6mm ARC is WEAK SAUCE....[Here Is Why]

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WHO_TEE_WHO

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Comparing 6mm ARC to 6mm creedmoor, .243 Winchester, 6mm Remington, 6.5 creedmoor, and 6.5 Grendel....

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@FredHenry1850
@FredHenry1850 29 күн бұрын
I like how he makes up his own mind instead of parroting what everybody else is already saying. I don't even own a 6mm, so good on you WTW.
@WHOTEEWHO
@WHOTEEWHO 29 күн бұрын
👍👍
@WHOTEEWHO
@WHOTEEWHO 29 күн бұрын
BINGO
@JohnAngle-vw8yq
@JohnAngle-vw8yq 28 күн бұрын
@@FredHenry1850 He is as honest as a man can be and still keep the channel profitable.
@respectbossmon
@respectbossmon 28 күн бұрын
@@JohnAngle-vw8yq I get the feeling he'd keep doing it even if it cost him some.....just because.....just to know.
@galenpedersen4755
@galenpedersen4755 29 күн бұрын
I can tow more with my 3500 truck than I can with my k1500 Tahoe. If you compare the 6 ARC to its actual competitors, it is MUCH more relative.
@Gokywildcats11
@Gokywildcats11 29 күн бұрын
Always wanted a 2 door tahoe or gmc
@tsgeorge106
@tsgeorge106 28 күн бұрын
The military wanted a cartridge in a AR15 that would have the same ballistic as a .308. Hornady developed the 6mm ARC. It stays supersonic past 1000 yards.
@dr.froghopper6711
@dr.froghopper6711 29 күн бұрын
The Grendel and the ARC are much smaller cases, better suited to AR15’s. The others are short action 308 size cases with much more powder!
@coupe50h
@coupe50h 29 күн бұрын
And higher pressure, at least comparing a Grendel to a .308 stuff.
@steveburlingame1935
@steveburlingame1935 29 күн бұрын
100%
@pault4313
@pault4313 29 күн бұрын
@dr.froghopper6711 Yep I built a 6mm arc in an AR15. 14.5 inch barrel. Love that thing
@catman928
@catman928 28 күн бұрын
If you reload, you use 1/2 the powder and the available small rifle primers. Good luck finding large rifle primers now.
@blauer2551
@blauer2551 28 күн бұрын
My .450 Bushmaster seems to be suited well for the AR platform. I guess that is comparing apples to pineapples though.
@BrettBrown-ln7bz
@BrettBrown-ln7bz 29 күн бұрын
Now do a realistic comparison. AR-15 compatible calibers only. 6ARC vs 5.56/.223, .300BLK, 6.8SPC, 6.5 Grendel, etc. Let us know how it fares against its peers. This is like comparing Floyd Mayweather to Muhhamed Ali and asking who would win if they fought.
@Mike-xi4zt
@Mike-xi4zt 29 күн бұрын
There are many people saying that the 6mm Arc is just as powerful as a 243 Winchester. 243 shoots the same bullets anywhere from 300 to 600 ft per second faster. But there are people who say it's just as powerful
@joew5792
@joew5792 29 күн бұрын
​@@Mike-xi4zt it is, as long as you're 200-300yds further away with the .243
@Mike-xi4zt
@Mike-xi4zt 29 күн бұрын
@@joew5792 hornady says 6mm arc shoots a 110 gr .604 BC at 2575 fps. Hornady also says 110 gr .604 BC out of a 243 win achieves 3000 fps. 425 fps more velocity in a 243 win than 6mm arc from the highest BC 6mm bullet hornady makes. That means that at ALL ranges the 243 win obliterates 6mm arc.
@joew5792
@joew5792 29 күн бұрын
@Mike-xi4zt I don't think you got my point there, that's basically exactly what I said
@Mike-xi4zt
@Mike-xi4zt 29 күн бұрын
@@joew5792 the 6mm arc and 243 will be equal power but the 243 acheives the same power at a further distance. I did get it. There are many who think and say they are equal in performance.
@marcuskadau648
@marcuskadau648 29 күн бұрын
The point is it mimics 308 trajectory, fits in a AR mag, and enough emergency to deer hunt. 0 recoil long range plinker.... its not meant to be compared to 308 case calibers
@jaydunbar7538
@jaydunbar7538 29 күн бұрын
308 Winchester is a cartridge, .308 is a caliber shared with many other cartridges like 30-30 Winchester, 30-06 Springfield, and 300 Winchester magnum.
@marcuskadau648
@marcuskadau648 29 күн бұрын
My comment was over your head. The other calibers in the test are not in the same category as 6arc, 6.5 grendel. Standard short action cartridges are obviously more powerful due to much larger case capacity. 6 arc is designed to mimic .308 winchester trajectory, with similar recoil to .223 while giving close to .243 winchester energy all while fitting in an AR mag
@paladin556
@paladin556 28 күн бұрын
​@@jaydunbar7538remind me not to call my dewalt reciprocating saw a sawzall in front of you. It might cause you to have a stroke.
@Ripper13F1V
@Ripper13F1V 15 күн бұрын
@@jaydunbar7538 and 300 Blackout which actually fits in an AR.
@scaler1179
@scaler1179 29 күн бұрын
6mm arc was designed to be the most effective cartridge for the ar15 platform.
@PassivePortfolios
@PassivePortfolios 29 күн бұрын
The DOD should have reviwed it instead of that crazy 277 Fury.
@scaler1179
@scaler1179 29 күн бұрын
@@PassivePortfolios agree
@Manco65
@Manco65 29 күн бұрын
And how much better will it be against Red Chinese or Russian hard body armor?
