find you here!

[@ProphetofZod]

Really? Why not?

[@anthonywilkes5290]

@@ProphetofZod usually you're not top comment so I have no idea

[@bdf2718]

Of course they insist those things are true even after you've clarified they're not. That's because you're an atheist, and atheists lie. Well known fact, that. :)

[@laydieelle7069]

+Prophet of Zod Same. Preconceptions that people blindly hold to irritate me to no end.

[@Ethan-fj2cn]

I'm a very recent atheist, and you're really helping me destroy the conflict within me

[@nenmaster5218]

Cool. Emma Thorne, Genetically modified Sceptic, Creaky Blinder, all of them covered Kent Hovind with great humor and witty facts. Maybe that helpes even more, cause it really shows how ancient christian believes truly are.

[@mikeygarcia8271]

Can you say with 100% certainty that once you die and wake up on the other side, there is no hell...Are you 100% certain that there is no God? No heaven or hell? If you can be sure with 100% certainty, then you can take the risk and see if there is no hell once you wake up on the other side. But I have proof that the God of the Bible is real..and that there is hell that awaits those who did not put their faith in Jesus Christ, the Savior. Many atheists became believers after seeing the Spirit realm and felt God presence, many of them even heard His voice. Here are the videos of former atheist brain surgeon, an atheist orthopedic surgeons and an atheist college professor who became believers after their experiences in the heavnly realm, one of them saw hell. kzbin.info/www/bejne/anjWoISIptOqjJY kzbin.info/www/bejne/nmm6aJZ6bZdjnJI kzbin.info/www/bejne/oX3MnqKnj7qKndk

[@os.a.m.a]

Same here. Although I've completely lost my faith, being from the middle east (Muslim) and how religious my family is, the conflict within is huge.

[@jeromemccollom936]

Though Prager is decades older, this young man has much more wisdom, a 1000 times

[@EmeraldPixelGamingEPG]

Why?

[@w-james9277]

Im an atheist because iv seen no evidence that suggests the existence of a god.

[@elkiddo1114]

It's called life dude.

[@catchara1496]

W-James so if you saw evidence, you’d believe? That’s agnostic sorry

[@w-james9277]

@@catchara1496 Agnostics are people who are 50/50. Atheists doubt the existence of a god.

[@PGraveDigger1]

@@catchara1496 Technically he's an agnostic atheist. Agnosticism just means that you don't know if god exists. Atheism just means that you don't believe god exists. The two are not mutually exclusive. You can at the same time believe that there is no god while not knowing whether or not there's a god. Just as you can believe there is a god while not knowing whether or not there's a god.

[@dedeadlypotato6007]

W-James I see no evidence to prove the Big Bang theory

[@yeetymcskeetyskeetymcyeety3198]

Theres only one god and his name is shrek

[@dhuh943]

You have just converted me

[@cailynjoy8129]

ALL HAIL OUR LORD AND SAVIOR SHREK, MAY WE ALWAYS BE ALL STARS IN HIS EYES

[@dantethunderstne9668]

for shrek is love and shrek is life

[@roselynearroyocastillo8402]

YES

[@aadengreen6583]

I’m no longer being atheist as I know that shrek is real

[@erisofterra8986]

I grew up in an abusive household but oddly enough religion wasn't a part of my trauma. I just left it because it never made any sense anyway.

[@Waterlooplein1]

I have never, nor will ever, defend anything I DON'T believe.

[@BedsitBob]

I didn't "deconvert" to become an Atheist. I've always been an Atheist.

[@happyjohn354]

same its just the nagging gets so bad you end up just nodding your head and going "yes sir" until you can leave home...

[@JustADudeDoingSomething]

@@happyjohn354 true

[@Tairneanach]

Re: "There are no atheists in foxholes": An atheist who was very close to me suffered from cancer (this started long after they stopped believing in any gods). Eventually a complication with their chemotherapy reared its ugly head, their weakened immune system couldn't fend off a bout of pneumonia and antibiotics weren't helping. I was visiting this person in hospital in a catholic city, and although I was in deep denial at the time, they had accepted that they wouldn't survive the night. A nurse entered and asked whether the patient wanted to see a priest. The atheist scoffed. I've never been prouder than when I look back at that moment. Everything else about that night is a terrible, painful memory, but that one instant is a constant reminder of why I loved that person. I have no reason to believe that I'll behave differently when my time comes. That night also showed me something about myself: When I'm at my worst, I wish I believed in a supernatural being I could blame and/or take comfort from to relieve the pain. I don't, though, and wishing hard enough will not change that.

