5 Myths About Modern Yu-Gi-Oh!

[@banmonsterg.8245]

Video in a nutshell: "Stop comparing the Yu-Gi-Oh you played on the playground to Tournament Yu-Gi-Oh"

[@SEMIA123]

"do you really expect to be able to play the same deck ten years later" *Looks at my blue eyes deck* You can't stop me from trying

[@plastictrumpet6862]

Tom Burning Abyss is 5 years in and still going

[@garymcginnis8511]

Blackwing players be like

[@cyberend1863]

Yubel still going.

[@maxchenmusterhausen5311]

But more important, its a bullshit comment from him. At least what he added to it. In the context of ygo, yes. But saying "expect that in any game" is simply stupid. I hate to open that box again, but: magic. Commander. My decks will work 100% fine even 10 years later. That i can 100% support. Given that years old decklists can be run without the simplest of problems. In a gigantic eternal format. If you cant do that, your game just has design-flaws built in. Saying such things makes me angry. Yes, i am often times biased against modern ygo. But that stems from the fact that i have seen it work, playing magic side by side with it. The magic designers are simply geniuses, ygo´s designers on the other hand clearly are driven by some suits on top demanding changes to push new product. But a card-game can work nearly without power-creep. Its simply a choice.

[@DrunkManSquakin666]

@@maxchenmusterhausen5311 Unfortunately, this is becoming less true as of late, due to WotC eviscerating their R&D department in favor of selling new sets with two or three ridiculous cards sprinkled in and destroying other formats in the process. Formats that are equally-important to the health of the game. The new Boros chick. Winoda, I believe her name was? The "Joiner of Forces" chick. She is utterly destroying Standard, which is the primary gateway for new players. And don't get me started on Oko. What ISN'T that guy banned in? Commander and... uh... Yeah. Thankfully we have yet to see another Affinity fiasco or Eldrazi Winter, but it's only a matter of time at this rate. :/ Still more competent than Konami is in terms of... well, NOT turning the game on its head overnight to the extent that even the top decks are obsolete in the blink of an eye because the new mechanic is just that damn broken, rather than having said decks slowly and organically phased out by way of power creep. But at the same time WotC is utter ass when it comes to keeping the game semi-affordable with meaningful reprints. Especially when it comes to eternal formats. Seriously, don't get me started on Secret Lair Ultimate Edition. WotC'll learn from their mistakes eventually, though, if they want Magic to survive. It's only a matter of time before someone wises up and cleans shop. As for Commander, well... I hate to be that guy, but you're talking about a casual format, not a competitive one where people are far more cutthroat in their strategies. Sure cEDH exists, but it's effectively a different format. And even in Commander, power creep is a thing. You'll almost never see a Golgari deck with Putrefy in it anymore, for example, because Maelstrom Pulse exists among many other options. The difference is that said power creep is more organic, even in competitive formats like Modern and Legacy. It's not so much the deck that still runs 10 years later, but the strategy and spirit thereof, after some minor tweaks have been made in the rare occasion that a better card for said strategy replaces something that was once in your deck. Also, even in Commander, new decks and strategies will pop up and likely affect how you run your deck from 10 years ago, what you add or subtract, because Steve insists on giving you a hard time with that new Kaijuu commander from Return to Ikoria with a less-confusing Mutate, which has some nasty additions from Return to Return to Return to Return to Return to Return to Return to Ravnica, Gruul Empire of a Thousand Tribes. Or perhaps that new angel from Avacyn Re-Re-Restored just made his old Kaalia deck much deadlier and more consistent than you're used to because he swapped out a few more cards and added some nasties from ten sets ago that synergise with her to make it so and complement his new strategy.

[@cybernetic_fighter_z_the_h9362]

Myth number 6: Cimoooooo and Dzeeff are the same person from 2 separate timelines.

[@kingv-raptor840]

That’s a fact

[@TombstoneSyrup]

@@kingv-raptor840 no it's not. They are the same person in the same timeline

[@rudyramadhana4127]

they are 2 siblings in real life

[@Ichigo90]

Cimo is Dzeef from a mirror universe.

[@hutaocleookitavoidshiki1470]

Takes a drink each time Dzeeff bring up chaos Maxx dragon.

[@GreatBeardicus]

You might get dead from this game.....

[@barelyprotestant5365]

No thanks; I like my liver.

[@juri101]

...and Altergeist

[@rosewarrior706]

Well maxx is a fine boss monster it’s not meant to be run in pure blue eyes it’s meant to be in a ritual deck it’s for when you want to crap out a big beater it’s fine with how easy it is to summon imagine if you had to kaiju it and that was the only way to get over it right now most people have an out to it in their deck

[@sun332s7]

It’s a good example card though

[@MrTaikobo]

I actually got back into this game in February and the first deck I learned with was Salamangreat. And when my cousin taught me how the deck worked and how quick the combos were, I was blown away and taken aback. Like “holy shit, I blinked once and I see a board with monsters and back row already!” After studying the game and the various decks and summoning mechanics, as well as trying out various decks and looking into the market place, I learned a bunch of new things I didn’t know about. Tournaments, an actual market place where cards fluctuate in price depending on various elements, what were considered meta and rogue and why, hand traps and how they’re used, what strategies are good at going first or second, win conditions, etc. It was a lot more complex than how the old form of Yugioh was, yet at the same time, it was exciting. Because of everything I learned, I helped my friends recreate their decks and I started to learn more about the subtle nuances of the game, like ratios, how to set up a strong draw engine, what cards synergize well with others, what combos can lead to an otk going second and what combos lead to a strong board going first. I feel like the game is a lot more fun because it has a higher skill ceiling but, I can understand why people dislike it. It’s too much to handle but, I love a good challenge

[@onionlamento]

The biggest myth is that there used to be a video like this a year ago with electrumite in the thumbnail.

