6.5 Creedmoor vs 308 Barrier Test: No More Debating

On this episode of Ultimate Barrier Testing, we will be comparing the performance of the 6.5 Creedmoor to the 308 Winchester on 4 different targets. Each target is worth 25 points (winner takes all), for a grand total of 100 points. Whichever cartridge ends up with the highest score will be the winner. Testing was setup at 50 yards. Thanks for watching!
*These tests are meant for entertainment and educational purposes only. Do not try any of these tests at home!
Round 4 should say 308 WIN won instead of 6.5 CM
6.5 Creed: S&B 140 gr FMJ
308 Win: S&B 147 gr FMJ
#midwayusa

[@dopechannoodles9791]

Biggest take away for me is that if I ever need to build a barricade for protection it should be built with sand bags

[@gslavik]

That's what military does.

[@joeboyd5081]

Ll​@@gslavik

[@david935plum]

And creosote RR ties.....

[@terrorform242]

i love the militarys current "sandbag" the hesco blocks. literally a sandbag in concept just scaled up.

[@alwaysmakinglyrics7340]

I was thinking the same thing , sand bags are multipurpose disaster tools.

[@matts9]

You should have reshot the 308 on the first test. Tumbling was due to shot placement. Not the ammo's fault

[@richardbarns9484]

Absolutely!

[@tasatort9778]

My thoughts exactly!

[@Spydr6684]

Agreed.

[@TimberwolfCY]

Tumbling can be due to any number of factors, not the least of which being a knot in the wood itself.

[@johnbutler2780]

I just typed that. Damn. Beat me to it.

[@Brykk]

Ive trusted .308 for 4 decades and im sticking with it. Its just a great cartridge.

[@th.burggraf7814]

3 decades and can't complain either. 👍🏻

[@buffaloshite]

It's a great cartridge...until 800m.

[@Brykk]

@@buffaloshite in my area, i dont typically take shots past 500 yards, unless my buddies and i are just plinking for fun. I dont like to take shots over 300 when hunting. Thats where i feel comfortable with my ability to take an ethical shot for hunting. If the freezer is empty, then i may go to 500, but 300 is my comfortable limit.

[@bigthoughts2644]

My only real flaw that i have found is that the 308 cant handle higher grain rounds.

[@jonathancole6124]

@bigthoughts2644 all of the bullets are heavier than 6.5 cm. Are you talking about more than the 175gr?

[@rickieharris6812]

Sorry to say I don't think the concrete test was a draw the 308 totally demolished the plywood I'd say it got much bigger energy I results at the end. Just my opinion love your videos keep on making them

[@rediron44]

Agreed. Not sure why he called that a draw either

[@romchik07]

Just shows how much more energy the 308 slug has over the 6.5

[@billsalcido7878]

Yea how tf is that a tie?! He must be blind, that’s why he got those glasses on all the time 😂

[@stephenlawrence554]

It might have been down to the fact that the wood was already damaged when the 6.5 punched through it

[@rickieharris6812]

@@stephenlawrence554 sorry to say this sir but you may want to re-watch the video, it was a fresh piece of plywood behind the concrete when the 308 hit it they didn't use the same piece that the 6.5 did, fresh piece of plywood

[@joshrandall3632]

I'm a big .30-'06 fan, but that .308 just seems to perform way better than the numbers indicate it should. It doesn't quite have the ring to it when spoken, but it's easier to type as well. I think the CM has a lot of use for a very limited number of people who can exploit the advantages it has at longer ranges. The .308 is plenty of gun at all the ranges most of us can shoot.

[@kristyclonts2799]

Out perform 30-06 ....? Neither one is easily found if in scavenge mode but I take the 06 ..... prob more of them to find

[@RangeTimeRicky24]

30 ought 6 was the precursor to the .308 if my memory serves me right.

[@jonathanrhodes6180]

30-06. Works for me, my father, and grandfather. If it ain't broke.... Honestly, the old guys usually fill seven of eight elk tags wearing the same jeans and flannel they wear every day. No trip to Cabela's needed.

[@SpaghettiFPV-tg3qh]

6.5 less recoil.. what you want more recoil ?

[@juhanivalimaki5418]

@@SpaghettiFPV-tg3qh Less recoil, less drop, and less wind drift. True. But that's also where the benefits end. Everything else is then worse than in .308. Availability, price, barrel life, shell case life, terminal effects/bullet designs, NATO logistics support ...