[@stephanietanniss]

what city is this? a secular hospital still asked if he wanted to see a priest?

[@__Andrew]

Hospitals do that all the time, and usually have a "religious center" on site (probably used to be called chapels but now they are used for multiple religious services). And if you _are_ Christian you certainly might want to see a priest. When i was going through my own cancer treatments last year one of the questions on my entrance paperwork is about religion, and even tho i had always told them i was an atheist, i still had a person walk into my room mid chemo treatment one week and ask if i wanted to talk about god. I told her "im an atheist" and she said "that's okay, i like talking to atheist". I then told her "normally i would love to talk to you about religion, but im going through chemo right now and my brain is fried from the drugs (chemo brain)". She said she might stop back later and i never saw her again which was fine with me. I also had a nurse at one point that kept talking about god, but really besides those two times i never had any issues with the hospital. Even when i was going twice a week for infusions i never had any of the volunteers ask to "pray with me" or anything which was nice. But still, that lady that walked into my room i think should not have happened. I had filled out paperwork that clearly stated that i had no religious tendencies, so did she know this and not care? Did the hospital not give her this information? There is a lot of HIPPA stuff that goes on in medicine but surely if there are religious "therapist" walking around then they should get a heads up to not bother with non believers. I also kept thinking that what if it was a Christian going through chemo and a Muslim walked into their room wanting to talk about Muhammad and Allah. Probably would not go over very well. I don't want to jump and say the hospital has a clear Christian bias (i don't think it does), but im betting this is just another example of how Christianity has seeped into so much of our life that Christians dont even realize when they over step boundaries. It's just "how its always been" so they think it's okay.

[@chikkipop]

@MrStripeyDog "Truth most atheists convert to theists on the deathbed." Nonsense. But you probably know that, so the question is why you'd post it.

[@M1sterE321]

@MrStripeyDog No, he's right. What you said is nonsense.

[@chikkipop]

@MrStripeyDog "I already said why" *You already said why you posted utter nonsense? I must have missed it.* ;-)

[@Krejstrup]

Most people listen to answer not to understand. Thanks for this video. You are doing a good job

[@LisaForTruth]

I was VERY religious. I went to two different Christian schools, and at that point, I was basically at church six days a week. I went to Bible Camp when I was young, earning multiple "most verses memorized"; at my Christian schools, I was constantly quizzed on the Bible; I went on multiple missionary trips. And I LOVED it because I thought I was doing the right thing, and I was DEFINITELY drinking the Kool-Aid. I my edited videos, I try to be very respectful of Christians. Well, I do in my livestreams as well, but they don't like me making fun of the Bible.

[@jeanettecook1088]

The nice thing is, you don't have to make fun of the bible (any version you choose). All people have to do is read it; it makes a mess of itself all by itself. Starts out with a fantastic, unsupported, bald claim for which no evidence is given, and plummets down into confusing, self-contradicting stories and almost total unreadability from there ...🤭

[@gregm766]

The "unhappy" claim always cracks me up. I was a happy as hell believer and still so as a non-believer, I enjoyed it, I didn't stop because something bad happened, I stopped believing because it stopped making sense.

[@bdf2718]

Call me pedantic (because I am) but it didn't stop making sense. It *never* made sense. You started to realize that it didn't make sense.

[@Uncle-Mike]

As a fundamental Baptist, our every service was predicated on the existence of sinners in the congregation and their guilt compelling them to come down the aisle, to kneel on the altar at the closing and cry and pray and beg forgiveness from the Lord. We were told to confront our sins, to be angry at Satan, to fear the Lord and feel rebuked for our bad thoughts and actions. We were told that every one of us was born into sin and must constantly ask the Lord to protect us from Satan. Before atheism: sad, guilty, contrite, angry, fearful, judgmental and small After atheism: free, aware, unafraid, unburdened, loving and joyous (your mileage may vary)

[@autonomouscollective2599]

Gregory Marshall I’m right there with you. I had a great childhood. Nothing bad happened to me to make me become an atheist. Loving family, nice teachers, no deaths of anyone near to me. But I became curious about arcane things like the supernatural, astrology, and the paranormal, and that eventually led me to becoming an atheist.

