7 Cheapest Final Fantasy Bosses Who Just Didn't Play Fair

[@FinalFantasyUnion]

So you've seen our list.. but who would make your list when it comes to cheapest Final Fantasy bosses?

[@Lishamisha22]

Is the term god modding still around??

[@barrybend7189]

Sapp and Piddler fight 2 from Bravely Second. And their Gag characters. Also the Sloth boss in the Yokai mission( he's from FF 4 Heroes of light). I hate his elemental weakness shift throughout his fight.

[@davidv4018]

There is a lot of cheapness in ffs bosses and monsters in general. The problem is that you are already too invested in the game to just leave it. The cheapness i hate the most, is when the game breaks its own rules, so you don't have a base to build a strategy. I was recently playing ffx2 on pc. I was on Via Infinito floor 80, SuperBoss Chac. He turned to stone two characters, broke the stones and then made an attack that killed whatever was left: i said "ok, now i know"; so i reworked my party and equipment so that they could still be strong, but at the same time having stone protection (ribbon, stoneproof), so that there is 0% chance of having any on my party turned into stone. Second try against Chac: chac converts my characters into stone...

[@SkellyMagus]

May sound silly, but for me the cheapest boss is Omega Weapon ff8. Purely going by cheap terms. I can't think of any other boss that punished you for reaching max level, so going into Omega Weapon level 100, for your 1st time, will really ruin your day! (going of experience, I enjoyed Hell's Point to much).

[@davidv4018]

@@SkellyMagus I hate omega weapon from 8, also Ultima. I love 8

[@anthonydelfino6171]

re: Magic Master. There was a very interesting mechanic for that entire tower that you missed. Every enemy, including the Magic Master, would die if they ran out of MP. This meant that it was far easier to use your Rasp and Osmose spells when climbing the tower than to use other traditional spells. And because of this mechanic, you could avoid being hit with ultima entirely if rather than reducing his HP to 0, you focused on his MP. Get his MP to zero, he will die, and upon death, he will not have the MP required to cast ultima, meaning that it would not go off. You could make this encounter even easier by casting berserk on the Magic Master at the start of the fight, cutting him off from anything other than physical attacks, then using the Phantom magicite to turn your party invisible, meaning that no attacks would hit you and you could just use Rasp over and over until he died making him probably the easiest boss in the game to cheese outside of the Vanish + Doom exploit.

[@artapichendusae9498]

train some INT stat then use RASP. Takes like 1 hour to get the boss done but it will worth for getting double cast very early.

[@pretty5793]

Wow! What an interesting strategy. Seriously need to play ff6.

[@christopherserratos9401]

Wait so magicite and spells like vanish come from FF6? I love how FF12 has all that 😩 FF lore is the best

[@TheDadFinger]

@@christopherserratos9401 you mean final fantasy 1-11 has magic and crystals too!?

[@Sentinel82]

@@christopherserratos9401 Yep. Every Final fantasy game has more or less the same abilities and spells....Even some character names, but different stories. Almost like they're just alternate dimensions very loosely based on each other.

[@Shigren]

10:23 Tactics taught me how to save. You don't just make one save file. No no, you make 3, and alternate saving over them.

[@RosieSquall]

Yes.

[@BirdsOfPlay]

It's interesting how a certain game can teach us how to play, even though that behavior might become obsolete later down the line. I also like to have multiple save-files on hand just in case, even though it's been quite a while since I encountered a game that required me to use them.

[@EM-vw7im]

@@BirdsOfPlay That's totally me as well, any rpg or any game with any kind of significant decisions, il have, like 4 saves at the least

[@DarkZodiacZZ]

Learned that very thing from Chrono Trigger.

[@MattrickBT]

I've done that ever since my FF9 file got corrupted with a badly timed power outage.

[@Dr4wfox]

I still remember my shock when Magimaster wiped my group with ultima after dying. One of the tactics I came up was to use RASP to drain his MP before killing him. It was so good to read "ULTIMA" then "No enough MP"...

[@sephtis]

I was livid when he pulled that shit on me. I'd figured out he could be berserked, so it was a simple task to whittle his HP down, then I hit the last blow and he's all like, PSYCHE! ultima.

[@GimmehLewt]

That was my strat as well! This fight was LONG!!!! But then reading the "ULTIMA" and then "Not enough MP" and then watching that motherfucker finally shove off... I get chills thinking about it

[@OmegaFujin]

Lol I feel like EVERYONE did this! 😂💯

[@mrskye08]

If we feel cheated on these hard bosses, imagine all the bosses talking to each other about how players were made to win all boss fights. I bet they all felt cheated as well.

[@MrRyonnsan]

not to mention the save load feature

[@TheDSasterX]

Imagine being ruby and only Cloud shows up. You're just like "are you janking my jank!? This is bullshit, players only have to beat me once, I have to beat them as many times as their patience permits. This game is rigged" One day I'ma show the world how to super boss. Players the world over will cower at their names!

[@thegamebazaar4871]

Woah. That is deep!

