5 MASSIVE Lore Details in Batman: Arkham Shadow

[@themadtitan7603]

I loved what Camouflaj did with Crane. They retroactively made him the subtle big bad of the Arkham series who initially worked in the system to unleash the inmates' shadows & (in)directly led to them being villains. This is what I hoped out of Strange in Arkham City & it now makes his defeat in Knight much more cathartic imo.

[@WyattDucar]

Exactly in fact Arkham Shadow really makes me hate Crane way more then Arkham Aslyum and even Arkham Knight it kinda makes the scene from Arkham Aslyum where he gets almost eaten by Killer Croc leaving only his damage face and his ending in Arkham Knight a lot more deserving and satisfying for his actions in Shadow.

[@ItsButterBean1020]

Wait I didn’t think of that one, yeah it makes a lot of sense if Scarecrow created the other villains

[@The_Phantasm]

8:37 You can find a picture of his first wife on his desk in Arkham Origins. As for what happens after that, it's confirmed that like the comics they divorced and Jim remarried to detective Sarah Essen because in Arkham City the code officer Elvis Jones tells Batman Gordon gave them was "Sarah" which is an obvious reference to her.

[@NightRunner2099]

There's also the whole thing Gordon having Lancelot syndrome that Harvey Bullock mentions on the extortion files in Arkham Origins as a way of subjugating Gordon.

[@sleepylmguy9968]

⁠​⁠@@NightRunner2099what is Lancelot syndrome?

[@NightRunner2099]

@@sleepylmguy9968 well, tbh I couldn't find a definition for it anywhere but that's how Bullock phrases it in Arkham Origins. As for why Bullock uses it, it's because Lancelot the knight had an affair with king Arthur's wife if I remember correctly. He's basically saying Gordon is susceptible to having an affair.

[@ValueNetwork]

Scarecrow taking Hugo Strange’s job at blackgate is really interesting, because it’s clear when you go into Stranges former office in game that he didn’t really clean up after himself and all of his experiments and equipment were left behind. There’s a straight up torture chamber left in there. I think it’s highly probable that Craine saw all of this (Or Harley told him what her predecessor was like. It was probably both) and he figured out that Strange was preparing for a war against crime/Batman and he was using criminals as test subjects for his game (something that Craine was obviously inspired by). He obviously didn’t know everything about Stranges plan but he knew enough to evade capture from Tyger, operate both inside and outside of Arkham city and stay hidden during protocol 10. If Arkham city was a chess game between Strange and Bruce: Scarecrow was able to predict the chess openings that the 2 sides would use and use that knowledge to his advantage so he could survive and challenge the victor.

[@alexthekitsune8740]

That's not all See Strange knew tyger needed an update so he either talked to scsrescrow on making a chemical or looked at his notes to make formula that reverses the fear toxin. Instead of having fear you have no fear. That's why tyger is so tough in Arkham city

[@walangaccount8984]

Arkhamverse Scarecrow ain't just a villain to Batman but Gotham itself.

[@carly_airlines]

"you can see his hot wife" lol

[@gotchatale2640]

🧐

[@milkiassamuel780]

I really loved how this game recontextualises Two-Face's origin in such a clever way as they were very careful with what lore they established in previous Arkham games and used said small details to make this very compelling take on Two-Face's origin as the Rat King and his and Harvey's brotherly bond with Bruce Wayne. It is also crazy to think that Scarecrow played a substantial role in creating multiple Batman villains like Two-Face, Harley Quinn, Ventriloquist, and Poison Ivy (?); it really makes his build-up as the main villain of Arkham Knight feel a lot more earned. BTW, the amount of hidden details in this game really is cool to see, especially since I never knew there were references to The Question, Martian Manhunter, James Gordon Jr and Peyton Riley.

[@BrandonJames2016]

Yayyyy I love seeing more arkham shadow content since I can’t play this game. Cool that the question is in the game and honestly he would work so well in these games. That’s so cool to get another Martian manhunter reference . Scarecrow being the true villain of this series is so correct he’s responsible for sm.

[@ykarus9343]

Scarecrow's toxin in the comics, on the other hand, helped Batman get laid, a few times. Seriously. In Dark Detective, he and Silver St. Cloud were high on fear gas and had sex in the Batcave, to feel safer (while she had a fiancé). And in The Brave and the Bold 197, Batman married and had a daughter with Selina because he faced his fear of being alone, which the toxin had revealed.