[@thebuddercweeper]

@@bdf2718 pedantic.

[@szeddezs]

@Voice of Reason "Atheists have the reputation for a reason" Yeah, the reason being church propaganda to keep the herd in the fold. Don't you find it suspicious when someone has to resort to dehumanising "the enemy" in order to convince you of their idea? Same with bribing its followers with eternal rewards or threatening with eternal punishment for non-compliance.

[@Doctor_Straing_Strange]

''they hate him!'' God: did you just assume my gender?

[@FranFerioli]

“…if there is a god, he must be a man. No woman could or would fuck things up this bad” - George Carlin

[@prachetasnayse9709]

You need more likes.

[@keiyakins]

I mean if we assume his existence and power, we could reasonably assert the lack of misgendering related smitings as fairly strong evidence.

[@TheKyrix82]

Pretty sure God's pronouns are "Lord" and "I am"...not sure where you go from there

[@zirconis5411]

TheKyrix82 I can guarantee that the christian god is of both genders.

[@aniketo-o4356]

When I ask them what proof do you have that god exists, they say look at the bible, when I tell them the earth is flat, they ask me what proof do you have that the earth is flat, I say look at the flat earth map.

[@Theprofessorator]

I've read 2 versions of the Bible, the Tanakh, The Book of Mormon, The Apocrypha, The Qu'ran, The Vedas, The Gita, The Prose Eda and The Avesta just so I could come up against, "You just hate God."

[@eliasjakemoran6434]

Aw mate, I can't wait until they hit you with that "Well you should try to read the Bible."

[@janewright315]

My favourite is, as soon as someone who did something terrible turns out to be a christian: "oh, that person's not a real christian"

[@nin_ten_do_yo]

@Voice of Reason The pinnacle of atheism is knowing how important the one life you have is ...

[@christianyobel117]

But wait. You see that terrible person? Oh, all atheist are like that

[@CAPSLOCKPUNDIT]

Let's apply this logic to other scenarios. "I emigrated to another country, therefore I was never born in Chicago". "I broke up with my girlfriend. That proves I am a virgin".

[@sirjgn4868]

@Voice of Reason Well at least they (the priests) have a goal to aim for (raping kids and topping up their wallets).The pinnacle of religion is to scare everyone into believing they will burn in eternal suffering and be aggressive and rude to the point that they disprove all others who have different opinions to them. Scaring people into good deeds leads to half-assed "charity" works which helps nobody in the long run.

[@wordforger]

What they don't realize is a lot of Christians use their faith as an excuse to get away with terrible behavior because "oops, I sinned, but God will forgive me." This may not even be a conscious thought process, but it's certainly present in how many view the faith, and it gives them an excuse to avoid self-reflection because you don't need to blame yourself if there's a supernatural force (like the devil) to blame for your bad behavior. If you are a jerk, it's the devil getting in you, but it's ok because God will forgive you! For many non-theists, rejecting that way of thinking means that your own actions are your own actions and you yourself must take the consequences of those actions and accept blame and learn from those mistakes. If you're a jerk, it's your own fault and you are the one that will need to make strides to fix that personality flaw, because no one else can do it for you.

[@bongbingbingbong9090]

Actually, there are no atheist when the toilet water starts to rise.

[@dilflover1234]

Proud American “oh my god the toilets overflowing”

[@dilflover1234]

Proud Americana lot of atheists use the exclamation “oh my god” or “oh god” whenever something exciting, terrifying, disheartening, etc happens which is ironic because they don’t believe in a god but in a situation such as your toilet suddenly overflowing you’re likely to mindlessly say “oh my god, the toilet is overflowing!” sounding like a religious person calling out to their god. This exclamation though is just a common thing that people say and doesn’t directly show that the person is religious, that's the joke

[@bartholomulesphensvil2284]

hotboy seokjin I myself still exclaim Jesus whenever I'm surprised

[@indicajane4721]

😆😆 facts 🚽

[@chiangkaishrek5123]

@@bartholomulesphensvil2284 I’ve never been a Christian in my life and I still say “Oh my god” and “Jesus” I think it’s a cultural thing in the USA to be honest.