@PassivePortfolios
@PassivePortfolios 29 күн бұрын
@@Manco65 better than the current 5.56 mm and more practical than the 277 Fury.
@Manco65
@Manco65 29 күн бұрын
@@PassivePortfolios good luck with that one
@MontanaWild78
@MontanaWild78 29 күн бұрын
You are not comparing apples to apples. You can’t shoot any of the other cartridges you are showing in the AR15 platform, except the Grendel. Of course the other cartridges will perform better with 15 more grains of powder.
@montanamusings
@montanamusings 29 күн бұрын
You are 100% correct! I have it in a gas gun and a Howa bolt gun. Both 20 inch barrels. It does what it was designed to do. It's pretty good out 1000 yards too!
@williamgaines9784
@williamgaines9784 29 күн бұрын
Bigger apples.
@MontanaWild78
@MontanaWild78 29 күн бұрын
@@montanamusings I have a gas gun with an 18” Proof SS and I love it. Low recoil and very accurate, it also performs very well at extended distances so I am happy. I would love to try the new Gieselle 6 ARC.
@montanamusings
@montanamusings 29 күн бұрын
@MontanaWild78 good to see a fellow Montanan in the chat. I have recent video of a 500 yard KYL shoot on my channel. The wind was brutal.
@DinoNucci
@DinoNucci 29 күн бұрын
Zzzzz
@fracken1441
@fracken1441 29 күн бұрын
Without a doubt the 6mm ARC is the best cartridge yet in an AR-15. Carry around an AR-10 all day and you'll soon realize the benefit of the 6 ARC in the AR-15.
@codyvickers967
@codyvickers967 29 күн бұрын
I just ordered a 6mm ARC for this reason: Burns less powder than 6mm Creedmoor, has amazing barrel life in comparison to the 6mm Creedmoor, and while it is going a bit slower, It is stable at long range and did I mention it burns far less powder, making it cheaper to reload. For a paper puncher, it is awesome.
@PassivePortfolios
@PassivePortfolios 29 күн бұрын
The 6 mm ARC beats the 5.56 which is what it was designed to do. Any other comparisons are irrelevant.
@Entertainment_Enterprise
@Entertainment_Enterprise 28 күн бұрын
I went with a 6mm Arc for a bench rest gun for many reasons. Long barrel life, zero recoil, very accurate 6mm bullets, same amount of powder charge as a 44mag so 1 pound of powder actually lasts awhile.
@bradstephens4915
@bradstephens4915 29 күн бұрын
I have both the Grendel and 6arc in custom rifles. One thing for those of us that shoot a lot, the case life on both of these is more than a 308. Which is a lot. The 6CM has about 1000 round barrel life, if that. That’s benches accuracy, not hunting accuracy. So for those that hunt only, that’s not a big deal. But for those that shoot a lot, it’s a big deal. And also, if you handload, it’s pretty easy to get 2900 fps with a 108 grain bullet in the 6arc. But that’s from a bolt gun, not an AR platform. Apples to oranges I guess……
@albydoucet8467
@albydoucet8467 29 күн бұрын
Grendel and 6 arc is made for the AR-15 platform 2.260 oal.
@MontanaWillie44
@MontanaWillie44 29 күн бұрын
I have a Grendel bolt and AR. It shoots FAR better out of my bolt gun than my AR. Not even close actually. So 🤷🏻‍♂️
@albydoucet8467
@albydoucet8467 29 күн бұрын
@@MontanaWillie44 dude you can't fix stupid!!!
@MontanaWillie44
@MontanaWillie44 29 күн бұрын
@@albydoucet8467 lol any cartridge is going to shoot better out of a bolt gun vs a gas gun. Every time.
@albydoucet8467
@albydoucet8467 29 күн бұрын
@@MontanaWillie44 I know that ku jo. There are better cartridges for the bolt gun 6 gt 6 br 6 creed
@joew5792
@joew5792 29 күн бұрын
​@MontanaWillie44 I have a grendel hunter upper that shoots 5 shot bug holes so ya... not necessarily
@bestestusername
@bestestusername 29 күн бұрын
6.5x55 swede all the way!
@danietkissenle
@danietkissenle 29 күн бұрын
correct answer if its loaded to euro specs, saami did the swede dirty
@lenzadlberger
@lenzadlberger 29 күн бұрын
The 6.5x55SE is the better Creedmoor nothing more to say
@danietkissenle
@danietkissenle 29 күн бұрын
@@lenzadlberger no argument only thing the creedmoor has over the swede is you can get ammo for it.
@lenzadlberger
@lenzadlberger 29 күн бұрын
@@danietkissenle in Europe there are more Different Loadings available for the Swede then for Creedmoor
@danietkissenle
@danietkissenle 29 күн бұрын
@@lenzadlberger in the us, the swede is considered an obscure caliber so all the us manufactures load it down for the old milsurps and its really hard to find any and finding some good Norma or Lapua is like finding a unicorn. and its ts all overpriced, 1.5 that of the creed moor, thats why i got set up to reload
@ErikAnderson-sz8lp
@ErikAnderson-sz8lp 29 күн бұрын
Great info and as posted by several others the 6 ARC and 6.5 Grendel are the only ones listed that run on an AR15 platform. The others are AR10 platform. It was my understanding that the 6 ARC was to improve the AR15 performance of the 5.56 NATO/223. A great comparison may be the new 22ARC. Thanks and keep up the great content
@AdvancedTennisFoundation-ph9zo
@AdvancedTennisFoundation-ph9zo 16 күн бұрын
Nice effort to be positive about this...
