6.5 Creedmoor AR10 - Proof Research, SilencerCo Velos, Geissele SSA-E

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@garywillis9528 2 ай бұрын

Building an AR10, more specifically, an LR308 lower can be a challenge. Not insurmountable, but can make it challenging. PSA receivers are proprietary in that they use AR15 lpg componants, as well as a longer back end for an AR15 length buffer. You may need to clean up the holes for the keepers of the lock pins and safety. Sometimes the curve of the rear of the upper receiver has to be fitted. As well as the boss of the rear pin. Personally, I would use an Aero Precision receiver, which also has a set screw to tighten up action instead of having to use the rubber thing. Just so.other people know, the big difference between LR308 and AR10 is the shape of the mating surface between upper and lower receivers. The LR308 is rounded, the AR10 has a flat surface in that same area.

@RosealeeCorey 2 ай бұрын

That's what I am planning g for next year

@MF-Rell 2 ай бұрын

Oversized pins will fix the slop.

@basrutten641 2 ай бұрын

My SH4J 6-24x50 shows up tomorrow. Have a 16” .308” for it to ride on with that Polo 30 can. Pretty stoked

@sawtoothtactical404 2 ай бұрын

That will be awesome! I've got a 4-16 scope coming next week, as well and I just ordered a Polonium 30, myself.

@basrutten641 2 ай бұрын

@@sawtoothtactical404 may your approval time be swift! Waiting on an SBR stamp for my Radian ADAC lower currently. After building out that Aero M5 I found that even a medium profile 16” .308” BA barrel- that a few things are hard to deny. An LR308/AR10- specifically the DPMS pattern is a tank. This immediately prompted me to build a 13.9” Faxon Gunner profile. I’m intending to use a Riflespeed gas block since another hard fact is .308” barrels are very very overgassed. My 16” was absolutely ridiculous. Also a 16” .308” DPMS pattern is as long as a 18” AR15 which puts a lot of the weight out further. I’m gonna use the shortest Riflespeed block and a handguard that takes me right up to the adjustment knob. It’s also getting a separate dedicated lower with a carbine buffer tube and shorty .308” buffer. This will also get SBR’d so I can direct thread the can. I use Keymo on 5.56 and 6ARC and I would prefer not to use that for length and weight savings. Otherwise I am not really gaining much. The Polo cans suppress flash VERY well but I still think I may have to run a Reardon combo for flash suppressor and mounting hub. I don’t think I will ever do a 12.5” .308” because the flash is something fierce and not many cans are rated for that. BUT- the Polo 30 IS- so I am hoping if I run all that in the 13.9” I can tame the flash- and I am also really hoping I am not loading the can with too much powder residue. I’m going to need some time before I get all that together. It just simply ain’t a priority right now- I am like you- find my parts on sale when they pop up- took me over a year to get that 16” together- actually got both pairs of receiver sets for well under 2 🦴 That’s my budget battle rifle in a nutshell. Seems the Ruger SFAR has some teething issues but I do like the concept- I just don’t think it has quite proven itself long term yet. If you have not heard about the Steyr DMR 7.62 you should check it out. I snagged an AUG just before I finished my first .308” and sank quite a bit of cheddar into that to get it like I like it. Anyhow I am still not sure how much the DMR will cost or when it releases but that’s kinda how I went the direction I did with the 13.9”- I guess it will have to do until we are able to acquire their’s. Just flat out wickedness. So- lol- the SH4J has exceeded my initial expectations. The clarity is pretty awesome for the price. I’m taking it out this weekend/ if I can wait that long- 🤣 it’s my first long range scope of any kind so I’m very excited to reach out with it. Always liked your channel because you’re a relatable person and you’re learning as you go along- much like me. I hope your channel continues to grow and benefit from your efforts. So many toobers don’t even read the comments- let alone respond as well as you do. Keep up the hard work 🤘🏻

@Silverferntacticool 2 ай бұрын

Great vid

@sawtoothtactical404 2 ай бұрын

Thank you!

