5 Things that You Might Be Doing Wrong on Your Motorcycle Trips!

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Do you have any of these wrong habits?
We make mistakes, because we don’t have experience and the experience comes from the mistakes we have made! What a paradox, it is like paragraph 22, never ending circle, is in it? In this video I will talk about the 5 things that you probably doing wrong.
N one is perfect, no doubt about it. From the mistakes we made we actually learning. Just to make it clear from the beginning I will tell that I don’t have any goals to teach you, convince you or push you to change your riding style or the habits that you already have. The idea of this video is to inform you, to expose the weak points of some of your choices or to show you one different prospective. I know that with some you will agree, but some will create a huge discussion and negative comment, especially number 5. No worries, I am ok with this. The final decision to believe or not will be yours and I cannot take any responsibility about it. Enough talks let go to the actual mistakes:
N:1 - Over pack.
This is a classic mistake for every new rider, the felling that you forget something. Do not even worry about it, it is absolutely normal and we all had it once in a time. The example I can give you now is to pack 7 t-shirts, 7 pair of socks and 7 under ware for a one week trip. Sound very logical is in it, but what you going to do if the trip is 2 months, you going to load 60 t-shirts, socks and pants?
N: 2 - Eat too much.
Many riders complain that they have a problem to stay awake for more than 2 hours, especially on long boring highways. Few people even asked me what I do to prevent this. Again this is classic mistake and it’s coming from not understanding how our bodies work. Most of you believe that the food gives energy, which is absolutely true, but first the food need to be digested.
N: 3 - Too long breaks.
To stop for an hour or more is not really good idea. What I notice in my trips is that the first hour or two are the most difficult. I usually think how much more I have a head, constantly checking the time and the km and the mileage I set for the day looks like something impossible. I cannot find proper position or always need to adjust mirrors and so on, but after couple of hours I am entering so call riding mode and everything become so easy and natural.
N: 4 - Having full rain suit instead of two parts.
This topic actually came from a comment I receive recently: Is it possible to wear rain suit from two parts or one part? Technically, the full suit protect much better, because you don’t have the open gab between the jacket and the pants, but, here you are again the important BUT, it is difficult to wear it, especially when the rain already started and you are under a small bridge on the highway. You will jump like a chicken there trying to go in. With two parts is much easier.
N: 5 - Having a top case.
Wow, I shouldn’t say that! Now many of you will attack me with angry comments that this is not true, that this is so convenient and so on. Yes, this is actually the only plus I can find of having top case - it is convenient. Everything else makes no sense at all. Once again: I don’t have any goals to change your riding gear, just will tell you some simple facts.
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[@rudrajitghosh6820]

You are the best motorcycle blogger on KZbin whatever you say about each and every video makes complete sense ... i am a big admirer of your work thank you for sharing such detail oriented motorcycling content ... Cheers Rudra

[@motorcycleadventures]

Thanks my friend! The idea of the channel is to help and I am glad that many people confirmed that.

[@Janberk.E]

Absltly right.This is a freewill youtube channel ,everybody can upload any kind video who has any idea about something.i believe that none of them shouldn't worry about opposite ideas.If everybody has a same idea or choices,i'm sure life is just like huuuge dark emty space...

[@miguelmiranda9122]

I absolutely agree with everything you say!! Specially top cases. As you said if people don't understand its basically our to lack of experience and actually riding in all situations. Well said, great video as always

[@blueskypoa]

I agree.

[@organicox80]

Underline Rudraji Ghosh's comments 70,000 times.

[@stevebreyten9651]

As a beginner rider, i find your advice and experience invaluable. Thank you, please keep up the great work!

[@motorcycleadventures]

I will, thanks Steve!

[@culibabadan6000]

Same here 👍🏻

[@MrJasonmay69]

My bike had a top case when i bought it and i never took it off because i thought it would be useful. The truth is that it rarely gets used and what often goes in it weighs less than the box itself. After listening to your thoughts about top boxes i decided to remove it. My bike is a 700 and feels like it picked up an extra 5 horses, also it's far more flickable than before. It's amazing how you can just get used to something and not consider whether or not it's actually helping. Now i only put the Givi on if I'm going for groceries. 'Enjoy your vlog. Thanks for the 'no BS' approach. Jase

[@russellborn515]

I bought a Vstrom about a month ago, removed the top case after one ride. Thanks for convincing me I did the right thing!

[@motorcycleadventures]

You are welcome anytime!

[@reksubbn3961]

I have a top case so my wife has a back rest. I bought a V Strom so I could take my wife. Hmmm. Can I tell my wife she cant come because she is not aerodynamic? Wont mention the exta weight. Haha. Cheers

[@motorcycleadventures]

Actually, your wife is more aerodynamic than your top case, even the kg difference, because she seat on the proper position designed for that purpose.

[@mototroter]

Do not be afraid. V-Strom is wife and top-case proof. I have checked it many times. ;-)

[@reksubbn3961]

Moto Troter Yay . Thank you Just bought the bike one week ago. I just turned 60yo. My wife has rarely ridden as pillion. Initially she said no to me buying the bike. Now she says i am not allowed to go anywhere without her! But she had to have a back rest. Done 1000km so far and loving it.

[@mototroter]

Several years ago I went with my wife to second hand shop to see the motorcycles. Man in this shop just showed me old V-Strom 650. I sat on it and said "That is what I am thinking about". My wife said "What else stupid will you be thinking about?". I said "Please sit on this bike as a passenger just for a moment." and she did it. After this her face has changed and she said "OK, let's buy it." Now she is riding alone more than me with her own motorcycle. Life, simply life.

[@reksubbn3961]

@@mototroter Fantastic. What a great reply. Dont think my wife will ever ride herself but she is looking forward to riding with me. I am loving the 'wee' strom. Not quite 2 weeks. Bought it new cos i wanted the traction control.