@chrisartz8972
@chrisartz8972 28 күн бұрын
6mm Arc comes in AR 15 platform,6mm Creedmoor comes in AR 10 platform.I know guys who use 6mm Arc for coyotes and they love it
@PassivePortfolios
@PassivePortfolios 29 күн бұрын
The 6 mm ARC was designed to replace the 5.56 mm by giving it greater range and stopping power, while not adding a lot of load weight and recoil. It definitely succeeded towards that goal. It is a very efficient cartridge and a better idea than the 277 Fury insanity.
@Slickone-wk9mc
@Slickone-wk9mc 28 күн бұрын
Cept theres no affordable ammo
@lugnut93
@lugnut93 26 күн бұрын
@@Slickone-wk9mc False. 6mm ARC ammo is cheaper than any of the short action cartridges.
@dontbetreadin4777
@dontbetreadin4777 13 күн бұрын
@@lugnut93 where?
@lugnut93
@lugnut93 13 күн бұрын
@@dontbetreadin4777 check ammoseek
@lugnut93
@lugnut93 13 күн бұрын
@@dontbetreadin4777 check ammoseek
@blueeyeddevil1
@blueeyeddevil1 29 күн бұрын
You forgot to include 50 BMG in this mix, since you are comparing apples to artichokes in this video.
@williambundick349
@williambundick349 29 күн бұрын
Like others have said before me the 6 ARC was designed for the AR 15 platform for the D.O.D. To get better terminal performance at ranges the 5.56 could not..
@TheBeefSlayer
@TheBeefSlayer 29 күн бұрын
My buddies Grendel is one of the most accurate things I’ve ever seen though. 🤷🏼
@southernpine79
@southernpine79 29 күн бұрын
Several years ago I wanted an AR15 upper with more punch than 223/556 for my wife to deer hunt with and I was just intrigued by an AR platform with a lot more juice. Could be handy to have around for multiple reasons. After a lot of research I decided on Grendel. I’ve been very pleased. My wife took her first deer with it two years ago and the big doe she shot dropped in its tracks. Shot was inside 100 yds and she had practiced for a high shoulder shot and that’s what she made. When the 6arc came out I was interested enough to watch and read about it but it’s not enough to make me switch over. Grendel is more than enough for what we use it for. My hunting is almost all 200 yds or under and we only take shots we know we can make. If the animal doesn’t give us a good shot we let it pass. I’ve been thinking about trying out a 12” pistol Grendel for her as an even handier package than the 16” I have now. As long as it’s still relatively easy to find and load for I’ll probably stick with it.
@jamesbromstead4949
@jamesbromstead4949 29 күн бұрын
My 18 inch barreled AR in 6.5 Grendel has been a great combination for hogs here in North Texas. Low recoil, fast follow up shots and plenty of power.
@takedeadaim8671
@takedeadaim8671 29 күн бұрын
You all are talking about hunt, he doesn’t care about that he catches them
@Rickkari7
@Rickkari7 27 күн бұрын
I’ve taken 3 deer and a coyote the last 2 seasons with my 20inch BCA Grendel upper. Great deer round. Wish ammo was cheaper though.
@takedeadaim8671
@takedeadaim8671 26 күн бұрын
@@Rickkari7 A friend of mine and his grandson both shot their deer last season with a 6ARC, I think they used factory rounds the previous year but I built them a bolt action on a Howa action, hand lapped the barrel. I believe they are going to try to hand load for that one.
@JackFrostTheDeerHunter
@JackFrostTheDeerHunter 29 күн бұрын
built for the AR platform is my understanding. I will stick with the tried and true 243
@joshuas6015
@joshuas6015 29 күн бұрын
Eh, I still like my 6mm ARCs. It was designed at a DOD request to improve AR-15 lethality and ballistics using an 18 inch barrel, and does that job quite nicely. Plus it has a nice safety margin vs 5.56 for nailing coyotes in my local area :)
@mogulrider
@mogulrider 29 күн бұрын
Depends what it's used for. For deer, antelope, and other class 2 animals Grendel, 6arc under 300yds are excellent choices with proper hunting bullets. I'll take the 7lb recoil any day if the week.
@danietkissenle
@danietkissenle 29 күн бұрын
the 6 arc shouldn't even be compared to the creedmoor and 243, its a completely different class of cartridge, compare it to other micro action cartridges
@Gokywildcats11
@Gokywildcats11 29 күн бұрын
The the 6mm better than 243 and 25/06????
@danietkissenle
@danietkissenle 29 күн бұрын
@@Gokywildcats11i didn't say that, it will loose every time to the 243 and 25-06. as i said its a mini action Ar cartridge.
@CyclopsJoeVideos
@CyclopsJoeVideos 29 күн бұрын
6 ARC is kinda a modern 6PPC . The PPC is incredible, but not a hunting cartridge
@TheSuburban15
@TheSuburban15 28 күн бұрын
6PPC is like a 100 to 200 yard benchrest cartridge. You can maybe stretch to 300 yards, but I think most benchrest shooters go to 6mm Norma BR for 300 yard group shooting.