@ourlifeinwyoming4654 2 ай бұрын

Nice rifle! Holy cow!!!

@sawtoothtactical404 2 ай бұрын

Right? Thanks!

@laurineil-morin3792 2 ай бұрын

Aero Precision M5 complete upper & a lower in 6.5 Creedmoor go to Schuyler Arms save a ton. Nice rifle ,thanks

@LongDong-w3g 2 ай бұрын

I'll keep my 6mm arc ar-15 platform and will reach out beyond 1000 yards

@3277jr 2 ай бұрын

Arken Zulus Day/Night scope 5x20 with range finder and ballistic calculator. Takes a bit to setup and a chronograph but you can hit target with range finder and be dead on at any range because it will move crosshair or light up hold over.

@basrutten641 2 ай бұрын

What happens when the battery dies?

@3277jr 2 ай бұрын

@@basrutten641 well if you're out more than 8 hours bring a spare battery. If you can afford a 800 dollar scope you can afford a spare battery

@basrutten641 2 ай бұрын

@@3277jr yeah- you clearly missed the entire point. Just because you have a calculator doesn’t mean you can do the Math. I’ll continue to show my work

@peteregger7928 2 ай бұрын

The rifle you were showcasing is not an AR10. It's a DPMS pattern rifle and because it had an Aero Precision hand guard that indicates a "high pattern" upper because that's all that Aero makes for its M5. There is also a "low pattern" version that some manufacturers make. The original DPMS pattern was referred to by DPMS as an LR308 because that was the original chambering. So what should we call the 6.5 chambered DPMS? If I remember right there are only 5 parts from an actual AR10 that are interchangeable with a DPMS pattern and that depends on which version. AR10B or the AR10A. Wasn't going to comment because everybody and his brother incorrectly calls a DPMS pattern an AR10 including some manufacturers. It matters because most of the parts are different between the two. Wilson Combat's packaging often refers to the parts as AR10 and then somewhere else on the packaging in a much smaller font also states for DPMS pattern rifles only. This never ending debacle even by manufacturing creates a lot of confusion especially for new builders and possibly could be dangerous. Rant over! I'm good for a couple of days now! Lol!

@sawtoothtactical404 2 ай бұрын

I appreciate the information and that's exactly the reason why I mentioned the fact that there are two patterns and not a "mil-spec" like there is for the AR15, but I also believe that people colloquially refer to large frame gas guns such as this as AR10s and then specify DPMS/LR308 if they know what they're talking about.

@peteregger7928 2 ай бұрын

@@sawtoothtactical404 Thanks for the reply!

@awsomedude9111 2 ай бұрын

wondering about the barrel, if it can heat up to fast and become inaccurate or Stainless steel wears over a chrome barrel. No idea, I was looking at BSF Carbon barrels.

@sawtoothtactical404 2 ай бұрын

It seemed to stay accurate after I heated it up, but I don't have a ton of time on this barrel.

@RosealeeCorey 2 ай бұрын

I plan on building a AR 10 next year shopping arpund now for deLs and Blems overstock Aero parts or Stag.

@steelbucks1202 2 ай бұрын

What was the length of the barrel?

@armorers_wrench 2 ай бұрын

Instead of going out and spending a ton of money building a fancy AR10 I'd suggest just getting a halfway decent scope for your 14.5" 5.56 AR and buying ammo. You can absolutely dip your toes into long-er range shooting/precision shooting with a nice AR15. You'll be able to shoot a far more significant round count at distance too because the price of ammo is significantly lower even if you're buying the best 5.56 on the market and you don't even necessarily need to do that. You will also learn more because 5.56 has more drop and it is more effected by the wind. You do not need a 6.5CM to shoot out to 600m. In fact there are plenty of videos on youtube of guys getting hits with 14.5" 5.56 guns at 1000 yards. Figure out what you want out of a long range gun before you just drop $3000+ on a setup. Thank me later. Resist the urge to CONSOOOOM. If you're gonna buy anything buy a garmin Chrono, a good bipod, a cheap range finder, and a decent LPVO. That's really all you need to start shooting at greater distances. Plug your numbers from the garmin chrono into a ballistic calculator and boom, you're in business. Also, assuming you follow my advice but even if you don't, when getting a new scope I'd highly recommend getting a mil-based optic rather than MOA. I prefer the Primary Arms PLX-C with Griffin mil reticle over every other LPVO I've ever tried. it's a good scope. There are plenty of other good lpvo's on the market and for that matter you could just get one of Arken's scopes like the one you just used but with a mil reticle and save even more money. I promise you will be a far more capable shooter if you take the money you were gonna spend on that AR10 and just buy a scope and tons of ammo instead.