[@josephdent6825]

Damn Scarecrow being a good wingman 😅😂

[@IceCold_Carter]

I’ll have what he’s having 😂😅

[@kendi5391]

Thankfully Onomatopea got rid of Silver St.

[@TheWhiteWolf6911]

Let's not forget that with Crane as head of the rehabilitation dept. he would have had access to ALL the prisoners put in Blackgate during Origins. This includes people like; Croc who seemed like a big scaly mob enforcer in that game but in city he's a cannibalistic psychopath who's more animal than man (the animal being his Shadow), Mad Hatter whose psyche seemed to be MUCH worse in City and Knight comparatively to Origins (proceeds to use men, children, and even Batman to play "Alice"), and even Joker himself who was treated by Harley using the program Crane had employed to bring Joker's Shadow out (he literally experiences the same hallucinogenic dream sequence down to almost the exact same Shadow Batman that Batman sees, because they both see Batman as a killer and that is the manifestation of his killer instinct, only in Origins Joker projects that onto the night Batman tried to save his life from the vat).

[@etherious_spyro4496]

“You can see his hot wife” 😭😭😭 bro I had to rewind to see if I heard that right

[@PeterGriffin698]

The true villain was us the players for giving the enemies brain damage and probably ptsd.

[@GothamPaladin]

Straight up facts Peter

[@omglol8425]

Hey beter

[@benwashacked3350]

Would you rather take down criminals ethically or epically

[@paulakroy2635]

Batman beats up poor people - idiot who doesn’t read Batman

[@WalkerSlayer9878]

In the words of Hugo Strange “Have you ever even thought to consider that all of this is your fault?”💀

[@cadeshanley218]

19:15 I will always see Scarecrow as Batman's secondary archenemy if Joker is not on the scene.

[@csquared84]

Either him, Riddler, or Penguin

[@kendi5391]

I honestly just see Scarecrow or Two-Face as arch enemy, both have are better mirrors of Batman and Bruce Wayne.

[@cadeshanley218]

@kendi5391 Never downgrade The Joker. He's the true opposite of The Dark Knight. Yin and Yang. Order and Chaos. Matter and Anti-Matter.

[@kendi5391]

@@cadeshanley218 You're telling me an anarchistic clown is more convicing as the nemesis of a vigilantie who uses fear as a weapon than a psychologist that specifies in fear, has a gas that makes you hallucinate your greatest fears? Not to mention both Batman and Scarecrow use their childhood fears as costumes.

[@cadeshanley218]

@kendi5391 That's why I see Scarecrow as a 2ndary archenemy to Batman. And the fact Joker and Scarecrow could be seen as "Comedy" and Tragedy. Like that smiley and frowny face in plays.

[@jayraider521614]

This needs to be remastered into a full blown Arkham PS5 XBox game. The more I learn is in this game it's upsetting we got Suicide Squad instead of this on the main consoles

[@Naruku2121]

Court of owls as the next game with origins of Dick Grayson as Robin definitely seems in the cards. Teaming up with the Question to help an Early Batman to broaden his view and ask the hard questions about Gotham's Elite while protecting Dick from the court would be good.

[@spobsquare]

“Maybe the real villain was the friends we made along the way” 🤪🤪🤪

[@TJBeyonder2814]

The Question is why favourite Dc Hero besides batman he’s such a cool and underrated character I’m glad he’s getting more attention

[@ternative]

something i found interesting in arkham knight is after talking to harvey in the gcpd , joker will say that harvey is at least halfway interesting thanks to batman. direct quote "Oh, Bats, you just bring out the best in everyone! Your enemies, your friends- even your bestest frenemies like Harv, here: he's at least halfway interesting these days, and it's all thanks to you" showing batmans guit for turning harvey into two-face from arkham shadow although the devs of knight never knew the rat king storyline would be created.

[@cole6843]

Yeah Harvey's origin here fits in so well with the other arkham games!

[@paulakroy2635]

Anarky and the question talking is a great deep cut reference. If you don’t know originally the question was created by Ditko and based on objectivist principles ( O’Neil fixed him later). Anarky ( at least the later part of his run) was also based on objectivism principles.

