5 Years Later... Triss vs Yennefer Romance Debate in the Witcher 3. Based on the Books and Games.

[@xLetalis]

I would appreciate if you watch the full video before commenting :)

[@malekiththeeternityking5433]

Too late

[@justamanofculture12]

Too late, already commented. Gun is fired, the word has been spoken.

[@xcom5791]

to late

[@toraryoung]

It is a sad situation that players don't get to romance them both....

[@leonfurtner3248]

Uff have already commented

[@paulcourtemanche3549]

Gwent is Geralt’s true love as everyone knows.

[@MrProdigy810]

Nah bruh. Obviously... It's Roach

[@paulcourtemanche3549]

Truth_810 if Geralt could play Gwent in Roach then he is truly happy.

[@AlejandroDeYavorsky159]

*Silent nod*

[@mattiOTX]

Mine too

[@kronoscamron7412]

And roach, let's not forget roach.

[@Mitch-nx2ic]

A moment silence for those who tried getting both.

[@teracotta9089]

F

[@jackali5014]

me lol

[@DuongVu-qi6dc]

Then end up getting Dandelion, which is better than both :)

[@H.K.5]

@@DuongVu-qi6dc Yuck.

[@theguynooneremembers1148]

I did but it was just accident... I was just being nice to them

[@karlvoneberstein7252]

As a book reader : Yen As a gamer : Triss As a show watcher : Roach

[@MasterRaven0707]

As a show watcher:Jaskier

[@fredtott4684]

As a show watcher: Renfri.....She was THE hottest thing in the series...

[@simmysims9209]

Lol

[@danitiwa]

As a Blood and Wine stan: Gay polyamory with Regis and Dettlaff

[@weedosh]

couldnt have said better myself

[@alexboehmer6888]

Triss is a lot less mature but Yen is a lot more distant and abrasive those are pretty much my cons for them I like both but lean towards Triss a little more just because her personality is a lot more warm and calm.

[@Robert-ud5pv]

Thats cause Triss is feminin, and Yen a modern "boss bitch" with attitudes from borderline, narcism and sociopathic behaviour ... an absolute red flag for any releationship, I mean she even keeps complaining within a sex act xD Like I mentioned in another comment, there is a song line from "in this moment" its: "I push you into the darkness, just to pull you into the light, thats basicly what Yen is doin all the time to form a co-dependancy by emotional up and downs. Within the netflix show she gets told "to release her inner rage" she collected within there traumas over the years and that this would be her "power" yeah sure, a furious emotional outburst of a female psychopath xD no but thanks no, I go for triss every time, and stay MILES away from "crazy hot chicks" since my last ex was exactly like Yen, even her look was quite similar, but hell no, never ever again xD

[@MrAnderson5157]

The moment of clarity for me was when keira says "Well, you believe Yennefer will stop treating you like a dog some day - don't see me laughing.” After considering it I changed my romance to Triss. Triss is young, that is her only vice. Yen is a cold, manipulating, and I have to believe isn't faithful due to the fact she rarely has a reaction to Geralt being with other women. Yen just likes the D imo, not much more to it, Triss actually loves Geralt.

[@sabokhan8591]

A lot less mature.... Isn't an issue

[@yoobeepedmeinthebeep]

​@@MrAnderson5157 I like playing the game on what Geralt would like so yen all the way, she's the love of his life. If i played personally tho, i'm a sucker for Yen. Her cherishing and protecting the things she loves and lets nothing gets in between is what i love, and she's very strong, smart and confident. And on why not Triss is because she took advantage of Geralt when he had memory loss and didn't mention triss or ciri even though she knew both of them really well and Geralt never shown romantic interest to her, just the same how he behaves to his other friends w benefits. Theres even a mention of Triss using magic on Geralt to make him want her which is straight up creepy. She seems too obsessed. Yen could be very mean sometimes but she's at least honest. When she doesn't wanna mention something, she simply doesn't instead of lying. Works for her because she's reliable.

[@MrAnderson5157]

@@yoobeepedmeinthebeep If you get to know and understand yen you learn not to take her attitudes personal. She's been through a lot. When Geralt commits so does she. Triss is young and flighty. In my opinion she only wants G because he was her first love. She's more about the idea than the person. Yen is the exact opposite. I think they were written as opposite love interests that way. Yen loves G but dislikes the idea. A lot of that can be contributed to her feeling like she has to love him thx to the wish. They resolve that latter and become perfect for each other. Yen is also more attractive spells or not. Triss plays out like a girl with daddy issues.

[@KennyOspreay]

5 years later - Player: Triss or Yen Me: Zoltan

[@rasm0s]

I would die for zoltan.

[@persgodiva]

If that was a genuine choice, I'D TAKE IT

[@roundlake96]

Dwarfs get way to little love in games :(

[@horsewithnoname2042]

@@roundlake96 have you played the game Dwarves?

[@awesomedude2556]

Hold up, Yarpen Zigrin is the true og

[@9robb5]

xLetalis: Triss or Yennefer? Intellectuals: Roach.

[@Athaeus]

Geniuses: Which one?

[@CaptainBloodsail]

Don't influence rule 34artists lol

[@AdmiralBonetoPick]

There's a word for 'em, but I'm not sure it's "intellectuals".

[@jadencoremusic]

Shani will always have my heart

[@petervansan1054]

Eskel: Goat

[@DilinarTanel]

When it comes to love interests for Gerald, I think it's a shame that Shani isn't more of an option and just a onetime throwaway section in the DLC. I would have liked her being a third main romantic interest like she was in the first game, where the player could choose between her and Triss.

[@tiberiudinca9091]

man forget shani, that's just an old fling. GIVE ME ANNA HENRIETTA

[@DilinarTanel]

@@tiberiudinca9091 no thanks, I dispise royalty in general.

[@landlordlol]

@@tiberiudinca9091 Jesus, how do you choose her??? Triss is flirty and a little naive(in books she is naive. She grows up in games), Yen is bossy and sarcastic, Shani is gentle and kind, but they are all very caring and loving. They emphasize Geralt and help him. On the other hand Anna Henrietta is a total b!tch. She is kinda pretty and that's it. You didn't kill an immortal sentient being that is your friend's friend and wouldn't kill anyone in the first place if a my dumb sister wouldn't manipulate him into doing so but my sister survived and he left Toussiant for fricking ever and you also saved my from my sister killing me? Well, f you. You killed an immortal sentient being who is your friend's friend by sacrifing your friend's normal life and saved me from an assassination? Well, here is a few pathetic thousands crowns. You wasn't able to save my dumb traitor-sister from an immortal sentient being who is your friend's friend? Waah waah I want mommy and milk and f you. What good things I did as a person and as a ruler? I killed thousands of civilians to save my stupid sister, lmao. Give me one solid reason to like her beside her ass and face.

[@SwordQuake2]

@@DilinarTanel >despise royalty >is named baron

[@DilinarTanel]

@@SwordQuake2 arguing about a user name I nade 20 years ago. I even foget it's there.

[@testedhawk]

I absolutely love how the decision to choose between two fictional women has more debate than anything else in The Witcher fandom

[@Matthew075]

Wait they're not real?

[@renanrodrigues6255]

@@Matthew075 sadly yes...

[@ThisGuy1219]

The title of “Best girl” is srs business

[@ProtoManiac2283]

They say the Witcher is all about morally grey choices

[@winstonchurchill7822]

@@ProtoManiac2283 and yet the most dicussed choice isnt gray at all...

[@aaronvillareal6052]

Both are flawed lovers for the same reason: you can't challenge either to a game of gwent

[@xLetalis]

yes

[@theodorebear6714]

You steal Priscilla from Dandelion then?

[@Supermario19001]

@@theodorebear6714 you cannot break the bro code like that. So go for shani instead

[@theodorebear6714]

@@Supermario19001 Wait, you can play Gwent with Shani, can't you? I'm actually a fan of redheads and Shani is a medic too. She really has got a lot going for her.

[@Supermario19001]

@@theodorebear6714 you can ask her to play. But thats not why you should pick her if you dont want a mage

[@MiroslavZuberec]

"I don't like them in the books, as... not not like them as characters, but not like them as people I would want to have a relationship with" That sentence, which I did not transcribe correctly, I am sure (around the 28th minute mark), perfectly summarizes my point of view when analyzing characters. A character can be mightily well-written, yet still be the sort of which you would kick in the backside if you had them in your own life. Very good video, true that. :)

[@pranjalfarhan7771]

Geralt be like: When I'm to choose between one sorceress and another...I'd rather not choose at all

[@yubasheehan8552]

This comment is underaprishated

[@reedhamkalariya6976]

Hed go with a novigrad who...e

[@miraelrozczarowniczona8901]

He would be more like "When I'm to choose between one sorceress and another..I 'd rather choose them all"

[@AwesomeRara]

Mirael Rozczarowniczona and throw in a medical student as well

[@titanscerw]

@@miraelrozczarowniczona8901 well we know that Margarita is next on his to do list as per Eilhearts knowledge ...

[@RikiJasmin]

I am married for almost 5 years now. From my and my relatives experience I can say that wife's are like Triss in the beginning and slowly transform to Yennefer. So no matter who you choose youre fucked. Update after 1 year: holy shit over 3k likes!! My wife finally dyed her hair black. The transformation is complete.

[@maciejhammer2681]

I've just read like 40 comments and yours was the first one to make me laugh out loud, congrats!

[@jellyjilli1004]

That's exactly what I was thinking! Triss is like when you're in that getting to know phase and you're trying to impress them and kinda hiding your worst but Yen it's like your wife so she doesn't sugar coat anything.

[@SignoreDelCaos]

A wise man

[@selcal1948]

best comment here :D

[@prisonerofthehighway1059]

There’s some truth to OP’s comment. The issue is, if you play the game right, you can keep “Triss’s” respect. “Yenefer’s” never have any respect for you from the beginning and you can never earn a woman’s respect. Either she perceived you were worthy of it in the first 30 seconds or not. You’re locked in at that rate in her mind forever.

[@G1lgamesj]

The "Smart" choice would be: Shani The "Girl that has the biggest crush on you" choice would be: Triss The "Love / Hate relationship" choice would be: Yennefer The "Loyal forever" choice would be: Roach The "I only want to **** all the time" choice would be: Syanna

[@Lord_Sesshomaru]

Correction- The "I only want to ** all the time" choice would be: the brothels 😉. Also now that Dandelion is tied down with Priscilla someone needs to carry the torch, stay single and mingle.

[@FumblsTheSniper]

Shani is literally the only love interest that doesn’t back stab, rape, talk down to, or in general abuse Geralt. She’s so cool that she ultimately dips out on him to go help the sick and dying because she’s just a real g like that.

[@MiguelAlatorreMusic]

@@Lord_Sesshomaru correction: the only one I want to **** all the time are the crones

[@lutherloser5122]

Wasn’t the whole love for yen just a magic spell and there is a whole quest about removing it?

[@beanwithbaconmegarocket]

My Geralt banged everyone he could in my game, but I had to draw the line at that domineering psycho bitch Syanna.

[@greenpeanutz3335]

This is easily my favorite Yen vs. Triss video. It feels like you touched on both characters nicely without being overly biased towards one side or the other. I always come back to this video just because I love the points you made here!