[@Luminousplayer]

chaos max is the best card because it floats itself back for a new video...

[@shakeweller]

I don't think that when people say: "YGO was more popular back in the day."-they are talking about competetive players. For 99% of the players, especially those who watched the anime as a kid and got some cards from a starter deck and/or a couple of packs, going to a tournament was not even a thing at all. So tournaments aren't even something that people consider when they think about the "game" YGO...

[@robledosarhento1567]

Frankly, there's no reliable way to measure the "popularity" of a card game outside of tournament attendance. But I agree with you. Increased tournament numbers would tell us that there are more and more competitive players. However, it's also possible that at the same time, the franchise is losing popularity outside of the competitive crowd.

[@mad-dash6448]

Bruh, as a kid in elementary, Yugioh IRL was just like the anime. Everyone had their cards on deck, and was READY for someone to try and challenge them.😂😂 It’d be cool to see that come back lol

[@bbro43]

I remember school playground Yu-Gi-Oh where we all had our decks with us every day and found a corner outside away from the wind and just played. No one spent hundreds of dollars on special cards. It was booster packs, starter decks, and structure decks mixed together. I compared it to Anime Yu-Gi-Oh. That was the style. Decks didn't have synergy because when the only way to get cards is Christmas and your Birthday, rare cards became super rare and you played with the commons that you had.

[@leaffinite2001]

@@bbro43 sounds like you miss being a kid, not anything yugioh related my guy

[@bbro43]

@@leaffinite2001 sounds like your being annoying on a Saturday night commenting on replies from 2 years ago where I am agreeing with the original comment.

[@SaiyanInTraining]

Anyone that complains about yugioh prices need to try Magic.

[@edb36mar]

*Jace wants to know your location*

[@diamonshade7484]

Are they worse

[@artkondratyev4307]

@@diamonshade7484 Look up Black Lotus in Magic

[@diamonshade7484]

@@artkondratyev4307 damn

[@guythat779]

Doesn't make it less bad

[@ghostdragon2854]

Old school players on Duelingbook: Classic, no syncro, xyz, pendulum, link, fusion, handtraps, archetypes, meta, effect monsters, quick play spells...

[@berserkerciaran]

Tbf, a game of caveman yugioh once in a while isn't that bad

[@ghostdragon2854]

@@berserkerciaran yeah, but if you want a caveman game don't ban things like that, just make up a deck from your favorite older archetype. Hero's, DM, Blue Eyes, etc

[@berserkerciaran]

@@ghostdragon2854 I mean, a caveman deck dies turn one to any meta deck, so they probably want to duel another similar deck

[@ghostdragon2854]

@@berserkerciaran yeah, that makes sense. Unless it's a slow burn deck like Striker or and form of burn

[@mrkisukes]

The whole "non-target self protection" effect is best on boss monsters that require more resources to get out because you don't want all of that to go to waste. If the monster is easy to summon and recycle, then it's not as necessary cause the commitment is lower and its viable stems from utility and not just bulldozing.

[@payne9682]

We should call the Mythbusters and see if the "New Volcanic Support" Myth is actually possible at all. Day 272 of waiting for new Volcanic support to arrive

[@KumaPaws376]

Payne 96 still waiting

[@AkamexAris1023]

I commend your commitment to this

[@payne9682]

@@AkamexAris1023 Thank you kind sir :)

[@abdulrahmanyunis2838]

If that day comes I would like to see you topping every tournament!!!

[@pabloramos1022]

Hope you get it man. I will open a bottle of scotch once it comes out. To your name.

[@ArmorFrogEntertainment]

Last time I was this early, Firewall Dragon was still causing infinite loops.

[@shadowmasterp]

My old school shoe-box deck would have kicked any tournament decks ass... mainly because it was filled with banned cards.

[@xarshoon7157]

Mine was 35 copies of Pot of Greed and one of each exodia piece

[@asmylia9880]

Oldschool Yugioh: *_never gets reprints, nobody complains_* Modern Yugioh: *_card doesn't get an immediate reprint in the very next pack, everyone complains_* I see you, Phantazmay and Cynet Mining players!

[@Bladecharge]

That can be put in salamangreats very nicely

[@oranganewton]

@@Bladecharge oh they fit soooooo nicely. Been rocking a full wallet version of Salads, and I love these two cards

[@deproissant]

Eh, nobody complained because the concept of "reprints" wasn't even a thing back then. They just complained about how expensive the game is yada yada yada (which, as dzeeff pointed out in the case of Dark Armed formats, was true).

[@TLE1emeralds]

Still waiting for that Ojama Country Reprint 😂

[@mwagaha3343]

Nobody: Dzeeff: *And that's perfectly fine*

[@bob8mybobbob]

In a stunning turn of events, it takes more strategy and money to place well in a tournament then it does to do well against your friends at recess. Who knew?