[@VmaxBR549]

Your 308 test on the 6" wooden block should have been invalidated as you hit so close to the edge. That would have caused the bullet to tumble. You should have made another shot away from the edge. (;-) TP

[@markrobinson9553]

That is exactly what I said. good point

[@bobhaehn5470]

The 6.5 was designed as a ballistically superior bullet at distance. Less drop, less spin drift, things like that. So unless you're going to 600 yds and further, both cartridges will perform essentially the same

[@stevelynn7302]

300 yards is the point the 308 stats fall compared to 6.5cm . . But the 6.5 was designed for distance so ..I still prefer 6.5

[@jamesalvin7374]

Thanks for testing all of these cartridges. I appreciate your evolution of testing methods as you progress.

[@aaronbaker9884]

I own both. My .308 is for midrange targets, and my 6.5 is for long-range targets. They both have their purpose. Infantry leads the way!

[@curlymaple42]

Yeh, see, you clearly understand ballistic coefficient!! Good for you! Many don't.

[@murkypuddle33]

I don't know shit about shit, but comparing the 2 rounds looks, the 6.5 is way more slender, a bit longer...makes me think " more aerodynamic, less weight, means less drag means it shoots farther". I'd also think it would be a lot more accurate at longer ranges too? However, I think the 308 is a lot fatter, looks to me like it packs more of a punch at the cost of long range accuracy and distance? Am I right?

[@dmt8192]

308 is better for short barrel rifles.

[@curlymaple42]

@@dmt8192 yup. Out far they start to equalize.

[@jonathancole6124]

Targets. Paper targets. Exactly. Game, I would never use a bullet less than 150gr. 308 wins over 6.5cm.

[@tomfairbourn6998]

Still keeping the 308 over a 6.5

[@kirkwkesterson9177]

I have shot them both. As a 70 year old, I really prefer the lower recoil of the 6.5. It is easier to shoot more rounds comfortably .

[@phillhuddleston9445]

In the first test the .308 that tumbled also hit near the bottom edge of the plate which allowed the plate to bend more than if it had hit farther away from the edge This greater deformation means that the bullet is less likely to penetrate compared to if it had hit closer to the center of the plate. Being that it hit sideways it still likely would not have made it through but it was still unfair due to the placement.

[@stephenedwards5038]

Cheated against the 308 on the first concrete block test... did far more to the plywood than the 6.5

[@thestroyer17]

u can break that playwood with basic fork, what do you mean

[@homerflesher7426]

Bullshit

[@meanman6992]

Have you considered a target consisting of 16, 1/8” plates, spaced by a 1/4”?

[@drywallman1986]

After the first plate they're balls of lead spinning through the air with a larger diameter than they started.

[@chairrider2462]

308 still has a lot going for it. This old man will stick with it. Great presentation kid! Subscribed!

[@cheryltysver4819]

Really like this channel and your summary regarding the limiting velocity against the sand was excellent!

[@akulakatran7754]

Hello again from Russia. I just recently asked to sift the sand to see what the bullets look like. Thank you, this is a very interesting activity. Good luck to you.

[@ronbdallas]

Another informative and entertaining video👍. I always learn something watching these videos…even if it’s only realizing I’m supposed to be working🤣

[@jjjjns]

Both cartridges are fantastic. Let's not forget about the 7mm-08 too

[@garrettstiles7808]

The perfect middle ground!

[@Pickwickian]

7mm-08 is superior to both.

[@ewpoirier]

Thank you for your service Paul.

[@roostershooter76]

308 wins it. I owned a 6.5 Creedmoor in 2008 , before the fad caught on, and had a hell of a time finding ammo in Montana on an Elk hunt. So, i sold it and have never regretted it. 308 can be found at any bait shop and mom and pop hardware store in most locations.

[@212caboose]

Yup. Same with 30'06. During the coof, one of the calibers that was consistently on the shelves (if there was ammo on the shelves to begin with) was .308 and 30'06.

[@pa3gungal]

6.5 Creedmoor is a lot more common today than it was 15 years ago. The price difference between the two cartridges is negligible for hunting ammo, as is performance out to about 500 yards, at which point the superior ballistics of the 6.5 kick in. But even then at 1000 yds there’s only about a 1 foot difference in drop (albeit with a significant difference in terminal energy.)

[@CrashRacknShoot]

​@@pa3gungallet it go. 6.5 sucks

[@pa3gungal]

@@CrashRacknShoot ok boomer

[@CrashRacknShoot]

@@pa3gungal sure thing, man bun.