@lukeflaugher5334
@lukeflaugher5334 29 күн бұрын
It’s designed for PRS shooting. Low recoiling cartridge that can be taken to distance fairly easy and can stay in the scope with barely any reticle movement compared to bigger cartridges. Plus it fits in the AR 15 platform
@IWatchedWhat
@IWatchedWhat 29 күн бұрын
Now my 6-284 is a real screamer and has less drop than the creedmore
@BryanShull-lt8gz
@BryanShull-lt8gz 29 күн бұрын
Look, I know your from Tennessee but come on! 6arc, 6.5 Grendel, 6x45, 25-45 Sharps, 300 blk and others were all designed to in some way improve on the AR15 in 5.56. Some do and some not so much. If your going to run a bolt gun then by all means stay with 243 or 6 creed. Don't compare the 25-45 Sharps to the 25-06, they are not in the same class. Your comparing bantam weight fighters to heavy weights. You can do the heavy weights in the AR10 class rifle but not in the much lighter AR15 platform. The whole purpose of these rounds in the AR15 platform is for medium to short range deer and hog weapons. 300 yards max in a light weight, low recoil, modular system. And for hogs the high round count is a plus. This video made absolutely no sense!
@wayne-oo
@wayne-oo 29 күн бұрын
Apples to Tomatoes comparison ! It was built for the AR platform and the almost imperceptible recoil leads it for spot on fallow up shots ! Once you try to shoot a coyote at 400 yards with it you will understand how easy it is to shoot !
@sethboyce9832
@sethboyce9832 29 күн бұрын
All the 6 arc factory ammo is loaded to the lower pressure for the weak AR bolt face. If you handload a 6 arc in a bolt action is pretty decent. Felt recoil is a good bit less than 243 for some reason when shooting same weight bullets in identical rifles. Something that no one ever talks about is in real life comparing 6 arc to 243 bolt action velocities in short barrel and lightweight varmint bullets the 6 arc closes the gap between it and the 243 quite a bit. I think it’s because the 6 arc doesn’t lose as much velocity per inch or barrel as a 243 does. In 18” barrels it’s usually extremely close as in under 100 fps and less felt recoil. I like em both and when 6 arc first came out I thought that’s dumb but since shooting 6 arc I very rarely shoot 243s anymore
@Plumcraziness
@Plumcraziness 29 күн бұрын
For me, it's .243 all day and twice on Sunday. IMO, the only thing the 6mm Creedmoor is good for is if you're long distance target shooting, or if you have a need for a dual purpose rifle. I'm a hunter, so for my purposes, it's .243 all the way. Ammo and components are cheaper and more readily available than other 6mm variants, and heck, I can even neck down .308 brass if need be. For my needs, it's just a better option. Eventually I'll be building a Tikka T3x with a custom 24" barrel with a 1:7" twist rate for shooting heavier, higher BC Hammer bullets up to 105 grains. With the higher velocities that Hammers allow you to achieve (with the same pressures), it'll be even flatter with more energy than any of the other 6mm variants listed in the charts for this video. I'm building it solely for hunting purposes, but it's nice to have an even flatter trajectory and more effective range. It's gonna be sweet little rig. Great video as always, Adam! 👍
@unbalancedredneck5778
@unbalancedredneck5778 29 күн бұрын
I think the main purpose of the 6 ARC is mostly for the PRS gas gun division. It’s accurate and low recoil. Most cartridges compared here would require the much heavier and more expensive AR10. The only thing this video really proves is 15 gr more powder goes faster. If you compare it to other cartridges that a fit into a standard ar15 it does well. Loaded with the 80 gr cx bullet in an 18 inch barrel it hits 2850 -2900fps and is plenty on coyote and deer.
@calebdavis3110
@calebdavis3110 29 күн бұрын
I shoot 6mm arc and get .248 size groups out of an ar. it cost me 92 cents a round its a great coyote round. It cost me $800 to build a rifle scope and all. Extremely cheap and easy to reload. Not saying it gets amazing energy but there is a dead coyote at 942 yards on my charts.
@daig54
@daig54 29 күн бұрын
Its a niche cartridge, it has a purpose. Like you stated what was it designed for? EX: 223 Remington When people say it was designed by the military I cant help but interrupt them and say they're wrong. 223 Remington was a varmint round hijacked by the military and redesigned into the 5.56 Nato. 30-06 Springfield was a purposely built military round, but ballistically is awesome for hunting and the proof is in the 118 years that its been used. I don't believe a caliber is bad or good. They're purpose built someone somewhere was looking for something as a in-between, it's just figuring out the in-between what and then you get a clearer picture. To your point rabbit holes. Everyone has their own solutions for their own problems or kicks. this is why when it comes to cartridges i compare bullet grain weights over pure cartridge to cartridge. Its all apples and oranges, and in the case of magnums, watermelons.
@bigingo4269
@bigingo4269 21 күн бұрын
at 6mm arc, the service life of the rifle barrel is significantly longer . 6mm Creedmoore 2500 Rounds
@shaylneoozeva6260
@shaylneoozeva6260 29 күн бұрын
Barrel will last longer and more accurate in the arc that's why competition shooters opt for the 6 dasher which is similar to the arc
@exothermal.sprocket
@exothermal.sprocket 28 күн бұрын
6mm ARC: better than 5.56 Nato within the constraints of the AR15. That's really the point.
@jmart0189
@jmart0189 29 күн бұрын
You forgot to include 50BMG and 338 LM in your comparison! You'd be shocked how poorly standard length cartridges actually perform in comparison!
@phillip6919851
@phillip6919851 29 күн бұрын
6mm arc’s advantage is it can be ran from an ar platform. It out performs the ar15. You left out 6.5 prc
@Roninx1980
@Roninx1980 28 күн бұрын
The only true comparison out of those is the 6mm arc vs the 6.5 Grendel. The other rounds are made based off of the .308 round and fire through the AR-10 platform. The 6.5 Grendel and 6mm ARC are based off the .220 Russian and fire out of the AR-15 platform.