[@austinlooney5061]

I don’t even play Yugioh but I’ve been watching your videos for 2ish years. I appreciate your understanding of competitive card games in general.

[@GA-KO.]

I think that when people say "Yugioh is not as popular anymore" they mean that the multi-media franchise of Yugioh isn't as popular

[@bbro43]

I've been on a kick binging Yu-Gi-Oh. I've made it through OG, GX, 5D's and Zexal. Almost done with Zexal II and I can see why people agree with this statement. They are not necessarily taking about the card game. Their saying they don't here anyone taking about the TV show.

[@mathunit1]

Those people should have been more clear then. :P

[@leaffinite2001]

@@bbro43 yeah, but im sure 20, 30 year olds barely gave a shit/talked about yugioh in 2005 either

[@leaffinite2001]

@@bbro43 haha i just realized i responded to 2 different comments by you! No wonder youre acting like an old cat. Get over it

[@andrewthedreamer7247]

nope we genuinely mean the card game all growing tournament numbers mean is that competitive yugioh is more popular than ever but the days when yugioh was at it's peak popularity it barely even had a competitive scene there's a fine line between competitive success and true success as competitive are not the only people you need playing the game to be successful that casual crowed has only continually withered away over the years with duel links being the biggest resurgence in casual play till they F*d that up by introducing the mech that made many casuals leave in the first place into duel links pendulums (i feel bad for players who hate pendulums and have no idea what links are cuz those are arguably even worse than pendulums)

[@motokuchoma]

5:00 re: your rogue deck comment. What is true for modern yugioh (and I think that's what these players are thinking about) is that a lot more cards are tailored to be fairly archetype-specific where old school yugioh often had very generically good cards (Raigeki, Harpie's Feather Duster, Summoned Skull etc.). If you're a "shoebox" player as you put it, just buying a single booster of a modern set generally isn't worth it, because even if you are lucky and pull a Pyro Phoenix for example, you don't really want to use it outside of a Salamangreat Deck, so the named archetype thing that became increasingly common even way back starting from the GX era gave the game a new feel to it, which I see as the "issue".

[@keyonj8815]

Basically this is about Yugi boomers

[@juri101]

_ok yugiboomer_

[@Vuohenmor]

Ok yugizoomer

[@oranganewton]

Shut up Mokuba

[@justretrospect8433]

Alright you Boomer

[@kcexecutive1898]

Lmao what is a yugi boomer

[@martynkalendar]

The reason why the #1 myth wasn't that Deep-Eyes White Dragon is the best card ever is because Deep-Eyes White Dragon is the best card ever

[@mrevilducky]

Deep-Eyes me harder daddy

[@martynkalendar]

You fool, Deep-Eyes is the besterest card there ever was, thusly bottomless trap hole isn't even powerful enough to activate in response to its amazing arrival

[@plague6566]

Send chaos max to the graveyard

[@angelbladeriven4170]

thank you alot for the video. I am a returning player. I played yugioh for fun and on video games only my latest one was yugi 5ds on the psp. I never played competitively but now I am starting to pick up the pace from your videos and cimo team sam x1 and other channels. thank you all for helping me return back to the game I love this game so much and I hope I keep up the pace and continue to play this game till I grow old with my kids :D thank you

[@Bio0012]

I like Modern Yu-gi-oh more than back then because there are so many cards that have interesting and fun strategies like Cyber Angels, Thunder Dragons, and the Witchcrafters. Also I played this card game since the beginning so I know what old school is like.

[@paytopray1468]

The only thing i dont like about modern yugioh is that it basically railroads you into playing link monsters in order to play any extra deck heavy decks

[@xarshoon7157]

Well your opinion on MR5?

[@1337h4x0r42]

I think my problem with modern Yu-Gi-Oh is the severe lack of a card that lets you draw 20 cards. I think the game would be a lot healthier if this card is also a quickplay spell that can target either player. This would make for a vibrant and definitely not toxic meta to just draw your whole deck with 1 spell.

[@Danny4bidden]

I'ma old school player,and i have to say that i ain't troubled by most of those things. The real problem with the actual game that is bothering me is: 1- You can't just simply go back to play. First,you need to throw away your old things,then you have to learn everything from the very beginning,after that,you have buy new cards,then you have to read every single detail about them,even if there are some cards that you know,cuz they do much more things now. And after learning how to use them,you still have to make sure they can do Synchro,Hand chain,meta,'pendullum',xyz,link,and even after that,you just find out that everything you just did is messed up. And with all the frustration,you almost give up on making a deck,cuz you're not having fun anymore. 2- You can't simply go back to play *with your friends*. When you finally manage to learn how to use everything,there is still the question,that everyone around you makes when you ask"Hey,wanna duel?". They always say:" didn't you read the BaNLiST!?". Yeah there's that. The fact that there is always a new banlist each month just makes you look at your deck and everyone around you saying that you are unable to duel. Then you have to take away the banlisted cards,buy new cards,re-build your entire deck,and most important thing,try not to give up. And when you finally managed to do everything above,you still have to know the rules about how to play a normal duel. And when you finally ask why is all that about,people just justify that"this is how it works on tournaments". I mean,goddangit,it's just a regular game,not a fricking tournament. anyways,that's the reason why i(at least i) don't actually like the new yugioh. It's not because it's hard, it's because it isn't that inviting.

