5 Years Later, Who Really Won? AMD Ryzen 5 3600 vs. Intel Core i5-9600K, 2023 Revisit

[@BangHJL]

AM4 has got to be the best processor socket in recent memory. Not only did it put AMD back on the CPU race (and even winning the race, dare I say), but the upgrade path is also insane. Big W for those that invested in good B350/X370 motherboards 6 years ago.

[@Orcawhale1]

Someone has forgotten about all of the issues in relation to those boards. And how the majority of the boards only support up to Zen 2.

[@Marcinas83]

ASRock AB350 Pro4 and ryzen 5 5600 works fine on the last bios.

[@hrayz]

My x370 board has lasted from using a 1700X, 2700X, 3900X, and the 5950X. Best MB choice I've ever made!

[@cristod1904]

@@Orcawhale1It used to be like that, no 5000 series support on B350/X370 boards but then they changed it eventually after Intel 12th gen iirc. My 5700x works fine in a GB X370 now.

[@TheIdiotPlays]

@@Orcawhale1Crosshair hero 6 was complete ass, after that i have had 0 issues with my x570 board.

[@Smokinjoewhite]

Went from an R7 1700 to a 3700x and then to a 5800x3d a month ago, I couldn't be more happy with my decision to give AMD a go when first gen Ryzen launched. Best upgrade path I have experienced in my 27 years building PC's.

[@screwb1882]

Same upgrade path I took. My 1700 was a OC monster. Did 4.1ghz on all cores.

[@kingjasko]

same, went to r5 1600x, then got the 5900x without needing to change mobo (msi b350 tomahawk) or any other component, only updated the bios and everything worked out of the box, crazy stuff :D i dont plan on upgrading these components for at least another 3-4 years

[@octoman_games]

same here. im rocking an old x370 that had a 1700, then 3700x now the X3D.

[@tobytoxd]

That's so amazing! :D

[@boingkster]

Nice! I went R3 1200, then 1700, then 3600. Still with the 3600, zero regrets.

[@slackra3400]

I upgraded from a 3600 to a 5800X3D and then from a 1060 6gb to a 6800xt. Such a better gaming experience.

[@Coffeeandacigarette]

You'll be able to upgrade to a 7900xtx and it will STILL keep up at 1440p

[@JackDangerous]

I get ya, i went: CPU: 1600 > 3600 > 5800x3D GPU: r9 290 > 1070ti > 6800XT My old 3600 is with the 1070ti in the house i go on vacation, still pretty good.

[@slackra3400]

​@@Coffeeandacigarette6800 xt at 1440p is doing me just fine. I went from 144hz 1080p to 1440p 165hz. It's great.

[@enigma105]

What mobo did you use?

[@hsko8007]

@@JackDangerous Same here, i went from a 2600 > 3600 > 5800X, RX570 > RX5700XT > RX6700XT/RTX 3070 (i originally went with a Gigabyte 3070 but the software and noise levels were insanely bad, traded it for a 6700XT and been happy ever since). Meanwhile I got a friend with a 9600K who hates on everything AMD, didn't upgrade at all (the i9s are $300 used, too much) and if he wants to upgrade he needs to swap everything: RAM, MOBO, CPU.

[@FooFighter477]

AM4 is pure gold. Started with B350+1600x in 2017, upgraded to 5700x last year. 6+ years on one motherboard without any significant drawbacks is quite impressive.

[@AbhishekKumar-vx9ub]

Add atleast 3/4 years of comfortable future use, and thats a decade of shelf life. 10 years is literally eternity in tech terms. AM4 is eternal.

[@Traumatree]

Yea! And yet, people are still crapping over AMD after so many years and still praising Intel is a complete non-sense.

[@HrafnRaff]

I upgraded from a 3600 to a 5800x3D. Was super happy with my original purchase and I am super happy with my upgrade. Now my 3600 is still in use in a friend's rig and it is still a very usable cpu. This kind of value in a platform should be an industry standard.

[@obeliskt1024]

are you me from a diff universe?! I also did the same haha love the 5800x3d, completely removed the stutters and low 0.1% fps on most games I play

[@garrettkajmowicz]

I'm still running a 3600 and don't see the value in upgrading until maybe the next generation of AMD parts.

[@HrafnRaff]

@@garrettkajmowicz I guess we all have our own experiences. I was bottlenecked in some instances so I saw value and benefeit in upgrading to the 5800x3D. But the 3600 is still a very capable chip.

[@MrJonas7]

I hit the cpu bottleneck pretty often with 3600 and rtx 3070 in 1440p, but the pricing of 5800X3D just isn't low enough for me, when I can get a 7600 with a new mb, ram, sell the 3600, b550, ddr4 ram and even be better off... I hope the 5700X3D for some compelling price will tip the scales a little.

[@HerZeL3iDza]

Upgrading to a much faster and newer CPU is better? Wow this is great!

[@the_giefster]

That is exactly what I did. My 3600 lasted 3 years with me before I upgraded to the 5800X3D. And what an upgrade it was! I built a little budget gaming rig with my old 3600 and gifted it to my nephew and he is chuffed with it.

[@eternalbeing3339]

It was a good budget cpu back then.

[@paddyodoors2757]

I love hearing about hand me downs, nearly all my old pcs live on in part in my nieces, nephews, little bro and my own kids machines.

[@pixels_per_inch]

My 3600 lasted 3 years too before it died out of nowhere.

[@MM-vs2et]

@@eternalbeing3339 Still a good ultra budget cpu today. The power it packs in just $70 is crazy

[@MultiRanman]

The 3600 was my first build back in 2020. I still use it as my main system in a tiny 8L case. It has held up remarkably well and is what keeps me on the AMD platform even as I start my next AM5 build.

[@dillon4813]

I had the 9600k since release and just recently upgraded and sold it. My 9600k did very well for me over the past 5 years. I play games in 1440p and it gave me great frames and was a great overclocking cpu.

[@biosfear01]

I'm in the same catagory as a lot of people here x570 motherboard with a 3600. upgraded to a 5800X3D about 2 months ago, i even managed to find the same ram i had at a discount so i now have 32gb and upgraded from 1070ti to 7800 XT. massive improvements and very happy with my powerful rig :D

[@vmafarah9473]

Most performance per dollar build with, lot of real estate for Chrome tabs .