[@ehpillot64]

"Well I don't have a favourite" yeah the famous neutrality of a witcher, Letalis

[@xLetalis]

I reveal my 2 favorites in the end :)

[@ehpillot64]

@@xLetalis That's true, I was just too impatient (and possibly I couldn't run the risk to forget about the joke and having to comment an essay about Yen)

[@fabiocosta3830]

I go for Triss. I prefer a flirtatious, fun, and inteligent woman that stays loyal as much as possible and that genuinely seems to enjoy my company, rather than a bossy and holier-than-thou woman that bails as soon as she feels a bit bored or disagree with minimal things. I have the full book collection (from The Last Wish to Season of Storms), and the 3 main games. I admit i started by the games (got Witcher 2 for free trough Games with Gold back on the Xbox 360 era), and when i jumped to the books i got excited to learn about Yennefer. Her demeanour on their first meeting was a surprise, she had a rather rude demeanour. But i would think she would soften up and improve for her lover's sake. Did not happen. She got more controling, and would bail on him and avoid him often when either they got upset or he did things against her will. Honestly, i feel his third wish to the djinn (that their fates be tied together) was more of a curse than a blessing. He can't free himself of desiring her because of it, and she can't compromise when they are together (as short as it be). So they clash. Yet, they got tied by faith. So they are nearly forced to cross paths always. Triss is a teenager, compared to Yennefer, and Geralt treats her for some time as a lover in Kaer Morhen during the first months of Ciri's training. Yet as soon as Yen's presence or hints appear, Geralt moves his gaze to search Yen again, as if is under a spell. The fact the games make him suffer of amnesia, gives him a blank slate for many things. Of course, he feels the yank of the fate pulling him towards Yen, and do start to remember their relationship in time. Yet by the third game, and as he spends more time with Yen, it feels that is more like a pleasant memory to him than his true love. Ofc, that depends from the player choices. But, for some reason, by then a relationship with Triss feels more fun, more loving and honest. Triss grows and gets more interesting game-by-game, whereas Yennefer barely changes. Is just repeat the cycle again, and again.

[@overheatedeskim054]

You just explained Yen tho lmao. Triss is so annoying she should have blue hair

[@Vespyr_]

@@overheatedeskim054 But she has red hair. You ever kiss a girl with red hair? It's pretty good.

[@TheAkaaChan]

Thanks for your comment! You explain it very well. I really tried to give Yennefer a chance.. but she is just too bossy with Geralt, I find it rather toxic. In Witcher 3 I really like Triss. It is just like you described her. That's for me a functional relationship. But considering what she did in Witcher 2 wasn't good too. This is why in the end I didn't take Triss or Yennefer. But I really can understand your arguments.

[@danknado97]

Triss cheated as hinted by lambert

[@heavenwhispers3809]

@@danknado97 like geralt never cheated 😂

[@F4BLE21]

Tbh based off the books and the games I'd choose to be alone and be the best dad ever to Ciri

[@xLetalis]

not bad

[@gc_coco3925]

thats what i did with my first playthough

[@lain39x]

MFs be like triss or yen, i just want to be good dad to ciri.

[@preguicadetu]

same

[@imyoursuperbeast8220]

Not me with my first playthrough. I fucked everybody!

[@nagarajanveerannan2967]

Short answer: Whomever you like in the game. After all it's a RPG.

[@xLetalis]

Yes, an underrated comment.

[@EyeofCenter]

This is what I've been telling people who ask me the past 5 years. Bravo.

[@Bfrank98]

@@xLetalis your underrated :) 👍

[@imixupwords5340]

Yeah but im playing as Geralt not me, I am roleplaying as Geralt of Rivia, Butcher of Blaviken, The White Wolf. If it was actually me in the game, you know a player made character, I would choose Triss any day of the week but im not. But I am perfectly fine with that, so many games am I just this random dude that somehow got into this situation. Its refreshing to play as someone else, where you feel like you're guiding Geralt not playing as him. All in all The Witcher 3 is just a masterpiece in storytelling, the only other characters I play as whom I genuinely care about are Kratos, MasterChief, Bruce Wayne(Batman), and Peter Parker(Spiderman). I can't wait to get into Cyberpunk 2077 and Halo Infinite when they release in November.

[@EyeofCenter]

​@@imixupwords5340 I don't want to assume things that weren't said and put words in someone's mouth, so I'm just going leave my thoughts. Some people are convinced that Geralt of Rivia would never pick Triss. That the REAL Geralt would only have 1 choice. That's an entirely false premise that's since mushroomed - which this video actually debunks. Those people seem to think because they read the books, they know what Geralt's going to do in THIS game - but this game isn't a sequel to the books. It's a sequel to the first two games, which are sequels to the books. Geralt's choice has to take into account both the books AND the past games - and by W3, either choice will make sense from his perspective. Geralt's lived a whole new life since he woke up in W1. He's not just picking up from where he left off in the books. He's looking back on the books - and his relationship with Yennefer - as the past. He remembers just how turbulent and toxic (not just my words) it all was and he has a new perspective that he didn't have in the books. Since then, he has rediscovered who he is as a person and rebuilt himself from 0. He's also had a very deep relationship with Triss that, as we've seen, has made him happy - though it was also very flawed and complicated. Now, he (GERALT) has a decision to make. He can choose to go back to Yennefer despite it all because she makes him happy OR he can choose to break the cycle and try to move on to the new life he's created (which has also made him happy). EITHER choice is valid from Geralt's perspective because they both take into account everything that's happened. Not one or the other. Either choice is conceivable (even if you have a preference) and either choice is made through Geralt's eyes. Not the players'. That's one of the reasons W3 is a great game (and a great RPG). It's a story that's taken both the book continuity and it's own continuity into account when presenting this decision.

[@Omega6047]

How is this even an argument? Dandelion is obviously best girl.

[@Call-me-Al]

ಠ_ಠ

[@tyrantfitness]

I like the damaged love between Gerald and Yennefer the most. They are both damaged people, Geralt's mommy issues that are alluded to and his difficulty feeling worthy of love and Yennefers similar feelings due to her ugliness from birth, suicide attempt etc. Triss seems too different from what Geralt wants, he wouldn't accept her love

[@Lunardragonfly65]

Me, who has never played The Witcher: Hmm, yes, interesting.

[@NgaBalkan]

I discovered the Witcher at the beginning of corona, it became my life! Gwent is everything!

[@popescuandrei5142]

Dude you need to play the games , don't now what you are missing

[@Rayven_420]

@@NgaBalkan What are you selling? Heard anything lately? >Hankerin' to play some gwent

[@Bjjbhcoa86]

@@Rayven_420 I am like that Elven Trader, addicted to cards...

[@vexjaeger4314]

Why did I read that in Geralts voice.....

[@rpsnider85]

What the fuck man!? I was trying to swallow coffee when that cutscene showing fucking UMA as Yen popped up. I damn near died choking with laughter.

[@xLetalis]

:D apologies

[@njnjco]

The true happy ending of the series is Geralt not choosing either and living on the path with Ciri. Geralt can always find another lover, but he only has the one daughter.

[@woolly268]

I like to not end as witcher with a relationship too because I`ll have too many concerns

[@outsky20051]

Agreed, but if that is the preferred outcome, may as well just chose both.

[@gabrielefried3853]

Exactly the way I see Geralt - and Ciri visiting Corvo Bianco is so much more satisfying.

[@TheKisj]

My man👊

[@aidanjanemcintosh6919]

he can always bang Ciri-- or Roach

[@erikaantonsson9327]

I think, generally, Yennefer acts the way she does because she felt unwanted as a child. Definitely agree with the part of her wanting to be a mother for herself and to prove something, but even the cheating (and everything else lmao) can probably be linked to her childhood. It's difficult to explain, especially to someone who might not have experienced it themselves, but it's "easier" in a way to hurt people before they can hurt you. Instead of letting Geralt (or Istredd, honestly) figure her faults out for themselves, she just creates a bigger problem. Instead of "my parents didn't want me because I'm clingy and I'm scared Geralt will realize I AM clingy and leave" (or whatever), it's "Geralt will leave, I might as well do whatever I want". And hey, I might be wrong, but that's sort of what I got from her character. I might be projecting, though, lmao

[@anothertarnishedone5960]

Who want any of those skinny, double-crossing dolls when you have a muscled, hairy and honest dwarf at your side? Zoltan ftw

[@ladansemakabre]

finally an intellectual

[@sliver-fox-thot-patrol]

There we go! I'd rather have Geralt run off with Zoltan, Dandelion or, hell, even Thaler!

[@clintonr.6581]

Based

[@DustGamezX]

Agreed, what's more masculine for Geralt than having a mead arse kicking mahakam born son of a dwarf instead of two cheating magical hags.

[@natyelmaligno4022]

Man of culture I see

[@Conqutih]

Comment section will be fun and letalis wants to have fun 😆

[@xLetalis]

Yes and no ;]

[@jojo-bl1dj]

The Uma sence was brilliant :D.

[@MadChemist8]

@@jojo-bl1dj Uma scene killed me

[@spacecat7596]

Damn you, Netflix. What did you do to my Triss!

[@mubzplay]

Iam not a fan of both but i can say that .the true witcher story triss is a low content charechter.but she have affair with geralt while he have amnesia.in the triss used in game is wrong.she have hair like in the witcher show half ginger colour.but i have sad triss need some more improvment in netflix one

[@AdamWest1290]

They butchered her and fringilla sadly...and the show she looks nothing like in the books either but after playing the games ill always love the games version of triss, the show casted her and fringilla very horribly i honestly wish they would recast but the way how things are today highly doubt it..just hope season 2 is way better and has more episodes

[@seraby7151]

@@mubzplay i dont really care much about Triss since she is such a side character in the show/books. Cdpr has such a hard on with Triss because they can do whatever they want with her and not break character or lore. But they fck up with Fringilla in the show, which is a more important character imho.

[@kutyautokis9608]

We must hoping that comes a magic, and makes her hair to red, and eyes to green... XD

[@FreshMetal80]

@Aoife What are you talking about. Triss is NOT a major character in the source material, and her "romance" with Geralt is completely invented by CDPR. Yennifer is his canonical love interest. Always has been, always will be.

[@sillygoose_8635]

Why is there no discussion about HOW the Last Wish affects Geralt and Yen's relationship. I think the whole push and pull thing of their relationship is intentionally vague about whether they truly love each other or if it is just the Djinn. There's an entire quest about breaking the Djinn's magic to see what remains and its even a line in Wolven Storm, a song ABOUT their relationship and I feel like that wasn't at all discussed here...

[@YuubiTimberwolf]

The Djinns binding is such a big thing, they can't go out of eachothers lives, they are bound and it brings the worst of both out at times Including extreme insecurity, they both don't know if thier feelings are true and with Yen's history, that build up to abusive behavior

[@toxicwaste159]

Well that is a big thing in the games but I assume its not really mentioned here because it actually playing such a massive role is sort of a game invention. Like its left vague in the books what the wish actually was but neither Geralt nor Yennefer even mention it again after this story, nor are any thoughts about it described in the books and if it really was that important to their relationship wouldnt someone bring it up at some point? But no, as far as the books are concerned their push-and-pull relationship is simply a result of who Geralt and Yennefer are, that is two psychologically damaged people, specifically in the relationship department since they were both rejected/abandoned by their parents and despite living to what would be advanced age for ordinary humans seem to have never really loved anyone, at least not romantically. Really, it shouldnt surprise anyone that the result is a toxic dumpsterfire, at least until Ciri enters the picture and inadvertently forces both to get themselves in order and also brings them back together, again.

[@helcaraxe301]

"Women are women, Stregobor. Yennefer, Triss, Shani; it's all the same. The attractiveness is a matter of agreement, and the morality is unclear. I'm not a faithful man, and haven't dedicated myself to one woman in my life. But if I am to choose between one woman or another, I'd rather not choose at all."

[@sirmag1735]

Lmaooo

[@cameronkalisky4333]

Did you just quote yourself”?

[@fParad0x_]

Hahahahahh

[@ljrussell2108]

😂

[@ljrussell2108]

Idk if this was poetry or a ideal but shit.... 😂

[@regiszem]

Me whenever I see Netflix’s Triss: “look how they massacred my girl”

[@LuisTorres-bb6so]

She suffers the same fate as the Little Mermaid. So out of character... 😭

[@Dae...]

Yea she was done dirty. My God. I was appalled. Diversity needs to die.

