54mm IMS Filter Basket | Is it Best Mod for Breville Espresso Machine?

[@notsoawake1915]

Video might be a year old, but you are amazing Hoon. Hope that you see this, just love your channel and your approach. You are my favourite coffee youtuber!

[@AnlamK]

I also own a Breville machine and this channel has been so helpful.

[@robvanbree2509]

With IMS you have to grind finer by default. Its the way of how the IMS is designed compared to stock breville basket.

[@jpjwds]

If you pull the shot in manual mode, you can extend pre infusion to 8-10 seconds which helps with the channelling with high pressure machine like the BBE.

[@trevorkurzhal]

I've timed the pre-infusion quite a few times with more than one BBE, and it seems to consistently put out 54g water in about 9.3-9.5 seconds (3:1, water:coffee for 18.0g dose). Spot on observation, James. But one needs to memorize the sound the BBE makes when its water flow actually starts. It's like... the third sound the machine makes? Is that your experience at all?

[@Zissou42]

@@trevorkurzhal What does this comment even mean? The flow rate empty is irrelevant to that when loaded, and if you are truly getting 54g out at 9.5s your grind is way too coarse and/or your beans are way too dry. FYI, if you consider your machine "high pressure," you can open it up and adjust the Overpressure Valve (OPV) downwards.

[@trevorkurzhal]

@Zissou42 I'm only referring to water flow rate out of the group, which is mainly applicable for the pre-infusion stage. I'm not referring to running a 54g shot in 9 seconds haha

[@megumi_0]

better to pull the completely "preinfusion" shot on these breville machines with older thermoblock, it conveniently hits 9 bar instead of its 12-14bar capabilities. i had significantly reduced channelling and a much more even extraction once i started doing PI only shots.

[@ahmadboard6227]

I got my Barista Pro a few months ago. I like your simple and lovely approach of presentation.

[@bobh207]

Hi Hoon. I missed this live, but watched it later. I have been using an IMS basket for a while now. Can you help me understand how the basket affects channeling? It seems that channeling depends on grind and puck preparation. I am thinking that channeling occurs or doesn't regardless of basket and portafilter (IMS, Breville, spouted, bottomless, ...). I use an IMS basket because it does not clog. My Breville basket easily clogged and was hard to clean out. I hold up the basket and look through it towards a light. My Breville basked would clog and just rinsing would not unclog. I had to use compressed air or a pin to clean out the holes. There were times when half the holes were clogged, which I think affects the puck pressure, which I guess could affect channeling. I find the IMS basket is really hard to clog. But with a clean basket, I think channeling is controlled by puck. What I missing something? Thanks!

[@freezingsunbreaka]

@bobh, I never have clogging with my regular baskets... Do you regularly clean and backflush? What grinder are you using?

[@kyleb2044]

The idea is ims puts more care in creating all the little holes, create more uniform and circular perforations. cheaper baskets may have slight issues between the holes creating more or less flow restriction from hole to hole and could create channels more easily. that's the idea anyway, I'd guess most modern baskets are built better then in the past, but ims does more QC to make sure.

[@Zissou42]

The shots honestly looked pretty similar, but I like the idea of a triple basket for darker roasts.

[@hangchen2023]

Looking for a new basket for my Breville express. This 2 year video is a gem. Was hesitant between the stock Breville basket and IMS since they are close in price on Amazon now. Decided for IMS! And seems ims is cheaper now 😄

[@zachfagin352]

id like to see you compare it to the ali express and amazon basket because they're closer to the shape of the IMS basket

[@patchong9263]

Yes, there was channeling in your second basket, between 11:46 - 11:48, not bad, though.

[@emersonmsd]

Amazing amount of coffee you use. I'm more 14 to 16 gr for a double shot and a 1:3 ratio. More Italian style.

[@topjets5616]

What I have read and video is that IMS and VTS baskets is that there holes in basket are same size, I don't remember process they used to check them, but I think it was Clive Coffee that did a video and they were talking about 58 mm baskets,

[@jnoller49]

The one Hoon is showing is a triple- 18-22 grams - had to make major adjustments to my distributor leveler

[@40wattsun82]

I think IMS basket requires a finer grind than stock basket

[@AnlamK]

He is not using a puck screen in these shots. Would that have hekped with channeling ?

[@BubbaSimmz]

Very helpful video and content, here. Hoon caused Amazon to sell out of IMS almost immediately, lol!

[@cardten]

I believe he did help Amazon. I bought one.

[@BubbaSimmz]

@@cardten let us know how you like the results over the stock one.