[@andrewdau1299]

I thought Anarky was based on anarchism? Or anarcho-syndicalism to be specific?

[@cole6843]

They did something different with Scarecrow. Instead of spraying people with fear toxin he was obsessed with bringing out people's dark sides.

[@iamdazzled7941]

Agreed . He was very psychologically damaging even without the toxin . A toxin himself

[@panoskatrin4910]

Something which is not talked enouch is how the fear gas could have affected harvey the same way it affects batman in the arkham knight by bringing the biggest fear of batman (becoming joker) to life (in combination of course with jokers blood).Something similiar could be happeing with harvey with having two face as shown slowly taking over as we experience something similiar if not the same in arkham knight

[@DorkNight5555]

The Question is one of my favorite heroes and I love that he is in the Arkham verse now. I suggest reading the run by Dennis O’Neil for anyone who is interested in the character.

[@WyattDucar]

Also I just wanted to say that Elijah Wood did an amazing job as Dr Crane (plus he sounded a lot like dino andrade who voices the scarecrow in Arkham Asylum.) I think he would be great as a live action Scarecrow/Crane in either in James Gunn's DCU Batman story or more likely in Matt Reeves's The Batman 2?

[@Maikigai]

Joker may be Batman’s greatest nemesis, but he’s never really the “main” villain. As Dent said in TDK, “The Joker’s just a mad dog.” He’s chaos. Some utilize that chaos, but it never goes well for them.

[@WillieTroxler]

I've always loved seeing more Arkham Shadow content. It's so awesome that the question is in the game and definitely would work very well in these games 💯❤️🎮🕹️

[@dychrisshandonsmith1242]

Keep it up on your work and this video and channel I love this video and channel Thanks you for your video and channel I love Batman Arkham all franchise

[@FilmInsanity]

I hope all new Arkham games take place between Arkham Shadow and Arkham Asylum. There's so much that can be explored then something after Arkham Knight.

[@Nicolas-lz6pg]

the only thing that could be worth after Arkham Knight is a game about the creation of the League and how Bruce face the damage of Scarecrow and the knightfall protocol on Batman's identity

[@BestManGamer]

oh yeah I'm a member, LESSS GOOOOO

[@GothamPaladin]

Appreciate you!

[@Void0602]

I love how The Question almost guesses Batman’s identity and that he’s being trained by wildcat and hopefully leads to something with the JSA

[@shadowstephen8296]

12:09 When you mentioned how there is one Scarface puppet, you showed the clip from Arkham Knight that says the one in GCPD lockup isn’t the original and is a Joker knock-off which means there is definitely more than one Scarface puppet

[@TheLoneSasquatch]

I love how Crane and Joker just vibe immediately in Arkham Asylum. 2 psychopaths that just want to watch the world burn.

[@Atticus-Catnipp]

Scarecrow didn’t ruin Batman’s legacy. His legend is still intact and Crane lost in front of the camera. If he ever recovers from Arkham Knight, everyone will make fun of him by being beaten by his own toxin

[@themadtitan7603]

11:55 I know you don't consider it canon but for what it's worth, in the SS:KTJL tie-in comic "Kill Arkham" Arnold Wesker is shown to be alive and receives Scarface again before being accidentally killed during a riot.

[@blistow3519]

Get what you’re saying here but it’s also worth saying outside of what you head canon as canon those comics are barely canon to just SSKTJL like there’s things in those comics that are contradicted by the game so I think we just have to assume like most Arkham tie in comics they aren’t really canon.

[@themadtitan7603]

​@@blistow3519 Indeed most Arkham tie-in comics are contradictory but I was pointing it out for what it's worth. Like if someone just wants to know what might've happened to Arnold & take that tidbit specifically as his canonical ending.

[@b1ackspid3r43]

In the comics Gordon’s ex-wife (Barbara & Jr. mother) leaves for some reason I can’t remember which leads to Gordon getting remarried to his new wife Sarah which she is mentioned in City, so I’m assuming James Gordon Jr. becomes that psychopath and Joker probably kills Sarah which is why Gordon says Barbara is the only family he has left.