[@LuisTorres-bb6so]

@@Dae... Finally someone with common sense!

[@kurtisrobb5906]

I'm all for diversity... when it makes sense

[@minuterepeater2257]

@@kurtisrobb5906 Same here, though alot of these anti shw's are just hypocrite as sjw's, cause for decades caracters also have been white washed. And funy enough they never had an issue with this, and when they did spoke out they always talk about "it isnt a big deal". The same goes for their hypocrite stands on the meaning of representation, which according to anti sjw's people shouldnt moan about, unless of course it happens to them. Sjw's and anti sjw's have more in common with each other than these two peracetic cancerous movements ever will care to admit.

[@Derek_The_Magnificent_Bastard]

Not making Triss a redhead in the Netflix series is a goddamn travesty.

[@eliwoodnguyen1505]

Its blasphemy and we know it

[@ulfricstormcloak8114]

Hollywood hates red heads!!!

[@archi4226]

Because she is not redhead... Game made most characters prettier than they should be. Triss has chestnut hair, Fringilla is brunette and not pale white, Yennefer is brunette, Geralt is not suposed to be good looking, neither Ciri, I don't remember Jaskier's description but i pictured him as in the series anyway

[@Boromir237866]

@@archi4226 She IS redhead. Yen calls her in LotL "ginger". Or she points once "Immediately, immediately! Oh, I want to grab you by these red shags...". If ginger or red shags are talking about chestnut color... oh my.

[@codywhittenton6144]

Archi reguardless of how you think Henry cavill looks you can’t deny he did a great job and is obviously passionate about the Witcher universe

[@da1otta]

Given the frequency at which the game prompts you to mount Roach as opposed to Triss and Yen, I think it's clear who Geralt's intended is.

[@ConorCarlisle]

The answer for me is obvious: Shani. Shani is smart, brave, and isn't motivated by anything other than a desire to use her skills as a medic to make a difference in people's lives. She never manipulates Geralt, never lies to him to get what she wants out of him, she isn't possessive, she doesn't belittle him constantly, she trusts Geralt enough to let him make his own decisions, and in general their relationship just seems far healthier and less toxic that his relationships with Yenn *or* Triss

[@samofsamnation7523]

A horribly underrated comment, and I love it so much.

[@heinrichmirgrautsvordir6613]

I dont know if youve read the books, but book Yennefer is entirely different to the game Yennefer. In the books she rarely lies to him, protects Ciri with her life and gets tortured to reveal the position of Citi, while Geralt fucks Fringilla. So based of the books I would make the argument that Geralt doesn't deserve Yennefer.

[@ConorCarlisle]

@@heinrichmirgrautsvordir6613 Yeah I've read the books. I still stand by my original comment though. But don't get me wrong, Geralt was pretty shitty too

[@itslife1399]

well if you stop being a witcher and start traveling with her then yeah as long as you leave everything else behind.

[@erikaangelatumaliuan8280]

Yes, Team Shani

[@Aswornbyshade]

You can’t do better than The Crones. All 3 of them!

[@xLetalis]

yes!

[@zulysun89]

Lol eeeeew

[@mitchelm8783]

A wise decision

[@zulysun89]

Tec 9 lol ok

[@eclectica1]

You may laugh or cringe, but there was definitely some top grade flirting between them in the cutscenes.

[@LiaraGaming]

My interpretation of why Yennifer is the way she is, is because she's always expecting people to not like her. She thinks, if people aren't going to like her anyway, she might as well get the upper hand. So she acts like a b*tch first so people have a reason to not like her instead of trying to play nice and they hate her anyway. And in that way, she's won the game. She's very self defeating. She acts tough and confident and powerful and sure of herself. But inside, she carries a lot of self doubt, maybe even loathing in some cases.

[@TheEnigma271]

Right she puts on a facade but there’s brief glimpses where you see who she really is as a person. She’s just a much more interesting and relatable character than triss. She kind of reminds me of mirage from apex legends which is my favorite character

[@chrisbusenkell]

Jen seems to still have a chip on her shoulder from when she was misshapen. She seems to have the approach that everyone she comes across would have wronged her if she was still her natural self and thus she can look down on them or treat them with less respect than they might be due. At first i understood this and kind of agreed with her approach but it's been plenty of time and she should have turned down her bitch knob quite a bit by now and hasn't. She's like Hilary Clinton, she doesn't really want a mate, unless that mate is going to help her obtain more power. That is what Jen wants and her appetite for it is insatiable. She's a cunt.

[@echowolf4230]

But the other witchers (which she knows for years by the time of the Wild Hunt) also note, that she behaves like a b*tch. She doesn't act like a bitch at first, she does so constantly. Letho pretty much says the same in the conversation in Loc Muinne at the end of the Witcher 2.

[@redshirt49]

Explanations aren't excuses. Yennefer is awful to everyone around her that isn't Ciri, if she were a real life person people would be well within their rights to give her a very wide berth (and they absolutely would). Whatever the reason, Yennefer reacts VERY poorly to being questioned, challenged or disagreed with in any way. She is arrogant, stand-offish, rude,, inconsiderate and downright dismissive of everyone around her. She isn't that much different in the books either (she has her moments sure, but every abusive person has them). Hell, in another game you could keep her character traits exactly the same and put her in the role of the villain and she'd fit the bill just fine. What Geralt, or the community at large, see in her is a goddamn mystery to me.

[@LiaraGaming]

@@redshirt49 I can see the vulnerable person underneath who just wants someone to appreciate and love her for who she is. But you're right that she can be abusive in behavior. And if she were a real person, I wouldn't want to be around her. As a fictional character, I can love the person she is underneath and that she shows to Ciri.

[@ryanawol77]

Triss was just nicer to me in the games. Hence why I romanced her. Yennefer's only strength in the story is the "We have history" drama with Geralt. But at the end of the day, my Geralt lives now, and not in the past. Yen was being too difficult to interact with, especially when every conversation turns in to a mini argument. It gets tiring after a while. So when I met Triss, it's clear to me who I should choose.

[@Chadius_Thundercock]

If I heard my girlfriend was constantly fucking other guys, including my best friend while we have a child together, I’d be pissed at her as well. Now do you see yen’s perspective? Not to mention Triss took advantage of Geralts amnesia instead of actually helping him recover his memories

[@DundG]

Triss lied to Geralt in Witcher 1 and 2 about being his Girlfriend and in Witcher 3 acted all drunk in the vegelbund estate to kiss him, but sobered up the moment the barones son arrived. She acts all nice, but manipulates Geralt out of insecurity. She is actually very immature and her sweet act is also that, an act to win Geralt back. It will probably get less when she feels her relationchip with geralt is secured. You don't get into an argument with Yen if you prioritize Ciri like her and don't ask stupid questions, despite the game laying these traps in your way. Actually there are dialog options where Geralt critiques her and she agrees that she is wrong, namely when she questions the traumatized skellige woman about the wild hunt. Probably other similiar things. But it is understandable that she is less patient, her daughter is hunted by the wild hund and no one knows how close they are to get her. Unlike all the helpless people begging Geralt to save their loved ones, she is capable to help reaching the goal and has no patience for unnecesary diversions. She actually expects Geralt to be as urgent as her, since he is Ciris father.

[@Hananiah70]

@@DundG I still chose Triss in my last playtrough. I kind of liked her calmness.

[@DundG]

@@Hananiah70 Hm, as far as I remember Yen also kinda calms down when Ciri is found. I'm currently in a Yen playthrough and almost found Ciri, so I will see :) And Triss also looses her cool when resqueing the mages. Geralt needs to calm her down and to focus when searching for an escape in the sewers. She definetly is not used to so much pressure as she has a lot of self doubt through the game. When you romanze Triss you also see a vision where she wants to live with Geralt and is so afraid that he would reject this idea. So afraid that she kept it secret from him and freaked out once Geralt saw it. Somehow she is not calm if you think about it... but she is sweet, you wanna snuggle her! Thats why I liked Triss in the past. In the end Geralt needs to act as the strong shoulder for Triss, but of course gets a lot of love and admiration back. But she still needs to learn to not be lead by fear of loosing something and then use manipulation on the people she loves to not feel rejection. That is very selfish and taints her charakter. Yen has her own problems. Like her damn trust issues and unwillingnes to explain her plans to anyone as well as her snarkines when she feels you waste her time. But if she feels that you know and understand her, she accepts critizism from Geralt. And unlike Triss, Yen is independent and can get her own shit done on her own. And she is direct in her critizism, coated in a lot of irony. Also unlike Triss you know at all times when she is holding her cards open or not. This certainty in her charakter can be calming to, although her charakter is a demanding one. I really think it is preference. If you want a younger charakter or an steadfast charakter.

[@mihaimercenarul7467]

Harsh truth and argument șiș far better than false love and being nice. You are a very naive child. That îs the harsh truth

[@schokitotoro]

Let's just agree that the best pairing is Triss and Yen and completely leave Geralt out of the equation, for everyone's sanity

[@DavidBASTIENFR]

My favorite kind of magic: lesbomancy !

[@SrChr778]

No, it just incurs my wrath upon CDPR.

[@UnifiedEntity]

......Nah.

[@The_Based_Batman]

*Cocks Shotgun* Uma or bust.

[@solarawing7051]

I prefer Geralt and the Doppler in his Geralt form as the best of best pair

[@blackjesusmcvader2234]

For all of you, make your own story. Chose the one u wanna have for your ending, because the books only giving u the author's mind of the story. CD Project Red giving you the chance to continue and make your own decisions. A story isn't something with a right or wrong ending, or a path u have to follow. A story is something that arises in your own head.

[@xLetalis]

well said

[@ahmetattilagunal7251]

@@xLetalis lol dude 1 year later and you still answering comments ım suprised to be honest :D good channel. ı already subscribed. by the way if you see this comment, by the way the ending with all main charachters in the game in corvo bianco with a celebration is that a mod or something like that ? i guess it is ?

[@xLetalis]

@@ahmetattilagunal7251 that's the 10th anniversary video ;] it's not in the game

[@winstonchurchill7822]

Author's vision should be respected instead of being tossed away,he was the one that created the characters. He knows the best for them.

[@winstonchurchill7822]

Saying Triss is the true love of geralt is disrespecting the author. And many trissfans say so.

[@Rekaert]

I love how RPG's that are important to the players produce these irreconcilable debates. Skyrim has "Stormcloaks vs Imperials". A debate about conflict, passion, treachery and where loyalties lie. Witcher has "Triss vs Yen". A debate about conflict, passion, treachery and where loyalties lie.

[@DarthPingu07]

Praise the gods

[@DarthPingu07]

I don't understand anybody who sides with imperials. The whole premise of the start of the game was the imperials lopping your head off 😂

[@xlgapelsin6173]

@@DarthPingu07 Because the empire is the best choice for skyrim since they hate the thalmor as much as the stormcloaks

[@DarthPingu07]

@@xlgapelsin6173 the empire are puppets of the thalmor. A United skyrim can at least defend its borders against them. Skyrim would be subjugated under the empires rule.

[@thelordghost2912]

@@DarthPingu07 or join ulfric a fucking racist and kill balgruuf the only men that help you to capture a dragon in his city ?

[@Avyrsoul]

I saw Triss's refusal to restore Geralt's memories in the first game as her not wanting Geralt to remember Yennifer so she could have him, which i thought was pretty manipulative. So i went with Yennifer. I liked the ending i got where Geralt and Yen just retire and decide to travel the world together as a boring old couple

[@trustnotasoul8249]

If you’ve read the books then you’d know what yennefer did was far worse😂😂

[@yoobeepedmeinthebeep]

@@trustnotasoul8249 But Geralt still fell in love w her lol I trust him, Yen best girl

[@GalahadTheSeeker]

@@trustnotasoul8249What did she do to Geralt that's worse exactly?