[@JJpaa]

MEANWHILE AT THE LEGION OF DOOM

[@thebatman6201]

"So i kill the entire party! But then they all just get back up from auto-life and i have to start all over again, how is that even fair?!?"

[@neilchristie6955]

The dark Aeons in FF10... Jeez the ramp up in difficulty for those guys was brutal! I actually thought at first that they were impossible to best and were just there to stop you going back to certain areas in the game.

[@KyrosQuickfist]

When I played FF9 as a kid and encountered Ozma for the first time, my entire party died to meteor before the fight started. I was confused by this, tried to swap around some skills or something and the same thing happened again. So my thought process was that this was not actually a boss fight, but was just a trap inside the dungeon designed to give you a game over rather than just some hard boss to fight.

[@nickguerrera2928]

Thats funny. He hurt me as well.

[@blackwaltz3135]

Lmao my Friend bought a strategy guide and that was the only way I was able to kill him but I did it

[@212mochaman]

@@blackwaltz3135 did the strategy give any tips and tricks for bs rng getting meteor opening move?

[@blackwaltz3135]

@@212mochaman that was like 23 plus years ago, I don't remember everything it had

[@Patrick_The_Pure]

Ozma is absolute trash and the definition of unfair. You can beat him with some luck with a lvl 7 Freya, while at the same time, he can instant kill and entire party of lvl 99's in one go. He has an arsenal of missable steals and missable drops and a unique card with random arrows and stats. If you go for a perfect run, good luck with this dude.

[@killysnowsw]

But none of these compare to a single Tonberry.

[@Shadowultd]

Or worse the Mega Tonberry from ffx-2

[@mooboy]

I've had nightmares of the little guys...

[@truindividual]

@@mooboy omg yes. I seen one of those in X-2 and i noped outta there

[@Zeth163]

TONBERRY!!!!!!

[@zoessi5685]

Ah... That bald, shiny, green, full of grudge & knife holder creature （┬┬＿┬┬）

[@AlainSTO]

I think what people also had to remember about Wiegraf is that back in the day, you couldn't just rotate saves. Memory cards only had 15 blocks for you to use and you definitely had other games using those 15 blocks (some probably with different saves too). So you didn't think to save over it because you've almost always seen the world map after every battle.

[@arctorusmedia]

I beat Ruby Weapon in FF7 by chance. Cait Sith got his lucky Game Over roll on his limit.

[@sheriffofrockridge9095]

Weak

[@sarkaztik3228]

Honestly found Ruby far easier than Emerald. I think it was two tries on Ruby and what seemed like an eternity of woe on Emerald. And no, none of that exploit crap, especially back then when it wasn't really well known.

[@Krazymaddog]

If you have a master summon and an additional knights of the round, you can put up absorb and mp absorb linked to each. I healed up to max every knight of the round

[@hanino6453]

Pog

[@Vheelana]

That's how I beat Omega Weapon in FF8, Selphie rolled her Insta kill on her limit break

[@pizzapizza6322]

The thing about Ozma that is super cheap is that, no matter what, your victory is never guaranteed. It doesn't matter how high level you are, what gear you have, or what strategy you use. Ozma just has a certain series of moves that cause an unavoidable game over.

[@RosieSquall]

Uh... couldn't you actually cheese Ozma? I'm positive there was a way to basically render him useless.

[@mrdude88]

After reading a guide on my first play through to get Excalibur 2 and near perfect stats, I learn any bosses in FFIX can be beaten at level 1 with the “right” gear.

[@Roksana-gy1ek]

@@mrdude88 this one is a SUPER small chance of victory. Doesnt matter about your gear or anything, Ozma can Counter it, and seeing as this enemy is Luck Based, what are the chances of beating Ozma in lvl1? Very low, but it can be done

[@truindividual]

@@Roksana-gy1ek and u can't stat grind like FF7

[@truindividual]

@fullmetaljaco say what!?

[@sir.raphimrevelator8644]

Ozma: are you prepared? Player: no! Game Over Ozma: are you prepsred? Player: yes!! Game over Ozma: are you prepared? Player: Hell yeah! Game Over

[@Hocklie333]

Ain't that the truth. I still haven't beaten Ozma yet.

[@SenshiV]

I never defeated Ozma haha.

[@Gho5tdSS]

Faaaaaaaaacts. I defeated Hades easily and thought Ozma would be a pushover. I got wrecked everytime I attempted to fight it. I still haven't beaten Omza to this day.

[@TheBlackSeraph]

I've beaten Ozma. Can't say I know how I did it, or why that attempt succeeded when other previous attempts failed but a win's a win.

[@arcnova]

I beat ozma Caht remember how I think it had something to do with reflecting doomsday off vivi ir something

[@THELIFEOFVIEWS1]

Fighting Seymour In FFX Pissed Me Off So Much When I Was Younger, it’s the reason I grind in every rpg I play now

[@xxshadowdevilx527]

Think that's bad I was 4 and started 8 and t rex was bs then and he wasn't even a boss lol

[@starflier]

Even more than the fight itself, I remember being infuriated at the unskippable cutscene every time you restarted the fight!

