$600k Offer From China; Dealing with Rekkles - Reflections with Youngbuck 2/2 - League of Legends

[@user-lk4lx9je4y]

I think a lot of people waited eagerly for this interview for about 1,5 years now. Every time Thorin talked about Rekkles or Fnatic, he always sneaked a little compliment towards Youngbuck in his rant or explanation. Thorin has been teasing this interview for about 2 years now and I am so happy that this interview is exactly what I hoped it would be. Even now Youngbuck clearly hasn't told us everything (he is still active in the scene so he clearly remains professional and doesn't spill things he shouldn't be talking about), but it is enough for us to understand what Thorin has been talking about the last couple of years.

[@pierce_grossman]

Well now I can't wait to listen : D

[@paniedziku3132]

What exactly was he saying by last couple of years? I am new here ;c

[@pierce_grossman]

@@paniedziku3132 I only remember something to the effect of: "Rekkles is a diva" or "he drove Youngbuck out of Fnatic".

[@Oaserf]

Youngbuck is such a smart, humble and knowledgeable guy. Really enjoyed listening to this podcast!

[@Eckilisk]

Youngbuck introducing the crazy-hot-scale to professional league of legends. . . I appreciate that.

[@pureraww]

Loved the interview! Overall I enjoy all Thorin's content and show-persona but I absolute love him as an interviewer. Would actually love to see him interview Rekkless and go deep like he does in his interviews, ask him about his issues, Uzi etc but unfortunately that will probably never happen

[@Arizzo97]

1 can only hope once he retires they will find a way to arrange an interview. Would be so interesting to hear him talk to one of his biggest critics. But to me it wouldnt feel awkward because Thorin is so damn good at his craft

[@mxgoh1997]

Well the boss hearted your comment, so mabey that will happen?

[@nguyentri3608]

A total of 3 hours interview with youngbuck, nice

[@RatWithaTool]

Loved this dude ever since I first saw him in Copenhagen Wolves. So much respect for him and such a tragedy that he doesn't get the recognition he deserves, which mostly comes from people who don't know the full picture. Mad props to Thorin for shining a light on his work! Best of luck to Youngbuck, keep on kicking ass!

[@raagoth8357]

Youngbuck's reputation is truly one of the tragedies of EU LCS/LEC. This man deserves so much better than he's gotten over the years. It's sad how public perception has had such a profound influence over his perceived ability as a coach, limiting his offers so extremely.

[@Thooorin]

It's TSM and FNATIC fan business as usual. If you leave and you ever say anything critical then you were trash, never good and carried by Bjerg/Rekkles.

[@ssenkrad67]

Ye it sucks. Hopefully he will get a good team again in the future with those videos that helps his immage.

[@pwnedurmum69]

@@Thooorin But shouldn't Orgs have the inside scoops? How much can be blamed on Fans for people who are responsible not actually doing their due diligence in talent scouting

[@leoleandro2605]

Well, I mean, when he won he had Perkz at his prime, and then Caps/Rekkles smurfing, now with Exel he can't make play-offs, and even wanted Dan in his team, and easly Dan could be the worst jungle in LEC. So i don't know what his role on those teams was, but the Exel proyect is failing hard and him didn't change the things.

[@chervenkov1997]

@@leoleandro2605 Bro Excel failing hard? You are part of the problem honestly

[@wormss]

Young buck's emotionality is so intense and his interaction with Thorin's style is kind of hilarious as every question pumps his body full of more emotion. Epic interview!

[@lektornese]

Youngbuck saying a player "tilted in a way I have never seen before" really shows how bad the team environment must have been given how eloquent and mellow his tone is on topics that are serious in general

[@quentinavanzi9559]

Now we have the answer, Youngbuck is the main reason Fnatic went to world final, and the main reason they lost it.