[@jtenorj]

@@vmafarah9473 Agree about performance per dollar, but idk if 32GB is really enough(for me, anyway). I currently have 80+ Chrome windows open, and likely pretty much each window has over 100 tabs(some windows much more than that). I can come close to maxing out my ram with pretty much Chrome alone, not to mention some of the newer 2023 AAA console ports which can use over 20GB of ram all on their own. I also upgraded from 16GB(2x8GB) to 32GB(4x8GB) by adding two basically identical sticks(only difference I'm aware of being the color of the heat spreaders) but I might just grab a couple 32GB sticks of faster DDR4 while they're still fairly reasonably priced. Edit:I know I really need to close down a bunch of windows, the majority of which just sit in the background. I need to either close them outright, or possibly bookmark the tabs in some of them first before closing the window so I can still maybe look at them later but without using so much of my system ram all the time. Pretty sure I have quite a few duplicate tabs open as well.

[@n3kk1d69]

Still rocking the 3600! Recently upgraded from RX 580 8GB to 5700XT 8GB for just 120€. RE4 Remake with all High/max Settings without FSR is getting me around 60fps in 1440p. Tho i am playing with adjusted Settingfs at around 70-90fps. Still strong!

[@Loundsify]

RX 5700 XT is a decent GPU for the price.

[@BulletPr00fGAm3r]

I love this line of videos on how processors and gpus have aged. Keep up the good work

[@Mass1veGam3r]

I've a 10600k on one machine and still holds decently, however its a 6/12 unlike the 9600k 6/6. I think the lack of hyperthreading really hurted the longevity of the 9600k.

[@pixels_per_inch]

Don't forget the 9700k too, a gimped i7 with no HT which is basically planned obsolescence

[@fcjose31]

Tengo un 11400F y un 9600 Kf que tira mejor en la mayoria de juegos porque el 9600KF se pone a 5 GHZ sin tocar voltaje, con refrigeración barata, si el 11400f pudiera hacer OC si ganaria pero como no puede termina ganando el 9600KF.

[@jumpman1213]

I think the boxed coolers for the Ryzen parts made a sizeable difference too. They were so much better than the Intel counterparts that I didn't need to buy tower coolers at all

[@Astrotripper2000]

I only decided to buy a tower cooler for my AM4 system after it was announced that AM4 coolers could be used on AM5 🙂

[@naamadossantossilva4736]

And Intel still hasn't caught up.

[@JAMESCHRIS27]

still using the stock wraith prism from my old 2700x. beefy little thing as far as free coolers go

[@imhighaf2060]

Yeah, 3600 still holds up better as a CPU until this day and upgrade path its AM4 platform could offer is huge benefit of using 3600 since launch. Even though it's already 4 years since launch, 3600 still manages to perform quite well for type of game I've played so far. Good job AMD, you did well with AM4.

[@boingkster]

We did. Consumers won, and thanks in no small part to you guys and your incredible work. Thanks again. I'm still enjoying my 3600 I bought on release!

[@jorybrown6714]

I upgraded from a 3600 to a 5800x3d last year. What an upgrade!

[@Bilut]

Dropping 5800x3d into existing AM4 system will prolong its relevancy for another 3-4 years. Probably beyond the point of buying AM5 platform, which is actually great, cause you can then invest in the new AM6 in it's infancy and get another great upgrade path for couple of following years.

[@VMC_Boy]

5 Years? Feels like the 3600 was 2 or 3 years ago. Still using mine.

[@calvin10]

Still using the 3600 and 5700xt combo from release till today. Carried me through COVID. By far one of my best decision i made in my life

[@CyberneticArgumentCreator]

If you bought a 9600k in the first 6 months after launch, its competitor was the Ryzen 2600X not the 3600. The 5800X3D was a good ultimate upgrade path for AM4 if you compare end-of-socket Intel 9th gen with beginning-of-socket AM4, but likewise there's a huge difference if you compare someone buying a 5600 vs Intel i5 12600KF against those same people using a 5800X3D vs a 14900k as the ultimate upgrades for their respective sockets. Doesn't seem fair to place end-of-socket with beginning-of-socket upgrades toe to toe in either direction and then declare a value prop advantage to one brand.

[@pixels_per_inch]

Yup, they missed out the fact that 9th Gen launch way before Zen 2 and 10th gen was much closer to its launch

[@patbluetree4636]

Picking up a 5600x3d from microcenter today to replace my beloved 3600.

[@HarakiriRock]

What a coincidence. I just bought a used 3600 for $70 USD to replace a 2700 (gonna put the 2700 in a secondary system). Crazy that these CPUs can be had for so cheap and are still very capable. My launch 1600 is still going strong in a NAS. I'll probably get around to the 5000 series in a couple more years lol. AM4 is amazing.

[@zalankhan5743]

IMO Sell both of these Cpus and Get a 5700x, Which will be Worth it.

[@daniil3815]

@@zalankhan5743exactly, what the point of upgrading 2700 to 3600, when you can go straight to 5700 for not much more

[@zalankhan5743]

@@daniil3815 i dont get your Comment, I am advising Him to sell both of his Processor and get a 5700x.

[@amr.c1650]

@@daniil3815 Isn't the 5700X $170 or more?

[@Jinny-Wa]

He is agreeing with you. What else there is to get?@@zalankhan5743

[@CapaNoisyCapa]

The 5800x3d would be at the top even if we'd considered only the 1% lows. And, more often than not it ramais a top performer in games even in 2023. That's absolutely unprecedented. Remember, it's a socket/platform launched back in 2017.

[@stangamer1151]

It is pretty fast, but not fast enough for it's price, which I'd call severely inflated. 7800X3D is just a bit more expensive, while being much faster.

[@MicaelAzevedo]

​@@stangamer1151in my country 5800x3d is more expensive than 7800x3d. I am in EU

[@detroid8929]

@@MicaelAzevedo yes this is very weird. here in the uk, the 7800x3d is not much more expensive than the 5800x3d.

[@Exoleres]

@@stangamer1151 I think it's to be expected because the people looking to buy a 5800x3d likely already have a built system. There's no existing base for the 7800x3d, so out-of-pocket pricing inevitably includes RAM and a motherboard. That is, even with the chip priced exactly the same, the AM4 chip could still be half the (actual money spent) price for the AM5 chip for most people.