[@trustnotasoul8249]

@@GalahadTheSeeker slept wit her ex for an entire time she was wit geralt she would sleep with him one night then with her ex the next morning n had them both thinking she was wit them exclusively n then when geralt confronted her about it she said she didn’t regret it n was considering her exes proposal n geralt is such a yennefer simp he was ready to pre much kill himself until he realized her ex was gonna do the same so he knew it wasn’t even worth it cuz it wasn’t on him or the ex but her so they split up for longer than usual not to Mention she pre much took Ciri from him n was gonna give her to the lodge n he was completely against it but didn’t have the heart to say no to her cuz he simps for her n she knew that the lodge wanted to use her for there own selfish shit but was gonna do it anyway n she knew ciri wanted to stay wit geralt I could go on but I’d say read the books yennefer is fucked lol I don’t feel bad he slept wit triss n it hurt yennefer she wasn’t the most loyal in a lot of ways but cheating on him the way she did was fck crazy when I first read it I got so fck mad 😂😂

[@GalahadTheSeeker]

@@trustnotasoul8249 Reading this gave me a headache, thanks for explaining though.

[@alessandromarostica421]

Everyone: TRISS Everyotherone: YENNEFER Letalis, an intellectual: Philippa Eilhart

[@michaelsnyman2800]

So where is Roche in this conversation?

[@bigrat6536]

I agree they left out loads for example roach ,Roche and gwent

[@breedlove94]

Lol Phillipa would only screw a guy if it meant furthering either the Lodge's or her own ends

[@kamilkrupinski1793]

Jaskier (or Dandelion) divided women into four cathegories. Very nice - those who, when you propose them to go to bed, joyfully agree. Nice ones - reacted with playful laughter. Not nice reacted in a way impossible to predict. And there were totally not nice women - Jaskier felt shivers down his spine and trembling knees whenever he even thought about making such proposal. Philippa Eilhart is totally, totally, absolutely not nice. Also, she smells like a wet owl.

[@silverman824]

Shani is my girl, I enjoyed Heart of Stone with her than I did with triss and yen in the main game

[@meanpersona4686]

*shows the "Night to remember" Bruxa* "Let's talk about our dear darling Triss"

[@savagegeralt9830]

orianna you mean

[@savagegeralt9830]

her name is orianna wtf do you mean boomer

[@dragonflyeet]

@Bruh Moment the lullaby and the hint in Blood & Wine indicated that its her in the trailer.

[@dragonflyeet]

@@HardSkolas you're complicating this whole thing my guy, its the same voice actress , the same character model, the same lullaby sang in B&W, with Geralt even said "you know I'll come for you, right?" which then leads to this trailer. What more of a validation do you want?

[@savagegeralt9830]

@@HardSkolas wtf how is being a bruxa related to knowing where the unseen is...and it is not even confirmed that she is a bruxa...and yes it was her in the trailer..i don't know where these dumb ppl come from..ever heard of something like lore kid?

[@DrEhrfurchtgebietend]

Yen lost me when criticized the cloths i chose that she picked out for me

[@juraj.b]

@the 13 yo metalhead but he is just step dad :D :D

[@aidenbyron7650]

Tbh I prefer neither, Yennefer at least laid out the clothes for Geralt and on the other hand Triss sent Geralt to get the clothes and do her chores instead like an immature person who just has a crush, Yen on the other hand is more like a wife and acts like it. Yennefer in the books double timed Istredd and Geralt and left both, to the point that these two came to the point of wanting to fight to death, Yen also kept constantly sleeping with different men. Triss also cast magic to seduce him and didn't like Yen at all in the book and did a lot of things that made me come to the conclusion that she's very immature. In the end tho, yennefer in the books did give away her life by overusing her magic to save Geralt's life, while Geralt also died by getting stabbed in the back by a pitchfork used by a peasant, Triss just watched. Overall conclusion: Triss is immature, Yen is the wife type who also cheats and is possessive too in a way in the books. Roach is the best partner for me, the end.

[@zee1645]

Aiden Byron not very sure if you are serious for calling yen a cheater... unless you are just one of those sexist ignorants that think women don’t have the right to fuck whoever they want before marriage. Ideals of people are pathetic. And yes, Geralt doesnt have the right to complain. So who the hell are you to judge?

[@Fingolfin7455]

@@juraj.b oh my, stepdad, what are you doing... This... Feels so ... Good Yes daddy, do me

[@pervezhassan9148]

@@zee1645 bruv...

[@mochy3258]

Having only played W3 I liked triss a lot more than yen, the time with her in novi was a lot of fun and it gave me a good view of her, this video doesn’t change my mind when finding out what yen would do to Geralt while his memory was wiped and whatnot, but this video has also made me want to read the books even though I don’t like reading as I can’t focus properly. Great video in my opinion, loved it.

[@thejoyfullad970]

In the books yen comes out better by the end

[@averongodoffire8098]

Triss or Yennefer Both sides: *so you have chosen...* *death*

[@philippz.5460]

hahhaha

[@vernoncarino7054]

what happens?

[@tredfxman]

No uv chosen Yennifer. Its the same... (BiatchbaddaBiatch!!!!!!) 👍

[@BMTVPilipinas]

I love triss but I always choose yen I don't know why

[@xLetalis]

it's Destiny :)

[@dreamingflurry2729]

Masochist! I never can...she's too much of a turn off! Her beauty is only skin deep, as soon as she opens her mouth I want to either run away or gag her!

[@theArab__]

@@dreamingflurry2729 she’s actually a great person. CDPR made her slightly unlikable so people would choose Triss.

[@acecondor289]

Neither does Geralt...

[@Johnnythefirst]

@@dreamingflurry2729 She's honest and blunt, and clearly loves Geralt.

[@santinoschinchirimini4021]

Triss this, Yen that... When are we going to start including Uma in this conversation?

[@pclouds]

Uma is having fun with the witches at Crookbag Bog. You want Uma, you need to accept a fivesome.

[@thatcitrusfriend6234]

(2nd Edit: I'm so so so sorry for leaving a whole essay long comment. Don't hate me Letalis lmao.) I've never read the books so I'll mostly be talking about the game - I think Yennefer is better from a lore/book/story perspective, but Triss is far nicer than Yen, so I personally prefer her. Triss also came off as more emotionally connected which I liked, and it suits Geralt. The conversation he has with Ciri about love interests really solidified this for me, as he describes his relationship with Yennefer as, "fight after fight," vs if he actually chooses to be with Yen it's just, "Well yeah, obvious choice, we've always been together." (clearly not a real quote, but you get it). It kinda felt like the game was trying its hardest to push you towards her in various ways, and on my first playthrough this was really off putting (especially coming from the Witcher 2 where you get more Triss). On another note, Yennefer just felt distant in comparison to her. Despite the connection you can feel Yen has with Geralt, you're always left with the sense that she doesn't let herself be too romantic or too close to him. This could of course be attributed to her past, but it's an awfully sad thing to subject another person to. But I also think if you're, again going by the books, Yennefer is Geralt's lover no matter what. The "maybe" Letalis describes is still there. Could she be better than her initially colder impressions, and eventually find a warmer love with Geralt? Sure, but it doesn't make her less unlikeable to me. At the end of the day, both of them are such different people, so being on one team or the other doesn't necessarily mean anything. I don't absolutely hate Yennefer either. I actually really like her as a character, but as a love interest? It's more questionable. 1st Edit: Coming back to this comment a year later and I don't find Yennefer nearly as "unlikeable" anymore. I still believe the toxicity of her and Geralt's relationship from the past is never properly addressed or reconciled (so ofc it still kinda bothers me). Similarly to how the Triss/Geralt's amnesia situation isn't properly addressed or reconciled either. However, I understand why Yennefer is the way she is. More importantly, the fact that Geralt is ultimately unbothered by this. He knows that behind her cold exterior she is a genuine and loving person. He also knows it's hard for her to let her walls down - The conversation they have about trust at Kaer Mohren stuck with me, "I'm more worried you don't trust me." It *is* tortured logic (as Geralt would put it) to hide information in hopes of gaining trust. Even so he lets it slide for her sake because he knows she never keeps secrets for malicious reasons. I'll end this similarly to how I ended my original take: Triss and Yennefer are different people. Who you like more has to do with how much leeway (benefit of the doubt) you're willing to give each of them. Barring that, it's honest to god a simple matter of preference. In my mind, there are completely valid reasons for romancing one over the other, either way. It's why this discussion is so interesting, we could talk about it forever - CDPR has created one of the most heatedly debated choices in gaming history. Utter chaos. Peak insanity. 😭😭

[@Robert-ud5pv]

Yen is a red flag, she is the definition of a modern "boss bitch" with all signs of borderline, narcism and sozipathic behaviour. She isnt just "distant" ! Its what forms the "co-dependancy" to keep Geralt chasing her, its pretty funny that they use the "Djinn" as the source for that "co dependancy bond" cause basicly its her inner darkness that created this bond by all love bombing and gas ligning in a steady up and down phase, its like a drug dependancy, she keeps you on distance (push into the darkness) right as long before you try to end this shit, and then she comes closer again for a few "good moments" (pull you back to light). so yeah I got my personal Yen in real life a while ago.

[@dureteheiral1793]

i dont like Yen for all the reasonings you had described before... Yen would make a good lover to some extent but that is it.. the relationship with Yen never truly nor going to be a rose and honey relationship... Yen is over too manipulative to my liking.. Yen is one of ways to choose should you like a girlfriend with benefits.. or political marriage of sort.. but if what you ever wanted is a family life and raising kids together.. Triss type is way better choice by far.. raising kids because both witcher and sorcerer are infertile...

[@yoobeepedmeinthebeep]

Emotionally connecting suits Geralt? Baby he sleeps w every sorceress who steps in 2 miles his range.

[@dermegger7733]

It's not only Triss. Zoltan, Dandelion, the other witchers, no one mentions Ciri or Yennefer in Witcher 1. I think this was a decision made by the developers (even if not a very good one) to make the plot happen.

[@xLetalis]

Yes, I say that in the video

[@dermegger7733]

@@xLetalis Yeah I didn't follow your advice in the pinned comment and didn't want to delete the comment :)

[@xLetalis]

@@dermegger7733 Hehe, nobody does anyway

[@dermegger7733]

@@xLetalis ah sad xD

[@HunterHearstHennessy]

Actually, I heard an expanation that went like this: For the first half of its development, TW1 supposed to have kind of blank slate character. I say "kind of" 'cos the class (witcher) was fixed. That blank slate character would allow the player live Geralt's adventures as a new character. Then, midst of development, someone decided to bring Geralt back and the script had to be adjusted to this. But the development studio, even it had the support of the distribution business (soon to be GOG), had limited resources and at some point needed to wrap and deliver the game. So, TW1 end being Geralt re-living some of his own adventures (plus some new ones) with a surrogate-Ciri and surrogate Yennefer. It seems there was no re-writes for characters that didn't appeared in the game. So I guess they ran out of time for the dialogues. Source from the expanation: amp.reddit.com/r/witcher/comments/ajyhox/why_is_no_one_telling_geralt_about_yen_in_witcher/

[@Samdaman747]