[@Letssee92]

@@starflier Right!? That battle got on my nerves very quickly.

[@PleaseDontShoveMeUpYours]

I’m so sorry for that. Hope you’re getting the help you need. Post-Traumatic-Video-Game-Disorder is no laughing matter.

[@cowabungaitis6986]

Always grateful that those games always released a strategy guide starting with 7. I read about Ozma and was really lucky, that it never cast meteor and could beat it the first time around.

[@robcotto7081]

What some people haven't realized about Ruby Weapon, is that even if you do the start the battle with one character alive strategy, if you take too long in the fight, it'll cast Whirlsand anyways

[@actuallynotsteve]

Yeah it's been like twenty years but I remember it having a guaranteed instant party ko move that felt RNG to me. I played ff7 for probably hundreds of hours and remember it being the hardest boss in any of them that you were intended to beat.

[@notmyrealname1526]

There was an item for Mog in FF VI that reduced the random encounter rate to 0. Forgot its name, but it was hidden in the room where you recruit him. Made the Cultist Tower a breeze.

[@A-1-Sawce]

Moogle Charm. Loved it.

[@keithlovvorn813]

There is an alternate way to defeat Magi Master that prevents him from using ultima to begin with. Just spam rasp and destroy his mp, when his mp hits 0 he dies and because his mp is 0 ultima fails.

[@cguzmanxx]

or just berserk him

[@Violent_Wolfen]

@@cguzmanxx Even if you do that, he'll still get it out because that happened to me every time until I learned about Life 3 (that's Reraise, but I played the SNES version).

[@cguzmanxx]

@@Violent_Wolfen if you berserk him, he can't cast última on dyng

[@Violent_Wolfen]

@@cguzmanxx Yes he can I've seen it happen every time I've done it and I've been playing the game longer than some folks have been alive. Maybe in a different version he didn't under that effect, but in the SNES version he would do it every time.

[@frankiemcgoo941]

Had several failures through third Seymour, Yunalesca, and Braska’s Final Aeon back in base FFX

[@BirdsOfPlay]

At least you got to watch the cut-scenes again.

[@lordpsi99]

For me, I couldn't get past that boss you fought on Cid's airship.

[@dallascrazy1000]

@@lordpsi99 Evrae the guardian wyrm? Right before Bevelle. That boss is a pain, but at least you get a grinding spot just before hand.

[@nick_995]

@@lordpsi99 the Dragon protector of Bevelle. He's a beast

[@Linkforlife199]

The Seymour Flux battle and Lady Yunalesca were the biggest pain boss battles in that game. So many game overs to those 2.

[@JasonMeditation]

Everyone saying Wiegraf was the reason for multiple saves. Meanwhile I'm way back having 4 saves trying to beat Gafgarrion

[@movespammerguyteam7colors]

Ah, the bosses that have access to your status sheets and reorganizing itself to beat down your teams.

[@cetitanenthusiast776]

For Progenitorial Wrath in FF13, you could switch your Paradigm to have your two non-leaders become Sentinels. This would force them to spam Provoke, which would increase the chance of Orphen targeting them with Progenitorial Wrath instead of the leader. Reviving party members doesn't take too much time, so you can paradigm shift again to get back into the fight pretty quick. Also, Orphen can cast Progenitorial Wrath during Consummate Dark, so there's a chance of Orphen immediately killing you since it *always* begins the fight by shifting stances.

[@cgdavidson]

A friend and I spent so much time overleveling in FFXIII that we just kind of bullied Orphan to death in a couple of minutes.

[@Zelkiiro]

I had no idea Orphan was considered to be a cheap boss because I just ran roughshod over the poor guy with my Lightning/Vanille/Sazh COM/SAB/RAV lineup. Inflicting Poison on Orphan is just supreme cheese. And I wasn't overleveled, either--I saw what Gran Pulse had to offer, decided I didn't want any, and just continued with the main plot.

[@cgdavidson]

@@Zelkiiro I'll drink to that brother. I don't think I'll ever touch that game again.

[@thenamelesshammer8633]

Same. I was overleveled when I fought him too

[@jonathanzimmer725]

i did that in ff2

[@faznanbadri6854]

@@thenamelesshammer8633 how you overleveled? Crystogen is capped until new game+. you grind ultimate weapon?

[@Nynzy]

The Weigraf/Belias fight got me the very way you mentioned as a youngling of 10 years. Since then I use every save slot that a game gives me, just in case~

[@hanniballahr94]

Nynzy Same. That was a rough lesson learned the hard way.

[@rivetcrunch3830]

Ruined my first playthrough as well because I didn't realize spears were available for dragoons right before that fight.

[@shytendeakatamanoir9740]

Wiegraf is why I have never finished Final Fantasy Tactics to this day. The only way I had to defeat it was to overlevel Ramza, so I would have to do so intense grinding session with the rest of the party to face the upcoming challenge.