[@stangamer1151]

@@Exoleres Well, if you take into account the resale value of an old AM4 kit, then the price of AM5 kit with 7800X3D does not seem that big. While 7500f or 7600, which perform roughly the same as 5800X3D in gaming, cost the same too (as a whole kit), but offer great upgradeability. I would definitely pick 7500/7600 instead of 5800X3D. The latter would attract me only if it costed significantly less (like $200-$250).

[@AliYassinToma]

Im still on an i7 8700 and a 1070 ti.. ill give it 2 more years and buy fully new setup

[@jabezhane]

Built a lot of 3600 machines with DDR4 3600 for folks during Covid. None have come back for upgrades yet.

[@pixels_per_inch]

A lot of them did, mostly RAM related issues. Some of them died too. All running at stock so not sure what killed them.

[@EvilEng9]

I love these old vs new battles. Back then, I should've went with the 3600 over the i7-8700. The x3D upgrade is just too good. Now I'm on AM5.

[@Theworthsearcher]

So you are from those few people, who have learned...

[@TrapShot94]

Same here. I had the 9600K (was coming from a i3 8100 as first ever cpu). Now switched to a R5 7600 and it's a beast already. Later on I will be able to upgrade to a AM5 X3D CPU if needed.

[@andrewquinn5946]

When I upgraded to a 5900X i gave my 7 year old son my R5 3600 system its still a solid CPU today

[@inducedapathy1296]

Yea. It was also nice you had several upgrade paths with AMD. Intel changes sockets like socks always has in the last decade. Quite a bit of used everything for am4 3200 ram and more. Handing down stuff makes AMD a solid choice if you have family and friends. Hopefully that continues with am5.

[@pixels_per_inch]

@@inducedapathy1296 Yeah AMD is our savior, we can finally use CPUs without a motherboard

[@IsaandAli]

I like these old school battles.

[@CrashPilot1000]

Yep, AM4 was and still is a killer Platform. Back in the day (when the AMD 5600x was out for around 300+) I was looking to upgrade my 6700k Rig. I got a very good deal on used parts, so I bought z370 Mobo+9900k+16GB 3200 DDR4 for 350 bucks and I could reuse my cooler and my 16GB ram (exactly the same) I already had. So yeah there you have it, also not a bad upgrade path and still happily using it.

[@Starchface]

I think the difference between 2023 and 2017 is 6. Also, the lack of SMT is the achilles heel for the i5-9600K. Today there is more emphasis on threaded OSes and applications, and so the 3600 with its 12 threads has been able to keep its head above water while the 9600K bogs down in certain situations. In the time-warp you predicted this in 2019. Here I am _still running_ my i7-6700K which, while it's 3 years older and has only 4 cores, beats the 9600K in base clock and thread count. The 9600K is overall faster but the improvement in those 3 years is undewhelming. Intel lost the plot quite a few years ago, but is still great at press releases. AMD ftw.

[@awebuser5914]

Just get a cheap i7 8700, job done.

[@horstsparta4122]

It's really great, I just bought myself a "new" PC from second-hand parts, including a B350 board, a 1st generation Ryzen for the BIOS update, and a 3600 for almost nothing. Powering a 1440p screen these components will last for years and I still have the option to upgrade to a 5800X3D in 5 years or so.

[@georginenov6779]

3600 is the best CPU I've ever had. The price to performance is just awesome and the possibility to upgrade to 5800X3D is just amazing. I intend to upgrade to it in the near months.

[@HM-rz8nv]

then the 5800X3D will become the best CPU you ever had :)

[@charleshughes7007]

As someone who bought an ASUS CT-479 adapter to put an overclocked Pentium M into my Pentium 4 motherboard and then, 10 years later, bought a used Xeon X5660 from eBay to replace my i7-920, I have always been amazed that Intel does not put more emphasis on valid upgrade options and longer-lived platforms. I get that the board partners want to sell more boards, but as far as Intel themselves are concerned it's a far easier proposition for them to sell you a new CPU alone than try to get you to build a whole new system just for a new CPU. When I finally replaced my X5660, I had the good fortune to replace it with an AM4 system. Starting with a 3700X and now a 5800X3D, it will likely end up with the new longest reign.

[@DragoonKain3]

Really glad I invested in an x570 motherboard, as not only I am able to upgrade my 3700x to a 5800x3d for massive gains 5 years later, but also I still have the luxury of upgrading my 6800 xt (then vega 56) down the line because of PCIE gen 4.0. I think I'm good until AM6, of which again I will splurge a bit more on a quality mobo but will probably go with whatever X600 version when it releases, with intent to upgrading to the last x3D version of that socket.

[@guccipucci69420]

VRMs are so good now that there’s no point getting an expensive board; cheaper b650e boards still have PCIE5 and gen 5M.2

[@awebuser5914]

Other than using GPUs with PCIe x8, Gen 4 is basically irrelevant and will be for a very long time (if it is ever relevant in the typical PC use-case).

[@nikitazaycev8636]

Forgot to mention the important detail: all (except athlons and G apus) am4 cpus offer 16+4 pcie lanes from cpu itself, and starting with 3000 series they went 4.0. And there was even a brief period when amd allowed pcie 4.0 to be used on b350/b450 motherboards... Which means you can actually use a pcie 4.0 ssd at full speed, which is perfect for modern direct storage games. (Pcie 4.0 gpu related performance uplift is ofc pretty moot but hey its still there) With 1151 however, and even 10th gen 1200... Oh boy, those platforms suck. Even if you got 11th gen (when intel started using 16+4 instead of just 16), you still need z490 motherboard to be able to use pcie 4.0

[@MattJDylan]

The length of the charts is like: 9600k: your measures 9900k: what you think your measures are 5800x3d: the measures of the guy she tells you not to worry about

[@Loundsify]

I mean 5800X3D doesn't even clock that fast. So if anything X3D is just knows how to use what it's got.

[@jolness1]

My bet is AM5 doesn’t have the socket longevity of AM4. From a corporate standpoint it was good PR but now that they are more mainstream, they don’t need to and… probably won’t. I hope I’m wrong though

[@tristianyamaty]

Still on a 3600, but looking to get a 5800X3D if they get within some arbitrary "reasonable" price for me.

[@tylaburnett9756]

Exact same position I'm in

[@Greenalex89]

I cant imagine them getting cheaper. If the production has stopped they will only get more expensive, yet very popular for system upgrades. Bought mine for 300€ 6 months ago and the price kept rising since then. Id say, buy very soon or go for Am5 alltogether..