I think Yen and Geralt both lack relationship experience, despite being older, and this serves as the root of many of their struggles. Neither has had anything remotely steady with Geralt on the Path constantly and Yen refusing to allow herself to be ensnared by anyone for too long. It's not surprising that with their other baggage in addition to it being both their first true attempts at a lasting romance, that they run into issues and struggles. Geralt chafes at idleness while Yen battles her fear of commitment. As far as I can remember, Geralt never actively cheats on Yen as most of his relationships occur before he met her or when they had split up once more. The Fringilla chapters always read to me as if there was some sort of magical aphrodisiac in the air of Toussaint, especially since Fringilla had been tasked with delaying him as long as possible. I also can't remember if he knew Yen was alive or not at that point and whether he still thought her a traitor, not that that stopped him from moaning her name whilst banging Fringilla, so make of that what you will. In the end, they're two damaged and traumatized people who slowly but surely lower their barriers and open themselves up to the possibility of a true love. As a Witcher and Sorceress neither expected to find love, as they were outcasts, different, viewed as other than. But in the end, they have each other, someone who always comes back to them, who accepts them for who they are, flaws and mistakes included. It's not storybook because it isn't linear, it isn't pretty, but it is well earned. Edit: I had more thoughts as I played TW3 once more. I think it's interesting that Yennefer is written more like a male action lead than a female one. We all know the type; damaged, emotionally unavailable hardass who is soft for like two (2) other characters. Half the male main characters I can think of are like this and people love them but because she's a woman, people just say, "lol what a bitch." This misses the change she goes through over the whole series, books and games included. She's not the same person she was when she was first introduced and that's a good thing! Characters are supposed to evolve, otherwise stories are flat. She does soften over time, and yes it's totally fine that it's only for a very select group of people, that's still a big change for her. She doesn't need to be lovey-dovey on everyone because that would feel disjointed from the character we know. She is still Yennefer, after all, a ruthlessly pragmatic person who's lived a very long and cold life. As for their ending, I thought it was very believable and real. Both Geralt and Yen were ready to settle down before the coup at Thanedd threw them across the Continent. Then they were ready again at the end of TLotL before the riot that killed them both. I guess people skim over the fact that Yen was going to kill herself (did actually kill herself? it's a little unclear) trying to revive Geralt before Ciri took them away, but it's important and it happened. Yes, she doesn't play well with others. That's fine, it's called a character flaw and it makes her more interesting. It would be boring as hell if she was a super strong sorceress who loved Geralt unfailingly and fell all over herself to please him and everyone around her and was sunshine and rainbows all the time. Now, Geralt. I wish, just once during TW3, when a character trashed Yen and called him a bitch on a leash, essentially, that he responded with, "I trust her with my life and more importantly, with Ciri's. If she says something needs to be done or is imperative, than I believe her. She's not given to practical jokes or flights of fancy, and certainly wouldn't indulge now." Nearly every time she gives you an order, there is a dialogue option to question her if you wish, but after decades of interacting, I think Geralt knows when it's necessary to question her and when it isn't. He knows she loves him, at least once he got his memory back (*ahem* triss *ahem*), and so he isn't put off by her brusque manner, in fact, it seems to amuse him more than anything else. I wonder what Sapkowski was really trying to achieve with their relationship. Maybe, it's simply that sometimes loving someone isn't enough if circumstances don't match up, as we see them bounce off one another for decades before their lives finally align in a way that allows them to commit fully.

[@alliefrancisco5735]

THANKYOU!! FINALLY SOMEONE HERE SAID IT!! 💖 i do feel for Yenn too and at some point actually sees myself as a Yen type of partner after all the traumas, pains, and struggles ive encountered before. been always so distant, so hesitant to wholly show my real feelings and grew afraid of commiting (always coming off as a bitch type too where in fact i really am not) but imm slowly trying to better myself!! so im all for Yenn here too👄

[@iridescehydra6253]

Sapkowski explained he made Yen for Geralt to grow as a character, and to give the basic male fantasy reader a female protagonist not conform to their every desires and cliché expectations. "Ha! That's what makes the story interesting, don't you think? Being a huge fantasy reader, sometimes I find boring or disgusting the stories where the hero can have sex with any woman, because those women can't wait to have sex with him. In those stories women are the hero's prize, the warrior's reward, and as such they have nothing to say, they can only moan and faint in the hero's strong arms. I am convinced that only with contact with the other sex - wether it is cause of attraction, care, confrontation or opposition - a hero can fully grow. When I created Yennefer's character I wanted Geralt to fully grow, but then I decided to make things complicated. I created a female character who refuses to be a fantasy stereotype. To please the reader."

[@mydickisunbelievablysmallb7098]

Yes. Yen and Geralt both grow and change as characters because of their love for each other. In the last wish you see how they finally open up to each other that their love is real and nearing the end of the game they talk about finally settling down and growing old together. This is showcased in the blood and wine expansion when yen completely leaves the sorceresses life behind to live with geralt and spend their life together where triss said that she will visit him.

[@artemis1993]

Geralt and Yennefer's relationship is the classical soulmates romance as described in Spiritism. A romance between soulmates is the purest in the world, but also the most challenging of all. Soulmates being on and off many times is even considered a fairly frequent occurrence with many people, very much like what happens with Geralt and Yen.

[@juliacabanska1308]

Hey, just in case you were curious. In polish version the voice actress for Triss is the same as for Fiona in Shrek 😂 So it's kinda funny, because both of them wears a lot of green and has bright red hair 😉

[@TaufikAkbar7]

wait for withcer 4 and boom Triss become an Ogre

[@blaszizzz]

True...the voice actress also has red hair xD

[@gothamgoon4237]

The original voice for Princess Fiona in Shrek was done by Cameron Diaz.

[@juliacabanska1308]

@@gothamgoon4237 I know, but I was watching in polish 😉

[@blackenedwritings]

Kinda late to the party but same goes for the german voice actress of Fiona (Esther Schweins). She even kinda looked like Fiona back then although she's still a gorgeous woman at 54.

[@suskit]

Ultimately the choice is always a player's and even reader's projection onto a MC. We identify with a protagonist, but we don't assume their personality. So what we wish for them is what we'd wish for ourselves. We can still observe other characters and judge their actions. But when we say "Geralt is better off with [insert name]" it's still "I would choose [insert name]". I think Tolstoy once said that he'd like Anna Karenina to live and not throw herself under the train, but he recognized that she'd still do it anyway. Even though he's an author and can make his characters do anything. We may disagree with Geralt, but it seems he chose Yen because he really understands her deeply, her trauma, her vulnerabilities. And he is able to do it because of his own baggage. AND love her despite all that of course. They kinda compliment each other in their disfunctionality. But ultimately they can also help each other overcome their trauma and attach securely. Which we see in the W3 finale.

[@ManiTabibzadeh]

"sit back relax and get your pitchforks out...." =))))))))

[@montblanc6982]

This will not end well... again!

[@chiefpurrfect8389]

*traumatized Geralt noises*

[@powerup9035]

@@chiefpurrfect8389 i wonder how many will understand your comment

[@chiefpurrfect8389]

@@powerup9035 Anyone who has read the books/paid attention during the cutscenes in W2 probably

[@yithanong7593]

The amnesia plot for not telling Geralt about Yen and Ciri is nothing compared to the fact that Geralt's witcher buddies sent an amnesiac Geralt to chase after a evil organization named after an amphibian.

[@Nootlest]

Lmao

[@gabrijeldmvc]

what?

[@nfmg1719]

Salamandra

[@thelaw6267]

They knew him best, it was what he would have wanted.

[@LunnarisLP]

I mean they were a bit desperate and Geralt kinda insisted on helping. That being said they probably should have done something to make him remember. And the person who could have done that the best was Triss, yet she didnt do shit. Not to mention Geralt mostly sees other witcher in the winter and probably doesnt talk all that much about romance with them. So arguably the person that by far knew the most about at least the Yen+Ciri situation and what happened to Geralt was Triss and not his witcher buddies.

[@jazmineprincess7878]

I think it’s safe to say that people who only played the game chose triss while book readers chose Yen

[@gabor89]

I played only the game, but i really like Yennefer. Played long ago, but i think i cant choose Triss. I was also unable cheat her with Shani and Keira :D

[@jazmineprincess7878]

@@gabor89 then congratulations, you are a certified Masochist 🎉

[@yoobeepedmeinthebeep]

Men maybe, as a gay woman Yen snatched my soul instantly, so did my best friend who's also a woman.

[@terra7283]

Biggest issue is Geralt loving all the women. He needs help, probably mommy issues.

[@LettuceLand]

Except in the books whenever he's in a relationship with another woman, he only thinks about Yennefer. This is a recurring theme

[@CancunMimosa]

Your tone implies there is something wrong with loving more than one woman.

[@BansheeKing22]

@@CancunMimosa there is. Same as its wrong to love more than one man for a woman. But I'm not going to get into that kind of debate here.

[@HanithSVK]

@@BansheeKing22 I wouldn't say bad, more like problematic, but under specific circumstances, it is how we "survive". Imagine that your "love" died(accident, illness etc.) and you are alone... But after some time, you finds someone, who you fall for once again. Is it bad? Just because you fall in love with someone else, does it means, that you have to forget everyone else? Yes, over time, those feelings may fade a little(or a lot), but still, if it was love, then you most likely will never forget(nor want to forger) someone like that.

[@BansheeKing22]

@@HanithSVK i couldn't do that. Doesn't matter who the new person is. I firmly believe people should only ever have one physical partner thier entire lives. Unfortunately this world encourages sleeping around and calls it good when in reality is disgusting.

[@Logitekz]

I was trying to romance regis the whole time. Intelligent, caring, capable, open to change. Lemme jump those old vampire bones.

[@xLetalis]

lol :D

[@jinettegull4595]

Haahaha awesome XD I have a soft spot for Regis too! I wish I had his wonderful conduct of language.

[@lynn-Ryo]

Gotta admit I also got a little crush on him 😂

[@mako5996]

I hope you're a girl

[@kas8ia]

@@mako5996 why

[@cluelessbird101]

We do get a fair bit of insight into Yen's past in the books. We know that she was a hunchback, that her mother abused here and ultimately abandoned her and gave her to the sorcerers, and it is implied that Yen might have even attempted to take her own life. While she is beautiful by the time the books start, she is still heavily insecure. Similarly, Geralt was also abandoned by his mother, and also considers himself a freak. They're both afraid of commitment, as they are both quite insecure, hence why they keep leaving and cheating on one another. While not the healthiest of relationships, their love for each other helps them work through their issues and set them aside, so that together with Ciri they can be a family and have the kind of love that they lost as children.

[@JenocidalTendencies]

I think you’re not too far off with the motherhood complex with Yen, but I think it goes even deeper than that. My personal opinion is that Yennefer believes she is incapable of love, in any form. That’s why it takes her a while to get to grips with how to even relate to Ciri. It’s almost like she’s trying not to mother her and also trying to awkwardly figure out the best way to be the perfect mother. With Geralt, I think it’s also a combination of the fact that Geralt in the books isn’t a great person either. He’s a great Witcher, a master of his trade, for sure, but he has this horrible sense of self-loathing and his usually pragmatic world-view often sours into full on cynicism. He has his own baggage, which he brings to the table alongside Yennefer’s, which results in these two deeply flawed and hurt individuals clashing, because they’re also both STUBBORN AS FUCK. Yennefer, in the words of Sapkowski himself, was the answer to Geralt’s immaturity. She might be a bitch and carry her own baggage, but in her weird, emotionally taxing way, she challenges Geralt to be a better person. There are better ways to go about it, no doubt, and I am in no way suggesting Geralt’s relationship with Yennefer in the books is healthy (they’re both very toxic to each other) but I don’t think it was meant to be. I feel like (book) Triss would have enabled Geralt’s toxic behaviors, while (book) Yen actively challenged them. Game Triss learns to put herself first because she’s valuable as her own person and not as anyone’s lackey or second choice, and Game Yen learns to trust others and that she can love and be loved in an honest, unguarded way. Geralt learns to stop being a massive idiot. This is a gross oversimplification, but that’s the gist of how I see it. I like how both romances offered a sort of redemption for each sorceress and serves as the completion of Geralt’s character arc.

[@bucky699]

This all of this

[@Sp33dyStallion]

I feel like if triss had the relationship that geralt had with yennefer in the books, triss would have jumped through the same hoops that yennefer did in aiding Ciri. I also think that Triss would challenge geralt's toxic behaviors, as she in fact did in Kaer Morhen during Blood of Elves.