[@trevonhall7873]

Screw that fight! It literally came to me having a high level lancer with increased speed and dual wielding to beat Wiegraf. If I could luck out and Jump him twice I could kill him as long as I don’t move too far north cause if you do, chances are, the demons are going to overwhelm Ramza

[@wellsbeardog]

I had issues with it at first as well

[@rpgrullz]

Back in the day, at early 2000, i remember spending entire weekend trying to beat weigraf, had to restart the game and do it all over again(apparently only lancer or ninja ramza could do it).

[@omarolive]

Oh, I remember using monk ramza and the earth attack that was long range without moving. Battle ended before wiegraf could approach me.

[@doubleclick4132]

8:30 looks like celes is giving the finger

[@ZenithZircon]

For all of that bs

[@coryfusting9294]

I'm so glad that Wiegraf fight made the list. The first time through I didn't save and was underleveled/underclassed so thus I couldn't beat him and was essentially forced to start over. Auto-Potion with X-Potions did the trick the second go around.

[@erithywen421]

He's actually easy, just have Ramza spam Yell and run around until he gets 3 turns to Wiegraf's one, lol. That's what I did anyway and Velius was a breeze.

[@ostrider3500]

I remember that tactics fight, that was roughhhh. Took me many a try.

[@theerealatm]

Literally the hardest fight in the game

[@komerihimura]

*Opens up video* *Sees Seymour Flux* NO NONONONONONONO

[@thegamebazaar4871]

Where do you fight Seymour Flux?

[@johnherb4243]

@@thegamebazaar4871 on top of Mount Gagazet.

[@thegamebazaar4871]

@@johnherb4243 Oh? I don't remember him being that bad. Maybe I'm just dumb ;)

[@nick_995]

@@thegamebazaar4871 oh he was awful. Him, Yunalesca, and the Dragon protector of Bevelle (last one bc of the extremely sudden difficulty curve)

[@pretty5793]

Lol! Are you my bro? I had it easy with Seymour flux but my brother always got butchered...he hated him so much he refused to play beyond Mt. Gagazet.

[@oDTRAINo]

Seymour 3 was the bane of my existence as a kid and still sometimes gives me trouble to this day. Such a huge spike in difficulty!

[@c.m.9369]

Agree! Although, at least he‘s the boss of a rather tough area, that is a bit of an endurance test. So, at least you can argue that the game gives you a good way of realizing that you might be underleveled early enough.

[@ObeseChess]

Yeah, pretty surprised he only showed up at the beginning. Number one bastard of the whole series IMO

[@Randolorian230]

Casting haste and poison on him is the real trick

[@KaiKrimson56]

He taught me to grind for stoneproof and zombieproof armor in the Calm Lands.

[@Vanth0ny]

Wiegraf 3/ Velius was a nightmare the first time I played Tactics.

[@johnroyston3859]

Ozma was the bane of my existence when I was playing through the first time as a teenager. Years later I went back to play through again and got lucky and beat him - it felt like a giant weight had been lifted off my shoulders 😂

[@Stonezorz]

A bit late, but grats on being worthy of obtaining the Strategy Guide key item 👍

[@crow2661]

The three phases of Yunalesca was a huge kick in the teeth for me. I had no idea what I was getting into. Her third phase was especially infuriating, since she would constantly inflict Zombie on the party

[@05weasel]

Especially with her being a late game boss and you being conditioned for the whole game to remove status ailments as quickly as you could and even her first phase drilling that home with her blind, sleep, and silence counterattacks. Then second phase you get into a good groove of curing of zombie. Then you get her down to one attack left before she goes down, get zombie cured, get everyone on full health, and deal the last blow to enter the third stage strong and boom. Mega-death. Everything you’ve been conditioned to do is wrong. Even the boss fight with Seymour shortly before this had a mechanic that showed you you need to get rid of zombie asap. It’s brilliant in the most annoying way possible.

[@Makingthebullet]

Ozma... I legit did a happy dance when I was a small one and -finally- beat that Jupiter-looking orb.

[@ace-trainer-aj]

Pretty much any Seymour fight I can think of. Even the first battle can catch a lot of players off guard.

[@davidv4018]

While playing 10 i was like superintendent Chamlers: "SEYMOUR!!"

[@sir.raphimrevelator8644]

The first fight was hard.... Then you discover Yuna now has unnamed Shiva on her summon list. I kill Seymour with Diamond Dust everytime.

[@Midknight824]

The second and third fights (especially the third where he can inflict the zombie status) are really hard. Especially for me my first time because I didn’t know about the Zombie status ailment

[@shawnaustin9437]

@@Midknight824 Yeah the whole zombie/full-life combo was pretty cheap. I was surprised it didn't make the list since it was the beginning part of the video.