[@tylaburnett9756]

@@Greenalex89 yeah I'm waiting to see if it gets any black Friday or cyber Monday deals and if not I'm just going to go for it

[@bvlog4857]

I used an app called Klarna, bought a RTX 3060 cooler ram and a 5800X3D for 35$ a month till I pay em off.

[@garyb7193]

In the US, Amazon is a good retailer to watch. In July the 5800x3d dropped to $289. Also received $40 AMEX cc promo bringing it down to $249 free shipping. However, the 7800x3d, DDR5 and boards have come down a lot since summer. It may make more sense to go that route.

[@SoJa92]

Upgraded from a 3900x to a 5800x3d and couldn't be happier. Waiting to upgrade to AM5 to see if AMD will support that platform at the same level as AM4.

[@XaviarCraig]

The upgrade path for the AM4 from the mid point of it's life is insanely good. Quite impressive results!

[@yaJannik]

Came here from the laret LTT video on the new intel chips. I'm happy that I went with the 3600 and my next upgrade will be my gpu. Great video!

[@itsapikus]

What about overclocking, the 9600k is capable of going up to 4.8ghz very comfortably from personal experience. Safe to assume most people who are getting a k/kf variant would also be overclocking it, no? It does require a motherboard capable of it of course.

[@Katharina_VT]

If you have luck like me, 5,1 GHz is stable with a Ring Clock of 4,7 GHz. There is a lot of headrum, but how much performance you gain in new games is a good question.

[@yomurita]

AM4 was great. I went from a 2600 to a 5700X on the same board.

[@Star_Wars_Galaxy]

I'm still on my 3600x and tbh I don't see myself upgrading just yet. In most of the games you showed here the 3600 was comfortably around 90+ fps and that's really all I need. Not to mention a lot of these are at ultra settings and some have ray tracing, so that could be even higher for me as well. Or lower, since my 3060 is just a little bit slower than the 4090

[@CloudJack]

Do you guys do videos about making high end gpus run cooler. Such as disassembling them to add thermal pads? I would love a video on that.

[@brandonkarm9092]

These are such beneficial reviews and videos! Appreciate the time and effort invested here Steve! Keep up the great work!

[@LordDeimosIV]

I upgraded from a Ryzen 7 2700 I bought in 2018 to the 5800X3D in 2022 and I am super happy with it. Probably the best PC upgrade I've even had. I also went from a 1080 Ti purchased in 2017 to a 7900XT this year. The AM4 platform has been amazing. 5 years on the same motherboard with no issues.

[@bryantallen703]

My once returned (open box) off the shelf i7 8700K that i have happened to be a 1 of a kind Platinum 5.3GHz (5GHz ring) monster delided was only $280 back then in 2017-2018. And still runs great with the $150 open box z370 Aorus Gaming 7 (Still great looking and running board by the way) and 6900XT TOXIC "AIR" on the OLED. $450 for that combo was unheard of at the time.

[@Loundsify]

Tbf Radeon cards have less CPU overhead anyways. I swear Nvidia's drivers are just super CPU heavy. I remember having a Ryzen 1600 with an RX 470 and that pc felt super stable and quick.

[@hirev1337]

Just makes me wonder where the i7 9700k would fit in the mix into all of this.

[@leonidasM]

Really want to see that aswell

[@s13sil80]

The 5800X3D, much like the 1080 Ti, is something that we aren't likely to see ever again. AM4 was great, even without it. But with it, it was such a god-send. The 3600 and 9600k were good in their own right, but the 5800X3D is just broken as an upgrade option.

[@vezeralmos2]

I paired my 5800X3D with an Asus 1080ti :)

[@garyb7193]

We may already be seeing it again. Today's AM5 boards are 2018's B450 boards. Lisa Su promised publicly, similar AM4 5-yr upgrade support. Zen 5 arriving ~18mos in. Zen 6 in 2025 or perhaps 2026. That's Zen 4 thru Zen 6 minimum; possibly Zen 7 with great timing or public pressure. Sure, mbs and chipsets will improve along the way, along with memory speeds, but this was so with 2018 B450 in comparison to the latest's X570 boards.

[@zodwraith5745]

The massive gap between Zen1 and X3D is as much a testament to early Zen's _weakness_ as it is X3D being great. For that reason it would be almost impossible to see another performance gap like that. Saving a measly 100 bucks on a motherboard is a huge price to pay to endure years of shit gaming performance to finally be rewarded at the end with a $450 8 core. Zen3 is the better deal in a lot of real world situations for those still on Zen1-Zen2. Fans love to cherry pick the extremes of 1600x>5800X3D, but in reality most people _didn't_ buy AM4 until 3000/5000 because while Zen1and Zen+ were miles ahead of FX they were still quite far behind Intel and you took a hefty gaming penalty to save not much money. X3D was a reward for the AMD fans that bought AM4 when it was weak, but also at an insane price that magically gets ignored now. I didn't get AM4 until Zen3 and when the X3D launched later at $450 it wasn't even an option at that price. The whole _reason_ it dropped by over $100 was because the 12700k and 7700x were matching it for far less making it look stupid at $450. X3D is a cool technology but it's price has always made it a no buy for me, especially when it falls on it's face in non-gaming and needs a flagship GPU to shine. $450 is a huge ask for a CPU with a caveats that big and even when the price dropped the 12700k dropped even _further._ In a lot of ways the 5800X3D was too expensive, too late, and only ever made sense for Zen1-Zen2 AM4 owners willing to spend the money they didn't want to spend before. Especially when it doesn't shine much over my Zen3 without a ridiculously expensive flagship GPU. Non-X3D Zen3 is where the real deals are for AM4 owners without a 4 figure GPU. And if you can afford a 4 figure GPU chances are you're not penny pinching to not have to buy a motherboard in the first place so you'd just go Zen4/13th gen at that point.

[@garyb7193]

Who's talking about Zen1/1600x? The video shows 3600x. Most people here talked about Zen2 as well. If you gonna write a book complaining about AMD fanboys, get it straight. 3600x to 5800x3d perf. jump is plausible (and hopeful) on AM5 from Zen4 7600 to Zen6?6800x3d. No one speaking absolutes in perf gap upg this time around.@@zodwraith5745

[@Jinny-Wa]

The upgrade path to 5000 is the only saving grace of the platform. Ryzen 1 and 2 were waste of silicon and not competitive at all. 3000 was finally getting somewhere and then the 5800X3D came and swept the board until Alder Lake. Imo at that point you could have chosen anything, if you went with 1000 and 2000 you were a fool who got lucky they changed their mind after the outrage.@@zodwraith5745

[@renzl2337]

AM4 wins hands down. 5800X3D is a slam dunk for gaming and gives new life to older flagships like the 1080Ti.