[@some19872003]

Something happened to the 308 in the wood test and I think if you shot the groups again they would both be a tie. Might have hit a knot inside. Also I bought my AR from midway because they sponsor your channel and also helps they have the lowest prices anywhere along with a 10% discount for first time buyers.

[@halfcirclehranch6877]

I think that first .308 tumbled because it passed so close to the bottom of the block, so the wood may have warped more on the bottom as it passed, destabilizing the bullet.

[@garand1911]

Bad shot, shooter error.

[@Mildly_Amused]

I agree. The .308 was very close to the bottom of the wood in the first test, so that could have affected the results.

[@phild9813]

Yeah I’m guessing the wood test should’ve been a tie.

[@EdAb]

@@halfcirclehranch6877 100%. If all shots had been centered the 308 wouldn't have yawed.

[@MADDLADO1]

Another thing about the .308 is how common and available it is.

[@paladin556]

I see more 6.5 on the shelf than 308. Even in the shortage there was more of it.

[@derrick11boutain]

They are equally available almost 100 percent of the time.

[@MADDLADO1]

@@derrick11boutain Not where I live

[@MADDLADO1]

@@zer0edin125 Alaska

[@MADDLADO1]

@@zer0edin125 I never said it isn't here, just not as available and common as .308

[@chylodavis7573]

Thank you I'm always glad to see your videos. This same test at 300 to 500 yds might show more discrepancies. And would be fun to watch. Some of your other comparisons at further distances also. Kinda like recycling videos but it's still new content

[@curlymaple42]

I suspect the 6.5 would pull ahead the longer the range just given ballistic coefficient.

[@nozrep]

i am sure others have pointed it out but dang. Dude’s voice is just fantastic and amazing with that baritone bass quality

[@MagicPrepper]

Makes me sound pre-pubescent in comparison.

[@nozrep]

@@MagicPrepperhaha yep me too!

[@calholli]

I didn't even notice

[@735Secure]

With the right equipment everyone sounds like that 😏

[@fatmuscle1]

Sounds like Ray Ramano..

[@douglashewitt5064]

I don't own either, but it would probably be the 308 because of available ammo, period. The testing was impressive for both depending upon the bullet specs and speed. Comparable bullets and speeds would give comparable results, I think. Very close.

[@henrikchristensen6314]

And barrel life is alot longer for the .308

[@douglashewitt5064]

I have to believe you. Thanks

[@derrick11boutain]

I see everyone bringing up the fact that ammo is more available... it makes me wonder if you people even look at the shelves. Its hard to take advice from someone on a cartridge when they are wrong with the first thing they say.

[@almaadams3631]

​@@derrick11boutain300blk and 6.5CM have come down in price considerably as well. Have to buy an upper for both those cartriges now. ( actually; the CMMG Dissent 300blk is a complete "pistol" and is on layaway as we speak)

[@jonathancole6124]

6.5 need more is not made in heavier bullet weights like the 308. 6.5 will never be comparable because it can't. It physics. 30% smaller and not as heavy will not deliver as much terminal velocity. It's impossible.

[@user-pk5pj4fu5q]

Love the music choices👍 The info is pretty good too!

[@darylmeanger2849]

I won't sell my .308 yet. Comparing average bullet weights for calibers at same velocity would be a fairer comparison. Interesting and fun content - thanks!

[@MJA5]

I never sell anything

[@mythos000000025]

Honestly both cartridges are good, i like the fact you can make 6.5cm out of used or new .308 brass...so get both! Just reuse military surplus ammo if you can find it cheap. Id be interested in knowing what you thought about felt recoil from the same basic gun setup. Also long range shots with high bc bullets(say 600, 750 and 1000 yards). I own one of them...dont really have a preference as to which caliber though. To each his own

[@markchapman2585]

You're definitely my favorite gun, Channel. I love my 308 and 30-06. I hope you win the award. Cheers from Canada 🍻.

[@mymomsoldlandcruiser7220]

Great video. I really like my .308 and was curious about the 6.5 creedmoor now I know. Thanks for doing the video.

[@MrKingArthurhk]

Thanks again, Raymond Barone.

[@curlymaple42]

More like his brother. 😆

[@tmc6185]

🤣

[@mattf5630]

There have been so many rifles manufactured that are chambered in .308 that, whether good or bad, 6.5 has a lot of catching up to do to meet that same volume. It doesn’t seem likely, as most will just stick with what they have, but 6.5 will stick around as a niche caliber.