[@rastrisfrustreslosgomez544]

Absolutely! The banlist is the shittiest thing about modern yugi. Back in the day when something was clearly nonsensical (last turn/emperor dragon/yata) it got banned and thats it. Now because something is dominant and people complain it gets the hammer of course after the set is no longer in sale and it stays there for a couple months maybe a year and if something is clearly nonsensical instead of banning that they fucking nerf it its soo damn annoying. For a while I tried to keep up with the banlist BS and after giving up nowadays I play with 3 copies of chiken games, 2 terramorphings, heavy storm and card destruction. I only play with 4 close friends of mine and they don't give a shit

[@Danny4bidden]

@@rastrisfrustreslosgomez544 Welp,that's why i play tag-force.

[@davidgzmn12345]

I wonder if the difference is simply that we grew up, so we went from middle schoolers playing our equally oblivious friends in the playground or, if we did play other more devoted players, they understood you're a little kid and wouldn't push you to follow the rules, but now that we are all adults most people who would want to play the game will want to play it properly. Maybe these older teens and adults playing yugioh at the beginning were just as focused on banned cards and rules but we didn't get to experience.

[@BradBrowncoatBrony]

Commenters don't understand modern Yu-Gi-Oh! ...2!

[@notscorchingsands9718]

Wow these people love complaining about a game they don't play.

[@nemesisalex9424]

And here I thought my dragon deck was too weak because I could only put around 2 negates at best in my first turn. Great video! 👍

[@cuauhtemocgonzales2530]

The first time I ever wanted to play Yu-Gi-Oh competitive, it was during the time Absolute Zero deck was good. I forgot if it was Anti Meta or Meta at that time. But when I found out that the deck was getting close to $400! I back down on even trying. I believe this was 2009-2010 idk somewhere around that time. But when I did get back to try to do competitive. That's when the HERO Structure deck came out. I already test it and everything online and was ready to go. But depression hit hard and had no motivation to even attempt.

[@EflowNivek]

The only thing I'd say about event attendence is back in old school Yugioh it was more costly because you had to drop $20 and there would be no packs. Now maybe my information might be wrong but I've heard now upon entry you get 5 packs which would make it more acceptable to people and increasing turnout.

[@pengyang4352]

Back in 2003, locals were $8 to enter and we were given 1 tournament pack.

[@EflowNivek]

@@pengyang4352 I'm talking Regionals and SJCs. It really priced out a lot of people. That means to break even you had to place around 50th percentile.

[@pengyang4352]

Gotcha. Back then, we had to win enough locals to even make it to regionals.

[@James-yk3hk]

Last time I was this early dzeef wasn't a pack opening channel

[@leonardoodranoel4086]

So before he started the channel?

[@silvertipstudio9622]

Dzeef: you can't expect tournament success from old decks Me: *looks at my 2017 hero structure deck* they'll never see it comin hehehe! *We are number one plays*

[@rosewarrior706]

Nah every card has to draw 2 cards revive from the GY at least 90 times be a 1 card link 23 add 4 pot of greeds to your deck from your opponents deck and inflict 200 points of burn damage (the last effect is the most important)

[@slippinjenny7410]

It's a little funny to me that you cite tournaments having more attendance as YGO being more popular. I think when most people talk about YGO being popular, they don't think about tournaments at all. They're thinking about YGO being popular enough that a third the kids in your class brought decks to school, always watching the anime, etc which isn't really a thing anymore. None of the kids I know at the age when Yu-Gi-Oh was cool think Yu-Gi-Oh is cool. It's hard to get concrete data on that, though. How old are people who go to tournaments these days? Because my gut feeling is that a lot of those people are people in their mid twenties now who were kids when YuGiOh was a huge multimedia franchise.

[@justaman4887]

dark magician in the thumbnail? Did you just summon me?

[@Ichigo90]

“The game has a lot more momentum after turn one.” Well, if the modern game makes it past turn one.

[@Undademedina]

Have you ever seen a guru mirror match? That shit lasts years

[@alicevioleta3184]

"unaffected by card effects" should have never existed.

[@RinaShinomiyaVal]

Use Kaijus/Lava Golem/Sphere Mode

[@00xyq]

The only games that you can expect to do well with old strats are the ones with skill as a key factor, so unless you have heart of the cards up your sleeve your out of luck

[@RobinNashVideos]

I disagree. I think YuGiOh requires skill, but a lot of that skill, as with most TCGs, goes into deck builiding. So as the game progresses, and people get better and better, Konami has to print newer, stronger cards to keep the game fresh. It's a good business move, but it's also better for the game. In my opinion, if a card game existed where you could use ten year old strategies without anything new and still win, it wouldn't be a skill based game, it would just be a boring one. That's what I think at least.

[@magnaillusion6085]

#1: Pot of Greed lets you draw 2 cards. Those are just filthy lies from the corrupted elite that doesn't want you to know its true power

[@nikola4107]

I love summoned skull!

The biggest myth I would say is farfa going 1-219 against muskeeter/magic bullet

[@silvertipstudio9622]

8:00 "how crazy do the modern cards have to be?" *Ash blossom gets threw down on the table* T H I S

[@julian354]

There is a super old vlog of sjc Chicago, and the dude is super hyped to have 300 players there

[@pacmansp33]

Quick question: what do mean by real rogue decks? Is this term rogue different in Yugioh than in other card games?