[@genesismultiverse4896]

*15:31* what actually happened Crane: *I HAVE TO SHOOT THIS GUN TO TEACH YOU GUUUUUUUUUUYYYYYYSSSS NANANANNANANANANANA SCARCROW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!*

[@genesismultiverse4896]

To explain it makes batman beating crane more satisfying

[@ashtraysonsundays4274]

Jimbo has a hot wife. Ra's has a hot daughter. It's like poetry, it rhymes

[@joelanthonylim6792]

Fun fact, the guy who voices the Question is David Dastmalchian, who appeared in The Dark Knight, Dune, The Suicide Squad as the Polka Dot Man, the lead in Late Night with the Devil, and more.

[@mrditkovich5634]

My favorite reference was the poster that Joe gives you is signed by Rita Farr (Elasti-Girl of The Doom Patrol)

[@jamespopcornfrfr]

i think the true villain of the arkham universe is the friends we made along the way

[@gj3717]

there are more than one scarfaces, there is a short story about an inmate who makes more for when joker would break them.

[@GrayEmme]

14:40 YES! Compeltly agree scarecrow is the true villain, which is why I really wish he got a proper boss fight, I left my comment on the Arkham knight vid but I think a scarecrow as the grim reaper in a hallucination for a final boss would’ve been a perfect final boss to the Arkham franchise

[@rennox0391]

The whiteboard at 8:39 got me Bigfoot Elvis Dracula I dont know what that says But Bigfoot and Elvis as an option before Dracula is great

[@kaydencurtis6620]

The true villain will always be Harley Quinn for being there in the middle and the. Getting her undeserved win on Arkham Batman in that fan game.

[@w1ndgeneral226]

Technically that was Brainiac, not Batman.

[@kaydencurtis6620]

@@w1ndgeneral226 Oh my mistake I forgot the real batman is being held hostage on his ship.

[@w1ndgeneral226]

@kaydencurtis6620 What was left was an empty husk of what use to be the smartest man on earth, used by a smarter being in the universe.

[@reddays8448]

Why did they retcon crane turning two face because in the audio interviews WITH STRANGE It says it was someone else’s

[@ashronald1834]

W VIDEO next time Mention the discord Please

[@PeterGriffin698]

W ASH

[@GothamPaladin]

I WILL REMEMBER

[@BritishGeek101]

My name was missing from the members at the end 😢

[@GothamPaladin]

I’m so sorry :(, I’ll update it next week for sure, apologies once again.

[@BritishGeek101]

@ it’s all good my dude, I’ll take it as karma for roasting you on stream 😂

[@Eggman44617]

You know what else is Massive?

[@samuel0451]

They did retcon Two-Face's origin story. In Arkham Knight, when you take him to GCPD before Batman gets revealed, he will talk about Batman putting a guy at the docks who is responsible for his deformation. But in Arkham Shadow, it's because of Crane in a courthouse. Huh.

[@KingKlear]

The place where the defendant sits in a courtroom is called the dock.

[@samuel0451]

@KingKlear Oh I didn't know that. My bad.

[@lovetodrawstufff3644]

I'm not sure if it explains or even says much information but would love a vid on what Arkham batman was doing inbetween games

[@mateoratto4653]

You know what else is massive?

[@wolff6592]

Freaking great game played. One of the top three best games ever for vr along with asgard's wrath 2 and assassin creed. Asgard's wrath 2 is huge still haven't finished it n I've played regular since it came out. But anyhoo Hope the dlc coming this year gives us scarface scarecrow and the riddler. There's a secret phone number for the phone booths that give you the info. He never talked about it

[@ClxudTxny]

so wait is that theory of anarchy being killed by croc true since he’s not in custody anymore?! damnnnn that’s a dark ass way to confirm the rumors rocksteady

[@nikolakolev6921]

"5 massive lore details In batman: Arkham shadow" cool but you know what else is massive the loooooooooooooow taper fade

[@chaseflanagan1319]

Hey got fun video at least for me so make a video of arkham shadow of all characters including ones that have small cameo roles joker, boles, branden, etc. Just talk about each i think be a bit fun cause we might get some cool details for each one.