[@erlenmeyer._flask]

Watching this as a religious person to make sure I understand and can cooperate as well as possible :>

[@eliasjakemoran6434]

Thank you! We greatly appreciate that💜

[@bull1085]

Finally, a theist who respects opinions. You are few and far between!

[@SartorialDragon]

4:30 the same logic is often applied to gatekeep gender and sexuality identities! "you can't be trans if you've not known from kindergarten age" or "you can't be a lesbian if you've ever had sex with a man and enjoyed it" or "if you've identified as gay, but now you identify as bi, you were never gay in the first place". While it's proven that people don't just "become gay", that sexuality and gender are core to a person from birth, i think this doesn't account for people figuring themselves out a bit more and a bit more as they develop over a lifetime. If a label fits you now, and in a year, you find one that fits better, it doesn't have to mean that the other one was false. It was the label that described your experience best at the time, and now it doesn't anymore. What i find way more relevant is asking: Why does it matter so much? Why does it matter whether i've identified differently in the past? Why do you think YOU hold the key to the gate, to judge whether i'm christian / atheist / gay / bi enough to get YOUR seal of approval? It seems to often be done out of a fear that *me* living that label differently than *you* live the same label, or even me leaving behind that label might negate your experience. It does not. Also, just because an experience and a label we attach to that experience have changed, it doesn't mean that all previous labels have been terribly misguided. Even if i now say i'm definitely not a christian, it doesn't mean i never was and it doesn't negate that i have found comfort and community within that label. Denying someone access to a label means denying someone access to feeling like part of a community - and that is the most wicked thing you can do to the human psyche.

[@hagakure8398]

I was in the army for 6 years. I spent a year deployed to afghan. I never once turned to god. lol It really pisses me off when people say that.

[@JustADudeDoingSomething]

THANK YOU! I always meet people who "if you had just believe and pray to god he will save you" bullcrap. What about a friend of mine who was a christian who had lung cancer? He prayed and prayed to live because he had a single mother to take care of him all his life. He was finally old enough to get a job and help his mother, but he died of lung cancer. It has been 12 years since then. I just want to ask christians to explain this. "He went to a better place"? This shitty line bugs the fuck out of me til this day.

[@chrisflannagan643]

Same here. I did two deployments to Iraq in the Marines. Was an atheist for both then and still am now.

[@vinced5024]

@@chrisflannagan643 I'm leaving for basic training mid August, will my fellow soldiers discriminate against me because I'm atheist?

[@Drakonis.Imperial]

@Rift Reaper First off most Abrahamic religions operate under the caveat that "All things occur in accordance with Yahweh's will (divine plan)". That means that Yahweh not only didn't stop the "pain in Earth" he actively caused it. Apparently so that a miniscule percentage could somehow experience "eternal pleasure in heaven" while the vast majority suffer in eternal agony. So your earlier comment of "Thanks for destroying my country for some fucking oil" ... well, that was also due to Yahweh's will so who are you to question it? Seriously ... that's one of the counter-arguments when atheists talk about Yahweh ... theists often respond with "Who are YOU to question GOD!". Second, this idea that prayer is somehow effective leads many Abrahamic theists to portray Yahweh as the hero regardless of the outcome. A 1 in 1,000,000,000 success rate means that "God's Miraculous Healing" worked and the 999,999,999 deaths become "It's God's will ... they're in a better place" all with zero real-world evidence showing that any of it actually exists. So called "Christian Scientists" have literally sat back and watched their children die from easily treatable diseases based on the belief that "only prayer can cure". And when the child dies they sit back and proclaim "it's God's will" and go on with their lives because "they're in a better place". For Christians the bible and most of the different sects say that belief in Yahweh and praying to Yahweh are effective tools to deal with real world problems but always with the built-in excuse that the failure is either due to a lack of faith on the part of the person praying or some variant of "mysterious ways" implying that "God's will" requires all of the pain, suffering and death to "weed out the unworthy" while still proclaiming that Yahweh's love is perfect, unconditional and all-encompassing. . I won't speak for anyone other than myself but the real reason this bugs me out is that religious groups prey on the scared, lonely, ill and grieving to surrender their lives, effort, relationships and (oh yeah) money to promote this unsupported belief that what we have now (life on Earth) is nothing more than a rehearsal for "something better" after we die. And the worst part of this is that most of the con-artists involved don't realize that they're con-artists ... they actually believe the nonsense they spew.