[@thomasstraw8352]

Rogue decks as in 'not the meta'. Made outside of the box of the current steong decks

[@pacmansp33]

@@thomasstraw8352 So its the same term like in every other card game. Why did Dzeeff say real rouge decks?

[@thomasstraw8352]

@@pacmansp33 I imagine it spans on a spectrum, from a meta deck that are built slightly different to something completely different

[@Trox9996]

Rouge decks are basically decks that are not broken enough to be meta but are still viable decks, basically they are the mid tier decks that people play when they don't want to play the meta but also don't want to lose most of the time.

[@NexeL_NKC]

Just play how you want. If you’re not going to tournaments, it doesn’t matter. I play with my roommate often and we just do our own thing. The game is still really fun if you play by “playground” rules. That’s the real beauty of the game, if you’re not competing, you can do almost anything within reason.

[@larhyperhair]

The biggest difference between old school Yu-Gi-Oh and modern Yu-Gi-Oh is the amount of card text *badumchink*

[@pableitor2009]

About the rogue decks: You just need to see the deck reports of the last events. The "others" category participation is almost as big as all the meta deck combined, and I don't remember any other format where you had in top cut the same amount "others" decks as the most prevalent meta deck in the format. People likes to complain, but even if this format became a little stale with orcust/Sky/thunder/salads being the prevalent meta for over a year, it has been one of the most balanced metas in the history, there are a lot of competitive viable rogue decks that yeah, they may not win an YCS or similar, but they can totally get into the top cut

[@seto749]

Non-myth: 60-card sets made it much easier to keep up and collect. So many times back in the day I got a complete set from two boxes.

[@ИлияБояджиев-ю5ш]

No one: Dzeef: *Now i see where you are coming from*

[@gutscross9706]

didn't play back in the day or now, just enjoy the talk about it. my probably wrong assumption based on viewing is that there's this magical god tier ash blossom card out there that's so prevelant in any deck that it's a mystery as to why it's not banned. like i said i don't know the game well, but it gets brought up so so often time and time again. is it the best counter-anything card? what's up with ash blossom? and if it's really that amazing, is that a good thing for the game? to always have to play around 1 card everyone's running? (if they really are all running it)

[@ewb8985]

GutsCross Ash blossom’s effect reads as such: When a card or effect is activated that includes any of these effects (Quick Effect): You can discard this card; negate that effect. ● Add a card from the Deck to the hand. ● Special Summon from the Deck. ● Send a card from the Deck to the GY. You can only use this effect of "Ash Blossom & Joyous Spring" once per turn. It is a good card but obviously doesn’t negate everything. It used to be ran a lot more than it is now. Today I believe it’s mostly ran in side decks.

[@rastrisfrustreslosgomez544]

Jolly-lolita is great for the game as it gives much needed interaction. Now it's great on the basis that all players possess as many copies as they can run. If Jolly-lolita, thus success itself, hides behind a pay wall then only a small fraction of the playerbase can be succesfull. And before someone says "it's the same for any strong card" it's not because if you can't afford certain deck you can always play another one. Not the same case with jolly-lolita, everyone needs 3 copies no matter what they play. Same case was max-C and that one got semi limited, then limited, then banned

[@AkamexAris1023]

Still waiting on Madolche reprints/rarity upgrades to occur... Gold Sarc gave us Fresh Sistart again... but still in common!

[@longsh00ter]

really good video! Enjoyed the discusion

[@SpectralArrow]

I just started playing again last year and it doesn't bother me things are more complicated, that makes it more fun and satisfying when you get the hang of things. What annoys me is how many cool strats that are old ( but still new to me ) have been kinda left behind by changes to the game , I like this trend of links being made for old decks to combat this issue alot and it kinda makes me sad they didnt do this for the other extra deck card types more frequently through the years.

[@SpectralArrow]

I like skull servants alot - no in archetype xyz, synchro, fusion, link... Its disappointing.

[@Noobie2k7]

You can't just buy 3 of a structure deck and spend no extra money and expect to top a regional. Monarchs: Am I a joke to you?

[@RobinNashVideos]

He said starter deck not structure deck. Very different things.

[@jamesk5510]

Tbh I thought this stuff coming back from years ago I still don't get pendulums but I just try to learn this guy here taught me all types of shit

[@Noobie2k7]

Somehow new decks end up on more negations than in 2010 when we had 3 solemn judgement, 3 bottomless trap hole, dark bribes etc? I remember playing a glad beast deck back in the day that would regularly end a turn 1 on like 3 negates and a BTH. Every single game. It was called Mud.

[@leonardoodranoel4086]

We still have those cards you can play them and end on even more negation due to draw cards and engines we didn't have back then.

[@RobinNashVideos]

Yeah, most decks now a days won't end on 3 negations. The regular combo of salad and Orcus ends on one, if you drew decent you'll probably have 2. And we still have the cards you mentioned.

[@Noobie2k7]

@@RobinNashVideos My comment was sarcastic, also you're the second person who's said this but i forgot the ban list where Solemn Judgement and Bottomless Trap Hole went back to 3. When was that again? Since you're both so clear in that we still have those cards so must have happened.