[@313istheD]

Great channel! If I could make a suggestion, when you are shooting sand I think you should make a series of thinner boxes with sand that totals 8 inches. I’d fill each box with sand then space one inch apart, or so, between each box. This will hopefully give better comparison and results. Finally, I also have a device I’m working on for ballistics tests and when done I’d love to possibly send one for you to consider trying? Hopefully, it’ll be ready in a couple months if all goes well here.

[@darrendoyle2518]

Excellent video and great formatting, not too much narration. Although seemingly negligible and definitely not cost effective, each shot must be in fresh, undisturbed target material. Keep up the great work.

[@psunitro1]

Keep up the great work. I haven't shot in years, but love the content.

[@ryanzanow8221]

Been waiting for your next vid, man! Darn cold here in Wisco…but still waiting on you!😂😉

[@Grooove_e]

Ay fellow Wisconsinite! You must be further north, it's till a toasty 28 degrees here in the Waukesha area

[@ryanzanow8221]

@@Grooove_e yes well, you are living the good life of warm weather! 😂 I am here in Wisconsin Rapids, chilled down to 23!😜 Happy to see another on here that knows how to shoot….maybe even better than banana!😉

[@halfcirclehranch6877]

What were the specs on those rounds? I don't think you mentioned what loads you were using. That first .308 round probably tumbled because you almost went under the wood block. It probably resulted in irregular pressure on the bullet, causing the tumble. I think it's more of a shooter error problem than an issue of the round itself. The way the .308 annihilated the plywood on Test #3, it really should have won Test #3. This was a definite win for .308 in my not so humble opinion.

[@brettkillin4099]

In the video description it is listed as 140 grain fmj for creedmoor and 147 grain fmj for 308

[@halfcirclehranch6877]

@@brettkillin4099 Guess I didn't feel like reading. 🤣🤣🤣

[@Caoimhin777]

He posts it at the beginning around the time he chronographs them

[@Black_0pCar0lina]

You want a bullet to tumble and cause maximum carnage inside the target. These were FMJ, not armor piercing tips.

[@shawnsanders9450]

The weight and type of bullet for the 6.5 is a poor choice. When you choose 6.5 you understand its a necked down .308. That means you drop the weight. Around 100-120gr is what should have been used in 6.5. Being a heavy bullet for caliber means less powder to propell it. 2000fps is horrible for a 6.5.

[@artardFTW]

6.5 cm was literally designed as a long range precision target round. it was meant to hit targets, paper or steel, it will kill, yes. but .308 was designed specifically to kill

[@radiethompson6412]

Awesome video. I appreciate you guys!

[@Karza_357]

You should test 6.5 prc if you can. For me it is what the 6.5 creedmoor should've been. As for the 6.5 cm vs .308 out of a bolt gun i don't thing the 6.5 has enough advantages to justify the increased cost and at long range (800+ meters) you might want to have something more powerful than either of the two. So for me the .308 is the winner.

[@renaissanceman5847]

ammo availability and bullet selection are king and the 308 has it

[@user-wf2pc2lv7t]

The 308 clearly won the brick test which broke the tie anyway but something happened in the wood block as well 308 all the way over the needmore

[@this_side_up]

My dude, compare grain for grain 6.5x55SE and Creedmoor, then do me a solid, compare 6.5-284 Norma, 6.5 PRC, and .264 Win Mag. Comparing the creed vs the prc doesn't matter as they have different but slightly overlapping use cases.

[@BaconSlayer69]

They’re the same price now lol 😂

[@h2recoveryteam2]

Outstanding video. I own 308's and my buddies keep telling me to get a 6.5. I am a NO on that. Love to see a rematch on this some how. The old saying 30 cal brush bucker. Meaning a 30 cal bullet goes through a tree limb or tree trunk and retains more mass than any other bullet. Love to see if you could duplicate or test that some how.

[@williejr71williams22]

Excellent video, brother 👍

[@christophernolen4117]

Great comparison BTW!

[@airborneivan]

This was cool using the same barrel lengths for both catridges. Now, I'd love to see this same thing, but with both catridges running the same or similar velocities. The 6.5 was 7gr lighter and 200 fps slower. Would be cool to see how much of a difference the velocity itself makes.

[@brandonm4913]

I noticed that too. It seems like he picked a hot 308 and a slow 6.5 to compare because those muzzle velocities don’t make any sense.

[@jimbarrett5930]

Since Mr. Winchester reminded us to like, introduction to performing better my vote is for the 308

[@bryandewkett7953]

This was a joy. Thank you!

[@qwason13]

I appreciate all the shared knowledge. Thanks from commy 🇨🇦.