[@wasitacatisaw83]

I'd like to see a revisit of the i7-7700K just so I can be told again what an idiot I was to build an LGA1151 Z190 Kaby Lake system just as it was becoming obsolete.

[@marshal7969]

Woah I didn't know there was a z190

[@Orcawhale1]

You weren't. Ryzen didn't come into it's own untill Zen 2, which released in 2019, which is 2 years after you built the 7700k system(If we presume, you built in 2017).

[@kaapuuu]

That was me. I had 7600k... I felt fooled by Intel. Since then i went 5600x then 5800X3D. Not going intel ever again.

[@wasitacatisaw83]

@@marshal7969 I meant Z170

[@Benri05]

Eh that's not worse than what my friend did back in 2019, he upgraded his i3-7100 to a i7-7700(non-K) for $450 lmao

[@Louis_Bautista]

The 3600X was my first AMD CPU after years of only buying Intel and I was definitely happy with my purchase. I'll probably be building a new PC later this year or next year, so I'm curious to see who will have the best value CPU by that time.

[@glamdring0007]

I started AM4 with a 2700x, moved to a 5600x, and currently run a 5800x3d. AM4 has now lasted me through 3 GPU upgrades as well and is without question the best buy in PC hardware I've ever made.

[@MaxIronsThird]

We know Zen2 doesn't scale well in games above the 3300X, bc of the CCD being divided into 2 CCX, unless the engine can fill 16 threads competently like Watch Dogs3, so it would make more sense to have the 9700K(8c/8t) in the comparison instead of the 3700X. All semi-modern games are able to use more than 6 threads, bc of the X1/PS4 generation having a mobile cpu with 8 cores, with 7 cores available for games. Adding the 5700X could also be a good point of comparison if you don't want to spend $300, while still able to see a considerable increase in performance due to the single CCX per CCD from Zen3, increase in clock frequency and 2 extra cores.

[@shadowred1980]

I'd like to see the data for changing the 4090 for a 6800, as you suggested early on. Perhaps just in a few games rather that the full set, Steve has enough on already. :P Does it still give a 70% uplift from 3600 > 5800x3d.

[@SweatyFeetGirl]

in cpu bound scenarios yes

[@KronoReaper]

I went from a r5 3600 to a r5 5600g, got upset that I couldn’t tell the difference, hence I got a 3900xt and it was barely better. And so, I went all in and got an 5800x3d, man what a beast this cpu is !

[@tobytoxd]

Great video! I always recommended the AM4 platform for my friends at that time, because of that. Imagine upgrading from a Ryzen 1400 to a 5800X3D!! 😅

[@Loundsify]

That would be a huge jump 😂.

[@mochagreen]

No doubt AM4 is an amazing platform, but at current EU prices the 7800X3D is only 20 euros more expensive, 5800X3D does not appear to be good value compared to that price, which makes upgrading from an older AM4 board to the 5800X3D still a tough choice today. Personally now I would go directly to the 7800X3D if seeking an upgrade.

[@czbrat]

13:00 Ah the 2019 era when video cameras could only record in black and white lol

[@BrianCroweAcolyte]

I've used a 9600K to run a minecraft server before, and the strength of the Intel CPU is the massive overclocks and fast memory speeds it supports. If you know what you're doing, it's not unreasonable to get a 9600K running at 4.7-5.0GHz locked all core with 3,800MHz RAM, and when you do that it just shreds. Zen CPUs on the other hand you almost cant do anything to them, they're basically close to maxed out right from the get go. If you're just going to run your system at stock settings with extremely slow 3200MHz system memory, maybe you shouldn't be buying a K-sku CPU.

[@Istvan_F]

don't forget, that i5 9600k was more expensive at that time (direct competition to 3600 from the same price class was 9400f...). And motherboards for AM4 platform were much more affordable, as opposed to Z-chipset Mobos for unlocked-"k" processors. Clearly, a 3600& decentish b450 was a very reasonable and rational choice back then. No wonder almost everyone recommended them in 2019-2020...

[@Jinny-Wa]

9600k competed with R5 2600

[@Istvan_F]

why? Not even the same generation, and the 9600k was a much later release... @@Jinny-Wa

[@andersjjensen]

You absolutely called it on the 9600k. Not that it was ever a big mystery. That the lack of HT was going to be a problem was as obvious as the problems with graphics cards that only just have enough VRAM to run current games.

[@DesuVR]

Even going from a 5800X to a 5800X3D, I've been able to max out the refresh rate of my Quest 2 VR headset more often than not in most games paired with a 6900XT. My next eventual upgrade will most likely be the GPU as it seems the CPU still has plenty more headroom for something beefier like a 4090 or beyond.

[@Frozoken]

More proof of the absolute leap in cpu gaming performance x3d and alderlake made where evdn when ur doing what sounds like a sidegrade on paper, its still giving u a significant performance uplift with only a 6900 xt. Not that its remotely slow but its not a 4090 and yet the improvements are there. Cpus are too underated on their affect on gaming performance.

[@geeker9545]

I have the same chips now, 5800X and 6900 XT and I am wondering if this exact upgrade on 5800X3D would be beneficial for me, since both paired are just working greatly and GPU is maxed out. I am playing games like Overwatch 2, Final Fantasy XIV, Naraka Bladepoint, Diablo IV and in the future I would like to get into WOW since I never played it before. Would you give me some feedback?

[@Frozoken]

@@geeker9545 You'd get a decent improvement in frame rate consistency but unless ur on high refresh rate you probably wouldn't notice. That upgrade should probably be only made for people primarily playing competitive multiplayers games on 240hz+ monitors, ie pretty niche. It'd also use like 30w less power when gaming. So yeah unless ur planning on upgrading ur gpu soonish, care about energy usage a lot or play very high refresh rate it's probably not worth it. You have the 2nd fastest am4 cpu for gaming as is.