[@cadas2366]

He had instant kill mechanics in 3 of his 4 fights. Surprisingly the last one was by far the easiest

[@keksimusmaximus8957]

Oooh the rages I had on mt gagazet because of Seymour 😂

[@malheurgerard4228]

Yunalesca knew ppl would s*** on her for using bullshit Mega Death so she had Seymour to share the attention 😂 I was so mad that I had Yuna learned Holy and Lulu with Ultima to blast the two to oblivion

[@danmoore1678]

I remember as a kid, playing Final Fantasy "II" as it was then called on Super Nintendo, the fight against Odin was always so frustrating. Then when I finally beat him, his summon was super useless. 😆

[@Jadizi]

Lmao I know the feeling

[@ericb3157]

in the "land of summoned monsters", there's a library with lots of books. one book says "Odin was only beaten once, when lightning hit his sword." zapping him with Lightning 3 will do 9999 damage to him.

[@GKuriboh]

Magic Master could be "silenced" by using Berserk, preventing it from even casting Ultima.

[@mn12sc35th]

I just fought him again the other day and didn't think about that tactic. I just rasp/osmosed him to death, which took a little time, but had little risk.

[@dragondude9637]

He still used Ultima despite being bezerked.

[@garciafever]

I was going to say that they should have mentioned Vercingetorix from FF13. Even though it is not a main story boss, it is quite formidable, and over time the monster keeps on increasing its attack and amount of turns it will do.

[@mybrainidont]

That seymour line in the beginning goes so damn hard. The way he delivers it with such baffled contempt still sticks with me 20 years later

[@william7546]

last time I played FFT i knew it was coming, and I still got caught, that's how strong he is.

[@TimBitten]

Almost makes abusing the monk class’s broken OP-ness excusable

[@william7546]

@@TimBitten haha it was broken, but squishy early and so you needed a bit of risk until you got the ranged punch

[@damonholderness700]

That fight is hard, but there are two fights id rank above it. Gafgaron final fight when the team gets seperated, and that fucking chocobo fight at the waterfall. That goddam choco-meteor shower gives me nightmares to this day. While the chocobo types are random, I usually end up with an enemy team of mostly red 70+ red Chocobos that wipe my team round one.

[@william7546]

@@damonholderness700 i cheat the gafgarion fight with dragoon high jump, just jump off the rampart to join the team but it does make me feel bad to cheese the fight

[@Sentinel82]

@@william7546 Or, if I remember correctly, you could steal his blood sword. Harmless after that.

[@fearlesscheshirecat1411]

That intro with Seymour takes me back to such simpler times…..not just in my life, but the world in general. God I miss that time in my life.

[@chocobro7]

Glad to see FF3 getting some love, Iron Giant was a nightmare. Great video!

[@Truizify]

Great video! Really loved the usage of footage for all the fights.

[@SeikiRikodou]

FF9 Ozma takes the cake for me back then. His battles are heavily affected by RNG and it can make your life a little more hellish by not knowing you need to finish the friendly monsters quest to allow Ozma to be attacked physically for the first time you encounter him (There's a workaround but still).

[@KillerCornMuffin]

As soon as I saw the title I thought of the FFT Wiegraf fight. Jesus the flashbacks that caused! (An exploit to help is auto-potion with only X-Potions in your inventory.)

[@dathore]

I still remember the 1st time I fought Ozma, I remember it had lvl 5 death (insta kill on any character with a lvl multiple of 5), and it would heal for a crap ton of damage, it took me an entire weekened to kill it.

[@izzyalistair]

I love how you start this with the Mt. Gagazet Seymour fight in the intro, that shit SUUUUUUUCCCKS

[@blainy-o93]

Needs more Midgar Zolom and Seymour Flux. Especially for those playing a blind/first playthrough. The Zolom for just being stupidly powerful the first time you meet him (and didn't bother going to the Chocobo Farm), ejecting party members, and using the beast of an enemy skill Beta. And Seymour Flux for firstly inflicting the zombie status then casting Full-Life immediately after. If you survive that hot mess, there's his other attack which can wipe your whole party out at once. He also casts things like Haste and Protect once you get him to a certain HP gate. And last but not least, that stupidly long cutscene you're forced to sit through beforehand, similar to the Riku fight at the top of Hollow Bastion in KH1.

[@EM-vw7im]

That Wiegraf fight and the boss fight after oof, but actually the that area where you fight the mercenary guy you were with at the beginning of chapter 2.(gallows location) gave me more trouble.

[@Ryu_Makkuro]

I didn't even knew Orphan had that attack xD I just staggered him quickly and the fight was over before it started. Lightning's One Man Army while switching to Cerberus results in hilarious damage and gauge charge. On some clears I got him down to 10% HP before he used the gravity attack. It's genuinely one of the easiest fights in the game if you don't try to poison him to death :P

[@lordpsi99]

THE GAME'S PLAYING ITSELF!

[@jpPID]

I did it completely unprepared and got a 5 star rating first try, this is the type of boss that if you try too much you will end up boning yourself.

[@richardsinclair7661]

@@lordpsi99 Sure, technically it does, but if you just do auto-battle for the entire game, you're going to die A LOT. It's fine for the regular enemies, but when you get to the bosses and super bosses of the game, ability-use and paradigm-shifting becomes extremely important.

[@IIGrayfoxII]

I remember ozmas meteor well. Starts fight Ozma casts Meteor: 9,999dmg to all party members. GAME OVER.