[@michaelorr181]

You are exactly right about the ergonomics and design of the top box 📦! Anyone with common sense knows this ! They are a convenience but they are also Unsafe ! In whoops , high speeds , and High cross winds where your motorcycle is trying to correct itself . It's like putting a death grip on your bars in a high cross wind ! You'll be wondering what your doing wrong ( it's the top box) ! Great stuff ! Stay safe even if it's inconvenient!!!!!!!! Who is responsible for your safety? You are ! Not the marketing , sales or brand name !

[@redratthezip]

This channel is one of the best i saw on youtube, and not only. Personal experience, practical advice, and not a care about "what others think" This is real content with real value. And thanks to you, even though I own a GS 1200 with a top case i am looking for soft luggage to replace it. The arguments make perfect sense. Less weight, more traction on the front wheel, that means better braking power as well in emergency situations.

[@motorcycleadventures]

Thank you very much Constantin!

[@kenfinlayson6316]

Well done that man ! About time someone with some influence (yes that’s you) have said it straight. Big heavy box at the furthest rear of the bike just does not make sense. Roll bag on the seat the only way. 👌

[@motorcycleadventures]

Agree.

[@GiraMundoMeu]

If the bag is on the seat, where should I put my wife?

[@Advcrazy]

Even better... is a mate with a 4x4 🤣

[@chas435]

Your advice on top boxes is correct. I just never thought of it from the C of G and front wheel traction point of view. It takes courage to talk about a topic that most riders will not agree with but, thank you for doing so - it has made me THINK!

[@motorcycleadventures]

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[@orgami100]

How come you weren't telling me that 40 years ago when I look like a traveling gypsy wagon.... Actually learned from my father who use to travel the Hungarian country side trading on his 125cc Tornax in the 1950s.. Actually great adventure. .

[@tolga1cool]

What I really love about your videos is your video description. Everything I would want to know is there. Thanks for spending the time on it even though most people probably don't care

[@motorcycleadventures]

My pleasure! I know some people read it and it cost me nothing to do it.

[@fernandolacerda3f]

I use to travel in an old bike (2008 Dafra Kansas150cc) in Brazil, I use a hard top case, and it’s true, once in a long trip arround northeast region I felt in a big hole in the road and my top case felt down and break... I had a big trouble to fix it and to reassemble my luggage... it was in the middle of nowhere, no one was driving around to help I was all alone, and I fix it using cotton and super bond glue, forming like a fiber glass repair, at the beginning I reassemble the luggage cause I didn’t trust the repair, but during the trip became real that the repair was solid and I made home with the top case with all the luggage in... I have until today the same repaired top case, and works just fine. But I agree with you... I just like it, I know the risks but I take it... by the way nice channel I watch every videos... greetings from Brazil... tchau

[@motorcycleadventures]

Thanks man! Enjoy your trips!

[@warssawa9595]

Totally agree about top cases. A matter of gravity on TOP and REAR....THE WORST CONFIGURATION ON A MOTORCYCLE.

[@motorcycleadventures]

Exactly.

[@mototroter]

That is why I always put an anvil to the tank bag. ;-)

[@igig2792]

A thumb up 👍🏻 for removing top-case! Two friends of mine used to ride Yamaha FJR with top-cases. They had to repair tail sub-frame ones a year because after itch 3000-4000 km trip it was crashing.

[@motorcycleadventures]

Thanks for sharing!

[@sandrobotticelli2978]

Servus Pavlin After about more then 50 Years on Road ,i can say you are to 100% right.You are a very nice and clever man.Wish you the best

[@motorcycleadventures]

Wow, thanks Sandro!

[@rolandtiiroja]

I use a tank bag. It keeps the weight in the middle of a bike and it blocks the wind so I don't need a windscreen.

[@BlackThor15]

Watching your videos is like going back to school: Learn so many interesting things about ADV Travelling, tips and advice from an experienced Teacher and also finding out what all the bike manufacturers and accessories companies do not tell you, with due respect to them. Thank you Pavlin for the lessons!!

[@motorcycleadventures]

You are welcome anytime!

[@archibald6749]

Your point on top case make sense, I made thousands of km on my Electra Glide and the build in top case was only devoted to rain gear, a bottle of water and the helmet when I was stopping, to keep it as light as possible

[@regiscalmes]

I love your style, you being yourself. Do not change anything. Thanks for all the great tips.

[@motorcycleadventures]

I appreciate that!

[@haroldbevins393]

I only ride street bikes on long trips and I do have a top case that came stock on the motorcycle. But you are right, it tempts you to overload and with the weight up high it makes it hard to get off the side stand in some cases. I learned a while back to load the weight in the saddle bags and only coats or light things in the top case, I also always try to leave room for my helmet to be stored in the top case over night... Great video..

[@motorcycleadventures]

Thanks for taking time to watching and for this commend Harold!

[@BenoitPhilips]

Last week I went to Austria (from Blgium) to test out my luggage (camping gear, cooking gear , clothes, food,...) for a total of 430 kg (217 for the bike, 23 for the fuel, 115 for myself including gear, 10 kg for panniers, 65 kg for the gear). KTM 1290R max is 450 kg. I set the suspension accordingly. Result : it was just awful. Going through the bends in the mountains was hard work and all the fun of riding a great bike was gone. And especially the Top case (10kg), as in the hairpins it had to incline from left to right and back. It makes finding the correct balance to handle the turn very delicate and tiresome. My conclusion which support your message Pavlin : - No Top case anymore, except perhaps for commuting - No camping and cooking gear and enjoy Bed and breakfast - As less weight as possible to be able to enjoy the hairpins in the mountains - Camping/cooking gear only when you take the highway to reach a destination, drop your gear in a camping and start touring around in the neighborhood without gear.