@allanarndt3047
@allanarndt3047 28 күн бұрын
The biggest mistake you are making with your cartridge comparison is the 6 mm ARC & 6.5 Grendel were designed to have a cartridge with low recoil,can easily kill deer sized animals at ranges farther than most hunters can shoot,fits & functions in the AR-15 semi-auto platform rifle with a barrel & bolt swap! Those numbers also change a fair amount if you load the 6.5 Grendel with a 100gr.bullet.All the other cartridges listed will only fit in the AR-10 (much larger & heavier) rifle platform. This is why the 6.5 Grendel has been growing in popularity year after year! I’m only guessing here but that is probably why Hornady has also made the 6mm ARC.
@ryanharris6045
@ryanharris6045 29 күн бұрын
The purpose of this cartridge is to sell more ammunition. If everyone keeps thinking that they need the latest and greatest cartridge, rifle, or pickup truck, they will part with their money. Dad's old .308 is still getting the job done. Thanks for putting the facts on the screen for us to see. Cheers!
@JohnAngle-vw8yq
@JohnAngle-vw8yq 29 күн бұрын
I took my 6mm Creedmoor out to a 1000 a few weeks ago. Wonderful cartridge in ALL respects. 24 MOA for me but I have a 26” barrel.
@2Atyrannyresponceunit
@2Atyrannyresponceunit 29 күн бұрын
But wait, where's the 6.5 prc. 😂😂😂
@texpatriot8462
@texpatriot8462 29 күн бұрын
Or the 300 PRC.
@nichmaus8705
@nichmaus8705 29 күн бұрын
Two points: 1. Recoil. 2. Short/mini action. Find one that has less and does more. Also consider barrel life.
@peady64
@peady64 23 күн бұрын
The 6mmARC was invented because a certain SMU wanted something ballistically superior to the 5.56 round. It does that in spades. It was never intended to rival 6mm Creedmoor, or any other AR-10 style cartridges. If you want a fair comparison, compare it against other AR-15 compatible ammunition such as 6.5 Grendel, 6.8 SPC, 5.56, etc.
@sethperry1323
@sethperry1323 29 күн бұрын
The only way I'd go 6mm arc is in a bolt gun... I can reload them puppies HOT... 6x45 is a sleeper an its the cheapest! 6-6.8spc is fast! An amazing in short barrels... 6max seems promising... The 6mm maximum is on my list 400 legend necked down to 6mm... simalar to the 6-6.8spc but slightly more capacity! Should be pushing a 55gr nosler over 3500fps easy from a 16" barrel . .. 🎉🎉🎉🎉
@rosswitte
@rosswitte 29 күн бұрын
6mm ARC was a blend of fitting in lighter AR platform, ammo capacity in standard mag, and effective distance.
@Grumpy-old-dad
@Grumpy-old-dad 29 күн бұрын
Your awesome videos are not showing up in my feed anymore. Made it a point to hunt you down to see what can be done to get the content I enjoy filling my feed again. Thank you for your works and keeping me entertained for hours on end.
@WHOTEEWHO
@WHOTEEWHO 29 күн бұрын
Appreciate you watching. YT is squirrely
@leesmith8646
@leesmith8646 29 күн бұрын
The 6mm arc was build to work in a AR 15 platform and lower receiver
@JuanGarciaJr-st9ef
@JuanGarciaJr-st9ef 29 күн бұрын
You should compare 6mm arc , 22 arc , and 22 creedmore
@billsanders9726
@billsanders9726 9 күн бұрын
i wish more gun makers made the 22 creed
@jobysessions8887
@jobysessions8887 28 күн бұрын
I appreciate the comparisons. I want a 6mm ARC because I like the 7.62x39. The 6mm ARC. Seems to be a massive improvement over the 7.62x39 out of a mini action. So modernizing a compact, low recoil, round for medium range. I only shoot 200-300 yards at the farthest. So the appeal is strong to change to 6mm ARC
@chrisb9478
@chrisb9478 29 күн бұрын
6Arc is like a .243 Lite that will run in AR15’s. It’s a neat little cartridge.
@dankcincy
@dankcincy 29 күн бұрын
Not sure what you're doing here. The 6 Arc is a cartridge designed for use in an AR15, compare it to AR15 cartridges.
@erroneous6947
@erroneous6947 2 күн бұрын
From what I understand the bolt actions chambered in 6mm arc can handle much hotter rounds. The semi auto cartridges are limited pressure. That’s what I’ve read. Anyway I’ve been a fan of .243 win for decades. Now several manufacturers are making rifles with tighter twists for heavier bullets. Wouldn’t mind having the light weight weatherby in .243.
@kensmith8832
@kensmith8832 29 күн бұрын
We don't shoot the 6 ARC for flat shooting, we shoot it for reduced recoil! If you shoot competition, and you empty more than 300 brass per range day, you will understand why we like the reduced recoil. I found hunting to be more fun with a reduced recoil, as the noise is less, and you don't feel deaf for a few days. If you are all about flat shooting cartridges, you just told us your age, maturity level, and lack of purpose! If your ego is that off, go back to the 300 Win Mag. The Grendel and 6 ARC are much better with lighter weight bullets! You also need to look at the changes in velocity for BBL length, from 12" to 22". The 95gr V-Max is great in the Grendel, and the 75gr V-Max in the 6ARC is a good balance. Those heavy bullets are for long range, which means nothing in our 100 yards or less hunting arena.