[@FarmAlarm]

I find myself at any given moment saying *ITS TIME TO GRIND* 😂 then my family looks at me like im crazy 🤪

[@joshrandall3632]

If you're just saying that randomly, they might be on to something.😂

[@FarmAlarm]

@@joshrandall3632 😆 🤣

[@ronhu6035]

The cement test was a +25 for .308. it WAY more busted up the wood, than the 6.5CRD.

[@daemoninkubus]

I'm just here for the amazing content. Great video.

[@nateschock99]

The voice is amazing and the content is hilarious and enjoyable. LOVE IT.

[@MarkHaase-vg6is]

The major 2 differences are, bullet drop at distance 500yds+ and recoil of the rifle. Both will do everything the other can do.

[@phillhuddleston9445]

The energy at close distance is greater with the .308 but once you get past around 600 yards or so the energy in the 6.5 is greater. At several hundred yards the advantage goes to the 6.5 due to less bullet drop and less wind deflection but for three hundred yards and in the .308 is a better round so it all depends on what distance you are shooting but either one will work in most cases.

[@MarkHaase-vg6is]

@@phillhuddleston9445 exactly

[@MarkHaase-vg6is]

Either are quite functional

[@jonathancole6124]

@phillhuddleston9445 no it doesn't. The numbers don't account for the 308 having a 30% greater cross section. It delivers energy to a 30% larger footprint. Basic physics, a smaller lighter bullet will never deliver more energy. It's impossible. Recoil can be mitigated.

[@Logan-py8we]

​@@phillhuddleston9445 Fuk the 600 yards argument. Few people can hit the target at that distance. The whole 6.5 argument is preposterous.one big marketing scam.

[@kimhall]

I Shoot the 308 and 6.5 CM, and they're both great cartridges, but the 6.5 was developed for a longer range than the 308. I think you should repeat the test using reinforced concrete and also use hardened steel plates. If you repeat the test using what you used in the first testing, then shoot it from 200 and 300 yards and see how they perform. I'm not sure what range you are testing from, but I'm sure that at 200, 300 and even 500 yards would show their true performance. Just my opinion. By the way, Great Videos!

[@johanneskolenbrander8288]

Exactly 👍

[@bobmonty3920]

🤔so you want him to show the 6 5 getting beat at what they say it was made for ? 308 still gonna win they're close in weight and 308 is faster should in theory travel farther with more energy should.... but yea I would like to see it

[@user-cx2es1ud8t]

100%

[@Kelly-oq9nh]

Shot placement man. This test is bananas

[@peterwolf258]

Very interesting test! Thank you!

[@irafowlerjr.7492]

Really like the .308, enjoy your tests, thanks

[@DevilDST]

308 demolished the 3/4 " plywood and the creedmoor only cracked it severely

[@garygates5679]

GREAT VIDEOS ... !!!! GREAT SIDE BY SIDE ... !!!! THANK YOU FOR THESE VIDEOS ... !!!!

[@NullbYte-gk5jq]

Excellent testing! As a UK veteran I have to go with the .308, just loved my FN/ FAL in 7.62

[@liberalclownshow]

The 6.5 is better for reaching out farther with less bullet drop; that being said the 6.5 shines more at longer distances. The .308 is slightly larger and has a little more energy on target within shorter distances than the 6.5 but that gap is bridged and surpassed at longer distances where the .308 loses energy faster and the 6.5 starts to retain more energy at those longer distances. This test was based more on terminal energy on target within a very short distance for these rds, so I am not surprised that the .308 did slightly better. However, out past say 600 meters the 6.5 starts to shine over the .308 and since both these rds are not considered anti-material rds but rather anti-personnel or more suited for "soft" targets, coupled with the fact that the rds are similar in diameter and ability to create similar wound cavities on a soft target, then it goes without sayingt that the 6.5 would be superior on a soft target if only because of the ability to hit that soft target more reliably and consistently at longer distances. This is the same type of advantage in "repeatable hittability" that we see in a .300 NORMA over a .338 LAPUA at longer distances.

[@renaissanceman5847]

most shooters cant hit anything past 400 meters... 90% of them cant even identify a target out past 600 much less eyeball the distance within 100 meters, they sure as hell cant hit it given a box full of ammo.

[@chaoschaoforever]

6.5 Creedmoor also isn't affected by shorter barrel lengths unlike .308.

[@Logan-py8we]

And how many big game have you taken past 600 yards ????

