Electronic Drums For Venues ($1500-$9300)

[@TheBiggerNoise]

Completely agree on the no DIY. I sold my DIY bits and got a VAD-507. It’s really hard to overstate how much less fiddling I have to do. I sit down, play, and everything just works.

[@heloyou2b]

You guys just killed my dream 😢😢

[@boinknook]

​@heloyou2b I did a diy on a 6 piece ludwig evolution with an alesis pro module and absolutely love it! I trashed my old dm 10 and got the ludwig and I get the same performance! You still can live your dream!

[@360.Tapestry]

@@heloyou2b you can still do a personal project for a hobby or self-edification. lots of people have plenty of success. just don't do it for a professional venue that requires equipment that performs reliably and can't afford downtime

[@matenorth]

​​@@heloyou2bI have a diy e kit with converted low volume cymbals and it's the best an e kit can be. If you know what you are doing, it will be top notch. If you buy a cheap 3d printer, you are set.

[@vbarsoteli]

I'm building my drums for the last ~3 months, it's a challenge for sure, living in apartment, I'm using aliexpress cheap cymbals covered with rubber, some kind of floor foam or eva... on tests right now, there's some videos on my channel already

[@jacobandrewclark]

Great idea for a video that I haven’t seen before! I just bought a TD-27KV2 for my church because in consultation with my drummers the better triggering of the digital pads was a requirement, but we couldn’t spring for the VAD stuff even with the sales in December. Going to install it next week when our Christmas set gets torn down. We’re moving up from a TD-12 that has a display that’s barely readable so it was time.

[@boinknook]

My favorite kit is that blue sonor with the Roland. 😊

[@66meikou]

I just bought another eFnote 3x as I gave my son the previous one I bought as an xmas present. I'm not bothered about the sounds on the module as I have a macbook pro to run drum software. As far as mentioning DWe kits, Have you seen the price of them? It's like buying a car! I would have bought the Yamaha but it was too much dosh for what I get compared to the efnote. BTW, If anyone is interested in a dtxtreme II kit with all the bells and whistles for $1500 plus shipping let me know. This kit is expanded and modernised, Plus a load of rack hardware, a spare Yam 500 module for extra inputs.

[@65Drums]

wow that's a really nice present!

[@asacrusoe8760]

If I was a venue owner there’s no way I would have an E kit as the house kit. That’s a recipe for a disaster. It would get destroyed. I guess it would depend on the venue, maybe at an old folks home on bingo night or something. This was an informative video though. Cheers

[@OmriNetzerDrums]

What about the Millenium MPS - 1000? A great drumset!

[@mykull01]

I'd love to see a video on all of Aroma's electronic drumsets as I encounter them alot when searching for budget kits

[@reubenk7331]

This is a very good comprehensive video, that I think everyone buying a kit in this situation needs to see!

[@pdubbs1977]

Well, I have watched what seems like 4 million hours on Justin's channel and I have built a few DIY kits. Our house kit is a conversion that I built. We were struggling with the smacking sound from the cymbals/ yes they were metal e-cymbals. I battled back and forth with throwing down for another set of rubber e-cymbals or The "low volume" cymbal option. I finally decided on going for the Wuhan low volume cymbals. I figured for the price I would give it a try. I spent some time on strategic placement for the mics on them. About 5 minutes in total. lol. We have discovered this option works really well for us. My drummers love it and our congregation has complimented the change several times. I realize this may be an outlier, but for $200 for the Wuhan cymbals I couldn't be happier with the result. It may help to note that we use the Pearl mimic Pro for a module.

[@miker5233]

I have roland modules from 20-plus years ago and they still work roland is the way to go

[@laptoples]

@65Drums Seeing if you went to NAMM this year. Always wait for your videos to drop !!! Hope all is well with you. :-)

[@Titanium_drummer]

cool vid!! your stuff helps me so much! keep it up

[@65Drums]

thanks man!

[@LittleDrummerChannel]

Great video Justin and some sweet comparisons! Wishing you and yours the best in 2024 brother!

[@ekkon3100]

3:28 this is the German band "Versengold" I saw them 2 weeks ago

[@johndef5075]

Great advice as usual.

[@darthbishop4543]

Would really like to hear your thoughts on the Millenium MPS 1000. Seems to be getting some decent reviews and a great price point.

[@davidmorad4405]

Costco has the Roland VAD-506C for $4600. Includes bass pedal hi-hat stand, and snare stand plus a few other extras. Is this the same set as the VAD-507?

[@Edrumcenter]

VAD506C is a Costco only kit that Roland only sells to them and not music stores. Which obviously makes it confusing for the consumer. It just a VAD506 with some DW hardware. The VAD507 has the much better VH14D digital hi hat and heavier duty cymbal stands for not much more. If you're looking at a VAD507 hit us up and be sure to use the coupon Justin gives you at the beginning of the video.