[@Shepic01]

I had a lot of trouble with FF4’s antagonist, Golbez in his first encounter in the Dark World. I was playing the DS version and wasn’t prepared but I was stuck in the dark world so I couldn’t do much to grind. It led to a frustrating fight where Golbez kept changing the logic of the battle in his favor by making attacks heal him and healing items hurt him and then back to the norm. It sounds kind of simple as I say it, but I was also really young and relatively inexperienced in RPG’s.

[@KegOfMeat]

Those two lines of Seymours at the beginning of this video is amazing

[@aether_eyes]

Wiegraf out here teaching us the importance of Auto-Potion.

[@mauystraycat]

ever since final fantasy VIII. Auto-Potion was already a must-need important skill in final boss.

[@fyredust960]

Such an underrated channel ❤ Loved this video and looking forward to more!!!!

[@tommyvercetti9434]

Final Fantasy XII's way of making a boss "hard": Boss: Now I'm invencible for a whole minute and have 500% more attack and 300% more defense, fuck you.

[@Modernsamurai_nj]

Zodiark was driving me crazy with this my last playthrough. I lucked out and killed it with a Quickening Chain right before it became immune.

[@Kyojen]

For Zodiark, I took my 3 strongest attackers and buffed them with Bravery, Haste, Protect, Shell, and Berserk outside of the boss room then swapped to a single sacrificial lamb. Entered the boss room with that one person, had them die to Darkja, swapped in my 3 buffed party members and watched them auto attack Zodiark down in about 10 seconds.

[@G_Rad_Ski]

I got so mad at Orphan killing my team leader while so close to finishing the battle I refused to ever play FFXIII again. I absolutely hated that leader/death mechanic.

[@richardpage2082]

Is it Orphan or Bartandalus that casts doom? I forget, but you have to stagger him to stop it if I remember correctly?

[@RoninXDarknight]

That mechanic isn't one limited to FF either and seriously needs to go away.

[@sosickofitall4588]

G_Rad_Ski good choice. It shouldn’t even have FF on the cover

[@sosickofitall4588]

G_Rad_Ski 👏👏👏 shouldn’t have been a FF game anyway

[@pizzapizza6322]

I only played through FF13 once long ago but I remember the Orphan fight so clearly because of how frustrating it was. Terrible.

[@erikgaither4342]

The one that got me was the second phase (Griever) of the Ultimecia fight in FFVIII because of that attack at the end of the phase that killed everyone instantly if their spirit wasn’t high enough. After realizing that, I spent an hour running through the castle leveling up and trying to get the +20-40% spirit boosts for all my junctions that had it.

[@truindividual]

Meltdown and limit break spamming will kill him quick but thats true

[@BobtheExile]

I actually just beat that fight yesterday. I didn't think it was that difficult. I hit it with Meltdown, then used Triple with Selphie, cast Aura on Squall and Quistis while she had Expend3x1 equipped, then went to town with Limit Breaks. Quistis got KO'd in the last stage of the battle, and I didn't get the chance to revive her in time, so I had to finish the fight with Zell, but it wasn't too bad.

[@dustinswafford9232]

Moogle charm equipped Mog laughs at the "arduous journey" up the cultist tower.

[@Norm-R]

Yeah, Magic Master only ever got you once. I love FF6, my favorite of the FF games, but its definitely a solved fight if everyone equips reflect rings, all you have to do is cast a single life 3 and you can literally put the controller down and walk away while he kills himself.

[@dustinswafford9232]

@@Norm-R It is pretty funny the first time you fight him and be throws out that last gasp ultima though. Overall, I'm way more scared of a random bronto in the dino forest when power leveling. Those guys just throw down ultima whenever they feel like.

[@jasonbell791]

The other way to not die is to kill him by draining his MP with rasp and osmose, which you can do on all the enemies up the tower. If he's out of mana, he'll still try to ultima, but it will fail.

[@RavenWitchShade]

With the Ruby Weapon fight, I'd go in with two of the party dead, revive them as soon as the tentacles are buried, and then just W-Summon Hades/KotR with 2x Mime, drop a megaelixir when it retaliates, and then repeat. Great strat to go with. As for the cheapest one I remember, I'd say Minerva in Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII. Mainly because of that one attack she does that deals a lot of damage. That'd be fine, if not for the fact that when her health got low enough, she'd use it TWICE IN SUCCESSION, giving you no chance to recover. Tried so many strategies and I could never beat her because of that dirty tactic.

[@zaleost]

Orphan infuriated the hell out of me when I first fought against him, I was always pretty much in control of the fight until suddenly my party leader would die instantly without warning. For quite a while I didn't even notice the attack due to how much is normally going on and even after I had no idea how you were expected to avoid it. I had to look up a guild online to see how you were supposed to win the fight a even after using the right party composition and winning I wasn't entirely sure why he never used his instant kill during that attempt. It was only after I though about how it differed from my normal party alignment that it hit me was always using the attack in a situation where two party members were set to the same class he would using it on which ever one was the different class.