[@kristhe7even44]

I wish the next arkham game features characters like montoya, killer moth, humpty dumpty, the tweedle cousins, pamela before she turns into poison ivy, the maroni and falcone family fighting each other and zucco and thorne, the phantasm, jason and many more

[@Slo.c5]

You should make a recap of the Arkham series after Shadow

[@blistow3519]

A Question video game in the Arkhamverse could be really interesting and work well (I’m imagining a mixture of Arkham gameplay and LA Noir

[@Slargany]

What is the soundtrack at 0:49? I've been looking for it for so long, so the name would be greatly appreciated

[@WyattDucar]

Not gonna Arkham Shadow really makes me hate Crane way more then Arkham Aslyum and even Arkham Knight it kinda makes the scene from Arkham Aslyum where he gets almost eaten by Killer Croc leaving only his damage face and his ending in Arkham Knight a lot more deserving and satisfying for his actions in Shadow.

[@TheQu3stion]

The question, hey that’s me

[@tjjonesartwork]

Would love to team up with The Question in a game

[@DarthTingleBinks]

I think they should continue the Arkham universe in a similar manner to Suicide Squad. I have yet to play it (though the Digital Deluxe Edition was on sale for $5 yesterday, so I bought it), so I can't speak to the story and continuity, but continuing the universe, either through prequels following the events of the RCM games, or sequels following Knight where we play as other characters. A Batgirl game would be awesome. Or maybe a Dynamic Duo game, seeing Dick become Robon. Hell, why not do both? It's looking like Barbara and Dick join the bat fam around the same time judging by the events of Arkham Shadow.

[@ZoraCatone]

Why is Babs Oracle this early in the mythos?

[@thefunplace2b683]

Do you ever feel like when you play in Arkham City as Batman and there's like no music and it's just the ambience of the city and all the thugs and inmates talking do you ever feel like you're getting stalked in that game cuz I have that feeling a lot when I play it

[@featherguardian6023]

I do see Joker and Scarecrow being the Main Villains in this Universe

[@WyattDucar]

You can make the argument that the joker was the main villain for Batman himself the same could be said for Scarecrow while Strange and Ra’s al Ghul given their actions in city starting with origins Based on the recordings tapes themselves are the real true Overarching villains of the franchise given their actions within the game. But in terms of simplicity you could say that, Joker, scarecrow, strange, and Ra’s al Ghul were the real main villains of the franchise as a whole!

[@Makke67]

bro ik that everybody says ssktjl isnt canon cause you dont like it but it still is doesnt disrespect conroy and conroy said he evennliked the idea and arkham batman would have wanted to be killed in that situation too

[@gazellebeast3995]

Why tf isn’t Martian man hunter in sstktjl? Also do you think the John jones on the white board in Arkham knight is another Easter egg towards Martian man hunter or is that someone completely different? I thought it was a different spelling traditionally.

[@YASIRKHAN-u4j]

In the picture it's bat girl not martian man hunter I looked into this and found it was batgirl aka oracle

[@rudycastillo8928]

Maybe there wasn’t reference for Gordon jr maybe that why there in knight Gordon said Barbara was the only family

[@shadowstephen8296]

Is it still canon that from Arkham origins to Arkham Asylum that it is only about a decade or even less than that?

[@primal8724]

Yes from Arkham origins to Asylum is about 8-10 years ..

[@shadowstephen8296]

@ Am I the only one who thinks that is a very short period for everything that supposedly happened between Origins and Asylum?

[@infernobat8325]

​@@shadowstephen8296 you are not the only one even i do believe its very short

[@Practically_Dripku]

Lol so suicide squad got retconned 😂

[@spiderking714]

Wait I thought SSKTJL was cannon?

[@GoofyRtx4090rizzlerGoobrrr]

Do you know what else is MASSIVE? 😈

[@nicholasmartins3030]

How the question even see ?

[@iamdazzled7941]

I wish they gave black mask a bigger chance

[@dawudabdulali3827]

Nah the real villan is riddler, everyone knows that.

[@zacharyhambaugh6744]

Do people consider ssktjl non-canon because of how bad it is?

[@primal8724]

Yeah mostly but like it or not it is canon to the Arkham universe

[@kwayneboy1524]

It felt pointless and needless

[@kingb3746]

7:46 you can see his hot wife 😂

[@BatmanxMasterchief]

Excuse me?