[@motorcycleadventures]

This is what I call hard lesson.

[@dondle2]

Excellent advice on all points.The one thing you forgot to mention was the effect of a top box in strong and blustery crosswinds,can be VERY dangerous !!!.Kind regards from Scotland.

[@motorcycleadventures]

Yes, I forgot that, thanks for adding!

[@ivan-ywr]

Hi Pavlin Do not be demotivated by whatever angry comments Your blogs are proven by many kilometers you have driven so far and are really valuable info for those who are opened to learn new thing from real experienced motorcycle adventurer Take care

[@motorcycleadventures]

Hi Ivan, there is no way one or thousand trolls to demotivate me. I know what I fell and if my channel is able to help even just a few people I will keep doing what I do.

[@thestone3849]

Sir, its your experience you are sharing, with the intention to help others cutting down going through what you have already done. So let serious people follow you and others learn it the hard way as they want. So completely ignore the negative comments (made for the sake of it and may be some really thoughtful one i am sure you will not). Keep up the nice vblogs. I could see increase in subscribers of 10K since i started watching your videos since last couple of weeks, which is an indication or appreciation of your experienced work. Bravo.

[@motorcycleadventures]

Thanks man!

[@DB-xq3yn]

Just ordered my first motorcycel. You'r videos are great since you'r such a good pedagog. And "angry"??? No. Full of energy and engagement! Thx!

[@motorcycleadventures]

Have fun!

[@Italybdbike]

Its really high technical part of Safety, someone who understand Science They 100% agree with you. Its a very Deep Concept & Thinking. Learn new thing again thanks

[@motorcycleadventures]

You are welcome anytime!

[@pll009]

Another Great Video. We appreciate your RECOMMENDATIONS which are based on your EXPERIENCES. We don't need the 3 minute intro about how you could be wrong. Remember, haters gotta hate, and some people just love to argue. The rest of us value your Opinion. Keep up the great work. Stop reading the negative comments.

[@motorcycleadventures]

Thanks man!

[@gaspargarcia5836]

WOW What an eye opener You are correct On the top case I had no idea never gave it a second thought Probably why my old GSA the front wheel did pick up off the ground Thank you very much for the info Your vedlos are excellent At 66 I am never to old to learn new techniques Thank you

[@motorcycleadventures]

You are welcome anytime!

[@MotoHolic]

Great tips Pavlin! I agree with ALL of them, although I am a proud owner of a top case, I have realised that is it completely unnecessary (and maybe even dangerous) to take it on a trip, especially if the trip involves even a little bit of bad road of offrading. I broke by luggage rack in two places by riding with a fully loaded top case on bad roads. However, for just city riding top case is convenient for helmet storage and other little things, IMHO. And regarding the boot covers, my friend, you took the words right out of my mouth! It's not IF your feet will get wet, its WHEN you feet get wet. No matter what boot manufacturers say (alot of things they say just for sales) your feet WILL GET WET! I will definitely tag you in the video when I release it on my channel about riding in rain! Great job, keep it up, I am in love with your tips and trips! Just my two cents - I liked your earlier video presentations more then this one with superimposed background and soft cuts. In my opinion it takes the attention away from you. I will still watch your videos, no matter the presentation, but just giving a little bit of constructive criticism here. Please don't mind.

[@motorcycleadventures]

Thanks Krishna! The opinion about the back ground is important.

[@paulfairbrass4424]

Love the back drop pavlin, your right about the top box. Touring bikes are a completely different set up and the rear of the bike is strengthened for this purpose.

[@motorcycleadventures]

True. They are designed with this idea in mind.

[@petergoddard1960]

All good advice, I hate top boxes for all the reasons you state. The only place for them is delivering pizza in town. On a moped. In shorts.

[@motorcycleadventures]

Agree. I don't wanted to say that in the video and upset some pizza delivery guys.

[@andradeandres]

So where do you put the luggage ? A backpack si not big enough

[@dangkrangterminal2101]

@@andradeandres So you need to learn how to select the most important stuf for your travel :)

[@deaddoll1361]

@@dangkrangterminal2101 Easy to say, but if you're travelling to central Asian countries you need a certain number of parts and tools, as there might not a dealer in the whole country, clothes to cover a range of temperature as well as some decent camera gear, a laptop to edit, tripod, backup batteries, chargers, GPS etc. You'd want to be able to lock that gear up if you need to leave the bike somewhere, so there really isn't a solution without a top box. It also provides a good spot to mount a GoPro on an extension to give a pillion view of the country side. You might think the camera gear is unnecessary, but the general video quality on this channel is really bad and if you want to do better, you need better gear.

[@joenoname9909]

He is saying lots of good things in this video. One of these things I have experienced in real life when I was driving on longer distances (which means only Europe for me) was that some of the other drivers I was with got tired after a few hours of driving but always in 2 hours after their last meal. As a chef I can tell you if you go to an endurance ride its always better to stop in regular intervals and eat less. And why? Lets say you are a male between the age of 30-45 weighing between 70-100kg-s, that means your daily intake is 2500-3000 calories (excluding off-road driving, when its +15-20%). If you take that 3000 in 3 meals you overwhelm your body and irregardless of your metabolyc functions you just won't be able to use all the energy (protein, carbohydrate, fat) you take in. As a result of that your system gets confused and you will get tired. Best is to eat 4-5 times a day, eat less food and you will provide a continuous energy source for your body when you are on a tour.

[@motorcycleadventures]

Ot just eat once or twice per day, like me, usually when I stop riding.

[@mikogarage]

I understand your reason, but i will keep my top case. Its very practical

[@motorcycleadventures]

Whatever you like, it is your bike and your trips.

[@herbwag6456]

miko arifin, me too.