[@bsw78]

Honestly, I don't think there was a significant difference between the baskets. There was channelling with all the shots. Think the IMS was actually worse. This is great though as I don't have to buy an IMS basket now! Thanks Hoon! 👍🏻

[@JoseCastillo-yp1fn]

I thought the same. I am not buying the IMS

[@antoniettaespositoesposito2730]

Can I use coffe pods?

[@JPC326]

Does the IMS fit the top of an Areopress to try to use i as pour over dispersion screen ?

[@felix-antoinegarneau-picar1879]

I got the exact same basket and the IMS shower screen for my BBE a week ago. I also happen to have a Niche Grinder. It is a lot of adjustment because the basket is way larger than the Breville stock one. If I had known that the basket was larger than 18g (was advertised as 18g) and the other one as 14g (which in fact is as big as the Breville one), I would have bought the smaller one. Nonetheless, I was able to pull a few great shots on my bottomless portafilter. The shot is prettier due to the larger base. The extraction is better and the texture is syrupy. I had to make 20g+ shots instead of my usual 18g shot. For the shower screen, I cannot really say if there is a significant difference with the Breville one. Head to head, the water distribution seems more evenly, but there is still a dominant water jet due to the shower head configuration. Still, for a 60$ investment, it is nice to experiment. If the 14g ever is available again, I will surely purchase it.

[@MXG000]

So you don't recommend replace the shower head ?

[@felix-antoinegarneau-picar1879]

@@MXG000 I did not try them head on for the same coffee. The look on the puck is more evenly. I don't think it is significant on extraction and taste, but I did not try it. Nonetheless, you have to change the shower screen once in a while, so I would upgrade for the IMS everyday instead of the Breville one.

[@MXG000]

@@felix-antoinegarneau-picar1879 thank you for your feedback

[@xtcnrice]

I know I'm 6 months late on reading this comment, but still wanted to say thanks. I just got an IMS basket for my Infuser this week and I'm still dialing in. I'm finding I need to increase the dose as well. Did you also need to adjust your grind (finer)? Thanks!

[@felix-antoinegarneau-picar1879]

@@xtcnrice yes to both your questions

[@DiegoMosquera95]

What is the set up for the grinder of the machine ? Is it 5 ?

[@alexcrews2426]

Is this the IMS B62.52TH28E (583 holes @ 44mm) or B62.52TH28E/SO (499 holes @ 40mm)? And what are your thoughts of one versus the other? would the 499@40mm control channeling blow outs better?

[@LuxxVeritas]

That’s really weird. That first portafillter was your original Breville portafilter?? Cause my Barista, albeit a little old, came with a closed-bottom portafilter🤔

[@sebacastillos]

Can be used IMS baskets with any portafilter?

[@DJaquithFL]

What has been on my mind for a while is .. what's more important *weight or volume?* Example 18g of some coffee per volume is 20g to another. My observations have also been volume plays a huge role in taste .. especially for those that don't tamp per se but instead use a distributor with a fixed depth tamper. Meaning, I've had about as good of luck with taste overfilling the basket and using my finger to reduce volume / level and then to distribute / fixed tamp. The problem in our household is we use up to six different beans .. it makes conventional "dialing in" nearly impossible. Volume has seemed to be pretty universal.

[@freezingsunbreaka]

As you get to know your machine, you'll find eyeballing to be supreme :). Colour of your stream, speeding up near the end, consistency, channeling, etc. Don't worry about getting past the point of needing to objectively measure mass or volume if you're happy with your shots :).

[@DJaquithFL]

@@freezingsunbreaka .. The notion of e.g. 21g at "X" Grind setting for 30 seconds yielding a 2:1 "perfection" simply isn't reality. Everybody has their technique to reduce channeling, for myself the latest which seems to be the most consistent is to use a dosing ring and while grinds are dropping to move the portafilter in a circular motion and never tap any side and to level using the ring and tap only the bottom a couple or few times, here's my distributor tool and finally my calibrated tamper. Never did I think I'd have to baby coffee so much. Even then repeating everything identically I can sometimes have a variance from 2:1 to 3:1 and about 1 out of 5 with a small channeling spray. This damn coffee machine is giving me OCD.

[@freezingsunbreaka]

@@DJaquithFL are you using the built in grinder? Or have you upgraded it? I'm using the Baratza Sette 270. But even still, my shots are not great looking with channels. The IMS shower screen and basket are shipping out Monday, hopefully. I suspect this will help as the shower screen on the Breville Barista Express has not been pleasant. I love the CREMA Coffee Products dosing funnel and combo distributor/tamper. Helps. :). I do a similar procedure to you. But now I'm thinking about getting the Bezzera Strega or Profitec Pro 800... This is where knowing extractions help more than times and mass/volume. Lol. Am I ready?