@thegoodlife2021
@thegoodlife2021 29 күн бұрын
What about the 6.5 Carcano??😅😂😅
@benjaminlechmann2071
@benjaminlechmann2071 29 күн бұрын
The countdown montage has me tripping lol
@Kesrick
@Kesrick 29 күн бұрын
To compare a short action group of cartridges to an AR platform cartridge is rather unfair. The Grendel is the only one in the same category. To make it fair, drop the short actions and add AR cartridges like 6.8 SPC, 224 Valkyrie, & 300 Blackout. Any larger in diameter would be relatively useless. There are some wildcats out there that could also make it interesting, but it would be better to stick with production ammo only. If you are going to go short action, why not go 257 Wby or 6.5 PRC, they would both drop less than any of the others, with the 257 beating the best by 4 inches. The 6.5 PRC would easily beat the best in energy. Dial in is a worthless comparison. If you know your dope, you know where you need to dial. Home much you have to dial is mostly immaterial. Please try again with cartridges in the 2.260" OAL range to make it a fair test. If you do, the 6mm ARC is best in drop, Best in energy @ 500yd (Grendel just a hair under), and best in Come Up (again, just beating the Grendel). Oh, the ARC is also best at bucking the wind. So, what's the best cartridge in the AR Platform for medium range? The king is currently the 6mm ARC - Hands down. Do better.
@mine8009
@mine8009 7 күн бұрын
I think one of the arguments in favor of 6 ARC, at least for me, is reloading. Where I’m at, it’s easy enough to find powders that will work for the ARC as well as 6 mm projectiles, brass is brass once you have it. The central problem is primers. Magnum primers are unobtainium. Large rifle primers can be found, but it seems you have to make a sacrifice to whatever deity you believe in to find them. Small rifle primers though, those are pretty easy to come by. This makes a 6 ARC appealing as an option for deer within reasonable ranges, and due to it’s lower powder needs, it’s slightly more cost effective to work with when compared to some of the other options out there.
@shetantheblack
@shetantheblack 29 күн бұрын
I would say that its amazing that the 6 arc perform so well with 15 grains less powder then the 243 and 6mm rem. So 2 243 round and you get 3 6 arc cartridges. And 6 arc fits ar15 platform and for the cartidge and the velocity its pretty impressive and vert efficient. And not to mention not near as much recoil as the 6 creed 6 rem or 243 and a deer cartridge out to 350 400. I say its awesome
@waynemayle865
@waynemayle865 29 күн бұрын
The only way I'll own a 6mm arc is with a 26 in varmint heavy barrel
@jesuslovesme9138
@jesuslovesme9138 29 күн бұрын
Hey Hoo Tee. Look into the 6mm Max. 55gr. up to a 105gr. loadings! Its looks to be a great caliber, especially if you reload.
@mikewest712
@mikewest712 29 күн бұрын
A guy just shot a factory stocked howa 6 arc for 1000 yards down in texas.(Texas plinking). I was impressed but The round has never appealed to me for any thing.
@travisbond635
@travisbond635 29 күн бұрын
I bought a Seekings Precision 6mm arc in the AR15 platform. It has a 22 inch barrel. I'm also trying to learn more about this caliber. I look forward to seeing more videos. I live in McMinnville so I'm just up the road from ya. God bless you and yours and God bless America 🇺🇸
@js7127
@js7127 29 күн бұрын
Thank you for including the 243 and 6Rem for comparison. I have a 6Rem so it is really cool to see just how impressive the 6CM is with less powder. Have a 6BR too that one day I want to chrono my loads to see how it compares.
@PassivePortfolios
@PassivePortfolios 29 күн бұрын
Should have included the 240 Weatherby in the comparison. Beats all of them.
@greasydot
@greasydot 29 күн бұрын
I built a 6mm AI with a 1-9 twist and it's right behind the 240 for speed and still use a standard bolt face. It's a screamer for sure.
@NATHANBROWN80
@NATHANBROWN80 29 күн бұрын
So the purpose of the 6mm ARC was to fulfill the needs of a DoD contract for a DMR that could fit on an AR15 frame and be a gap filler between 556 and 308. The biproduct of 6mm ARC, once it hit the civilian market, was that for folks like me that can't hunt deer with 223 in my state, I now have a hunting legal cartridge in an AR15 platform. A more accurate comparison for 6mm ARC would be to put it against 556 and 308 and exclude all of the other calibers. From my understanding, it has a better BC and performance at and past 1000 yards than 308 because 308 goes transonic somewhere between 800 and 900 yards depending on the load. Also, the 6mm ARC was originally designed to used with an 18" barrel. Hope this helps. Keep up the good work, Who-Tee!
@jasonseiverling5354
@jasonseiverling5354 28 күн бұрын
Greatly appreciate you taking the time to share all the information on all but every cartridge. 👍 I have heard Hornady talk about the shortcomings of 6ARC while promoting 22ARC. I’m waiting for the real world information to come out on the 22ARC.
@hawkuser604
@hawkuser604 29 күн бұрын
Half of these cartridges really have no reason to exist other than to drive up ammo prices and sell guns in a new caliber. Then the company rates them out of a 24 inch barrel to hype up their performance numbers. A 243 or 6mm Rem does just about advertised velocity from a 20 to 22 inch barrel and have been doing it since the 1950s.
@stephenjerome7793
@stephenjerome7793 7 күн бұрын
The main advantage and reason 6mm arc was created was because it can be used in a much more handy and lightweight platform than what 6.5 Creedmoor can be. I believe it was developed at the request of the DOD(or some other government agency) because they tried using 6.5 Creedmoor ar10s and found that they were too big and heavy for extended use.