[@lenusdupreez977]

Yip, keeping mine as well.....more pros than negatives as I have security and I put most of my clothes in there because it's light. I do see many bikers that are on RTW trips with top cases. I do love all your videos though!

[@72ndexter]

I'm keeping mine too. 😎 Motorcycle Adventures, keep it up. Love all your videos.

[@tennyis28]

Me too, the front tire does not come off the ground, that's why you have forks and they have sag

[@renevanoyen3817]

I love my topcase when I'm just touring around, visiting a village and do not need to carry my helmet in my hand all the way. Convenience. BUT... When I go on a multiple day journey, I pack my bike and keep the CoG as low as possible, so I use a rollbag on the duo-seat and put personal stuff inside the luggage compartment, where normally the fuel tank is. About 100 litres of total space is more than enough for me.

[@motorcycleadventures]

Use whatever is good for you.

[@scottdunmire8331]

2009 BMW R1200GS with factory top case Vario broke when on rough dirt roads. It had too many tools and was a major problem coming home with the top case dangling off the rack. I am lucky I was riding with 2 friends who were able to carry the contents of the case so I could get it back home. Top case worked well for city, but definitely I agree with you that it is bad to have off road.

[@motorcycleadventures]

Hard lesson!

[@ianstewart9487]

Bought my first bike a couple of years ago. The first mod I did was the get rid of the top case! 😁

[@YltwnGuy]

agree on the top box, also changes your center of gravity (up) !! and what i like about your videos: straight to the point! precise and concise!! great work man!

[@motorcycleadventures]

Thanks for taking the time!

[@ichch1974]

I have never worried about many things. Thank you for sharing your experiences. I'm planning a 14 day road trip through Scotland for next year. I will calculate many of your inspirations.

[@motorcycleadventures]

My pleasure! Enjoy your trip!

[@wuppercruiser]

big step forward, you're getting even more professional :) for my personal sight, i hate top boxes... but i don't want to miss my alu hard cases with all pros and cons. i tried soft luggage for several trips but i never got friend with it. (just my personal sight) with the years i learned a lot from my mistakes and i totally agree with you. 1. overpacking - i took the hard lesson on my first long trip 1998 to scottland. broken back frame welded at a local iron shop, a rubbed back tyre and sitting at a post office retuning nearly 60% of luggage and tools. this took me two days and nearly 200 pounds ( today about 380 euro). 2. for me it's important to have a good but normal size breakfast. during the day i eat only small portions when i get hungry, but drinking is quite more important. 3. i allways keep my breaks short, i'm getting faster tired when resting too long (for me its completely different... the last kilometers are the longest :)))) ) thks for the vid and keep on going

[@motorcycleadventures]

Use whatever you like and suit you well. Thanks for the comment!

[@siegfriedassel9152]

As for your rain pants get them 1 or 2 sizes larger because they come up higher und over your summer jacket etc. I have been riding in heavy weather without getting wet after I up sized my rain pants🌧️⛈️😊

[@mars0030]

Interesting. I certainly agree about not taking too many tools. I don't rely on the cheap tools that come with the bike but make a small kit, only of the tools that fit specific things on the bike. Caliper bolts, fairing fasteners etc in case they come loose. Ithink most important is enough equipment to fix a puncture and inflate a tyre enough to ride.

[@motorcycleadventures]

Exactly the custom tool kit is a must.

[@islanddreaming8591]

I have a top case - BUT I think you are correct. I try to keep it empty most of the time and just use it to lock up my helmet or tank bag etc at places when i park, or sometimes i will put some groceries in there when shopping when heading for somewhere closeby to camp. I use waterproof duffel bags accross the pillion seat and my panniers for regular loads

[@motorcycleadventures]

Good.

[@henrigosselin5984]

@@motorcycleadventures You da man !!! as per usual Pavlin. Agree with you on everything but...i use a light scooter top box all the time on pavement and light off road ...used exactly like Island Dreaming. Balaclava,spare gloves, extra shirt are usually the most i ll have in there on the move. Most importantly acts as a great backing for top roll and sleeping bag on passenger seat.

[@danielprinsloo2917]

Thank you Pavlin for the advice - travel light - travel further. I only use my top box when I am at home - easy to pack my surfing equipment when I go to the beach. my first trip to Namibia the top box broke off between Eis and Walvis baai - I through it away in the desert and the stuff that was in it was easily stored on the bike. keep the good information coming - thank you

[@motorcycleadventures]

Thanks Daniel for watching! So you learned the hard way.

[@roughtravel.]

I agree about a top box completely. But there are situations when we ride with a pillion or extra luggage is necessary so all the risks should be assessed!

[@motorcycleadventures]

If you say so!

[@NarendraBonde]

You are right about the physics of ergonomic posture for motorcycle with regards to weight distribution, especially heavy top box. Unfortunately and tragically so, most people are extremely attracted to top boxes mounted of their motorcycle tail.

[@motorcycleadventures]

Yes, hard to give it up!

[@SameerGovindan]

Your words of wisdom are so important for long distance riding

[@motorcycleadventures]

Thanks!

[@sergi0961]

Pavlin, you are the best dude!! straight to the point! I really appreciate your videos and adverts... keep it simple and logical!! congratulations and thanks!!! see you in the road!

[@motorcycleadventures]

Thanks man!

[@979catalin]

What a captivating presentation! Wow! From day to day, you're better and better at video presentations. Very good old movies too, so please do not delete anything, especially the oldest! Great positive appreciation for your attitude and video sharing. Always good content. A happy trip to the Taj Mahal!

[@motorcycleadventures]

Thank you very much my friend! I am glad that the channel helps!

[@samguapo4573]

Had a topcase on my ebike. No vibrations except for the roads. Eventually got loose and fell off. Poor materials and fittings. The metal of the case actually got worn out and ripped. I do know someone with a BMW who had some sort of reinforced differently designed topcase who does long trips and highly recommended it.