[@markrobinson9553]

308 winchester because the only reason it did not tie with the 6.5 on the earlier test was because the bullet tumbled due to the fact that you hit the 6x6 wood block at the bottom instead of the middle.

[@wayneg5697]

Damn, you always put work into these vids

[@davidphillips8674]

A longer projectile will usually have better penetration with kinetic energy, all other things being equal. It’s why Armor Piercing Fin Stabilized Discarding Sabot rounds have gotten longer over time, to include telescoping to lengthen the projectile. More mass will push its way through

[@hendriklegrange4696]

An video idea is to use the same caliber with different projectile weight

[@TimberwolfCY]

6.5 shines more at distance; this is true of both the Creedmore and Grendel. The real question would be what either of those rounds do compared to .308 at like 200-300 yards, depending on load, barrel, etc. At that close a distance the rounds are, unsurprisingly, almost identical. That said I still love your video and channel; thanks for your work!

[@jonathancole6124]

Yeah if you are shooting paper

[@BaoNguyen-vi8ni]

@@jonathancole6124 yup!.308 Win provides more kinetic energy at short and intermediate ranges (out to 700 yds?). At distance, the higher retained velocity of the more modern 6.5mm bullets a have higher kinetic energy.

[@jonathancole6124]

@BaoNguyen-vi8ni wrong! It's physics dude!! There are a lot of new high BC bullets giving the need more a run for it's money further out, however a .308 hole is nearly 30% larger. Far more effective inblood letting. Not to mention a 168gr vs 147gr which are the typical match loads. You are simply wrong.

[@tzsniper]

@@jonathancole6124is that what i said? Weight and velocity. 🤣🤣

[@NelsonZAPTM]

...and 308 has tracer, marker and AP projectiles...

[@toddparsons2980]

Informative and entertaining. Thanks

[@commentingisdangerous7530]

thorough, informative, and entertaining. you go my subscription. i know it can depend on the rifle you are using, but which one had more recoil? what is the average pricing for each one? those two things can make a difference for some people. how do they handle at medium and far range?

[@tonycorgliano6905]

Sadly both cartridges are far superior then the average shooters ability. I spend much time in our local gun shop and I hear some real BS..I use a 308 because I have for decades. Also I live off grid in Alaska and hunt with a marlin guide 45/70 for meat.

[@frankmosses9121]

I have to take into consideration availability and cost ...... so.......308 in my humble opinion.

[@christucci4064]

Nice, I clicked your video, and a Midway USA ad popped. I let the whole thing run, then clicked shop now, just in case you get a buck or two more. Besides, I need a new Lee case trimmer. Thanks for these videos.

[@romchik07]

Great channel Banana…subscribed! From everything I’ve seen shooting both cartridges is the 6.5 Creedmoor’s only advantage ballistically speaking over 308 is range. I cannot hit my steel plate at 1760 yards with my 308 but i can pretty much hit steel every time at the same distance with my 6.5 creedmoor(calm wind day). 308 is still good out to 1-1.2k yards but needs more wind correction at distance. Everything else 308 wins(in my book).

[@Lucas12v]

6.5 has less wind deflection at any range and more energy beyond 500. Less recoil too. 308's only advantage is short range energy and barrel life. Both good cartridges.

[@scottcrawford3745]

Try a Sierra 155gr Palma bullet [BC of .504], or their new 169gr BTHP-M [BC of .527] Much higher ballistic coefficients with the new designs. Hornady ELD-M 155 gr [BC of .461] is slick, too. Also Berger makes a 155.5gr Fullbore [BC of .473] and a 168 VLD [BC of .473] or the Hybrid [BC of .478] that again, have very slippery coefficients. At longer ranges the better coefficients combined with that little bit of extra mass makes them pretty close to most 6.5 equivalents, except if you're shooting those super-fast twist 150gr 6.5mm that look like needles. Shooting comparatively heavy-for-calibre bullets for target will give better exterior ballistics, especially out at longer ranges of 800 yards and more.

[@thatoneguy454c]

It would be interesting to see it done at distance. By distance I mean like 300, 500, and 700 yards.

[@TTime685]

Do you realize the precision that would take? Lol.. 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@drewp4743]

​@TTime685 those ranges are not difficult.

[@TTime685]

@@drewp4743 Maybe not too difficult to simply hit, but to get 2 or 4 evenly spaced hits on a piece of 6x8 lumber/target would definitely be. He would waste too many materials attempting. Use your brain

[@DAM9427]

Love this vid, them you said wear ear pro and i felt that. Got a like and sub for that

[@clemwalton4767]

94.8 k subs that was fast. Nice work my friend nice work indeed

[@ryanmoore7098]

Your voice… Is AMAZING! 😂 please tell me you make gun related commercials.