[@Arizzo97]

Really enjoyed sitting through both parts of the interview in one session. I still dont know how Youngbuck gets so underrated by everyone, fans, teams, maybe even some analysts. Was really interesting to listen to his views from Forgiven, to the G2 last hoorah in 2017, to his issues with Rekkles, and his falling off with Sam Mathews and Fnatic. Great job as always to Thorin for being able to bring up so much in people in these longform style interviews. Hope one day we will see that Reflections with Rekkles interview.

[@MestoLV]

Man that was great, thank you very much Thorin for the interview. And thank you Joey for your franc-parler.

[@Camthugger]

First reflections video I’ve ever seen and after hearing about all the fnatic behind the scenes mess during youngbucks reign, to actually sit and think that he couldn’t win lcs w the resources in NA is crazy. Wish him all well he deserves the absolute best.

[@thomaswelsh1713]

Just wanna say how dope it is that Thorin says goodbye to his guests in their native language. Man really puts in that extra effort.

[@CoachFykling]

So happy we have a man of the people who is able to provide us with these kinds of interviews!

[@Arlae_Nova]

Legit one of the best coaches in the west, if not THE best.

[@geoffroyakotia4268]

This was a great interview. I'm happy to have learn more about Youngbuck and his time in the esports world. I wish all the best for him in the future!

[@TheAlmightyDES]

Some artfully smooth redirects to unanswered questions and wondering focuses. Great interviewer, great interviewee.

[@nouramine171]

52:20 Younbuck talks about a player tilting regarding the Garen yuumi pick vs FPX, go back to the voicecomms and you can hear Rekkles saying "let's just never draft something like that again, it was fun until it wasn't anymore". Here's the direct link to that specific moment kzbin.info/www/bejne/m2LWm32ogbareK8&ab_channel=FNATIC

[@borisgrigorov3603]

Looking at it now, he's totally still carrying a looot of anger and frustration in him, judging by his tone and body language. Even Hily trying to de-escalate the pressure by reassuring him and confirming they were not gonna play the comp again, saying they played like shit (unless someone else said that in particular). That's obviously speculation, but there's some very good evidence to suggest that it was him. Good find.

[@romeeees]

Youngbucks dad seems like a guy with great empathy and life knowledge. wouldnt be surprised if hes a psychologist, but some people just have that intuitively, great gift.

[@colinmcbottle]

Knowing the Fnatic comms of that TES series, we all probably know that the player that tilted off the face of the earth referred to in 52:00 was Rekkles, telling the rest of the team "not to disrespect FPX because they think they are """"bad"""", and shitting on bwipo for the Rengar pick saying "its all fun with these picks until it stops being fun"

[@Aarin999]

Fuck you are right. I rewatched it he was quiet first game when it was lost and critised draft at the start of second. I was so confident it was Nemesis but it has to be Rekkles based of voicecomms

[@tgrabbit8940]

Rekkles tilts really easily, even in soloq. He gets really passive aggressive.

[@MsMollieh]

How are you so sure he talked about the Rengar pick, but not about Garen-Yuumi?

[@colinmcbottle]

@@Aarin999 Yeah only thing Nemesis would be involved in this particular case, is the first comment "dont disrespect FPX because you think they are bad". But it wasn't aimed at anybody directly when Rekkles said it, but we know that Nemesis atleast thought that DoinB's way of playing the game was not good and was not a good laner.

[@tgrabbit8940]

@@MsMollieh It changes nothing, regardless of the pick. Tilting, not keeping your head clear, losing trust in the team/coach is NEVER wanted or advantageous in a team game, during a series, no less.

[@karlloovali4531]

Breaks my heart to see this man not getting the offers he deserves. I hope he is happy in Excel at least.

[@matthewnaylor7464]

3 hours of podcast crammed with interesting stuff, nice one Thorin

[@grone1778]

Amazing interview. Good questions and a really open YoungBuck. Thank you, Thorin.