[@hdfloyd]

Hey great stuff sir. I got the Roland VAD 506 for home and one at my church AWESOME!

[@65Drums]

Great to hear!

[@OffGridandOutdoors]

How we solve the low volume / plastic hit issue on stage. We have a small 125 person space and use a Roland set (TD 50x - TD-50k2). We have always used a spare house speaker behind the drums on its own Aux mix from the board. Solves the plastic hit sound problem. Sounds like the house.

[@65Drums]

That's a good point

[@DustinRadtke]

100%. A live monitor that is anywhere by the drums to create some stage noise is the answer. We do it all the time in small bars.

[@ernstpeterlegrand]

Nice video. Of course a lot of Roland. But first time I see you mention so much Efnote. Happy to see that as a 3x owner.

[@johnpietrolaj8917]

Awesome breakdown! Thanks!

[@jchope777]

Awesome info, thanks!

[@davidcenteau-depina6192]

I wish clubs that want live bands would quit worrying about the volume. If you are worried about it, then stop having live bands. We drummers suffer for it.

[@mecdrum7]

That’s arrogance to me my band members always are distracted by my cymbals on stage control of sound is all our problems . Crowd and band. Even just the piped music is louder than the band. There’s meters that can define what the bar pipes and band plays. I’ve been on 300 stages big 3000 is of course louder but they can do better with more speakers and smaller less loud. Playing with feelings takes years of practice dynamics control is also years of practice. I teach pp to ff doing loud all the time connection with crowds most important. Get some lessons

[@gabe_irl]

"Big brain Idea" 😂😂😂

[@Slavetskiy]

Hey, hey! But where is Alesis Strike pro SE?!

[@65Drums]

I explained at 4:14 that I don't recommend budget brands as venue house kits. When it comes to live use specifically, Japanese companies are just trusted more by most professionals in the industry

[@PlaneTrotter]

and yet alesis kits are sold like pancakes at every US music store@@65Drums

[@shiningarmor2838]

If your space is big enough to need a house kit, is an electronic set really the instrument you want?

[@johnperry8824]

Hey Justin. If you haven’t already can you do a review of the Lemon T 950 set? Thanks, John

[@1Samuel1524]

2:40 what's that bald man doing?

[@65Drums]

You have to be bald to fully comprehend what he's doing

[@EricBanks1978]

Never even thought of a venue being to small for e drums but it makes perfect sense! Do you know if there is something you can do with the Roland vad 507 on love situation like the enote pro has like that stage box? I’m wanting more than my stereo left and right and 2 direct outs but I’m using mac book pro with edrummer 3 I don’t know if there’s an audio interface you can use or what the options are I’m clueless about that kind of stuff. If it’s not on your channel then I don’t know. Thanks for all your videos and knowledge over the past 4 years

[@360.Tapestry]

lol it's like people really don't understand the context for this video

[@65Drums]

Right, and I have no idea why.

[@Thehybriddanceband]

I understand why you left DWe off. That said, it's becoming obvious DWe is gaining momentum in the market. I'm rethinking the VAD 507 and rather go w the shell DWe and stay w my present gen 16s.

[@DavidOakesMusic]

Just to be clear - do you hate the sound of mesh heads and L80s on an acoustic kit - or just when it's miked up ??

[@65Drums]

What I'm saying is that L80s are nice practice cymbals, but they are not designed for stage use in front of an audience. Miced or unmiced it doesn't matter, they sound bad either way

[@DavidOakesMusic]

Yes. I love mine but they’re too quiet for live.

[@MrBlueDux]

efnote 3x went down to $1900

[@RulgertGhostalker]

speaking of e-drums made in Japan, is Tama working on the Tama Cocktail JAM Mini E-drum Shell Pack yet ??? ( the ideal module being a Roland SPD-SX Pro )

[@hugostos09]

You could have mentioned Pearl Mimic Pro with Drumtec. The best combination in the world.

[@PlaneTrotter]

nope, the best combination is roland with toontrack

[@hugostos09]

@@PlaneTrotter Correct, but I'm not talking about VST

[@alexk7726]

Hi Justin, I have a Roland TD 27KV2, I want to upgrade, buy an ATV cymbal, does the ATV work well with the Roland module? Do they have good response?

[@ste3191]

Dwe?

[@fanou8822]

what do you consider as an ultra small venue? would any silent stick be beneficial?

[@Tom-sd2vi]

I played at bars with ~30-70 people with edrums and the acoustic sounds of me smacking the roland cymbals were not noticable from the audience. Hope this helps.