[@freezingsunbreaka]

@@DJaquithFL also, I see what you did there with the "OCD", hahaha :)! Good one :)!

[@-Vee_]

it will work with OEM Breville portafiltre or just with bottomless?

[@jonathanross4196]

Hoon, can the IMS basket be used with the original Breville double spout porta basket? Or it is ment to be used only with bottom less?

[@deft08]

In another video he mentioned that the IMS basket fitted the “standard” barista express portafilter too.

[@espresso.redwine]

I have my IMS basket in the dual spout portafilter, but you have to take out the plastic.

[@charlietighe]

Is the basket that comes with the crema filter about the same quality as breville or amazon?

[@giancarloarpino9842]

I would love to know this as well!

[@sergmelikyan]

Did you had to adjust coffee amount to fill basket comfortably?

[@osammah]

Interesting! Just a guess. Maybe the IMS 20g shot had less channeling because it had less pressure than the 21g shot? (especially given that the Express has high bar pressure). That's the only logical explanation I can think of. Otherwise maybe the puck prep was worse on the 21g shot. Great stream as always, btw!

[@MultiBamb00cha]

Late response, but w/e 😀. Dose changes the way espresso pulls by itself too. Diameter of your puck doesn't change (is set by the 54mm portafilter in this case), so with more coffee, the puck will end up thicker, making it comparatively harder for water to get through. Any additional resistance presents a chance for the water to find a path of lesser resistance, aka a channel. Higher doses are just harder to evenly extract. Plus a bit more headspace in the portafilter, while making cleanup worse due to backsuction after the pump is turned off after the shot, allows for more expansion during preinfusion, allowing for potential shutting of possible channel spots by just the coffee expanding filling up that empty space as it needs to

[@Gelker_kitter]

Amazon can not find IMS basket fit my 54mm portafilter。Hoon could put the link for me

[@HoonsCoffee]

IMS 54mm Basket 18-22g - amzn.to/3uUcBrf

[@Gelker_kitter]

@@HoonsCoffee thank you Hoon，look like they out of stock till Jun

[@michelleroberts4906]

im in canada , even checked out the ims website ! cant get one any where!!

[@TheSlurrakane]

Quick channeling on the front

[@James4life0687]

I was waiting for this video!!

[@GinolasVideos]

Cant find that basket in the UK :(

[@SuperYankeechick]

Does this basket work with the stock porta filter?

[@josephmuglia4204]

I would think it probably does NOT work with the standard handle. The basket is deeper, the hats why it’s being used with a bottomless.

[@davidbroadfoot1864]

@@josephmuglia4204 It does fit. You have to take out the plastic.

[@inayeung9685]

what is the benefit of removing the plastic inside the breville stock portafilter? and how do you remove it?

[@davidlogan2682]

I think Hoon made a video on this. See if you can find it. If you cannot find it, I'll try and explain it.

[@inayeung9685]

@@davidlogan2682 Thank you so much! I was able to find the video and have the plastic removed! 😊

[@stagecoachist]

I would just like to make a triple shot with dual walled basket that came with the machine ...don’t they make one ? In pressurized 22g

[@davidbroadfoot1864]

Why are you using the dual-walled basket? They were designed for pre-ground (i.e. stale) coffee. There is no way a premium supplier like IMS is ever going to produce a product to help you make sub-standard coffee.

[@cardten]

Hi All, great video. Very honest review and really liked the sequence of events and concluding remarks.

[@HoonsCoffee]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@Xrayg219]

Hooon check this out .. i always get a better shot from the breville touch when i use 18g instead of 17g ( with reg basket ) for a long time i was getting inconsistent shot with 17g im getting beautiful tiger strips baby !!!

[@LukesHardware]

Yea I find this as well, if you look on the side of the box it actually says 18g minimum! I only got mine a week ago so still have the box lol

[@DavidRBermudez]

There was channeling using the IMS basket but it was just for a couple of milliseconds....unlike the original basket, which was worse. However...the channeling can also be caused by uneven tamping or distribution...or even the dosing...just for fun, try using 20g of coffee...that is the midpoint of the IMS basket....and then see what happens in slow motion.

[@wirinharwirjawan6422]

agree with ya, all spurting can cause of either uneven grind size or dirty basket as well and I prefer to use blind shaker, DT and and thumb press using conventional tamper and Well... maybe it is just me :)

[@DavidRBermudez]

@@davidbroadfoot1864 its there...it is clearly visible...besides, i had the same setup not too long ago...it happened to me too

[@davidbroadfoot1864]

You could not possibly witness a change that only lasted two thousandths of a second. That's less time that it takes a hummingbird to beat its wings once.