[@wileym]

If you do have a top case, the centre of the case should be no further back than the centre of the rear wheel. I've ridden Harley touring bikes with top cases and they are fine because they are designed for them and stay on the road. Better to strap a large waterproof sack to the back seat and keep it lower. Keep the heavy stuff in the bottom of the panniers. The eating is very important. I have a tendency to fall asleep at the best of times so I eat very light on the road. Not much meat at all if I can help it.

[@TheUnsungVil]

I agree with all of it - except the Topcase: My 35 year old (!) ZX-10 Tomcat does not shed a drop of sweat carrying additional few kilos on the tail, me being a 110kg rider with appropriate rear shock pre-tension. But yes, the modern bikes are quite slender (and even too light and fragile?) on the rear. Riding a freight train like the Tomcat is something completely different though.

[@motorcycleadventures]

Fair enough!

[@szabolcsnanassy5647]

Well, I absolutely agree with Pavlin in the advises of the the "top-case" stuff. These are very useful advises. This video is made for a long distance traveller who usually ride alone, and not for someone who bring his wife or someone else for a one hundred kilometers trip... On my first long distance trip, I used a top-case box and I hated it quite a lot... Never again.

[@motorcycleadventures]

You learned the hard way!

[@davidarchibald5578]

Hard boxes for me when riding 2 up especially. We have tried 2 dry bags on my old Tiger 800 worked fine but was always nervous when leaving the Bike even for a short length of time. Handling with all the weight is definitely effected but all I do is compensate ie slow down. I’ve learnt over the years to travel light and take it easy you always get there in the end. I like your straight talking it’s a thumbs up from me. 👍

[@motorcycleadventures]

Thanks David! Yes, when you have a passenger, the things are totally different.

[@raftboatcaptain]

Me, I like the way you deliver the message, Pavlin! You perfectly make your point, explain details in a very understandable way. Ok, here its easy in my case, because I hate topcases ever since, but still, you are just right...

[@motorcycleadventures]

Cool!

[@1972whocares]

Completely agree with on the top case, bought one for my trip last year and hated it the entire time. Ever since then its taken up space in my garage. Ignore the haters Pavlin, you're 100%correct! Ride safe!

[@motorcycleadventures]

I know that I am right, but many still don't... No worries, soon or later they will!

[@danmercer214]

I very much enjoy your tips and watching your adventures. Living in the USA it gives me a chance to see the other parts of the world thru your eyes. Keep up the great work and ignore the negative comments. You are very inspirational. Your American fan. Dan.

[@motorcycleadventures]

Awesome, thank you!

[@hayabusaTravels]

Interesting point of view, but I'll keep rideing with my topcase in longer trips. Besides beeing practical, my motorcycle is heavier on its front side and, at speeds up to 160km/h (highway) never had any issues. Most of the time I don't exceed speed limits and I definitely don't do offroad. Thinking of buying a larger top case, The Trekker Outback 58l :)

[@motorcycleadventures]

Do whatever works for you.

[@Sahanova]

I am currently planning a road trip to Mongolia for next year and even my vehicle of choice will be a 4*4, I think many of your valuable experiences and points are still applicable. Especially travelling light, keeping it minimal. Thanks for your videos, they are great to watch. Have a good day!

[@motorcycleadventures]

You are welcome anytime Sahin!

[@RogDeller]

Absolutely. Consider well, what you really need, and, also very important, how to pack it. Stow as much as possible in the car, well distributed. heavy metallic military boxes and spare tyres for sure looks cool on the roof, but are terrible for the balance of your vehicle. and not to forget the stress induced to roof rack and roof itself. some 4x4 are not designed for heavy loads on the roof. there is a lot more to mention, but i want to keep the post short.

[@M4BoarBiker]

Absolutely 100% agree with you. I have a top box, it is heavy, looks hideous and negatively affects the handling. I travel as light as possible. You give great advice.

[@motorcycleadventures]

Thanks man!

[@drajender]

I was in the market for top case until I watched this video. Thanks for saving me some money and .. from a nasty accident. Subscribed!

[@motorcycleadventures]

I am glad that the video helped you David! Thanks for taking the time!

[@toodgs]

One other thing about top boxes is if you fall, you want to have the bike slip from under you, if you have top box this can only happen if you break your back. A survey done in the state of Victoria in Australia, from hospital records demonstrated this as a fact. The same for rigid side boxes and your legs, there is nothing on my bike that will stop me getting myself off the thing when I fall, I try not to, but it happens off road.

[@motorcycleadventures]

True

[@tombeckett4340]

Thanks for this information. My Suzuki Vstrom came from the factory with hard side bags . My top box never has anymore weight than the specifications on the box . I’d be lost without it .

[@motorcycleadventures]

Ok, then use it, but mind what I just said.

[@reksubbn3961]

I bought the authentic Suzuki panniers and top box for the v strom. Intially thought they were a bit small but now am happy with the size. If nec will get a tank bag and soft bag to strap to the seat.

[@motorcycleadventures]

Whatever suit you and serve you well.

[@YA-ee9zf]

with top cases you can adjust the preload on the bike now try pushing it the hardest as you can the back won't budge but that said I agree with you as a long term prospect it is not a good idea aerodynamically, ergonomically and visually it isn't a good idea but for short trips no problem.

[@A.Vasiliauskas]

I think you are right! Top case is good maybe for pica deliveries or small journeys

[@SteveCutajar3lrsc]

True half of the time top box is left empty... but I still like the extra space. It’s better then carrying a back pack. I agree though, the worst is when it’s over packed...

[@motorcycleadventures]

Use whatever you like, but be informed.