[@fanou8822]

thanks a lot. How far is the audience? Usually, I am playing with an audience about 5-8 meters with my acoustic and am now considering edrum. Have you ever tried the silent stick?@@Tom-sd2vi

[@frankieloveband]

I agree with previous posts- you left off the DWe kit ? Good video on the rest of it😃

[@65Drums]

At 1:40 I explain that I don't recommend drums with metal electronic cymbals (for stage use), because metal electronic cymbals are pretty loud, and have a higher pitch than rubber cymbals which makes them stand out too much. Depending on your speaker volume and room size, the audience will hear a "ting ting" sound as you play. Metal electronic cymbals are a better fit for studio use where this limitation doesn't matter.

[@a1mSanS]

Do you think Roland will present new kits at Namm 2024, e.g. some between Td27Kv2 and VAD507?

[@65Drums]

probably not, but never say never

[@laptoples]

Awe, good question, although unfortunately Justin is prolly right. I'll definitely be watching for his NAMM video !!!!! I bought an online pass last year and I thought it was a waste of money. I thought there would be live feeds of the booths and there wasn't. That's what I wanted to see, so the rest of the pass was kinda useless to me. Unless you want to watch a seminar on flutes or marching band techniques or whatever, I wouldn't recommend getting the pass...lol

[@Edrumcenter]

Roland will not be at NAMM.

[@aelius93]

Um just for next time ... I think Frankenset™ rolls off the tongue better. Speaking of rolling oh I'm totally kidding. That's so not me.

[@65Drums]

ohhh I like that

[@sky.london]

Do any drum modules have Dante out?

[@joshedwardsOTR]

No

[@65Drums]

They really should, but none do yet

[@darrinthorpe9292]

Great video, but why did you omit the DW ekit?

[@joshedwardsOTR]

Probably because of metal cymbals.

[@65Drums]

At 1:40 I explain that I don't recommend drums with metal electronic cymbals (for stage use), because metal electronic cymbals are pretty loud, and have a higher pitch than rubber cymbals which makes them stand out too much. Depending on your speaker volume and room size, the audience will hear a "ting ting" sound as you play. Metal electronic cymbals are a better fit for studio use where this limitation doesn't matter.

[@laptoples]

@65Drums Seeing if you went to NAMM this year. Always wait for your videos to drop !!! Hope all is well with you. :-)

[@larslan1975]

I think we’re getting away from why we are buying the electric kit,not lugging an entire shell kit across NYC clubs ,wish the smaller mesh kits at the affordable prices were available when I was playing the clubs in the 90’s and 2000’s ( CbGb’s,Lions Den ,Ritz, Roseland,etc….just plug and play would have great back then!

[@65Drums]

This video is about house kits for venues. Meaning, the kit is there permanently.

[@larslan1975]

@@65Drums true,I forgot about the theme of the video while watching,my apologies. Still 👍🏻

[@Spagz]

Surprised and curious why you left DWe out? The ability to switch from E to A is nice. I realize they are first gen, probably a little buggy and don't have a lot of the extras available that I'd imagine will show up soon (like bars and splashes). Since I am considering these myself it had me wondering. Thanks bro!

[@PirateNightsuN]

probably because the metal cymbals aren't recommended mostly

[@65Drums]

At 1:40 I explain that I don't recommend drums with metal electronic cymbals (for stage use), because metal electronic cymbals are pretty loud, and have a higher pitch than rubber cymbals which makes them stand out too much. Depending on your speaker volume and room size, the audience will hear a "ting ting" sound as you play. Metal electronic cymbals are a better fit for studio use where this limitation doesn't matter.

[@Spagz]

@@65Drums I did catch that. I noticed it was the DWe at the time. I see your point. I'm waiting to see when they start selling the heads with the wireless triggers separately. They have to at some point.

[@gdnrecords]

I Have The Same Concern that @Spagz had, why did you left out the DWe I feel that you are losing perspective about your recommendations because these DW electronic drum kits are amazing, maybe something bothered you about they don’t let you keep the kit that they sent you for review, but that absence removes veracity on your reviews and recommendations. Please don’t get me wrong I admire so much, your knowledge is a reference for me, you’re a guide on electronic drums recommendations and what you share in this channel, but you should not left out the DWe kit

[@65Drums]

It's not that deep my guy. At 1:40 I clearly explain that I don't recommend drums with metal electronic cymbals (for stage use), because metal electronic cymbals are pretty loud, and have a higher pitch than rubber cymbals which makes them stand out too much. Depending on your speaker volume and room size, the audience will hear a "ting ting" sound as you play. Metal electronic cymbals are a better fit for studio use where this limitation doesn't matter.

[@obijuan8466]

LOL! Justin, you ARE a Roland shill.