[@DavidRBermudez]

@@davidbroadfoot1864 i did..thats why i pointed it out

[@gambi321]

Can you share the serial number and link for the IMS baskey

[@rev.paull.vasquez4001]

Hey there, it’s listed in the video description along with links to just about everything else he uses. It’s not listed directly on the IMS site, at least it wasn’t a few days ago when I checked.

[@lexuscarrington]

Hey, i was able to get IMS basket and with the puck paper and fresh coffee beans. I get fast extractions and channeling. When i use the basket from Amazon i get a beautiful shot. I have the breville barista touch. 54 inch portafilter basket. I guess if I get another machine in the future i cam use it.

[@arabatlianh]

So I have the barista pro.. how many grams can I fit into the IMS compared to the barista pro basket?

[@Soras_]

It depends on the height of your basket.

[@LedZero84]

Why is it already soll out? Will it be available again?

[@HoonsCoffee]

Not sure. Last time I heard was sometime in June.

[@espresso.redwine]

Hoon, I just got my IMS basket and loved your video, but I wish you would have measured your shot volume and tasted each shot as well. I had trouble getting the correct shot volume, time and taste with the IMS basket which I got from Amazon. I tried 18, 20 and 22 grams and each time the machine stopped short of the 1:2 output and all my shots were sour. I do not have this issue with the Breville basket with same amount of beans and grind and can easily get 36-40 grams out. I am using Good Brothers India Mysore Nuggets which are also pretty easy to dial-in. Can you or your loyal listeners suggest any reason for my issues?

[@HoonsCoffee]

We are going to try again tomorrow morning with Barista Pro.

[@davidlogan2682]

Have you tried using the manual shot mode option (where you control the endpoint)?

[@espresso.redwine]

@@davidlogan2682 Thanks for the suggestion, yes I did try it but was having an issue. So I have reset the machine and pulled blank shots with manual mode and it ran until I stopped it. So tomorrow I will try again.

[@davidlogan2682]

@@espresso.redwine I just ordered a larger basket, so I'm hoping the extra coffee/deeper bed layer in the new basket won't cause new issues.

[@espresso.redwine]

@@davidlogan2682 Let me know how it works out for you. Just watched today's video and Hoon pulled a great 22g shot with the IMS basket on the Barista Pro. Hope I can get there.

[@freezingsunbreaka]

@hoonscoffee, have you tried the IMS shower screen yet?

[@HoonsCoffee]

I have been using it. I like it

[@freezingsunbreaka]

@@HoonsCoffee is the IMS Shower screen and basket a huge upgrade for the barista Express? Mine will be shipped on Monday, both items. I'm hoping the price is worth it. Lol.

[@michaelfloydwright]

Thank you for the informative video.. I saw little to no difference in those two shots. It would come down to taste for me.

[@AhmedGZiab]

Hi, Please make review for the IMS BV 200 IM shower screen 🙏🏻 I think it will make a big difference in extracting the coffee.

[@MXG000]

Did you try it ?

[@AhmedGZiab]

@@MXG000 No but someone told me it will make a difference.

[@steverummel9882]

I enjoyed your video!

[@HoonsCoffee]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@Extrematron]

Cool video. FYI I think the standard term for that is a group head.

[@jayvillzTV]

These are sold out everywhere ;(

[@timothyberlinski2299]

So if i got the IMS basket and IMS shower screen ot should make this machine as good as the pro?

[@HoonsCoffee]

No. You can't change the group head pressure easily on Barista Express. But I do recommend the Basket for sure.

[@Mattbeatty89]

I think CREMA Coffee products is the best, however they are never in stock.

[@freezingsunbreaka]

I love @cremacoffeepro :)!

[@wirinharwirjawan6422]

Side / donut channeling and it is all cause of tamping imvho :)

[@DJaquithFL]

I think all of the channeling was because of your coffee and nothing you did.

[@kevinkempf7633]

Try grinding finer to compensate for increased flow of IMS basket.

[@James4life0687]

22g with a finer grind

[@oo5068]

I don’t think there is a difference between breville basket and IMS basket. It’s all about how you do it.

[@HoonsCoffee]

Good point!

[@Xrayg219]

hoooooonnnn baby was up

[@vicislick6]

Hell yeah there was channeling,, I thought the Breville basket shot came out better. I use an IMS basket and I think you did not prepare the shot well. I rarely get any channeling.and I use a Breville 870 Infuser. And I also do a long 10 second preinfusion. The Brevilles disperse water like it’s a freaking fire hose. Your video would not make me get an IMS basket because your shots look like shit.