[@smeclau]

Nice vid with plenty of good advice. Brings back good as well as bad memories from my riding days. I have to add a few comments though: I used both 1 and 2-piece rain gear and I confirm all statements, except water getting inside a 2-piece rain gear - never happened to me, even on days where it rained non-stop. And true about boots - they all get wet eventually. However, I could not find any "overboots" that I actually liked.

[@motorcycleadventures]

Thanks, man!

[@whitedrguy6503]

Great information again sir. Full wet weather suit is great for some but I find the biggest problem is when you have to go to the toilet, they can be a problem to remove when in a hurry. Fully agree about top boxes, they upset the weight distribution by being too far back and too high, the weight should be between the axles to keep the balance better. I have a rack with a bag on my bike but the bag always sits on the pillion seat, and the soft panniers as low and as far forward as I can. The axles are the main pivot points, the more weight on the outside of these points changes the fore- aft pitch of the bike.

[@motorcycleadventures]

O yes, I forgot about the toilet. I was planed to say it, but miss it when I was recorded. This winter, on my way to the Balkans with all of the clothes I have, include the rain gear to go to the toilet was an adventure itself!

[@jeffreyyeater1780]

When you get older ya lose your grip , gotta be careful!

[@malvinacarabas5768]

Background pictures work beautifully . What a difference ! Great . In a city bike exploitation I think , most , if not every bike rider does need hard top case - plastic ones are rather light (or side ,and then it`s two side cases that worse than one top ) . And they have it . B/c you must always carry at least one lock with chain - heavy -means good ( i carry two locks - second pin lock ) and cover . Not mentioning the helmet and armor (if you wear one , i do ) . Unless you want your bike to be easily stolen . But that`s for city everyday use . I`m not talking the long distance riding - do not have experience .

[@motorcycleadventures]

Yes, about the city ride I will agree. Not my favorite, but I understand.

[@yannikoloff7659]

11:50 I asked some Suzuki Japanese guys from engineering department to build trailers for their bikes. They said it"s good idea but still no results

[@CoreyBrass]

I'm not sure I agree with you (about top case) but I will say that I'll say I'll think about it and play with my packing technique. I have wondered if a soft wetbag wouldn't be more flexible then my top case.

[@motorcycleadventures]

Definitely much better, because it could stay on the passenger seat and this will not stress the tail.

[@TheGregersdk]

I have a topbox.. Why, it was installed by the previous owner. Do I use it? Yes... when my pillion is on, only. She can use it as a backrest, I already adjusted the suspension for the extra weight in the back and honestly, two persons require more luggage space than one... When alone, I would definitely advise people to stay with side panniers. Having tried bad side winds alone with topbox on, I can tell, it makes your riding much less comfortable and stressful.

[@benignoparaisu4869]

For road travel i think it is ok to have it but when going offroad i'm not sure, it might scratch your subframe, if you still insist maybe just make sure all the bolts are firm and put some rubber in it to absorb the shaking impact.

[@nickx8411]

Thank you for doing all these videos... I'm learning a lot from your experiences and honest commentary. The reason I would never use a top case is this.... I don't want to have something happen that flings be backwards off the bike, and have my head/neck/back hit that hard top case. Could be paralysis, in my opinion. So, I'll never use a hard top case. Side cases first, then a duffel bag across the back of the seat if necessary.... but never a hard case directly behind me. Keep on, ride well! :-)

[@motorcycleadventures]

My pleasure!

[@sm-ov1wh]

Top case for town trips etc etc but never never on a tour .

[@motorcycleadventures]

Agree

[@reksubbn3961]

Stephen Miller why is that?

[@sm-ov1wh]

reksubbn ... I take off my panniers if I am in town and just use my top box.... that way I can skip in and out of traffic . On a tour I just use my panniers and a small soft bag and a tank bag ..... better in the wind and better for the bike . Keep it light when you travel .

[@morphaczechofficial]

Hi Pavlin, let me present my paradox.... I agree with U about topic 5 (top cases..) but.... lol...In my trips around my house (200km), I take top case everytime....but agree, for long trip I have side cases If I take clothes, tent etc.. top case go down... But one day trip (to 4-6hour) i will take top case. (I have front/rear tube, navigation, cables, gloves, toilet paper and 2 carrying straps all the time...) and its a place I can hide helmet, camera, gloves and jacket, if its hot day and I will make a break.When I am riding on the bike, the top case have about 2 kilos max and its less negative capability when U have 1 person loaded behind.

[@motorcycleadventures]

Believe or not but 50kg person will be better than 10kg top case. Anyway use whatever you like.

[@pauldavison2116]

I 100% agree with you. I never understood the physics of top cases. The are aft of the rear tires axles so anything you put in the case does as you say, lift the front tire up. That being said, I bought a top case. Only because I have an hour commute to work, and hate wearing a back pack. The only things that go in the case on my commute to work is 400g of lunch, and MAYBE a light rain suit and waterproof gloves IF the weather forecast says it is going to rain in the afternoon commute home. When I get to work I lock my helmet in it. That is all. For long tour trips it is not on my bike.

[@motorcycleadventures]

Yes, as I said in the video, practical for city ride, but definitely not good for long trips.

[@pundaliksalkar6293]

Awesome as always. The topcases and cigerate, they are not good but still out there - "marketing strategy".

[@motorcycleadventures]

Exactly!

[@cpuuk]

Use what you have and over time you realise what works and doesn't work. I've wasted a lot of money over the years, but at least I know what I can use in any given scenario. Hard earned knowledge, but I never say it's the only way to do it, as I've seen too many riders use plastic bags on their feet in the rain to know that you don't HAVE to buy Goretex boots ;-) Keep the suggestions coming and if people want to use them, great, if not they can spend the money and learn for themselves.