[@knightofrohan]

What a fantastic interview! Thorin's interviews tend to be substantive and insightful so credit to him. The interviewee obviously plays a part in that as well and Youngbuck comes off as straightforward, articulate and likeable; a fantastic combination for an interviewee. Quite surprising that he didn't get many offers. From his description of how he studied the game and how he was able to stall Fnatic's downward spiral, I would think he would be a good choice for any team. I hope he gets his chance to fix the narrative and overperform with a team that is perceived as weaker.

[@mikaelwallentin..]

Honestly bringing buck Youngbuck might be what FNC needs

[@XxILikePie03]

good hearing a long interview w/ YoungBuck.

[@wowJhil]

Thanks a lot for this interview, and to Youngbuck for being as open he can about everything that has happened so far. Only since his FNC days but still I have respected him since then. I see him as someone much more involved and contributing to a teams success then many others coaches we see nowadays in other teams. This interview was really interesting. I had no idea for example of him being interested in both Lider and MagiFelix already back then, although MagiFelix was indeed around for a while! And I was impressed with Excel's climb in LEC, even though people pointed out that the way they drafted and won games was only going to get them that far and no further. That it would be thanks to meta and when facing "easier" teams. But I think Excel was underestimated. Patrik for example really smurfed it, and I didn't feel like the old Excel that was overly scared. Anyway, I hope for the best. I want LEC to be a blood bath :D

[@Creamouz]

really sick reflections, looking forward to the next one

[@mw2nubcake]

You structured this two part interview so God damn well. I have to say though, wasn't youngbuck about to reveal his salary numbers at the end of part one and he didn't reveal at the start of this one hmmm

[@Quakez0r]

Very informative, have a good one boys.

[@aquaflash_8183]

6 Star general for a reason

[@kevinlee4415]

Goddamn, this is a banger interview. Probably had some of the greatest insights from a top-level coach who's been to Worlds multiple times because he's more free to talk about it now that he's not on those rosters. Thank you for the great content!

[@Draexor]

In the recent years we've had more recognition for some of the coaches in esports, but I think this interview sums up the fact that some of them don't get nearly as much merit as they should. Even though I enjoy most of your content I must say my favorite is by far "Reflections". I think your skills as an in-depth interviewer are unmatched in the whole esports scene.

[@forcommentpurposes]

oh it makes sense, thats why rekkles said he needs to improve has a person. (lec interview G2) He will become 25 this year and things become so much clear around this age ( maturity).

[@jamescalder5115]

Yeah and I think a lot of the problem if he stayed on Fnatic would be the amount of pressure on him which would limit his ability to grow.

[@MrLowbob]

im not a huge fan of thorin, but damn these interviews are really really good, thanks for these gems.

[@wuzza4812]

Really nice interview, enjoyable points of discussion! Would be cool with a reflections video with Yamatocannon!

[@Halfhand]

That ending haha! Great reflections episode.

[@Runningitsendingit]

I wonder who YB is referring to at 52.58, the player who tilts off the face of the earth against FPX. I’m wondering is the same person he referenced at roughly 44.00 who tilted like mad after going up 2-0 vs G2, then got reverse swept. It has to be Rekkles right?

[@jamescalder5115]

It could be either Rekkles or Nemesis... both are known for tilting really badly.

[@nonfaktor5215]

great episode of refelections - greetings from Germany

[@roderikverbeek]

Great Interview and insights!

[@SvenS44]

Fantastic interview.

[@MegaAlexWar]

Can someone please give a brief explanation what made Younbuck feel like a fool and what did CEO of fnatic blunder. And why does the question "what is going on in the team" make him fool.

[@itachisusanoo3689]

wow this was super insightful!

[@vekinijebitno]

i dont like drama: me when drama occurs: 10:21

[@seoexperimentations6933]

HERE WE GO!

[@BeeTB1]

Very good interview

[@ThereImade1]

Great interview!

[@noon8681]

Insightful video, good shit

[@Spluush]

I think the fact that a lot of players that formerly worked with youngbuck aren't on good terms with him says a lot.