@HowManyLegsItHas
@HowManyLegsItHas 29 күн бұрын
I appreciate learning from KZbin mistakes...😆🤣
@Kentucky.Tactical
@Kentucky.Tactical 28 күн бұрын
6mm ARC is awesome. It's not going to stand up against full size rifle cartridges. The point is getting the maximum performance from an Ar15 size cartridge.
@user-dx1lg2cw8z
@user-dx1lg2cw8z 29 күн бұрын
I’ve been shooting the .260 Remington for over 30 years in a Savage model 11 , a great combo that doesn’t take a back seat to any of those newer cartridges!
@miguellogistics984
@miguellogistics984 16 күн бұрын
I have been a 308 AK guy since going to the 308 Galil (original version) when the HK91 failed on me with 2x extractor spring failures in a row. A friend got me into the AR world with the promises of power of the 6.5 Grendel, as AR to me is 556, and it leaves far too much to be desired. At least the 6.5 and the 6ARC can do more damage than the 556 with 4-6" less barrel. But yes, alas, when compared to the 50 Megaton Nuclear warhead, well, it just does not have the same knockdown power at 12500 miles. The 6.5G Rifle gave way to the 300Blk in a 10.5", and while there I figured one day I would build a 6ARC pistol 12.5". Making 900m shots common in a yet smaller package was too tempting, and of course the 300 was never going to be that. The ARC build over all has been successful. Having not fired at 100m for 15 years, I was able to pull off 1" groups with the 6ARC (Instructor Critic was able to do same with 6.5G both on a 14x Scope). The real illness came with the 10.5" 6.5G giving me 1" at 100m with a 2MOA Red Dot. The Cert Inst, had every chance to rag on my builds and performance at every turn. He could only call me Bougie with Guccified set ups. I believe that those getting into shooting at this time are going to be very bored. It is almost like we are in Arlen Specter's Magic Bullet land. As if we are in some kind of Gaming Simulation.
@eugenejensen2279
@eugenejensen2279 28 күн бұрын
I’m going to buy a 6mm ARC from CMMG at some point. I already have the 6.5 Grendel and like it. I purchased the 6.5 Grendel for longer distances shooting out of the AR-15 platform but that was before the 6mm ARC came out. Otherwise I would have bought the 6mm ARC and not the 6.5 Grendel. But that’s life live and learn,It is what it is.
@nathenfarmer5625
@nathenfarmer5625 29 күн бұрын
I'm just 30-06 guys, just deer hunting you can load it up or down. In north Alabama you get a shot at 100 plus in a fields, in the woods 30 to 50 yards
@screes620
@screes620 11 күн бұрын
Check the muzzle velocity of 243 win and 6 arc both out of a 16 inch barrel with 100 grain bullets. The velocity is almost identical, that's what's so special about 6 arc. In a 16 inch barrel, it's basically a 243 win. Now of course 243 win has more powder, but you need a longer barrel to take advantage of that extra powder, so at longer barrels 243 win pulls ahead, but in shorter barrels 6 arc has the same speeds with the same bullets out of a shorter/handier/lighter weapon.
@williamgaines9784
@williamgaines9784 29 күн бұрын
More potential velocity & energy in other cartridges is not a reason to bypass the ARC, unless that is your only criteria. The ARC looks to have sufficient power to use on whitetail to 400 yards. Being that it can fit in smaller platforms - AR 15, Howa Mini, or CZ Mini which gives it a weight and length advantage over the others. Looking forward to your sight-in and group testing with that CMMG
@markstone3736
@markstone3736 29 күн бұрын
Don't think you r comparing apples to apples. My opinion
@wyattarie8905
@wyattarie8905 29 күн бұрын
A lot of people upset in the comments. If you love the 6mm ARC, that's great. Keep enjoying it! But I'm pretty confident that Who_tee_who realizes it's on an ar15 length action. It's not an apples to apples comparison, but a fruit comparison. Bolt guns are avaliable in 6mm ARC, 5.56, and 6.5 Grendel. And AR(10)s are avaliable in 6.5 creedmoor, .308, .243 etc. Why limit yourself to a couple of small cartridges unless you plan on carrying a full kit of ammo. Which is what smaller cartridges were designed for.
@user-nq4ht7pb6w
@user-nq4ht7pb6w 28 күн бұрын
Thanks WTH this is very useful info for me, i love the color coding too. I appreciate the work you put into your posts for us to watch. Wind drift would be cool as well. GB
@cebulka81
@cebulka81 29 күн бұрын
6mm arc reminds me of 224 Valarie
@DrGingerHamster
@DrGingerHamster 29 күн бұрын
The faster you get to the target, the less drop you'll have - Captain Obvious Hamster
@alvincorn2176
@alvincorn2176 29 күн бұрын
6 arc is a 6.5 Grendel necked down.
@paulharding1621
@paulharding1621 16 сағат бұрын
6mm Rem loses out probably due to the slow standard twist and inability to stabilise longer heavy bullets. Great cartridge for hunting or as we say in the UK deer stalking. 🇬🇧. Very interesting comparison.
@KretinD
@KretinD 29 күн бұрын
The biggest reason for 6 arc is its the best compromise between using some high bc bullets and low recoil. As a man who appreciates value and budget kit like yourself, i think you will appreciate its efficiency after some shooting. Go for the epl4 4-16
@danblumel
@danblumel 28 күн бұрын
I'd much prefer a 6mm Creedmore than the 6 ARC.
@Clark8435
@Clark8435 11 күн бұрын
Advanced Rifle Cartridge - uses less powder and stays supersonic past 1000 yards and very low recoil to spot your shots.