[@geeker9545]

@@Frozoken I forgot to mention that I am on 32" 1440p 180 Hz panel, I am playing with undervolted 6900 XT (-100 W) without any major losses in FPS gains (230W instead of 330W) also with some undervolting with curve optimizer (-25 on all cores for months without any stability issues). I am not planning to upgrade to the new GPU soon since I can't get reasoning to do so in USD/FPS gains ratio. I've got this 6900 XT from second hand and I am using it for almost an year (in January 2024) just asking since I see 5800X3D as a beast in HU's and GN's graphs and I am not like rushing to buy it immediately, I am trying to get some additional information from real usage (I do not care much about working with my PC, I am more focused on gaming side).

[@HenrySomeone]

Would probably be prudent to include the 10600K(f) as well, since that's the one R5 3600 went against for the later half of its cycle.

[@bzdtemp]

I did the 3600 to 5800X3D upgrade and I am loving it. Not only did it just swap in, the modest extra power draw meant I did not have to even consider upgrading the PSU. And it is not only about money when upgrading, doing a CPU swap than a essentially total computer rebuild is a much smaller job and you can do so without really doing anything with Windows and programs. Meaning not only is it cheaper, you also save lots of time you can spend better on other stuff.

[@Frozoken]

I mean tbf who realistically has needed to upgrade their psu due to a cou upgrade providing it wasnt alr bad enough that it should be replaced regardless so its not a liability to ur cimponents lnao. Even something like the 13900k is almost always only using high power when the gpu is not so they basically just switch places. Ive overclocked my 13600k to the point where in cinebench itd use like 230w but even in the most cpu demanding games itll only use like 80w. Same deal there. Like yeah my 13600k all coring at the same freqyency as the 13900ks and its still only using about 30w than thevmost efficient gaming chip period while also using like 20w less on idle. cpu gaming power doesnt really matter unless ur using a motherboard overvolted 13-14900k. Also not to rag on AMD but if ur going all AMD ur definitely losing all that efficiency youve gained and more to the gpu i had to say it 😂

[@andersjjensen]

@@Frozoken My XTX is 80% the performance of the 4090 at 78% the power consumption. If we compare it to the 4080 instead it's 2% more performance for 11% more power, or 35W more. So since my 7950X3D never goes above 120W in all core workloads and never goes above 65W in gaming while the 13/14900k has no problem sucking down 140W in gaming I'm still on the up-and-up on the efficiency front. But, yes, it does go right pear shaped for AMD pretty fast when we get to the more mainstream GPUs: 4090 (450W) vs 7900XTX (355W): That's 80% the performance for 78% the power (practical tie: +2%). 4080 (320W) vs 7900XTX (355W): That's 2% more performance for 11% more power (slight loss: -9%). 4070ti (285W) vs 7900XT (300W): That's 11% more performance for 5% more power (very slight win: +6%). 4070 (200W) vs 7800XT (265W): That's 7% more performance for 32% more power (actual loss: -25%). 4070 (200W) vs 7700XT (245W): That's 11% less performance for 22% more power (ouch loss: -33%). 4060ti (160W) vs 7700XT (245W): That's 14% more performance for 53% more power (OUCH loss: -39%). 4060 (115W) vs 7600 (165W): That's performance parity for 43% more power (BIG OUCH loss: -43%). (All numbers are off Techpowerup's GPU database.) I'm actually one of the people who would need to upgrade my PSU if I had gone Intel instead of AM5, as I start long compile jobs with low priority and fire up a game while I wait. My colleague has a 13900k with a 420mm AIO and it routinely hits 320W when he does the same. 200W difference is enough that I would get uncomfortable with my 750W, as I always count up max TDP of all the components and add 20%, which I'm pretty much at with two fast Gen 4 NVMes, 3 160mm fans and 3 140mm fans.... But I'm perfectly aware that I'm a rare case. TL;DR: Beware of making blanket statements, as there's always that special case :P

[@Frozoken]

@andersjjensen lmfao u cant compare tdp to tgp or for theatre fact even when vidia was on tdp u cant cimpare it last gen their 30 series tdp pulled more power than amds rdna 2 tdp now its the exact opposite. Look at tech powerups power consumption figures, besides the 40 series using massively less on idle low load video playback etc u also get the gaming consumption and actually relative performance figure too. Like genuinely it's very good data if you're interested. Here's the run down corrected for actual power consumption and their 4k RASTER (idc about rt) gaming perf figures: 4090 vs xtx: +22% perf, + 15% power (411/356) xtx vs 4080: +4% perf, +17% power (356/304) xt vs 4070ti: +10% perf (IN 4K BTW), +18% power 7800xt vs 4070: +6% perf, +25% power I can keep going but techpowerup, if anything, has a slight bias to amd if any at all (which I don't believe they do) and yet here's their numbers. It's nowhere near the almost tie ur making it out to be and none of this is including the terrible idle power consumption as I've said OR as optimum tech showed the abysmal power savings the xtx gets compared to being at 100% use (almost none) when it's at highish load but a good bit off being maxed out like in lots of the more competitive multiplayer titles

[@andersjjensen]

@@Frozoken I'm sorry but that rambly mess without punctuation just got me put off by the time you told me I was wrong for using Techpowerup numbers... only to on to use Techpowerup numbers.

[@Frozoken]

@@andersjjensen No ur using techpowerups spec database, I'm using their actual reviews. The thing ur talking about is literally just a database of the manufacturer's own specification. Also fair enough for using the performance graph they put there but it's wrong data and will sometimes have higher tier gpus with lower performance than the lower ones TLDR: Ur comparing different company's own tdp specs as if they're 1:1 when they're not. I listed independent figures as proof

[@CoolTI-Daniel]

I went from a 3600X to now a 5800X... I am happy with the upgrade, the 5800X only cost me 250CAD which is pretty cheap for a respectable 8 core 16 thread cpu but I still regret not putting in an extra 120$ more or less to get the 5800X3D which would make the pc last longer... but also I know it wouldn't make that big of a difference as I usually don't go for the highest end GPU's. (I still think my 5800X will be good enough for a Radeon 6800 or 7800xt in the future (now running a 5700XT))

[@gravesddd]

My 8600K @ 5GHz has absolutely carried my PC for the last 5 years. It let my 3080 run highly utilized as well. Love that thing so much.