[@tobiasfoch2277]

It must sting a little for the XL players hearing this. Youngbuck should have said something along the lines of: I know we might not have top 4 players but I know that together we can be a top 4 team.

[@koreanata6951]

YoungBuck is sooooo clever. He should be a caster. Some other clowns like Vedi that can't see beyond obvious plays are casting and influencing the kids that watch that Hyli and Bwipo are bad while you can see what the real reason is behind them looking like inters. They should have teammates to follow their engages otherwise they look like inters, which the LEC casters proclaim all the time.

[@living_by_watching_old_vods]

thorin : i hate rekkles...now give me more reasons

[@jamescalder5115]

He doesn’t hate Rekkles... just fanboys who literally refuse to acknowledge any of his flaws. Almost everything he has said about Rekkles (The isolation, the perfectionist, the difficult mentality...) have all been addressed by Rekkles himself.

[@sleven8013]

Worlds 2018 had just an insane amount of "what if"s

[@DerPsychoPanda]

Fuck im dumb, who is the guy Ocelote didn't want to keep?

[@yungswagdaddy5359]

I'm wondering the same damn thing

[@sjoerddz]

damn, this episode was good

[@misssqz]

7:39 exactly why caps is the best player EU ever had

[@Aarin999]

Time for some awesome content

[@pawerysiejko2058]

I'd like to hear why he dumped Czekolad over Nukeduck

[@ruimouzinho]

Nice guest 👍🏻

[@lilclouty]

It there a "Like", "Right" count. He must've said those words 300 times

[@loicpauwels3784]

52:10 Who is the player who tilts? Does anyone have any idea?

[@Aarin999]

Has to be either Rekkles or Nemesis. But when he said it was next level of tilt I would say it was Nemesis.

[@Aarin999]

Check the fpx fnc voicecomms. It was Rekkles 100%

[@colinmcbottle]

Rekkles for sure. On one hand he was somewhat displeased with still staying on Garen duty (as said by YoungBuck, they had 2 plans, either give the other team Renekton FP and pick something they valued more/neutered it, or just go Garen/Yuumi), and on the other while he was on Garen duty, Bwipo went full Bwipo with the Rengar top pick, which actually did what it was intended to do in lane, smash it, but he failed really hard into bleeding that lead on the rest of the map and later on Rengar just gets obliterated if the other team is constantly grouping up. Besides draft, he also didn't like that some of his teammates probably thought FPX was bad. Whose blame was it we dont factually know because Rekkles doesnt name anybody in the comms, but we do know that Nemesis thought DoinB wasnt really good as a laner, and generally his roaming style is the antithesis of Nemesis stands for as a midlaner.

[@loicpauwels3784]

@@Aarin999 i just wachted the voicecomms, you are right, it was rekkles indeed.

[@IncredibleLyrics]

Tilted one time.

[@wrupnick]

Amazing content.

[@coybackus7665]

NA needs Youngbuck

[@iamcrazypeople6961]

Rekkle is famous in China since last year world champiom. search McDonalds deliver Rekkle but 600K, i dont believe , this is too much. Rekkle is welcome in China but no that much

[@ssoboguh]

Oke TSM, after all these years having problems with coaches (maybe still have, because bjerg being rookie coach is a big risk). You dont bring in Youngbuck while this guy is available?!

[@youtuberson]

What a level-headed, reasonable and logically thinking man Youngbuck is. Why is he working in League of Legends?

[@onceuponatime9499]

They weren't on speaking terms? Didn't they play duo still were they just silent and playing duo?