@gregwhite6334
@gregwhite6334 29 күн бұрын
How about the 6.5 sweedish.
@kriskyzer7912
@kriskyzer7912 25 күн бұрын
I have to agree with many of the comments in the fact that your comparison is not quite fair….apples vs oranges. AR15 vs AR10 length cartridges. Why both of my 6ARCs shine, is due to the fact they are bolt actions. You hit on that, how be it, I feel that your comparison needs to limited to AR15 length cartridges. Think of it like 308 vs 30-06. Both are great cartridges. Texas Plinking has 2 6ARCs featured in his videos and they performed fantastic at 1000yds. Thank you for the great videos and keep them coming!!!
@codyvickers967
@codyvickers967 29 күн бұрын
That said, I ordered a 24 inch barrel.
@kspec6131
@kspec6131 29 күн бұрын
Much love buddy I really enjoy your content.
@WHOTEEWHO
@WHOTEEWHO 29 күн бұрын
Thanks for watching
@joshwinstanley64
@joshwinstanley64 28 күн бұрын
Nice video would like to see a similar video on 22 arc compared to other 22 caliber loadings
@JJ-qy8xu
@JJ-qy8xu 3 күн бұрын
6mm Arch is a 6 ppc just shortened about .040" . To get it in a AR mag. Don't let them BS you. Hornaday didn't do anything more than that . Been around since the 70's.
@thebssamurai
@thebssamurai 29 күн бұрын
I love your video reviews of different rifles and ammo etc. because it shows just a normal good bloke who has a normal level of hunting and shooting experience trying gear and explaining the results in simple terms. Having said that, I don't think wading into the world of ballistics and catridge design, and how a built for purpose cartridge like the 6mm ARC performs should be done at such a basic level that does not consider the application and performance parameters the cartridge is designed to meet. You can easily flip the argument in the 6mm ARC's favour if you are framing the question/comparison regarding the specific application and requirements. Of course if you just want a hunting or target cartridge that is offered in a bolt gun or semi auto that has a combination of moderate recoil and great ballistics performance then the 6mm Creedmoor is a great option.....but if you want a 1000 yds plus capable cartridge in an AR platform that stays supersonic at 1000yds, has low recoil and adequate killing power then the 6mm Creedmoor isn't an option unfortunately. It should be noted that the 6mm ARC has almost an identical ballistic performance in terms of trajectory to the 6.5 Creedmoor which is arguably one of the most popular target / hunting cartridges of all time. The fact that this cartridge was designed with the pressure limitations and 2.260 COL of an AR platform and can hold its own with both the 6mm and 6.5 Creedmoor, especially once you get past 1000 yds is pretty incredible. Not to mention its advantages over the .223 /5.56 that it was designed to be an alternative for. One last point is that if you are a handloader with a bolt gun you can increase the 53,000 pressure limit for AR platforms to I believe 62,000 which will no doubt get your ballistics a bit closer to the Creedmoor. Still a great video mate, especially if you are just considering a target or hunting calibre that has great performances and mild recoil. 👍
@Courtesyflush52
@Courtesyflush52 9 күн бұрын
6mm ARC is a mini action cartridge. If you have to look at full sized rifle cartridges as a comparison, I think that proves how relevant it is, and will continue to be
@JeRKII
@JeRKII 28 күн бұрын
I truly appreciate all the work you put into these charts as they are amazing base line to start with... 1 thing I thought about while watching is there are so many reason's someone would pick any 1 of these over another. Personally I think man I already own bla bla bla I don't have to go out and repurchase everything for a new cartridge. Where someone that as the extra $ will purchase all the new stuff just because they can. Anyway so many different reasons Thanks for the video look forward to watching ya shoot some stuff
@WHOTEEWHO
@WHOTEEWHO 28 күн бұрын
Always appreciate you watching!
@edwardh1591
@edwardh1591 29 күн бұрын
I have a lot of experience with the 6 mm arc, 6.5 Grendel and the 22 arc. These cartridges are designed to be fired out of the ar15 with high bc bullets. A person is never going to achieve high velocity without a long barrel 20” to 24”. The velocity advertised on the box is out of a 24” barrel. Being that your barrel length is 16” the caliber will be anemic because you are losing velocity. Expect 200+ fps velocity loss out of a 16” barrel.
@EC-mc7vg
@EC-mc7vg 29 күн бұрын
Thank you for saying it. A LOT of people are deceived by the stellar velocity numbers and don't seem to pay attention that they are achieved from 24" barrels that nobody uses in the AR 15 platform. 25 FPS loss per inch of barrel is a good "average" to use, but it could be even more with the small 6mm caliber.
@DinoNucci
@DinoNucci 29 күн бұрын
" these cartridges are designed to be fired out of the ar15" ... "u need a 24" barrel" ... L O L
@edwardh1591
@edwardh1591 29 күн бұрын
@@EC-mc7vg you are correct. I retired from being a custom rifle builder. I purchased a 22 arc in a ar 15. I purchased a 18” barrel due to being disabled in a wheelchair and hunting varmints from my vehicle which I have a permit for. By choosing the shorter barrel due to suppressor use I lost 200 fps. I verify my velocity with a magneto speed v3. I run the Hornady 62 grain ELD-VT at 3140. Now out of a 24” barrel I would get 3350fps which I have tested out of my friends bolt gun. Just a little information to think about.
@HighRoad317
@HighRoad317 19 күн бұрын
Excellent spread sheet!! I would be very curious how the 6ARC compares to the other AR15 platform cartridges in another spreadsheet.
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