[@Mavis847]

Is this with all updated BIOS? My ryzen 3600x slowed down quite a bit with all the recent vulnerabilities Also the 3600 was never under 100 dollars at the time

[@5chum1]

I'm still on my at-launch 3600 paired with a recently purchased second-hand nvidia 1080. Due to the gfx care situation I've not really needed to update the cpu, even for streaming but it's great to see the potential uplift going to the 5800x3D. Great video as always Steve

[@lexzbuddy]

AM4 saved AMD. That makes it a success. Ultimately it isn't a competition.

[@deyx18]

I'd like to see how an overclocked 9600k would fare against the 3600. Since these chips benefit so much (compared to Ryzen). I bought myself a r5 2600 in 2018, im upgrading to a 5800x3d this black friday (hope to see a good discount haha). Love how far AM4 has come, i chose correctly :)

[@charliespirits2097]

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[@Jinny-Wa]

Yep, my friend got launch 9600k for cheap and we immediately clocked it to close 5Ghz with basic cooler. Still runnning today fine@@charliespirits2097

[@thomaswest2583]

It would help but it would still lose. Overclocking wouldn't help enough to close a gap that big.

[@thomaswest2583]

@charliespirits2097 The video is how they compare now that thier lines are finished. And bow that the 3600 has a better upgrade path. It is the pretty clear winner.

[@thomaswest2583]

@charliespirits2097 Also it only slightly beats the 3600 in pure fps by a tiny bit. It still gets slaughtered in anything that uses a lot of threads.

[@AshtonCoolman]

The 9900k is going for ~$ 280 on ebay. I'm lucky enough to live near a Microcenter. They have a 5600X3D+motherboard+RAM combo for $299.99. I'm amazed that combo hasn't instantly sold out.

[@thelegendaryklobb2879]

That's one hell of a bargain!

[@AshtonCoolman]

I have 8700K, 9900K, 5600X, 7700X, and 7800X3D systems and can confirm that AM4 is the platform to have if you're on a budget. AM5 has some huge discounts since launch too.

[@Vantrakter]

The 3600 served me well. I didn't upgrade to the 5800x3d because it's almost never on sale and its price compared to the 5600 was just too much, instead I opted for a better GPU for my 4K display (I play srpgs and turn based strategy games and they look good in 4K) and as far as I can tell this was a solid move. At least the games I wanna play play at the fps I need (60). Next desktop gen from Intel as well as AMD will be very interesting. If I had the need of an upgrade on the CPU front I would much rather invest in AM5 currently and the 7800x3d which isn't priced that differently from the gremlin 5800x3d, at least not in this part of Europe

[@stangamer1151]

True. 5800X3D is way too expensive, even now in the end of 2023. The only hope is for rumored 5700X3D and 5500X3D. Otherwise I'd rather upgrade to AM5.

[@smeezekitty]

@@stangamer1151 The standard 5800X is $100 cheaper and not much slower

[@austinsloop9774]

Seems like you made the most sensible choice. If you prioritize visuals at 4k, you'll almost never need to work about getting more than 120fps and you'll almost always be gpu bound.

[@olnnn]

@@smeezekitty If you look at benchmarks The difference can be quite substantial in games actually. On the other hand the higher core count non x3d zen 3 cpus tend to be better upgrade options for productivity. Do feel that people tend to gloss over other zen 3 alternatives a bit though, as they may also be an option as you say if one don't want to splurge on the 5800x3d or want more cores for productivity work but don't want to go full on platform ugrade.

[@coryv5679]

Looking at the 9900k made me happy I upgraded from an I7 9700k to a Ryzen 7 7800X3D and it is crazy how much better the Ryzen 7 runs games.

[@spacechannelfiver]

Been in this game a while, since the 286 and seen the pendulum swing back and forward a couple of times. Intel were dominant until they made Pentium 3. Then they made P4 and were doubling down on Itanic which let AMD eat their lunch with Athlon (and the reason all x86_64 architectures are also called AMD64). Intel staged a big comeback by reverting to P3 and forking that into the Core architecture and innovated again with Nehelem which was the foundation of the i7 etc branding. It was a bit energy hungry for the time at 135W but smashed anything AMD had; and then they evolved that up to like Broadwell/Haswell and just stopped innovating for years. That gave AMD enough time to continue with the higher core counts but get the IPC up to something barely competitive and they released Zen and then more importantly Zen+ which drove mass adoption in DIY. Intel had huge problems, and still do as they maintain their own chip fabs and cant keep up with TSMC. AMD also used to have their own fabs, but were so close to bankruptcy that they spun them out into Global Foundaries. Have seen signs of innovation from Intel in the past few years, although this current set of chips they released is awful and they'd have been wiser to not release them at all. Datacentre is a huge market and they've badly undelivered there for long enough that the investment cycle is heavily swinging to AMD and ARM, Apple will at some point come out swinging in that market (again) Intel need to sort themselves out as all they are holding onto really is OEM deals which are majority laptops, and ARM and AMD are gunning for those hard. We as consumers always benefit from competition.

[@spacechannelfiver]

for clarity Pentium 3 was really good. It was Pentium 4 where Intel lost the plot. Lets hope Intel come back as i'm sure AMD are perfectly happy to sit there for years giving incremental improvements for slightly more money

[@Fregatte86]

i got 3600 for now since launch. after a few gpu upgrades he is still solid for hi resolutoins like 3440

[@pantzman]

The problem is that the used price of the 9900K, much like the 7700K (and 6700K) will most likely be very inflated. Its probably better to aim for an entry level AM5 or LGA 1700.

[@wertywerrtyson5529]

Indeed. That is what I did. I left Intel for the first time since the days of Athlon 64 and went with AM5 and a Ryzen 7600. Hoping I’ll have upgrade paths in the future. I looked at a 9900K but they are still too expensive as people people with Intel are limited in what they can upgrade to which keeps the price high unless you want to build an entirely new system.

[@shauncurtis4398]

Definitely answered my question. Some gains at 1440p to go from 9600k to 9900k, but with my 2080s I doubt they will be anywhere near the 4090 numbers. AM5 upgrade it is

[@dontsupportrats4089]

I wish this was VS i-5 10600k because it was a 6c 12 thread processor instead of a 6 core single thread processor. Both platforms were available during the 3600 main sell period before 5000 series.

[@DM16_]

AM4 was almost a flop. Dont forget the consumers who fought AMD to keep their promise to support all generations. 16MB Bios and X370!

[@AverageDoomer69]

AMD customers are usually smarter than their Intel/nvidia counterparts, they push for extended support and open standards with reasonable price to performance on top.