[@yussefhazem5637]

All I got was that pro players and divas and drama queens

[@znojnyj]

Kinda looks on thumbnail like he holds a baseball bat

[@maxedoutbeing3239]

600k offer from china??? Time stamp

[@prematurebean7147]

Yes please

[@frazsmurf3763]

when does he talk about the 600k offer

[@borisgrigorov3603]

In the penultimate (second to last) segment - 1:18:39

[@feliperojas6978]

damn, didnt knew that LIDER could play in fnatic. That year was the assassin's year, he could had achieved a lot back then

[@stefanmandic4438]

I remember watching fnatic coms after FPX bo5 and that loss with Garen yumi. Rekkles looked really angry and said something like lets never play this again Joey said that someone was hella pissed so it must be Rekkles, right? It probably means that rumours about Rekkles and Joey not working well together were true so i assume it is Martin who wanted Joey out with ultimatum. Rekkles is probably that type of guy that is not satisfied if his team is wining while him being weak. Joey succeded to tell nothing but accutaly said so much.

[@MrLowbob]

that intro

[@Jaunekoz]

0:56 who is it?

[@jakobsrensen1684]

Perkz

[@souleyyyy]

probably Trick, makes sense within that time, looking at how he probably wanted to leave because he got the LCK offer from bbq

[@fspbanana1]

Perkz was basically G2 manager getting players into his team and being a leader and got fucked in the end.

[@AL73250]

Kikis, Trick, or Hjarnen + Wadid (I remember there being some salt between them). Perkz cant be it for 2 reason: First being that he left because he didnt wanna play ADC and knew it wouldnt be right to demand mid from Caps after inviting him to G2 to play midlane. Second, Youngbuck said he had Carlos doing this once before on his mind as he made his decision to leave G2, which, being in 2017 actually only leaves Kikis.

[@edenhazard1758]

51:56

[@znojnyj]

Instantly respect YB more that I know he's dutch as opposed to German 🇩🇪🐹

[@OMAR-vk9pi]

Yangbuck

[@jannes6074]

Pls come back to fnatic and fix this @youngbuck

[@theboyfromnowhere4300]

@@sebastianwolf4170 I'm pretty sure he could do nothing to fix it coz the problem was Rekkles. I really like Rekkles, he's literally my favorite player, but we all know how his personalities is and YB talked a lot about it in this video. A personalities like that can be a really big problem for a team atmosphere. Plus the fact that even come to "YB or Rekkles" really says a lot about it. Honestly right now would be the perfect time for him to comeback. Just for the fact that at time for FNC it was "YB or Rekkles" and now Rekkles is gone so I'm really curious how he would handle things. In another interview YB even said that he think Bwipo is anything else more then a toplaner, back then he told FNC to put Bwipo in jung (or mid) and now Bwipo gonna be FNC new jung too. Honestly I can't even blame the org that much, is not easy to kick your star player and face of the org (I'm talking about Rekkles). Btw I think Selfmade is the one that wanted to leave, not FNC kicking him. I mean, he was the one that didn't want to resign not FNC.

[@yungclout9413]

so fnc could have got lider twice, 2019 spring and 2021 spring and now hes gonna join vit and shit on every average mid in lec. prime dardo

[@Evlet]

First

[@Adrian-fo4kv]

Unblock me on twitter

[@jakobsrensen1684]

No keep him blocked

[@nguyentri3608]

Deranged

[@Adrian-fo4kv]

@@jakobsrensen1684 :(

[@MauriceGucci]

Unfortunately I don’t have the time to watch the entire thing, so the timestamps are GREATLY appreciated. Thanks for the banger content, Thorin! :)

[@MauriceGucci]

Those are some banger stories, great guest!

[@MauriceGucci]

Youngbuck will have a very tough road ahead with XL next split. G2, MAD, RGE, FNC, VIT look to me like the clear top 5 rn (although it is still very speculative of course). XL will essentially have to battle with all the other teams for the 6th spot, which seems very difficult to me. Summer 21 might be another missed playoffs for Youngbuck and another building block to the “he got carried by Perkz and Caps” narrative. Really wish him the best tho, he seems very nice and competent (albeit this might just be the bias I have after watching too much Thorin)

[@jamescalder5115]

Obviously every team needs good players 🤷‍♂️ like this idea of “Oh he got carried” is so dumb... you need good players as a coach.