[@motorcycleadventures]

Exactly what I planing to do. Keep talking and hope someone will listen...

[@benignoparaisu4869]

I have a 5kg limit warning on my rear steel bracket. And i always load things acordingly, not surpass the weight limitation. I did overload once and it flips me when i go on a steep uphill road. Got injured my shoulder but everything else is fine after i removed some weight. Don't repeat my mistake.

[@Grim_Beard]

About #5: You can adjust your rear pre-load if you need to, which should solve any problems you might experience from having a top-box on. Personally, I haven't experienced any of these problems with mine, but then I'm exclusively a road rider - off-road riding may be very different.

[@motorcycleadventures]

Even if you pre-load your shock the effect will be the same.

[@Grim_Beard]

Motorcycle Adventures Well, the effect on my 'bike is that there is no effect, so I can't really argue with that!

[@motorcycleadventures]

As I said in the video it is not something to feel really. Just few mm.

[@jeffreyyeater1780]

It doesn't matter . Still excess weight on the rear . Take it from me ,my wife weighs 420 lbs . 😅

[@John_Ridley]

I believe you could be right and I'm not angry, but I'm still never going to take off the top case

[@motorcycleadventures]

I know that and never said that you have to. Use whatever you like and serve you.

[@loloverland]

Thank you for your video and sound advices. I fully agree with the ban of side and top cases. I witness the tank slaping wobble at legal speed of my friend's HD Pan America. He died in the accident.

[@motorcycleadventures]

Sorry to hear that!

[@MsCharly20]

Good video! Thank you again for your work! Vieles davon ging schon intuitiv gut, aber super das als Einsteiger bestätigt zu bekommen!

[@motorcycleadventures]

My pleasure!

[@piuvbn]

So far whatever video I have seen by you is useful and precise, up to the point.

[@motorcycleadventures]

This was the original idea, to help.

[@dariogsf9027]

Just want to say that the soft luggage on the rear top (or the tail of the bike) is still the extra weight at the same place as the top box. There are big top boxes weighting less than 3 kg, and 50 L soft bag weights at its best around 1,2 kg. The difference, except the aerodynamics, is not significant at all. So shouldn't we talk about some better way to position the luggage (saddle bags maybe) and distribute the extra weight? I don't want to question your point on top boxes, I agree with what you've said, but it would be fair to point out that the soft luggage is also additional weight at the wrong place. Thanks for the video. Keep up with good work. ;)

[@motorcycleadventures]

As I already said many times the weight is always matter. This is something everyone need to start with. Of course the proper weight distribution is very important. The good side of soft bags you cannot over load it, because they will fall a part, which is not the case with hard boxes.

[@dariogsf9027]

Maybe the soft saddle bags would be the best solution, but I guess they are not so practical to mount on the bike. There are maybe some other cons I am not aware of. The soft bag at the rare is I guess acceptable compromise.

[@motorcycleadventures]

I had saddlebags before, but they have some cons as well. Now, since I have my last bag (like horse shoe) everything came to the place.

[@laszlobauer5274]

To fix the 3kg top case in most of the cases you need another few kilos of steel which is the rack. So you have added already 6-7 kilos far back on the bike and still haven't packed anything. Bag fixed on the passenger seat is less weight and not so far back on the bike. It's still not good, but it's a compromise. You need some stuff when you ride.

[@dariogsf9027]

Most of the bikes do have a rack, so you just need a plate, in most cases plastic plate, so it's 3-4 kg at max. If you were to ride entirely on your own, than it's possible to remove the rack and use the passenger seat. It's not the most comfortable solution, but it is the lightest one. I have a heavy bike and thinking of a hommade rack and soft bag at the back. I noticed on my last trip that the top case is too much weight too high. I definitely have to do something so we are thinking alike. For lighter bikes on the road trips, concidering the weight, top case is maybe not big of a deal, but for my bike it definitely is. :/

[@Γιώργος-ξ2γ]

...Plus, in a case of an accident top boxes can break your back. That's the number one reason for me not to have one. Nice video!

[@motorcycleadventures]

True. I never thought about it. Maybe because I never use it.

[@henryhawk7038]

Again Pavlin, lots of good information. I like the way you put out the info and just leave up to the individual rider as to what works.

[@motorcycleadventures]

Thanks Henry!

[@DatBikerDude]

Awesome brother!! Ive seen many travellers including myself go vegan during the day. Also, I always take my big meal at the end of the day ,and even for that I make sure I have a place to ... ahem... let it out in the morning

[@motorcycleadventures]

Exactly! Thanks for watching man!

[@zakasjr]

Mostly agree. But No 5.. I respect your opinion, with enormous experience! BUT 1:Top box is practical and you can keep them light. 2: All bikes are designed for riders of max 70 kg. Thats why you modified your Tenere. And top box is always afecting what they have dezigned. 3: dry bag on back seat, can be ewen hevier loaded than plastic top case. And you can't even put a bottle of water in it. 4. Traveling not alone: must have top case. Or leave your wife 😀 And 5: having lighter front in sand.. You must always lighter your front on the sand!! Anyway, till No. 4 100% agree.

[@motorcycleadventures]

Well...everybody is free to choose how to travel. Regarding to your points: 1:Top box is practical and you can keep them light - no one do and even empty it will weight at least 5 kg. 2: All bikes are designed for riders of max 70 kg. Thats why you modified your Tenere. And top box is always afecting what they have dezigned. - It's effect the design much harder than anythingelse. 3: dry bag on back seat, can be ewen hevier loaded than plastic top case. And you can't even put a bottle of water in it. - 50kg dry bag on the seat will be better than 5kg on the tail. About the water I have hydration pack. 4. Traveling not alone: must have top case. Or leave your wife 😀 - The top box is bought and mounted from you. She doesn't know that they even exist! And 5: having lighter front in sand.. You must always lighter your fronton the sand! - Agree, but you will know and expect that, with top box it will be in predictable.