@johnneill5960 2 ай бұрын

Taking a .556 out to 1000 yds is absurd . It’s more like walking them onto the target at that yardage . Can you do it ? Yeh , can you do it consistently? Nope & even if you could that round at 1000 yds is virtually worthless, you won’t do anything but piss someone off . When I was overseas we wouldn’t even engage past 700 with .556 unless we had a MK-12

@chrisk2557 2 ай бұрын

I agree with you for the most part. 5.56 can reach out and touch things reliably out to 600 like you're saying, but everything's a trade off and the only constant is that physics and gravity will eventually win. Shorten the barrel length thus removing several hundred feet per second on the round and it's not going to go as far as predictably, especially with "intermediate" cartridges. The transonic barrier is a real son-of-a-bitch. Sure, you could lob some 5.56 at a deer 1000 away but I personally wouldn't consider that to be particularly ethical as a hunter. I'd much prefer a round like the 6.5 Creedmoor that retains its terminal effects at those greater distances. But again, it's all about the physics: once he starts to get out to 700 or 900, the data on the box he's using is still just a step up from his "Kentucky windage". Some of it has to do with altitude, humidity, wind, and the fabled C o R i O l i S e F f E c T (that 97% of long range shooters honestly won't encounter). But worse than that is what most of those boxes *don't* advertise, much to my chagrin when I started out shooting -- and missing -- is the length of the "test barrel" they used to get those speed and drop measurements. Oh? You buy Box A of ammo over Box B of ammo because the foot per second or foot pounds of energy is higher? Little do you know -- unless you go to their website and comb through their catalog with a ruler and a highlighter -- that they're shooting this 300 Blackout through a bolt action 24 inch barrel and milking every last drop of propellant out of the round and the other company used a 16 inch barrel, which is still probably significantly longer than what your intended use case is, but is more realistic to what you'd buy off the shelf and probably more repeatable. I absolutely concur with your other thoughts, though. If you can't afford to buy 3 or more guns, you definitely shouldn't. Bonus points for suggesting the Garmin Chrono, that's what I'm saving up for right now (see above complaining about "advertised" vs "real" foot per second gripe...), that's a great addition to anyone's range day duffel bag. If you're reading this and you're just starting out buy a 16.1 inch 5.56 and a 22LR conversion kit. Learn your fundamentals. Dry fire. Save up your money. Transition from a red dot to an LPVO (and then offset that red dot you're already familiar with). Don't get discouraged, we're not all KZbin shorts or Instagram or Tiktok savants after our first thousand rounds. And for God's sake please use a 2 point sling.

@shaunzimmerman661 2 ай бұрын

@@johnneill5960the mark 12 was because u had the right optic not nes. tge right rifle altho it was, but a 2.5-15 or whatever was in the mark12 was what made it most possible. the rest had 3 or 4 power a cog

@RosealeeCorey 2 ай бұрын

Sounds like great advice I think I reconsider for my self building one next year . I can only shoot safely 200 yds on My small place .