[@TheLoneSasquatch]

Maybe his wife and son left him like in between tdk and tdkr

[@BatMan-qr3kf]

So i have a question, is kill the justice league not being canon stated by any of the companies that own the franchise and actually control the cannon like rocksteady or wb? Or is it just that the community doesnt like it so we dont consider it canon? The reason i ask is that there were a ton of people back in the day saying that origins isnt canon and then knight and now shadow confirm that it is.

[@nigartheterrible8125]

I don't think there's been an official statement that Suicide Squad isn't canon so unfortunately it is.

[@primal8724]

It's 100% conon to the Arkham universe the only reason why they keep saying it's not canon is bc how bad the game was ..

[@IceCold_Carter]

Did the girl Marissa say Question figured out Batman was Bruce???

[@schnoops1004]

Since when is ssktjl not canon

[@ZoraCatone]

So you CAN pronounce Ivy's name right.

[@slightlyfunny2128]

I don't care what anyone says, Suicide Squad is cannon

[@EddAnders2005]

The true villain of this channel is ssktjl

[@theoneiros8380]

"The Question is regarded as a better detective than Batman in most cases" what? Bro, plz, do better research next time..

[@justinvanveenar2953]

10th like❤ early asf

[@attackontitan4384]

Hi 👋🏻

[@jordanbergot3500]

Just looked it up and as far as I saw suicide squad kills the justice league is still canon so that is a lie and believe me I wish it was

[@punkvince8680]

W

[@bigmacemperor]

SSKTJL is canon

[@blistow3519]

Yes I get why people don’t want it to be canon but we have to treat it as canon especially for theorising the studio currently treats it as canon so any Easter eggs and references in that can and should be factored in to theory’s. E.g. James Gordon Jr yes he’s referred in shadows but outside of knowing the comics (not a reliable way to theorise as these games have always been very different to the comics) we would have no idea if he becomes a killer in this world but because of SSKTJL we know he does and that the character is clearly in the mind of developers and writers meaning we might see him in a future thing

[@Suddencrown43]

Suicide Squad IS canon??? Don't know if you genuinely thought it wasn't or are just being a lil whiner, but it is.

[@lovetodrawstufff3644]

Yeah batman was the true villain of the games 😂😂batman was breaking skulls all night like in Arkham Knight you can literally drive into people with your Batmobile 😂 he was destroying public properties left right and centre you can put gel bombs onto people I believe the famous batman line is no guns no killing but I am allowed to shoot you with an explosive gel bombs 😂 I love these games to bits they are all a masterpiece in my opinion everything but TSSKTJL Kevin did an amazing job in the game with what he was given he did an outstanding job it's just how they handle it but eh all Arkham games are top tier storytelling for comic book games and games in general

[@brianachim2670]

Gotham is the worst city on Earth 😂

[@MrDannyhell666]

I hate to stick up for suicide squad kill the justice league but it blatantly is canon just because you said it isnt dosen't make it true. Just sounds dumb,other then that decent video. Plus in arkham knight the flash and superman references and obviously the arkham shadow as well martian manhunter reference.

[@kwayneboy1524]

Lets call it canon adjacent

[@joshpayne6119]

Oh mate grow up, Suicide squad is canon to the arkham-verse, get over it, its part of the story

[@christianhillman876]

Just cause you don't like KTJL doesn't make it not canon

[@MrAnt728]

I genuinely disagree on Scarecrow being the "real villain" due to him creating those villains. The point of Batman villains are that most of them were turned that way either because of batman, society, or no reason at all. The fact that some of the villains were made by Scarecrow makes those villains 1 dimensional

[@umtic]

Scarecrow is a unique villain tho. He focuses a lot on concepts like id and fears which is the reason why villains are villains in the first place. I don't think this steals from other characters and just makes Scarecrow's views stronger

[@MrAnt728]

@@umtic If those "concepts" and fears are acutally a thing to put into their minds, wouldn't that make those villains who stayed like that for years be 1 dimensional?

[@umtic]

@@MrAnt728 it's not a thing he puts to their minds. they are already there, he just makes them easier to come out, believing people obeying their instincts would be better for them. Crane didn't make Arnold commit a crime or Harvey lash out at a defendant. They probably would have become villains anyway, he just accelerated the process

[@MrAnt728]

@@umtic That wouldn't create them as villians tho, just enhance their motives since they were gonna turn villains anyway