[@stephenparchewski1998]

Everyone knows the .308 is a way better cartridge. Anyone who says the 6.5 CM is better is just suffering from buyers remorse…

[@Rangergeo85]

And it's way cheaper and don't even get me started on availability in ammo shortages

[@chrisduncan440]

I get 6.5cm ammo cheaper than 308.

[@patriotwarrior_556]

​@@chrisduncan440how

[@HWG-wm8ld]

The type of guys that want to be asked what they are shooting. They then give some long winded speech about ballistics and ultimately saying it shoots flatter. I’ll stop using 9mm, 223 and 308 when they stop making it.

[@Grooove_e]

I personally think they're pretty on par with eachother. They both have their pros and cons. You can't go wrong with either one.

[@cannonballer6847]

I like Banana Ballistics videos because they're entertaining to watch. BUT, the .308 vs 6.5 CM debate was settled a few years back by ballistics experts and expert long range rifle shots: The .308 delivers massive energy from the muzzle out to 700-800 yards, and you would think that because its the wider bullet and heavier by 7 grains that it would deliver more of a wallop within its ideal range, but you would be wrong. The skinnier 6.5 CM happens to have a greater ballistic coefficiency than the 7.62 (.308) because of its slightly skinnier profile and shape, so it delivers the same wallop at 1,200 yards that the .308 does at 800 yards. I have a high-end sniper rifle in 6.5 CM with a 16 inch bull barrel that will deliver the same energy at 1,000 yards that my Springfield M1A Socom 16 delivers at 700 yards. If I could only choose one rifle for an end of the world SHTF scenario I would choose the Socom 16 ONLY because I would probably be more likely to find .308 ammo just about anywhere, compared to 6.5 CM, which has slightly superior ballistics, but is hard to find.

[@longrangeprecisionshooters8935]

Great content!

[@edwardromanada8650]

I'd say the 308 won because of the damage caused to thr plywood on the concrete test.

[@steviegene4006]

.308 wins!!

[@jameskozlowski5496]

Barriers is bullet construction specific not necessarily cartridge specific. Anytime we shoot through barriers to eliminate a target we use bonded bullets.

[@harrygrimley4352]

So... Second video i have watched of yours. Thanks for sharing this with us. What would you say is the diff. Between the grendle and the creed?

[@randallbollinger1449]

A third shot from the 308, closer to the center, would have confirmed one of the other shots and would have confirmed a winner or a tie for the first round. It would have also confirmed the 308 the winner overall 😬😆

[@sirsancti5504]

IF.

[@randallbollinger1449]

@@sirsancti5504 you are dismissed troll

[@sirsancti5504]

@@randallbollinger1449 you are potato.

[@Caoimhin777]

Why was the Creedmoor so much slower? Isn’t it based on the same case & capable of the same powder capacity?

[@armyreservist0]

Heavier bullet?

[@airborneivan]

Barrel length. 308 is optimized for a 20" barrel where 6.5 is usually 24". I commented above about doing this test again, but getting velocities between both catridges to match up. I want to see how much the velocities plays a factor.

[@Pete856]

You have to look at the cross-section density of both rounds. The 308 wasn't much heavier but has a lot more surface area to push on compared to the 6.5 so it was faster. However, the 308 would also slow down a lot faster too for the same reason.

[@Caoimhin777]

@@airborneivan Yep that’s exactly what I was curious about as well. At the same weight & velocity, I would assume the 6.5 would perform better, but that’s still TBD.

[@HWG-wm8ld]

All nonsense about barrel length. Watch Texas plinking monthly 1000 yd challenge. Dude nailed it with 6.5 AR with 14.5 barrel. It’s the shooter

[@allanarndt3047]

When shooting into the box filled with sand is the sand replaced for each test or is it possible you might hit previous bullets that did not exit the box full of sand? If there are bullets left in that box they could drastically affect bullet penetration of the later bullets if struck by a test bullet?

[@chandlergardner8627]

.308 ammo cost, availability, all the different recipes for reloading. And it has been trusted by the military for decades. I would like seeing some PRC tests. But good video, and love Midway

[@Techcensorshipbot]

I've noticed on the sand test that you dont usually get rounds passing through fully. So if there was some way you could shoot sand and then review how far each round got that may be more helpful! maybe like a bunch of little boxes of sand in a larger box. Not sure, probably doable though! Might change the results by getting something other than a draw.