[@RobinNashVideos]

@@Noobie2k7 bottomless went back to three ages ago. Judgement went back to 3 two banlists ago. You can see for yourself, neither of those cards are in the official list, that's because they were freed. Official YuGiOh forbidden and limited list: www.yugioh-card.com/uk/gameplay/detail.php?id=1155

[@Syntherus]

I literally just told my friend who fell out of the game because life happened, that this is the best time to get back into the game. There's a ton of legacy support and everything is getting reprinted, making it very affordable to play.

[@PiterLauchy]

I don't know why I find all this so fascinating. I casually followed the anime back in the day and never really played myself. Still, I love these types of videos. Here's what I don't get: if there's 1 (or even 2 or 3) exact deck with 1 strategy that you have to play lest you get fucked, how is this at all interesting? Isn't it basically the same duel over and over and over again and the win gets decided by minuscule factors of luck?

[@ewb8985]

Piter Lauchy There usually isn’t just 1 deck that everybody plays. Even when there is, Konami usually releases an emergency ban list to get rid of whichever card/cards are causing problems.

[@bbro43]

Looks at my Yugi, Kiba, Pegasus, Joey, Jaden, Yusie and Yuya decks. Who needs to deck build, I got a shit ton of prebuilt decks right here

[@uwannago4981]

Yay more uploads love your videos keep up your work much love man

[@catastorallyofjustice4092]

The last time I was this early Super Rejuvenation was banned.

[@pengyang4352]

It's always the best time to play yugioh. That's if you know all the cards and all the combos being played. Cards today have too many effects and it seems like a new set comes out every month. Not just that but the forbidden list changes every 3 months, which means you might have to adjust your strategy that often. The game is still awesome, but only for people who have time to keep up with all of that.

[@mark1A100]

4-5 core sets per year with a few reprint sets has been the standard since launch.

[@pengyang4352]

@@mark1A100 Not exactly. When the game started, we probably got 1-2 set per year. From Legends of Blue Eyes to Labrinth of Nightmare, now there's a set almost every other month.

[@mark1A100]

@@pengyang4352 lob came out in March 3 months later was metal raides 3 months later was spell rulers 1 month later was Pharaoh servent. 5 months later nightmare 3 months later legacy of darkness. Just Google it man it's all in the fan wiki

[@pengyang4352]

@@mark1A100 hey, you are right. I thought I played for many years back then but I actually played only for 2 years. I guess as a kid, time felt much longer. For those 2 years, I ran the same deck with little tweaks. It just feels like the game changes so much faster today, but it does with all the newer game mechanics.

[@akfourtyseven89thegamer12]

Imo, the 4th is not a myth but a matter of perspective, even though cards are alot easier to acquire now some people still cant afford the game. Yes they may be cheaper, but you need to look at the facts that some cards (no matter the price) still cant be obtained if your on a really tight budget and just cant get some things that u need. Yes I agree, old school yugioh 2as way more expensive than modern is now. Do I think that this is a myth, no it's a matter of perspective.

[@Leopoldshark]

Myth: DMG is the ultimate ygo waifu Truth: Rollerblade waifu best waifu

[@ducksplain]

It's actually Gagaga Clerk.

[@shanedavidson1021]

Nah Gemini elf is the best waifu. Two for one special. Who doesn't like twins?

[@gene1973972]

Love your channel. Keep on going.

[@r.a.panimefan2109]

Funny how people think about it being tourney vs playground. ... Lol I was playing from rule book and was constantly correcring people. Even when i was 8 back in elementary

[@R3ini3r525]

Not going to lie... This video made me want to build a classic, anime-style deck so my cousins can learn.

[@meerkat4255]

So glad u posted was watching the ppg stream and that shit was lagging also all orcust in both rounds streamed boring lol

[@Rainbow-Dash]

Sadly packs here in the netherlands are pretty hard to find at a reasonable price we usually get core sets a select stores but they stay highly priced at 5€ a pack for so long its kinda sad want older packs good luck on those they are non exsistent i wish we had like 3$ a pop.. i would like to play yugioh again thou still confused on some of the new gimmicks left in the synchro era

[@dragonmaster951753]

I just want to make a counter point to your last subject on combo cards. Konami has recently started adding more tools to break them but it seems like a valid point for someone who hasn't seen today's metagame if they were turned off 2 years ago. Sure we have many outs Now but during pendulums eand spell books, it would have been more intimidating

[@bobbybero7452]

Power creep is out of control

[@leonardoodranoel4086]

Yeah we have been seeing the same 4-6 decks topping for almost 2 years and old decks getting more pieces of the pie every tournament, that's power creep out of control for sure.

[@Sygmus6]

Reminds me of when the Pokemon TCG came out and I thought prize cards were a sort of wager, and you get your opponent's prizes when you knock out their pokemon.

[@chaoticjexak]

the game hasn't become more expensive since the old times me: uh dude psy-frame omega was over 100 pounds per copy at one point D.A.D would set you back 1,500 me: WELL DONT I STAND HARSHLY CORRECTED DAYUM

[@MrCheeze]

3 out of the 5 points are commenters comparing oldschool playground play to modern tournament play. Although I guess it's true that that's the more common way to play in each era.

[@neronex1431]

Yugioh should just incorporate Howling Mines from MTG as a field spell just to break everything. It would be an additional +1 every draw step.

[@nowhereman860]

Wondering if your channel will be affect with the changes to youtube next year?

[@canbahadr4679]

What is going to get changed?