[@hme850]

This is hands down the best take I've read, seen, or heard anywhere.

[@AlphaKennyBody--12]

well said, 10/10 would fully agree with again

[@Itsmeyourdad666]

See? This is why I picked Yennefer. That and she’s one of my favorite characters from the book series

[@jacobtworks]

Geralt's soulmate he lives out his life with, happily ever after??? *Majordomo Barnabas-Basil*

[@Bjjbhcoa86]

They play Gwent until the end of time :D

[@rocco_siffredi.]

yup, did it in the green house they did

[@chasealan2166]

If I hadn’t read the books I could totally see myself choosing Triss over Yen in The Witcher 3…but after reading the books I absolutely could not choose her….her choices in the books made her incredibly easy to dislike to me. Yen has done her fair share of shady things to Geralt as well but Triss just seemed to me like a lovesick puppy over Geralt and when he didn’t want her she used magic to “help” get him to sleep with her and it never happened again in the books except that one time so Geralt had no feelings for Triss smh and like you said she’s very easily manipulated by her superiors and made some really crappy decisions due to pressure from the Lodge so yeah….Team Yennefer ALL THE WAY! Lol Yen felt to me like the only one that truly cared only about Ciri and Geralt in the end and would do anything for them…Triss’ loyalties weren’t in the right place to me.

[@FraZzJ]

Triss in stories: Looks 18 ish In Game: Looks 18 ish Netflix Adaption: Looks 45+

[@ezrealxshsh5460]

In Netflix series she looks at least 24-29 lol

[@ezrealxshsh5460]

Yennefer looks like a 28 but no one talks about that XD Edit: Yennefer in the game

[@geraltofrivia7456]

@@ezrealxshsh5460 actualy, in the series Yen look like 20 years

[@popkhorne5372]

In the book series, most sorceresses look 20, to use their charm while sorcerers prefer to look 30-40ish. Well, there is the exeption of mages so old the processus used to look young did not exist till they were already old asf so they look freaking old. So yeah, both yen and triss are supposed to look 20ish. But in the show, yen is younger than geralt. Whereas in the books, she is older.

[@SharkVaderYT]

I agree

[@ellara1760]

3:51 letalis: talks about triss *pic of netflix triss appears* also letalis: unrelated image if that’s not a burn, idk what is

[@MrLimo217]

Yen was always be my pick, even as a newcomer to W3, she always seemed like the obvious choice and I think it's always linked to their relationship to Ciri. Philipa explained it perfectly, Triss is like Ciri's sister and Yen is like a mother to her.

[@folivier3724]

It's a point that I didn't feel in the game. As much as the father-daughter relationship is obvious, the mother-daughter relationship is barely sketched. Especially from Ciri who seems closer to elf than yen. I found it unfortunate in terms of writing. And it's not Philippa that I'll trust on that since she spends her time wanting to manipulate everything

[@TheSilverwolf97]

Either way you shouldn't base your relationships on the way others relate to it. Yen can continue to be a mother figure with or without Geralt. The point is who Geralt chooses as his partner not who's Ciri's mother figure.

[@Ruimas28]

Yen is not an obvious character in the books. A lot is in the air because the author decided so. Therefore multiple visions are perfectly possible. Myself, I see a couple hints pointing in a certain direction: . we get to know Yen was not loved by her parents. And she suffered with it so much so that she enacted some form of revenge on them. This is very dark and its at the core of her. To me this will establish someone who severely lacks being loved and believing that someone can love them back. Yen likely does not believe she can be loved. This may or may not be interesting when it gets to Istreed. . we know that Yen was a student of Tissaia and Yen seems to have Tissaia in a very high regard. But is there love? Motherly love? Philippa is referenced as Tissaia´s best student so....its possible Yen was not Tissaia´s most beloved one. They did get along and Tissaia became the kind of strict teacher that Yen was in need. But again, Tissaia seems to have instilled Yen into power, appearance, duty to magic, controlling the world. All this will add into Yen lacking true love in her life. She is needed by Tissaia because she has some power and because she is a good follower. Not because Tissaia really likes her. . Then the child issue. The child issue could make sense into all this. If Yen longs for true love she may well think that she could have loved and be loved by a child. She may well think that would have been her best chance to find true love. Given her age and all that she has done around with magic, she may be more and more sure that a true child would have been her only chance of exploring true love. . And in comes Geralt. Geralt is very Alpha. The very first time they meet Geralt gets to see her in bed and he then is obviously interested in her body during bath. Yen is disturbed by this and tells him so. How bitchy she gets may be a perfect logical consequence of her thinking that none can truly love her. She may be thinking that Geralt is only feeling lust for her body because she has been altered magically and that´s all there is to it. Notice this will then fall in line with how she is pleasantly surprised with whatever was the last wish. Yen knows what it was and she is surprised but happy with it. She seems unable to believe that Geralt may be in love with her for reasons deeper then just her looks. Notice also how she talks about the elf that loves her because of chemistry. She says that its only because of chemistry which again goes with her disbelief that anyone may love her for who she truly is. If all the above makes sense, then her actions start to have answers. She is simply coming back and forth constantly between "he loves me", "he loves me not". Most likely she did the exact same thing with Istreed and never believed he really loved her. Now....the trick is....Yen does fall in love for Geralt. And this is when she looses more and more control and gets even more torn apart. Because she does fall in love for him and she does honestly hurt like hell each time he sleeps around. At the end of the book she just does not want to know if he was sleeping around. She just wants to ignore it because she loves him and she has decided that´s going to be it. Its possible that she may still remain unsure if he ever loved her. Ciri, slowly but steady becomes the very first human Yen believes to be honest in relation to her. And it confirms what she thought that a child could be the way. She slowly but steady discovers how much her link with Ciri grows and how much she enjoys and likes it. As time goes by, we see more and more of Yen going sweet and emotional with Ciri. Sorry for the long thesis but.....Yen is complicated loool I just think this is a good possible answer.

[@biancamendoza7079]

Hard Skolas wait what? I thought this person was referring to the books...

[@qqq4200]

@@HardSkolas the author approved of what was in the show and stated that he supports what was in it (because he believes an artists vision should be respected) so even if he/she is using some things from the show its still valid, seems i need to re-read the books coz i thought it was all book stuff that was referenced aha

[@Kat.Grinin]

I don't see how this commenter is using info from the show. All of this was at least hinted at IN the books. So yeah, Yen is a total mess, but that's what makes her unique.

[@Ruimas28]

@@HardSkolas Nop, I used absolutely nothing from the show :) The facts I used are all in the books. The info about her parents is given when she visits a temple in Skellige to get a big jewel. She has an extra corporeal mystical experience where she reveals there is something very dark in her past regarding her parents. She clearly reveals she hated them and she came back after Aretuza to get revenge. Everything else is pretty much from the Last Wish tale which is a book one that was adapted into the show. The book makes it much more clear what is it that Yen dislikes about Geralt at first and why she is not very pleased with their first meeting. Its much more clear why she decides to use him to go beat her enemies around. But it is also very clear she did not intend for his death because in the book she tries something to interfere with Geralts trial and release him. Because in the book he does not get free just because he blew up one guard lol There are authorities which need to be convinced and explained what the hell was going on lol There is just a tiny bit from A Shard of Ice which is another book tale that was not adapted into the show....Istredd is in the show but book Istredd and show Istredd are not the same story. There is no hint in the books that Istredd was ever disloyal to Yen so it kind of works more in line with the problem being only Yen and something which has been at her core since very early. Her relation with Tissaia is shown just a bit in the books and its wildly different from the show. Yen seems to be very loyal and a full believer of Tissaia in the books. For whatever reasons which are never explained, Yen is always a Tissaia supporter. She also displays certain traits which are noted to be present in Tissaia so it almost looks like Yen has Tissaia as her role model. However, it is also clear Yen is not nearly as strict as Tissaia. She does follow the same protocols but she is not someone who will go crazy if glasses are not perfectly aligned on the dining table (Tissaia famously is loool).

[@Kat.Grinin]

@Arikikami Chan exactly, she's a broken human being with loads of baggage. Yeah, she can be bitchy, that's her defence mechanism. I don't condone her every action, but it's obvious why she behaves the way she does. Sapkowski himself said he didn't create likable characters, he once outright said something along the lines that he hated Ciri for example. But he has created realistic human characters with their flaws in a world of, I'd say, realistic fantasy. That's just grand!

[@MrMann-gt1eh]

Oh my God, that “unrelated image” bit on Triss vs her movie counterpart was hilarious! 😂🤣

[@MrSanbonsakura]

Me in 2015: Yennefer 100% ! Me in 2023: well i need peace ... and love ..so Triss

[@werewolfx51]

Gwent is the ultimate Geralt's love now he's free, Yen and Triss is just recreative hobby, i don't need watch the video, gwent is the path of self-knowledge, is the universal truth. Except for nilfgaardian faction...

[@werewolfx51]

@@chrisbruhe ''Nods''

[@MultiKarola]

Recreative hobby?!

[@yilgis8129]

Hey! Nilfgaard faction is good!

[@werewolfx51]

​@@yilgis8129 Nilfgaard faction is OP.

[@Engine33Truck]

Nilfgaard is a good faction in the games, but it’s much better in the Gwent: The Witcher Card Game app.

[@yamasaer]

Almost got a heart attack when Triss Netflix version pop-up in your video.

[@dan5708]

*_ONLY THIRTY MINUTES?_* Impossible.

[@lucifers.morningstar3805]

You underestimate his power.

[@lafaucheuse2001]

perhaps the archives are incomplete

[@titanscerw]

Shorter then I expected ...

[@robinkozusnik8425]

ZZoomer Too long

[@doubledl6568]

@@lafaucheuse2001you made my day

[@Kommisar_Lutter]

Just quickly checked fee things regarding Triss' age in my books - it's more reasonable to think she was around 50 in the saga, since she knew Yennefer for over 20 years. On wiki there's something about her studying in Aretuza 35 years before saga, but i couldn't find that one.

[@alexisea8874]

The war has begun. so i am gonna say how about a round of gwent?

[@xLetalis]

Triss faction or Yen faction? :)

[@imnotpayingchildsupport4506]

With pleasure challenge accepted to gwent

[@alexisea8874]

@@xLetalis if i've to choose between one sorceress or the another i'd rather choose shani faction

[@Lufa01]

pull out the weist lol, i place 300 gold for win lol

[@markberry3494]

Not with the Skellige Pack! Lol

[@randomnib2997]

Yen is _extremely_ similar to my ex so I chose triss lmao

[@visiondemocraciatv4905]

so healthy

[@drazen2840]

No😭😂

[@gabrielteixeira7564]

Same

[@yunaleenoelle]

this comment deserves more likes 😂

[@vmanmadsen123]

Triss is too similar to my ex’s, so yeah, I chose Yennefer

[@supereldinho]

One one hand, Triss took advantage of Geralt's amnesia and lied to him...but she was perfectly willing to endure torture in order to help Geralt find Ciri -- and considering she has a much lesser stake in this than Yen, that's saying a lot. She also risked her life to help the mages flee Novigrad, refused to leave even one of them behind and outright refuses to practice necromancy. On the other hand, Yen is much more personally loyal to Geralt but she bosses him around constantly, expects people to blindly trust her despite constantly keeping secrets from them, always puts her own needs ahead of others and when she used necromancy on Skjall, not only did she ignore his pain but she went out of her way to act like a bitch to him, even going do far as to guilt trip Geralt for feeling more sorry for him than her. That last part was the final straw for me and made me wash my hands of her. I hated Triss for lying to me near the end of The Witcher 2 and outright told Dijkstra that it was over between us, but I'll be damned if she hadn't worked her ass off to earn my forgiveness. As for Yen, she was merely cold and unlikable at the start, but after the incident with Skjall, I wanted nothing more to do with her...which is a shame because she does mellow out considerably after saving Ciri, but by then it's too little too late. The way I see it, the choice between Triss and Yen boils down to how much you're willing to forgive Triss and how much you're willing to tolerate Yen's attitude and behavior.