[@777SilverPhoenix777]

I have literally never had Orphan ever kill me. I have played the ending many times, and I'm on auto pilot for the whole thing. I didn't even know he could do an instant kill till I watched this list.

[@richardsinclair7661]

@@777SilverPhoenix777 I struggled more with Merciless Judgement than with the attack in this list. Mostly due to fat fingers messing up my paradigm shifting.

[@randumo24]

@@777SilverPhoenix777 Same honestly. I've beat the game a couple times and never had that happen to me. I mean, it is 50/50 to work AND it's 1 in 3 to choose the party leader anyhow.

[@VcassCsoto]

No shout out for Celia and Lettie stoping and instakilling Rafa before anyone even gets a turn? While you are super far away and have a height disadvantage? While Rafa runs INTO the danger? Seriously? At least with weigraf all u needed was the “mettle” ability and time lol

[@michaelgleghorn9779]

For me, it would be Omega from Final Fantasy XV. It takes 1% damage from all weapons except the Royal Arms, which drain your HP when attacking, and lightning magic, which dealt 80% damage. On top of that, it has insanely high stats which can allow it to wipe out a party with postgame gear. And it's attacks do incredibly high damage, and even go through the Magitek attire's shield, which is in my opinion, the go-to attire for tough bosses. But not here. It can also inflict ailments such Confusion and Toad. There is an antenna on it's head, in which resistances don't apply and attacks deal 200% damage. But attack that and it would go into Berserk Mode, where it loses all resistances, but actually becomes immune to the Royal Arms, and will charge around the battlefield, keeping players on their toes. It also had a giant blue laser attack that would bypass the Danger state, outright killing anyone who wasn't wearing Ardyn's Ensemble and at 9999 HP, but even then massive damage would still be dealt.

[@13crystals61]

Items make anything in XV stupid easy, plus if you switch to Prompto you can hide and shoot at it in berserk mode

[@stwida91]

Wiegraf devastated me as a child. I worked so hard to get that far, and of course, fell for the save trap. Had to start all over... a few years later, because I absolutely gave up on the game after that.

[@kyleeanderson161]

I'm going to have to go with Trema from X-2. I spent a whole damn day on him swearing every attempt was my last. Tried looking up strategies none of which really worked before I took some ideas from various strategies and coming with my own before I finally defeated him. Damned worth it too

[@corpuscallosum5862]

I wish they could have made him look more threatening though :D It was strange to loose to such a weak looking and "generic" character design over and over again.

[@user-nl1ge8rk2n]

Major Numerus from FF X-2 is 100 times harder than Trema ^^

[@3crazygam]

Chac, then in that case. Just getting passed Chac has been impossible for me.

[@Spectrumage444]

Ruby weapon strat: beat Emerald Weapon first, take master summon materia, link with HP absorb, plenty of HP-Up and MP-Up, max Barrier and Time materia. Use W-Item for plenty of Elixirs. Go into battle with only Cloud and two other members down. Attack only with KoTR. HP absorb fully heals you at the end of each cast and wall stops half of ultima damage. Refresh wall and haste as they run out and spend a turn on an elixir or max ether when you need MP back. No final attack-revive/Phoenix required. You literally can’t lose unless you get distracted and don’t keep up with the fight.

[@BigRedOmegaInTheDesert]

Just went in with Tifa and mauled ruby weapon by accident, while I was looking for guides on FF2 to avoid boredom...didn't realise he was vunerable to massive damage when your stats are maxxed out though it was straight forward with a ribbon equipped.

[@rd-um4sp]

I was replaying FFT recently and as soon as I got to Riovanes there was only one thing in my mind: "That is why I have an obsession with multiple game saves"

[@Exeternal_Beyonder_Of_Doomsday]

Yazmiat: in 3 2 1 Player: Game Over Yazmiat: there it is

[@BigGahmBoss]

I always thought Emerald Weapon was harder than Ruby. Mind you, I say this because I have a strategy for Ruby. I have one for Emerald, too. But it takes WAY longer to prepare and doesn't always guarantee a victory

[@xeskoxesko6300]

for emerald you need to go with some matery slots unequiped then when he does his super damage dont make 9999

[@BigGahmBoss]

@@xeskoxesko6300 I know. I said I have a strategy for emerald. And as I said, the strategy doesn't guarentee victory

[@Celerian]

For Ruby, I always went into the battle with 2 characters dead. The living character first job was to cast Pheonix as raise the party memebers after he burrowed his tentacles, bypassing Whirlsand. I also found that if you could find the item Dazers, it was one of the only things that could keep Ruby stunned. So using the W-Item materia, you could clone Dazers until you had a full stack, and then attempt to keep Ruby stunned while you had other players casting things like KotR and Mime.