[@cruelcumber5317]

It probably won't because while youtube has been vague on the matter, the FTC does make a distinction between all ages and child targeted content, the latter of which is what they care about.

[@Pydtosofz]

whatever man watch out im about to teach all the kids about how missing timing works and chain links using quantum mechanics

[@DaviRenania]

13:34 Not true, Dzeef. At least, since Machina Fortress most structure decks were very viable. Agents won worlds, Darkworlds were annoying, Dragunity was very usable, Chaos Dragons... all these decks have almost ten years.

[@MrThyplosion]

what is that timestamp lol

[@mathunit1]

Fuck off Adrian. XD

[@___i3ambi126]

I ussually feel like when someone finds out i like yugioh, i have specify that i like modern yugioh. I feel like all the comboes and complexity have given more meaningful choices to the game than ever.

[@Blazeburnfire]

Oi thanks for signing my dragon maid nice meeting you

[@CrisisCore62]

Crush card virus = more money than a motorbike with the assurance payement and the gas in it 😂😂😂

[@davidsparling3952]

Myth 1: you can afford it Myth 2: you can afford it Myth 3: you can afford it Myth 4: you can afford it Myth 5: a basic staple totally doesn't cost an arm and a leg to acquire

[@Bennime_Once]

sure there are more people at the tournaments but 10 years ago every 3rd kid on the schoolyard had yugioh cards and played with them. There are wayyyyy less casual player.

[@RobinNashVideos]

There around 700 hundred people online at the same time on dueling book everyday. Almost all of them are casuals, to an extent. As with every game, most people are casuals. As a kid myself I can assure you, we still play YuGiOh on the school yard.

[@Bennime_Once]

@@RobinNashVideos 700 at the same time isnt really that impressive. and here in germany yugioh isnt as popular among the kids. Id like to see some statstics but there are non.

[@RobinNashVideos]

@@Bennime_Once Right, 700 isn't a lot, but I'm sure it's more than before. And you're right, there aren't any statistics, which is why we use the only one we have, tournaments.

[@Superderpynerd]

Well you do have to admit having negates on field feels really good 😏

[@CyrusLeGrandProd]

Unfortunatly, the 5 myth isn't anymore in the current format... The top meta decks are full of negates.

[@chaosgilleon6433]

Isn't modern yugioh basically solitaire, unless you have that specific hand trap to stop them. If I can say I miss one thing about Yu-Gi-Oh back when I played it in high school... I'd say I miss the "back and forth" the turn 10+. Every time I go to a tournament the game is over before turning 3... it doesn't feel like a two-player game anymore. It feels like I'm just waiting to see if they can make a board that I can't break.

[@ewb8985]

Chaos Gilleon You know that there are still casual Yu-Gi-Oh layers right? If you don’t want to play the meta you don’t have to. (Also if the duel ended in 3 turns its possible that you’re just playing a bad deck, duels usually last longer than that if both players are using meta decks)

[@fallz8297]

I can't believe people still argue with his points. A very skilled players that educated a lot of people yet people still choose to argue with bull shit. Keep it up dzeeff :) 👍👍

[@GiantCaliber]

R3apZz Fall cuz to scrubby casuals a YCS Top doesn’t register in their head correctly as a show of pretty solid knowledge of the game

[@thomassager6396]

ill fully admit that I have nostalgia goggles. I hopped off the band wagon when links came out. and personally.didnt like the direction where the game was going

[@fallz8297]

@@thomassager6396 Yes the game is more complicated than ever before but you gotta understand that Konami had to do something new with so they introduced links. I got into the game when links came out and yes there is still a lot to learn but I'm having fun competitively. Haha the one thing is I'm 15 and I'm playing against guys that are 20,23 etc... I just wish they did a better job reaching out to teens to play the game.

[@thomassager6396]

@@fallz8297 and you know what? That's totally fine. if anything its better for people to find enjoyment where I don't. I still love the game and I still watch videos keeping up to date with the meta and the like. Its just not for me anymore

[@fallz8297]

@@thomassager6396 You do you man! At the end of the day this is one large community with different opinions

[@steveno4871]

Was Konami funding the shouen jump tournament as much as current tournament? I’m not sure if this completely applies to trading card game, but when a fighting video game doesn’t get support from its publisher/sponsors for its fighting game, its popularity drop to nonexistent. This also works with other video games, such as moba and FPS games. Granted, those examples are video games. Would yu gi oh be just as popular today if Konami hadn’t injected funding into tournaments? Would we have more people in the past if Konami had put funding into it just the same now? Then again, there’s also the context of last gen player of yu gi oh simply grew up. They can be in a situation where work obligation and family obligation is a more important priority, aka being an adult with different priorities.

[@egotisticalghost6745]

What’s the difference between a starter deck and a structure deck?

[@vla1ne]

Starter decks tend to be anime character based. Structure decks tend to be either archetype based (ancient gears, monarchs, shaddolls, ect), or monster type based (dinosaur, pyro, warrior, ect). Historically, Starter decks, bar rare exceptions (rokket and salamangreat being the main two) are generally worse than structure decks overall.