[@fabioberetz]

I was thinking the same. You could put a sheet of paper every inch, so you could check the penetration

[@TTime685]

I was literally gonna comment the same thing.. He needs to make the sandbox smaller or something to give certain rounds a chance to make it through

[@juhanivalimaki5418]

Easiest is to test sandboxes of different depths.

[@mattpahl1281]

I'm from Wisconsin and my neighbor made a poor shot on a monster buck. A guy came with some dogs to try and retrieve it. I asked him what caliber gun does he have to track for the most and he said 6.5 creedmoore. Now I know there are variables and he probably doesn't always ask but I found that interesting that he answered so quickly

[@whiskeyactual.]

Anecdotal at the very least. At best it shows people in your region shoot more 6.5cm than anything else, including inexperienced shooters and hunters. Or most likely, and logically - poor shooters w/6.5cm in this area happen to call the same tracker.

[@sinenomine4540]

shot placement > caliber

[@chadblodgett8634]

​@Soprano313 6.5CM Being currently among the most popular chamberings for youth hunting rifles, and is often marketed as a low recoil option for kids, inexperienced shooters certainly could be the reason for needing tracking assistance. Now if he lived in a state where the largest big game wasn't Whitetail and Blackbear, and the tracker was called out for a ton of Elk and Browns one may say it's more than just popularity and inexperienced shooters causing the issue.

[@billbertagnoli4226]

"He made a poor shot". Pretty much tells the story. Poor shots equal wounded game. Don't blame the Cartridge regardless of caliber.

[@OutyMan]

I was just reading an old post on reddit where a guy was showing photos of a coyote that he downed between the eyes with a .177 air rifle.

[@gregharbican7189]

Consider that if both are the same weight, fired at the same velocity, and have similar projectile construction, the winner in most areas, will be the one with the higher Sectional Density…simple physics. The 6.5 CM, started off at a disadvantage by being slower and slightly lower weight, so it is understandable that it performed a little worse in the steel test. Bring the average velocity of the 6.5 CM up to within ~25fps of the 308 W ( instead of over 350 fps difference ) and retest…then tell us which performs better.

[@timlittlejohn6159]

Great review

[@topsoutdooradventures]

Bad call on the concrete test. The .308Win had a lot better effects on the plywood after the concrete destruction. Unless you are biased, the 6.5 Needmore definitely "needs more". Great video.

[@concreteandgrading]

Great point

[@tyronekim3506]

That was a good comparisons test. The 308Win had a spectacular destruction on the concrete bock and the plywood. My vote goes to the 308Win. By the way, you have an amazing speaking voice. Are you also a baritone or a bass singer?

[@littlerookie8947]

im new to guns and riffles and i really appreciate this channel for these test its really fun..lol and funny/Hilarious/Hysterical

[@jkline398]

Good thing I have 6.5 on my 1200yd tack driver and 308 on my little scout, thanks for confirming the setup. You know, because at 1k yards you have time to sink a few in

[@jimdandy3823]

i get the feeling you're giving 6.5 more credit than it's due.

[@davidh9659]

To be fair, the test would likely look different at extended range ... But also people have this strange notion in their head that the 6.5 creed is some highly efficient engineering miracle...when technically the cartridge is not any smaller, and uses similar amounts of powder.

[@jonathancole6124]

@davidh9659 bullets are 30% smaller and much lighter. Impossible to deliver more energy.

[@davidh9659]

​@@jonathancole6124 Well, the .45ACP is more than twice as big in cross sectional area as the .308Win and also typically 10-30%-ish heavier. There's really no debate though which will shred your target more and deliver like seven times more energy...

[@danh3718]

The 6.5 is still an impressive little cartridge.

[@richarddelvecchiojr542]

What brand is your brass catcher. Great video.

[@BRAINWASHDrider1]

Man never watched this channel before and holy hell you need to be in radio or podcasting. I didnt know they made vocal chords like that anymore 😅

[@212caboose]

.308. The CM is simply a cartridge made for competition shooting. Sure, you can use it for other stuff. Obviously. But it was DESIGNED for competition shooting. .308 (well- the 7.62x51 anyway) was designed for warfighting. It's going to do a lot of things well.

[@kpperry784]

Actually USSOCOM has officially adoped the 6.5 Creedmoor as a warfighting round, and has even awarded Geiselle a 29Million dollar contract to provide a gas gun in 6.5 Creedmoor for it.