@armorers_wrench 2 ай бұрын

It's not absurd. There are people shooting 5.56 to 1000 every weekend in competition. There are people on youtube who can easily get hits at 700 with a little 11.5, I myself have taken an 11.5 out to 500m(540y) quite easily. You don't have to walk them onto target if you've done it before. The only time you'd have issues is in high wind if you're using an appropriate match grade load like Black Hills 77gr TMK or OTM. At 1000m a Black Hills 77gr OTM is still doing right at 1000fps (+/- 50fps) out of a 14.5 which is still easily enough to kill a human being seeing as how many people have been killed with .22lr and 1000fps from a 77gr OTM is carrying more energy than .22lr at pointblank range. I don't care how badass you think you are, you stop being a badass when a you get a chunk of razor sharp metal in your lung. Your argument really proves mine. Shooting 5.56 at greater distances will teach you more than shooting a more capable round will. I don't really care what you and your friends did overseas because its irrelevant to this conversation but I know you felt compelled to interject your military experience as if that really means ANYTHING with what we're talking about which is simply LEARNING LONG RANGE SHOOTING ON A STATIC RANGE. He's not getting shot at by a taliban with a PKM. He's out in the desert trying to practice marksmanship. The MK12 had several enhancements that made it good for longer distances, all of which I suggested in my original comment. Those enhancements were: A good optic(the M4 was typically only issued with an ACOG or Aimpoint), good match grade ammo(MK12 was issued with Black Hills MK262, which can be had for significantly less $$ than match grade 6.5 Creedmoor ammo), a bipod, and a free floated barrel which I did not have to write in my original comment because he's already done videos about his 14.5" and it has a match grade free floated barrel already. You may not believe it but a well built civilian AR15 that has good parts is actually BETTER than the MK12 was. 9hole reviews has extensively shown the accuracy potential of the MK12 and it shoots like 1.5 moa with MK262 and the AEM5. That's easily attainable now. The scope issued with the MK12 absolutely SUCKS by modern standards. It was a standard mil-dot scope. Later versions improved on that but originally it had a scope that is seriously outdated. It had a 2.5-10 that if I'm not mistaken was actually SFP--I could be wrong about that, either way, later in the GWOT they were issued with lots of different optics and used with optics that were purchased with unit funds etc. My argument was never, not in any way, that shooting 5.56 at 1000 is an ideal combat solution. I never, in any part of my comment, said that it was a highly lethal round at those distances(although it could still easily kill a human, don't be obtuse, this is literally math). I said, quite simply, that shooting 5.56 at longer range will teach you more about precision. As a matter of fact, I specifically said it has MORE drop and is MORE effected by wind and because it is a less than ideal cartridge for that role that it will TEACH you MORE. If you just jump in to shooting magnum cartridges it will be EASY. Shooting 5.56 at greater distances requires a more skilled marksman than shooting .338 lapua magnum at 1000 does. Even with 6.5 CM 1000m is EASY. With 5.56 you will have to learn how to make wind calls and you will have to build dope and you will need to use a ballistic calculator and as a result of shooting a bunch of 5.56 at greater distances you will learn all the math that you need to learn and you will learn how to shoot from a bag and how to dial for elevation and you'll learn how to use your reticle, etc. It's not absurd, it can be done, maybe not by you but it absolutely can be done and it can be done fairly consistently by someone who knows what they're doing. Damn near every serious PRS shooter has a 5.56/.223 training rifle for exactly this reason. When he gets ready to move up into larger calibers by then he'll have a much greater understanding of what is worth spending money on and why. If he just jumps right into building an AR10 he's gonna buy a bunch of parts that someone else told him to buy because they're the "best" and he's not gonna understand why he may or may not need those parts.

@turbobarbarazo 2 ай бұрын

How do you compare the db on the suppressor vs. the flow 7.62 or 5.56

@RosealeeCorey 2 ай бұрын

What bipod os that a Harris ?

@johnneill5960 2 ай бұрын

6.5 is nothing at 300 yds . I’ve taken both of my AR-10’s ( 6.5 & 308) out to 1000. I’ve taken my barret .50 cal out to 1500 yds . That’s the furtherest I’ve been . When I was living in Ft Wprth a few years ago we had a mile range in one of the suburbs . I’ve taken .566 AR’s out to 600 both on ranges and professionally .