[@blakecarson6555]

@@vinced5024 You'll be alright. Nobody cares what you believe in. The brotherhood is so much stronger than belief or lack thereof. Good luck with basic training. It'll be over before you know it.

[@dougrasmussen5444]

I never "deconverted", I never could accept the mythology of religion from a very early age.

[@arandompanda1349]

You literal modern world Einstein

[@cyllxx9112]

@@arandompanda1349 or any European

[@blackcyph3r460]

Shreya Gupta haha i forgot about the story of Ghanesh

[@shridharbiju7370]

I completely get it. Maybe because it was because I was exposed to many religions at a young age and I had great interest in space, anthropology and paleontology(over achieving Indian parent expections) but it serious didn't make any sense when there were natural explanations for a large majority of how thinks work that contradicts religion.

[@DD-d6d3]

Same

[@grantyboy0311]

The only thing more embarrassing than singing in public, rapping in public.

[@yogeshbansal4211]

I was so religious when i was young . I had classes at 6 in the morning when i was in school and It took me 45 minutes to get ready and 15 minute bike ride to the classes . You can imagine being a kid waking up was so hard but still i used to get up at 4:45 so that i can go to temple . Although i have adopted atheism now. I have never regretted the time I spent every day in the temple. Now i know better and i use that time now to work on myself

[@Griffolion0]

"Atheists who deconverted were never truly religious." - That's simply the "no true Scotsman" fallacy.

[@tomastavlov1168]

I would argue that the foundation of Christianity which is founded off of the roman pagan rooted catholicism, has led to know one understanding the truth of the bible bc of lies and traditions that are ironically warned of in the same texts. I would like to ask drew a question. Does he see and answer any from a particular place better than others?

[@shayla106]

Erik Walker How is someone trying stating what I feel a fact? That’s not a fact unless you can read my mind/empath. Unless the person clearly states this you can’t just twists their words to make yourself feel better.

[@tomastavlov1168]

@@horrificpleasantry9474 I'm very aware of it. The foundation is still the same. Catholic/Christianity was not the true church from the beginning. It was not built by the apostles. It was founded by the roman state system more so.

[@tomastavlov1168]

@@shayla106 well according to drew, personal experience doesnt hold weight. So what you feel doesnt matter much. Also the bible never says faith is based on what you feel but what you do. As stated, Christianity is a false founded belief that simply uses the scriptures to establish itself. Religion is man made, the truth is more than religion.

[@CorvusCorone68]

@bryan diaz varela if you were serious, the "no true Scotsman" line refers to what a Scotsman wears under his kilt, or rather the lack thereof; if you were joking, nvm and carry on

[@bjarnes.4423]

"Oh that baby which is way too young to understand the concept of a god totally believes in him. He's just lying about it!"

[@j.oaklley8965]

Jesus or hell.

[@xyouthe]

@@j.oaklley8965 normal carpenter scammer or fake place that looks like it was made up by a 6yo

[@j.oaklley8965]

Anyone got proof Jesus is fake???

[@xyouthe]

@@j.oaklley8965 no one is saying jesus is fake, he was a real person most likely, but not a holy messenger of God. there is no proof to explain jesus on either size of the argument. the bible is not credible. thats the idea of atheist and agnostics: there is no proof for it so id rather not believe in something that is a lie possibly. although there are proof for certain things being fake in religion, like the idea that god created man which is disproved by evolution which has piles upon piles of intelligent scientific research put into it over decades

[@j.oaklley8965]

Jesus is Gods son.

[@bcjammer]

Halfway through and just noticed your "BS" on essential oils sign! XD LOVE IT. I belong to a DEEPLY religious family and one of my family members sells essential oils *facepalm. Thankfully I've recently found a few family members who aren't believers. They're not anywhere near my age but good to see older and younger family members (by several decades both ways) feel as I do...we're still in the minority in our family and still closeted though