[@ashmansgarage]

The RAW truth just the way i like it. Keep up the great videos. See you when you visit Canada!

[@motorcycleadventures]

Thanks, man!

[@harikenhahahahahahaaa5753]

Great tips..!! Do a video of which tires, brake pads to use for long distance trips..

[@motorcycleadventures]

The brake pads depends from the model. Video about the tires you can watch here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iJ6rZaOVZcp6i6M

[@harikenhahahahahahaaa5753]

Motorcycle Adventures hmm thanks man.. What about tires for road (tar) trips? Non off roads.. Maybe suggested road or street tires and lasting for thousands km

[@doronikgjcs]

Subscribed. I have done a number of long trips and these tips are dead on.

[@kennethsettles5597]

Not Angry. Whenever someone gives information for the purpose of making a "GOOD" decision, emotion should be only a factor in the decision, not THE deciding factor. Top Case: I doubt I will convince my wife to remove the Top Case. She loves and is always using the top case (Givi's). Her WeeStrom came with a 3 piece Givi set. The saddlebags are wider than the handle bars. I am hoping to convince her to replace them before the next "long" trip. For the road around town, top heavy is less of an issue (i agree with your analysis), but for now, it is what it is. My current bike, like a Goldwing (a Kawasaki Voyager '03) all is built in. But it's for sale and after that I will use all your information in determining it's replacement. Raingear: Be sure the material lasts, but that it also breaths.Our first set we bought we still have, but I hate using them because in Latin America it will start raining, but your sweating under your pants and jacket makes you more wet than the light rain. We have some on order called Froggs Toggs and I hope they do better. We lived in Arizona when we bought the originals and only wore them a couple of times a year. Here in Panama, it would be closer to once a week during the rainy season. Over Packing: My favorite thing. I hope to get better. My next bike won't have a hitch, so no more trailer to carry the kitchen sink. :) Eat Too Much: Always. Actually, lighter meals, with an occasional "healthy" snack in between during breaks (I like those protein energy bars, or fruit if available, also meat jerky again if available). The usual in the US is a hamburger and soft drink. The worst for your health and soft drinks are really bad (sugar and other chemicals).

[@motorcycleadventures]

Do whatever suit you and make you feel good on the bike.

[@kennethsettles5597]

Thanks, and have a great trip!!!!

[@gordonLP]

I agree that the top box is definitely not a good idea, I had a Honda Crossrunner which had a top box, what I found was that in cross winds, it would act like a big lever at the back and would be like someone trying to push the back of the bike sideways, I took it off and never refitted it again. In your opinion would side cases therefore be a better choice as they are normally low down and either level with the back axle or slightly forward and thus not levering up the front of the bike? Gordon PS: I recently bought a Honda X-ADV, when I collected it the dealer had fitted a Free of Charge top box (apparently worth £600 with the carrier), as soon as I got home I took it off and now use it as an expensive but useful tool box!

[@motorcycleadventures]

As you already know I am not a fan of hard cases either, but if you have to choose between panniers and top box, always panniers. Try some soft luggage options, you might like it.

[@tomaszdugopolski7112]

Gordon Waltham HI! How is Adv bike performing ?

[@b61dew]

There is no " traction " on the frontwheel, unless is 2x2, but anyway, never had and not planning to purchase a top case. Learned a lot from your videos, good health and good luck!

[@motorcycleadventures]

By saying traction I mean the contact to the road.

[@GaseousWorm]

Since I ride doing a wheelie the whole time, my top box actually just helps me out on this so im good :)

[@motorcycleadventures]

For this it will help definitely!

[@sumporfuk]

Ha, ha, ha, LOL! I have the top box for my GSA but I only use it once every blue moon around the town for light grocery shopping or something like that. The only time that I have ever found a top box to be quite necessary and useful is on a scooter. The scooter is the one vehicle I cannot do without a top box.

[@motorcycleadventures]

Agree about the scooter.

[@seekter-kafa]

actually, eating wrong food (that is - mixing food) will make you sleepy, if you eat only one food (only fruit, or only meat, or only carbs) your body will use it almost immediately and you will be alert and full of energy all the time, not to mention more healthy and fit, but that needs some practice... the alternative is many small snacks instead of few large ones

[@MrDeadSkate]

Hello, another great video as always :) ! I have a question : " Even if i check the max loading weight on my tail ( in my motorcycle is 10kg ) top case is a bad idea? " To be honest i have expieriensed all the facts that you have mentioned and i agree to everything you say.It's just that sign at my bike's tail ( 10kg max) that i consider it's purpose sometimes .

[@motorcycleadventures]

10kg is the max because more than this could damage your tail, but how your motorcycle will behave with that weight on the back its different story.

[@elendshuraglump3620]

Hi Pavlin, all the mistakes you talked about, i have already made in the past. Some of them more than only one time ... But i must recognize, that i still use a topcase on my bike(s), because it is so convenient, especially for the every day handling and therefore i will not dispense on it. Of course, i already tested soft luggage, but i was not really satisfied with the handling, especially the proper fixation made always problems and was ever a source of danger. Maybe, i had not the right stuff. Ride safe my friend, Hans

[@motorcycleadventures]

Use whatever you like and serve you well Hans. You have more than enough experience to know that. All the best!

[@nickianarch]

I actually have my top case just because I can put two helmets inside - and yeah, it's a soft one and will break at the first bigger fall. :)

[@motorcycleadventures]

If you like it just use it.

[@naveendinakaran5656]

Wow a pure technical information you gave on top box it really makes sense

[@motorcycleadventures]

Thank you! I hope that more will watch this video!

[@naveendinakaran5656]

@@motorcycleadventures yes absolutely