[@erichp9896]

Starter deck doesn't have good cards, structure deck has good cards

[@Dzeeff]

Starter decks are designed to teach new players the game, Structure decks are actual strategies

[@starbound100]

@@vla1ne those are structure decks. Being anime related doesn't really make a deck automatically a starter deck. I'll never get this anime deck bias, given we had multiple times an anime strategy proved to be successfull (heroes, altergeist, trickstar, salads, thunders, rokkets, cyber ecc). I say thunder because of duel links mainly, because DSoD mokuba uses them, I don't know if he actually does, but even canceling that, my point still stands.

[@vla1ne]

@@starbound100 kinda prove the point of structure decks being leagues better eh? I have nothing against anime decks, i run a too many to have such a bias. I was just pointing out how on average, structure decks are miles better than starters. Though dezeef broke it down more simply.

[@RedRyuSmash]

As a current magic player and ex-Yugioh player. I think the power creep in the game was my big turn off, especially with the massive special summons with 0 limits on them. Too many things seem to float or need massive inherit protection to last on the board. The game needs to slow down, which while I agree even magic with set rotation has power creep, healer hawk vs suntail hawk, not a bad thing though unless you do go out of control with it like green has recently in standard. Set rotation still helps with controlling the pace of a standard game better where as eternal like formats will always speed up and go crazy. If I want to get back into yugioh, I just want to see the game slow down. Even if a deck like thunder dragons appeals to me or pet decks like counter fairies or spell counter magicians. Otherwise I think I will stick to legacy of the duelist for now to get my yugioh fix.

[@unbeatable750]

Counter fairy's have always been bad, slowing the game down won't do anything to fix that. Those decks just suck in general

[@RedRyuSmash]

@@unbeatable750 you missed my point entirely

[@ewb8985]

As someone who lays Yu-gi-oh mostly but has played a bit of Magic in the past, I think I get where you’re coming from but I think that power creep can actually have it’s upsides. Like, isn’t it more interesting when games are more complex?

[@RedRyuSmash]

@@ewb8985 I don't think complexity is a bad thing per say, but I do think the larger power creep of how the game as gone in terms of pace and speed is why I haven't really felt great about more modern yugioh when I watch it play out. What doesn't help is how I feel like a lot of decks can turn into almost solitaire-like in terms of interactions because they move way too fast. You need some way to deal with power creep because from a comp point of view it is inevitable in many ways. Nerfing, banning, balancing or set rotation are usually what help control it.

[@ewb8985]

SpriteRyu What do you mean by solitaire-like? There are plenty of interactions between decks these days. Hand traps and quick effects are very prevalent in today’s meta, so even against a fast deck you can usually interrupt them. To address what you think can be done to combat power creep, you do know Yu-Gi-Oh already has a ban list and has had one since the early 2000s, right? Also Konami will occasionally errata cards.

[@finnianfanning3136]

It's hard to complain about the price of yughioh right now with the existence of DUDE.

[@ray-al15]

My issue with modern Yugioh is that I can’t find cards. For some reason, everything is sold out in my local stores.

[@NickersonGeneral]

Yeah, I'd recommend shopping online then.

[@zvonezu]

But, 3 structure's for a tournament were a thing, hero's, monarchs :D

[@Nephalem2002]

zvonezu I miss that being part of the Meta. Ya always require something expensive to make it good

[@zenith9908]

Even then you'd still have to spend a bit of extra money to make the deck more viable

[@zenith9908]

@@Nephalem2002 that's not always true I mean have you seen sky strikers everything is pretty cheap in that deck same with orcust

[@Nephalem2002]

david guerra Both of them still require several expensive cards to be viable.

[@zenith9908]

If you were buying max rarity yes

[@slurpegad7213]

And that's perfectly fine.

[@bobbym1799]

Yugioh needs more formats period. They got 1 supported format. Everything is for that this game will not evolve and take over magic ever. I love yugioh but it needs more formats to support other players

[@Dzeeff]

They tried that and it was super unpopular. People say they want it but nobody shows up when Konami does it

[@bobbym1799]

@@Dzeeff really because i don't remember putting energy or effort into anything but speed duels and i been playing since the beginning what else have they tried other than the advance format?

[@Dzeeff]

@@bobbym1799 The EU WCQ does a Traditional format event every year for the last couple years and Generation Duels was a hyped up (but poorly attended) side event that let you play with older ban lists

[@bobbym1799]

@@Dzeeff i don't count it as a format of there is nothing to support it. That's a side event. Im thinking like commander Such as Commander in magic not a side event its a format that gets support and has its own thing outside of just advance magic. Yugioh does not have that. They didn't try with traditional I'll agree with that.

[@Dzeeff]

@@bobbym1799 I don't know what to tell you. If an event isn't popular enough to be a Side Event, Konami would be crazy to make it a main event. I find that most of the people asking for alternative formats haven't played in a while, anyway, and those tournaments probably wouldn't bring them back

[@DudeHunder]

Modern yugioh: I negate your turn

[@KingGreenHawk]

The biggest myth and complaint I’ve heard is that cheating is a prevalent thing with players, especially at tournaments. What someone said to me is that there are several decks where a player will go through a lot of cards and plays in one turn, that it’s hard to keep up with what they are doing. This means that they could cheat by lying about cards effects and do some type of play that actually isn’t legal. I really tried not to laugh at this comment.

[@soukenmarufwt5224]

Boomers and Casual Elitist what huge shock(not really)

[@StrongPanda164]

Guarentee one reprint in mega tins *cries in Madolche Magileine*

[@causticsoda]

Cries in Chocolat a-la-mode