[@BigeggsBlackPen]

Nice comment.

[@lessgetit4841]

I agree. But the breaking point for me between these 2 was the Blood and Wine ending. I hate politics and so does Geralt so for Triss to return to that sht and “visit” you occasionally sucks. Meanwhile Yennefer fully retires with you

[@BigeggsBlackPen]

@@lessgetit4841 You have a point, but in my pov on Triss, I think she just like her job (or just want to do job) I guess. And Geralt respect her decision and accept it because he love her. So Triss is a working woman that back home after work and have a dinner with her husband. I think its pretty realistic relationship here, and it make sense.

[@HypocriteHunter666]

I just don’t know why they changed Yennefer’s character rather than make her more like herself from the books which I now will have to go find and read

[@joelsantos662]

It's all pretty subjective, on my playthrough I found Yen to be pretty normal. Like she doesn't really act all that much of a bitch, she's just really focused on getting Ciri. I believe you don't get to see her bad side much unless you go out of your way to antagonize her. Her being bossy isn't really a bad trait, she's just assertive which is a good thing if you don't like women who are complete sops.

[@tranhuuuc2679]

If I were Ciri I would be bothered by the the fact that my father ploughed "my sister", so goodbye Triss

[@Mixx178]

This is probably the most balanced look at the issue I've ever seen. Well done. I always thought of Geralt and Yen's relationship as more of a warning than something to be looked up to. Geralt basically sealed his fate to hers when he barely even knew her and all the drama and difficulties that happened after that. I almost always choose Triss in my play through cuz the mood around her is always more lighter and happier. Also maybe the fact that nobody mentioned ciri or Yen in the first 2 games was not to bring Geralt pain as they were all believed to be gone forever and it was just a matter of time his memories of what happened and how he returned would come back

[@tcllandrew7323]

Just realised its like twilight but reverse gender 😂

[@xLetalis]

Well the Witcher books are older than Twilight ;]

[@tcllandrew7323]

@@xLetalis it is indeed 😛 much better love story anyway 😄

[@KhiemNguyen-ly1wz]

Nah, if it's like Twilight that would mean Geralt would have to be this useless dude who couldn't do anything.

[@Dark_Voice]

@@KhiemNguyen-ly1wz Bella's power (the shield) is kinda overpowered in their world though.

[@KhiemNguyen-ly1wz]

@@Dark_Voice Eh, she's still useless though. Spoke volume of the writing when your character is both OP and useless

[@DarthGandalftheBlack]

I have played and played and played this game. Romancing both at the same time, choosing Triss, and choosing Yen. As a huge fan of the books, I feel that Triss doesn’t quite understand or get what drives Geralt. Yes, she cares deeply for him, and I feel her love is more pure than Yen’s. She’s a great compliment to Geralt’s personality. But… she doesn’t know him like Yen does. Also, a huge thing for me is the character growth of Triss. I feel she still hasn’t overcome her transgressions of the past. And they were gravely serious. She is still young in comparison to Yen and Geralt. She has not seen or experienced the world like Geralt and Yen have. She has a lot to learn still, about the world and herself. Yen.. sadistically sweet Yen. She’s a savage mage, takes what she wants, constantly questions authority for both selfish and selfless reasons, and has by far one of the greatest growths in character over the 17:22 series of the games and books. She’s always honest with Geralt. She really doesn’t sugar coat anything. She also cares as deeply for Ciri as Geralt does. It’s all a personal choice of course. Depends on where you get your love of the franchise. As a huge lover of the books, I’ll always choose Yen in the end. Their fates are intertwined. And no one knows more about each other than these two. No one has been through more with each other than these two. And yet, when it’s all said and done, Yen is always there for Geralt. Whether she wants to be or not. Yen ALWAYS fights for Geralt.. GAH… there’s so much to be said about Yen 😭lol

[@paula5978]

+1 EXACTLY! 🖤

[@yoobeepedmeinthebeep]

THE BEST COMMENT HERE! BOTH SELFISH AND SELFLESS? HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING BETTER

[@guitarmama06]

Well put, well put! Brava!

[@camillegarnier1182]

In the books that's Triss who made everyone (included Ciri) realised that Cirilla is a girl and got some needs. And she's the one who trained her with magic. Just for that i find she earned the right to call Ciri little sis

[@harioschtroliki]

Still it's very awkward when you consider she constantly tries getting into Geralt's pants

[@HanithSVK]

Actually, while first part you are right about, she was the one who "helped" her with beginning of her "women" problems(and kinda forced Witchers to give her break periodically), it was not her, who trained her. Triss tried to find out, how powerful Ciri really was(since she was able to enter "trance" and see the future), but as she tried, she wasn't strong enough "to keep up" with Ciri. She herself later admitted, that it was beyond her power to help Ciri and she suggested that Geralt should contact Yennefer. And then, Yennefer met Ciri at the temple of Melite for the first time and she trains her to use magic(Yen explained to her what are elements and how she can use it(or at least how to channel magic from water element) and she tried to teach her some telekinesis, but if i am not wrong, that wasn't exactly success).

[@ad7265]

Triss couldn’t continue teaching her, because she was not able to carry Ciris powers. She advised Geralt to invite Yennefer. Yennefer’s contribution into teaching Ciri magic is much more than what Triss taught her.

[@docvaliant721]

@@ad7265 not really

[@spacecy]

Even in a game i couldn't get a girlfriend. GG.

[@micanikko]

Is it because you tried to go for both?

[@spacecy]

@@micanikko yup :P

[@thedevil2325]

Yeah bro i feel you i ended up dead at the end of my first playtrough

[@iSuperVamp]

Your comment was hilarious Tyrian, thank you

[@spacecy]

@@iSuperVamp :)

[@LionofDawn]

How is this so difficult for anyone to choose? This whole love affair is a lesson to every gamer, especially men. Yen loves Geralt, but she doesn't respect him. Love without respect is a recipe for misery. And when you choose Triss, Geralt mentions to Ciri how with Triss he feels harmony. A calm. Feeling like things are the way they're supposed to be. So no i don't think for a second that love in that world or in any world is destined to make you unhappy or miserable or negative in any way. That is not love, it's poison. Romance between Geralt and Yennefer is an example of what a toxic relationship can look like: Arguments, disrespect, more lust than love, and no growth or development of any kind. Just a bad cycle between two people who are not supposed to be together. Think what you will of Triss, but being with Yennefer is a horrible decision for any man to make. People who are "team Yen" are either masochist with a lot of issues, or they simply think she is more beautiful and therefore her beauty is enough reason for her to be with Geralt. F**k that. As damaged as Geralt is, and as damaged as any of us can be..... Being with the wrong person who is also damaged and has little to no respect for you, and is abusive and constantly condescending, that won't make things better.

[@osurac67]

Well stated. I was going to write something similar.

[@Loxias1989]

Well argued. But in my game, in TW3, I found Yen to be overall pretty sweet. I feel like her bad traits are widely exaggerated, if we just take TW3 into account. For a jealous sorceress of immense power, she isn't that awful with Geralt after he betrayed her for Triss 😂. Also, I like how she is more "political" than Geralt but yet willing to settle with him. Ultimately, I feel like love is painful and pain is a part of the game. A little disharmony is not a "red flag". Or else life is a red flag itself. Both romances are very good. Pick what you enjoy.

[@madara992]

well said but I dont think we should glanced over the fact that Triss took advantage of geralt's amnesia in witcher 1 and 2 like letalis said theres big problems for both of them but tbh triss seems the healthiest for geralt than yennefer and of course the complications of a wish that binds them together is also proves my point that triss is better than yen plus even cerys points out that geralt is little bit dependent on yen

[@Feyinbetween]

I don't disagree with any of your points, but I don't think Triss is a great choice either. She took advantage of Geralt's amnesia and intentionally left him in the dark about his loved ones so that she could continue her own fantasy. That's an absolute dealbreaker, and also a complete lack of respect. Honestly, if I was Geralt, I would pick neither. I'd rather be alone than in either of these toxic relationships.

[@vascocruz7987]

Cerys is the real waifu. Next 30 min video: Which would you choose to romance between Zoltan and Dandelion

[@David-nq8cv]

Those casual fans who just saw the Netflix adaptation: Dandelion

[@xLetalis]

Casimir!

[@lucifers.morningstar3805]

Eveline Gallo

[@justinfreeman4614]

@@xLetalis bro, do it. You know we'll watch it.

[@shahqurbanbaba1873]

@@David-nq8cv ewww😂

[@dramaticwords]

I think the fact that you spend so much more time with Triss in the games gives you more of a sense of loyalty to her. Also, Triss seems more vulnerable. She's someone you want to take care of.

[@alexandreleao6689]

I dont think triss is vuberable at all that is just part of her seduction, witch never stops, if anything i think yenifer is more vunrable, if only because she is not good at manipulating those around her. I still go with triss tho xd

[@lessgetit4841]

I agree. I remember first playing thinking Triss was the one but after hours in you finally meet Yennefer, I switched sides when I read up on the lore

[@dramaticwords]

@@alexandreleao6689 I suppose I'm also thinking of the books, in which Triss gets ill at one point and Geralt has to take care of her for quite a while (especially since she is allergic to magical potions). Also Triss nearly dies at Sodden Hill and is left scarred across her chest, so she stops wearing low-cut dresses like the other sorceresses.

[@godswarrior1999]

@@dramaticwords triss used geralt and slept with lambert yen is the one fuck triss

[@mikitadou]

@@godswarrior1999 why don't blame Lambert?

[@uzaysezer9565]

Just a small comment: on Witcher 3 we also do a side quest wherein Yen asks the Djinn to remove the magic coupling her with Geralt. It is indicated that Djinns and genies are a bit treacherous in the way they grant wishes in the Witcher universe. So it is possible for the Djinn to remove the magic coupling, and the feelings Geralt has along with it due to its nature.

[@mrd3902]

XLetails: publishes the video The coment section: So you have chosen DEATH Amazing video by the way👍👍

[@themaninthechair4338]

I think it really boils down to whether the witcher 3 was your first introduction to the series In the beginning, you're told that Yennefer is this important person to Geralt, he cares about her, they seem to be in love. Then you meet her and she's... catty, rude, seems insecure, abrasive. It seems like she always tries to 1-up Geralt Then, if you follow the quests in level order, you'll meet Triss, who is portrayed as a 'Robin Hood' esque figure, saving innocent mages and alcemists, who seems to care about Geralt and Ciri if you care about her. She's sweet, kind, and unlike the sniping and almost rude banter you have with Yen, her banter is more charming and wholesome. Even after, when you see Yen in Skellige, there's some funny and sweet moments, but she seems very controlling still. In the 3rd Witcher game, Triss does nothing mean, cruel or even morally grey, whereas Yen does things like that a lot, both in a relationship and non-relationship sense. So i went with Triss, and I often still do. If you read the books, Yen is filled out a lot more, as in the games, so a lot of people would pick her, and I understand that. But after listening to everything, I kinda think that xLetalis is right. If Geralt didn't age so slowly, i'd say he should get with Cerys or Shani, 2 women who do seem to care about him, can take care of themselves, and can have good banter. But out of the 2, i'd say Triss still. Hate me all you want

[@whitegluestick6039]

I started thinking about it and it would be so creepy if geralt got with cerys a 100yr old with a 20yr old

[@SevCaswell]

I started with the 1st game, and in the prologue the conversation Triss has with Geralt reveals that he doesn't remember her but feels a strong connection to her, like she meant a lot to him, and not knowing anything about the universe I assumed she was his true love and played with that in mind. Now that I know about the whole 'Last Wish' situation I think that if Geralt hadn't linked himself with Yen like that then he would have fallen for Triss not Yen.