[@lharsay]

It's suprising to me actually how well the 9600K held up with just 6 threads, I think most people expected worse back then and older 4 core 4 thread i5s like the 7600K was pretty much worse in 2019 as 2 years old CPU than the i5 9600K now as an almost 5 years old part.

[@EditioCastigata]

12:57 You've been so young! Basically a baby! What a blast from the past.

[@christopherp.1391]

Currently on a 7800x3d and looking forward to the 8800x3d to upgrade to.

[@TheFyend]

The Ryzen 3600 was $80 for quite a while on Amazon with no cooler included in the USA.

[@kravenfoxbodies2479]

Steve, you did not say if you had Rebar on or off, it does work on the 3700x even with the x470 chipset and a RTX 3070 as well as Sam support.

[@PsychoStreak]

It's funny. I built an R5 3600 based machine in early/mid 2020, right before everything became super scarce/expensive. It was an upgrade for my mom's PC, who had been on an i3-2120T. Paired it with a B450 motherboard and it has served complaint free since. It's quite It went so well I rebuilt my HTPC with one a week later and have yet to see any need to upgrade. It is amazing that I can boost the performance of both systems by that much just by dropping in new CPU, years after I'd otherwise have to replace the whole platform. The 3600 and AM4 don't just win, they overachieved and I've not once felt like I made a bad investment.

[@alecsnodgrass8719]

This is the exact video I've been waiting for. My 9600k has been struggling lately and it's so hard to find reliable benchmarks with such an "old" chip.

[@crax3100]

Overclock it

[@dirkjewitt5037]

I had a 9700k for a few years and started with the 9600k paired with a 2070 super. I now have a 5800x3d with a 6950xt. AMD really opened my mind up with the 5000 series.

[@andersjjensen]

Yeah... Zen 3 probably made jaws drop twice at Intel. The base architecture was already phenomenal, but V-Cache struck like a lighting from a blue sky.

[@rodrirm]

A week after the launch of the 3000 series, I went from a Core i5 3570 to a Ryzen 5 3600, and I have never regret. What a huge jump in performance. Now I'm rocking a R5 5600G (the Ryzen 5 3600 is runing on a dif. PC) and Im thinking If I should jump to AM5 or just get the R7 5800X3D. Both options are really, really expensive, so I will keep tinking for a bit longer.

[@REgamesplayer]

Your pricing point is confused. 5800x3D was an expensive processor when it came out. Not really in the same price range. Intel owners had a superior platform back then and they could had jumped to generally cheaper Intel motherboards for 12'th gen. You want to push the idea that Ryzen platform was better in terms of long term value. That is obvious. However, your point of showing value is convoluted. Comparing new or discounted products. Comparing processors which are not even in the same pricing tier.

[@Loundsify]

5700X3D steps into the ring.

[@REgamesplayer]

@@Loundsify Those processors came a lot later.

[@Loundsify]

@@REgamesplayer I mean I sold my Ryzen 1600 for £80, paid £140 for my Ryzen 3600, sold my 3600 for £55 and bought a Ryzen 5700X3D for £161. Same motherboard since 2017. I definitely got my money's worth.

[@REgamesplayer]

@@Loundsify Your upgrade cycle is too fast. It would make more sense to go from 1600 to 5800x3D.

[@Loundsify]

​@@REgamesplayerI needed to upgrade otherwise my graphics card would have been extremely bottlenecked by the 1600. And I wanted to get into VR gaming.

[@TheZoenGaming]

I'm really happy that I upgraded from the 5800X to the 5800X3D when it dropped below $400 USD. It's been a great CPU for 4K gaming in nearly every title I throw at it. The Zen 3 series chips were an absolute win for AMD, IMO.

[@eddtru]

I would have saved that money to put on a gpu, especially at 4k where you're gpu bound. Unless you already had a current gen high end gpu.

[@TheZoenGaming]

@@eddtru Yeah, I already had pre-ordered a 3080 at the MSRP, and now I have a 3090 that I picked up for less than $700 USD from a guy I know who upgrades to every new flagship GPU.

[@jolness1]

I went with a 1700 and a 1080Ti. Needed more cpu cores for compiling code on the same machine so intel wasn’t a reasonable choice. Now I have a separate machine for programming. Upgraded to a 58x3d and a 4090 for $1900USD which was a hell of an upgrade. Even with my poor little 1700 running at 4ghz with a lot of voltage… it couldn’t keep up with the 1080ti

[@5abivt]

Picked up a 9600k for $30 cdn a few weeks ago. Upgraded from a 4790k passed that one down to my daughter. More than I need today

[@kenshirogenjuro873]

Gotta love the touch of converting the flashback review footage to black and white. Like we’re all harkening back to the Stone Ages. Should have downscaled to 480i and overlaid some graininess too. There’s still opportunity to do so if you revisit original Ryzen vs their nearest Intel counterparts!

[@octoman_games]

Im running a 5800X3D on an old x370 that housed a 1700x, then a 3700x. What an epic treat by AMD.

[@metalroach437]

Went from a 1600 to a 3600 to a 5700x on one motherboard. Loved what AMD did with AM4.

[@fforcato]

4 years ago I bought the 3700x with a x570 mobo. At that time I thought it was a good investment. Last week just got a new 5800x3d and this thing is a monster! 4 years using the same motherboard and the same ram sticks is a flawless victory.

[@MrNelahem]

In the same boat. My AM4 life started on a 3800X + x570 + RX 580. Now on a 5800X3D + 7900XTX same board.

[@TheDunbartxeen]

Actually my Intel Xeon 1230v2 was the best Investment i made. Could hold on it for 7 Years before switching to Ryzen 3700X (now 5800X3D).

[@grizzzlyadamz]

I’ve been on the same Gigabyte X570 Aorus elite for 4 years. Started with a 3600x paired with a Sapphire Pulse 5600xt. On the F10 Bios. Now it’s on the F38g Bios rocking the 5800x3d with the Asrock Formula OC 6950xt.

[@Krazie-Ivan]

9600k owners looking at an i9 upgrade need to consider substantial added heat, which will mean 360mm in most cases to avoid thermal throttle. an additional $150 cost, *IF* their tower can fit one w/o negatively affecting their GPU cooling, otherwise add a new tower to the upgrade costs. and then there's power draw... hoping you PSU and MOBO's VRM solution can feed a 9900k.