[@InsideBSIProd]

I started with the 3rd game and I second what you said @Adam

[@JeddCaborubias143]

my deciding factor was when she acts so full of herself while talking to Vesemir, shows me how she would be as a wife. At the same time I'd respected Lambert more as welldue to this scene. I'd choose Triss in the Withcer 3 game all day

[@Acidica18]

Finally! I had to scroll through a lot of trashy comments in order to find the conclusion to the video (my lazy butt didn't want to watch 1/2 hr of summary): "But after listening to everything, I kinda think that xLetalis is right... ...But out of the 2, I'd say Triss still." Thank You! Oh, for those of you also wanting to skip the video and get the answer: xLetalis suggests TRISS as the choice for GERALT.

[@timwhite1783]

I think the relationship with Triss is purer but the relationship with Yen is deeper. If Geralt died Triss would probably move on, I don't think Yen would.

[@lizibeff]

yes!! this exactly!!

[@kortex9542]

She was fucking another guy at one point in the books while being with Geralt...... Once a whore always a whore

[@Zw285]

"What is better? To be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?" - Mario.

[@Skeeter23]

I could’ve sworn paarthurnax from Skyrim said that

[@Skeeter23]

@Amanda Fernández ohh same voice actor. Didn’t know that. Thank you!

[@Uncleanwiener1231]

Overcome

[@nosveratu7140]

😂

[@abdulrahmanalhasbani1445]

We all know the best thing that could happen is to have the curse of the black sun :-)

[@johnmccall4528]

Triss manipulated and lied to Geralt when he was at his most vulnerable to trick him into a relationship with her. Yennefer on the other hand has always been brutally honest with Geralt. I'd take brutal honesty over lies and manipulation any day.

[@MrMike0191]

Even with Yen there was a djinn involved honnestly Geralt needs to take a good look at himself and who he is sleeping with!

[@Poxteria]

@Mikel Constantin even after they break the djinns curse theyre still in love so it doesnt matter that much

[@MrMike0191]

@@Poxteria according to whom??

[@Poxteria]

@@MrMike0191 they literally say it in the game if you romance yennefer bro

[@MrMike0191]

@Poxteria yh if you romance her so you choose there is no lore , no right or wrong answer! You can choose to romance neither which i think is by far the best option. One is a manipulative sorceress, the other is a bashful one. I choose peace in the wild with my roach! :)

[@LionelZonneveld]

I’ve completed the witcher twice. First time playing i didn’t realise what kind off a impact choices could have. Every choice i made was unknowingly bad haha. Keira Mitz dying, didn’t have the full squad at Kear Morhen, made all the bad choices with Ciri and tried to end up with both Yennefer and Triss… After that i tried it again and got the best ending.. now 6 years later i will play trough the whole game again! Wish me luck! (If you have some tips let me know)

[@rickysanchez42084]

Get the lvl 2 viper swords diagrams asap

[@Br-kc2jy]

@@rickysanchez42084 Why?

[@LionelZonneveld]

@@rickysanchez42084 yeah i alreay did that haha. Level 8 now, i have the griffin armor and swords. Now just need to level to lv10

[@TheSuicidalCake]

if you're on pc trying using the auto apply oils mod

[@LionelZonneveld]

@@TheSuicidalCake ps4 😬

[@albertmas3752]

There is one thing that can only be true. Triss is as old and beautiful as she looks. The reasons have always been explained in the books (although not directly refered to her beauty and age). Triss is completely allergic to magic and sorceresses in The Witcher books get their beauty and apparent age through it. It means that Triss won't be "improved" by magic as it would kill her. She even keeps the scars she got in the battle of Sodden just because she had to be healed through conventional ways and cannot use magic to remove them. If removing a simple scar is not an option, completely changing her appearance is out of the equation.

[@unfilthy]

I'm a woman who's only even played W3. So it's really interesting to hear all these things about who the characters are in the books, and in the previous games, and that would certainly affect my perception of the characters if I'd been exposed to those first, but coming in "cold," and only with a vague understanding that Yen had a long and complicated history with Geralt that I wasn't privy to, having some very unpleasant interactions with Yen (she was dismissive, secretive, and seemed prone to playing games and being manipulative to get her way rather than cooperative or supportive), I really didn't like her (though I agree that she is the more attractive of the two). Maybe it's because I'm older and don't have patience for such thing, or maybe it was the execution by CDPR of their interactions (if the sniping was supposed to be playful, it didn't come off that way to me, it seemed mean spirited and more like trying to be controlling than trying to have fun), but I just wouldn't want to be around someone who treated me the way Yen treats Geralt in W3, so I guess I was predisposed to liking Triss more when I did finally meet her, and she was busy being helpful to others and to Geralt, caring about people, and acted like she was hurt but was trying to keep things pleasant and civilized between them instead of throwing herself at Geralt. I'd already gathered that he's a bit of a slut, so it seems the easiest, and cheapest, way to manipulate him, but she wasn't doing that, so I got a good impression of her. Also, I liked that on the one hand she was willing to torture a man when she felt it necessary, but she wasn't cold and callous about it, which made her look like she had a moral compass but was also willing to go far to help. Overall, that seemed like a better person to be with than the one who lies to you, hides things, and tries to put you down at every opportunity. So, based on only the information I had coming into the game blind, I picked Triss. Ultimately, though, I'm not sure Geralt should be in a relationship with anyone, but that's a subject for another time. Great, informative video!

[@xLetalis]

Hey, thank you for the extensive comment. It is relatively rare to see a woman who isn't a firm Yennefer supporter :) Also a cool detail about Triss is that even if you tell her to kill Yamurlak, she doesn't actually do it. You can find that out by investigating his body afterwards

[@unfilthy]

@@xLetalis Interesting! I didn't know that about Triss. I'm finding there's a lot I don't know and am enjoying discovering now (still on my first playthrough). As to women, maybe it's an age thing? I've been married for over 20 years now, and I can tell you that wouldn't have happened if I'd married the fight-make up-fight type of partner ;)

[@xLetalis]

@@unfilthy Yeah that probably has something to do with it :) I've been married for 8 years as well

[@chloewilliams1702]

I’m in the same boat. I had actually never heard of the Witcher series and just picked up TW3 by chance. I love the story, but I haven’t dived in too deep so far. I am also a woman, and I absolutely prefer Triss (just based on TW3 game alone). I think it’s interesting that there seems to be a bias favoring Yennefer among other women. My problem with Yen was her demeanor; I think she’s the more attractive of the two, but every interaction with her left a bad taste in my mouth. She seemed to enjoy making Geralt, and the player by extension, feel like shit. She was belittling, and being around her felt borderline abusive (or at least hinting at those behaviors), which make me really uncomfortable. Not only was Triss presented as more kind and compassionate, she appeared to have Geralt’s best interests at heart. She, of course, had several red flags pop up throughout the game, but I felt that Triss and Geralt as a couple could end up happy. Real talk though, factoring in the descriptions you gave of both women’s behavior in the books and the other two games, I wouldn’t chose either of them. Several of the points you mentioned would be instantaneous deal breakers (the habitual cheating-albeit by both parties, the manipulation, the weird Ciri interactions, the questionable r*pe/sexual practices, etc. For reference, I am in my early 20’s and haven’t had many long term relationships, so I think it’s less about age and more about what values and morals a person has. I think some of the things both women have done/continue to behave is inexcusable. I can see why this has caused such a debate, and I thoroughly enjoy playing TW3; I look forward to trying the other games or reading the books in the near future. 😁

[@unfilthy]

@@chloewilliams1702 I was genuinely surprised when xLetalis said that most women seem to prefer Yen. I would actually like to hear from a woman in our situation (only TW3 exposure) who chose to romance Yen in the game and hear her reasoning. Maybe we could learn something. I definitely agree that in real world terms, there are no good romance partners in this game, and that includes Geralt the horndog. PS: here's a question. Do some women (or players in general) identify more with Yen (or Triss) than with Geralt, and pick based on which character they admire more, rather than who treats them - through Geralt - better?

[@martinbezeg2396]

2:42 i burst out laughing ngl

[@xLetalis]

[@robard418]

Honestly, I'd choose the herbalist in White Orchard.

[@VAustin89]

Would have preferred Shani, she was genuine and had a heart of gold, I really liked her in the first game since I sensed that Triss was scheming something behind your back, but Triss was redeeming herself on the second game so I started to like her more.. also Dandelion on the second game comments on the toxic relationship Geralt and Yen have.

[@filmandfirearms]

There's one major problem with a relationship with Shani. Mainly that the end of the 3rd game is meant to be Geralt settling down pretty much for life with whoever you choose. Geralt is near immortal and Shani is just a normal human. She'd be a skeleton when he's got centuries to live

[@gionaldori5811]

everyone comment on how toxic Yen is towards Geralt Cerys comment on how Geralt is hen pecked by Yen Lambert has plenty of remarks against yen, my favourite is when lambert interject when Yen debate Vesemir "You are not talking to geralt, show some respect" Keira comment no yen treating geralt like a dog

[@csch1510]

@@filmandfirearms wait, isn't Shani an elven woman?

[@csch1510]

@@gionaldori5811 even Philippa Eilheart is talking about toxic/abusive relationship between Geralt and Yenever

[@WolfManLego]

Yes brother,i chose none of them,nor Triss or Yen.I'm a Shani guy too.She is the best

[@sibiris8474]

Shani is the safest choice.

[@xLetalis]

And you can play gwent with her

[@cidiose]

Shani is too much for Geralt.

[@ToreroTorerez]

Essi is the best option

[@sibiris8474]

After watching the video. I stand by my decision, well maybe Fringilla too.

[@eo6435]

@@ToreroTorerez you make me cry

[@Gr0ggers]

I recently finished all of this game (casual playthrough, 160 hours) I chose Yen as it feels like idk canon, but Triss is my secret crush despite going 100% in Yen's route. I love the VA's voice for Triss.

[@MrRock4evr]

Triss: "I'm sorry Yennefer, but which edition of playboy magazine did you appear on the cover of?" xD

[@xLetalis]

[@noel5682]

@@xLetalis HOW DO YOU DO THAT I HAVE TO KNOW

[@xLetalis]

@@noel5682 channel membership unlocks it ;]

[@Korelie]

Based on books and previous games, more people tend to choose Yen than Triss (overall), and people first coming to the witcher world in the 3rd game tend to choose Triss than Yen (overall) based on how the characters are in the 3rd one. The latter play an important role and a relatively more accurate experience to a type of Geralt who lost his memory, than actually knowing what happened already before the amnesia and taking decisions based on this knowledge. People can change, yes, and that includes Geralt. You can love someone for years and then the spark dies, it happens for whatever reason. Staying with them just because of the past and not because of love might not be the best decision. But if you still really love them then it might be the best decision. That being said, should you choose Triss or Yen? It's up to you on how Geralt changes in your own playthrough, who does the Geralt YOU played love? There's no wrong or right, there's just the most immersive RPG experience ever, and you make your own choices.

[@Frendh]

I only played the games, 1 and 2, at the time. I disliked Yennefer a lot. So players like me have a history with Triss but not with Yennefer.

[@urfavanna]

Yo eleji a Yennefer por que ya sabia la historia de the Witcher, seamos sinceros, los que elijieron a triss lo hicieron por su belleza.

[@bandananag3181]

I've played only 3rd and i prefer yen over triss.

[@nou4605]

I came into 3 knowing nothing but I chose Yen

[@sebasstein7014]

Even knowing the books I would pick Triss over Yenn any day. Relationship between Geralt and Yen had its good moments but mostly it was and will always be a pretty toxic relationship and that is not something you want to have for the rest of your life. Triss on the other hand can happily grow old with Geralt (Which will take hundreds of years in their case being witch and witcher)