[@DazedAlligator]

Yeah back in the day as a kid I had no understanding of how it all worked. Found emerald a nightmare to beat cos I assumed Aire tam storm always hit everyone for 9999 no matter what. Had cloud with Phoenix final attack but I had limited casts obviously, so had to kill him before that point

[@XenBass]

Wiegraf... I struggled there so much the first time. Basically use one party member as bait for his Cyclops summon, make them stand alone and away from the party when they are targeted by it. Kill the demons asap, then pound on Wiegraf's zodiac form. Revive party member if they go down to Cyclops. The Riovanes encounter has a part 3... after defeating him, you end up on the roof of the castle, where an AI-controlled NPC has to be saved (their death causes game over) from Elmdor and his two assassins Celia and Lede. Thing is, the AI is dumb and stays to fight from a distance, instead of running back to your party. Due to the climbing required to get up there, the NPC is nearly guaranteed to die to the onslaught of those three....unless Elmdor's sword spirit (samurai) skill manages to inflict Confuse on the NPC. Only then will they ignore the NPC and go for your party instead. Talk about cheap bs mechanics...

[@tiagocosmos]

Oh, Zodiark. I ALMOST died right after i finally beat him on my second try. Henne Mines is not for the faint of heart. Also, Wiegraf... I was so overpowered by the time i got to him i was actually disappointed with the fight and the rooftop battle. It was so easy i laughed.

[@davidv4018]

The first battles of fft were really hard, the final ones were really easy.

[@jimnpen8451]

Tactics was too easy. Exploiting super monk made the game a wLk in the park..

[@shawnaustin9437]

I remember always having flare ready and he always died from that in one shot. Really after that fight and u get the holy knight dude the game becomes a cakewalk.

[@davidv4018]

@@jimnpen8451 but that is more middle to end game. The first story fights; and it was also hard to just level up, because the random fights also we're pretty hard.

[@jimnpen8451]

@@davidv4018 ill admit the first playthrough wasnt easy.

[@virtualbunksie5117]

What about gafgarion in the execution of agrias or alma can't remember, didn't know you could travel through

[@aspieatheist6040]

The Magic Master from FF VI wasn't too hard. You could berserk him or just use non-elemental magic against him.

[@caetanolunardi3429]

The Magic mMster problem was never to defeat him as he only cast elemental magics and have mediocre defenses. The cheap shot of the developers was making him cast Ultima when defeated as you have no way to avoid it since Runic and Jump are not selectables. Your only soluction is: 1- cast Reraise on party (need the Phoenix magicite) 2- cast Palidor summon at the right time to make the party jump. 3- have a party with more than 6k hp. 4- make him waste his 50k mp. Since no one have this much hp in his ff6 run outside of specific grindings and the Phoenix magicite is in a hiden dungeon that you probably miss in your first gameplay, the casual player most of the time could not defeat this boss with no external help.

[@caseysmith7283]

Depends on the version. The US 3 had a coding error that made most bosses vulnerable to berserk. Later releases fixed the exploit

[@LilyKazami]

Also, he is one of very few enemies in the game that dies when their magic runs out.

[@jasonfell4321]

You can also rasp and osmose him into oblivion. As stated when his mp ran out he died (same for all enemies in this area) plus then he couldn't cast Ultima.

[@TopherTanuki91]

The magic master isn't hard just make sure to cast Repraise before he casts Ultima.

[@tiredgamerdad]

Fun fact: you can beat Ruby and Emerald without needing to press a button if you have the right combo of mastered materia.

[@danielfarnell2665]

Great list, makes me want to pick up some of the older FF games that I’m yet to venture into. This list could very easily be followed up with a “cheapest non-bosses” tonberry and marlboro anyone?

[@MattrickBT]

Double Raktavija in FF13 can go suck a fuck.

[@qualityqueen1553]

raspatil from 13-2

[@Adrian-qr6gk]

@@MattrickBT double raktavija is one i haven't won to this day but i got a bad habit of just using brute force in FF13. I'm gonna beat that mission with an actual plan and equipment that helps me.

[@MattrickBT]

@@Adrian-qr6gk it all about patience. You need to figure out a strategy to whittle one down by staggering while not letting the other whittle you down. If I remember correctly, don't be afraid to use one being staggered to heal and buff. Also I think it's all about trying to get them to sync up more if possible so you have less chance of losing your stagger meter. Been awhile though!

[@dantedisbrow3987]

At the beginning of the video that has to be my favorite quote from any final fantasy game

[@Jdogrey1]

I am really surprised he did not have the Seymour battle where he deleted your summons.

[@victorylane2377]

That one is easy. Just have them in overdrive before the battle. They get one move so make it count. Also wait until closer to the end to use them. Of course I learned this by dying more than a few times but still. Lol

[@Loctorak]

I don't recall finding any of the Seymour fights to be difficult.

[@robinthrush9672]

I'm glad Bellias made the list. His was the only fight I remembered over a decade after I'd last played it in the 90s.

[@Sentinel82]

Some bosses on Xenogears would put you through the trials of hell it felt like....

[@Zelkiiro]

Yeah, for the longest time, I could never beat Xenogears. I got to Deus + the four orbs and could never maintain enough Fuel to win the battle.

[@mammothslayerentertainment8260]

xenogears doesn't get any love. that game is a masterpiece.

[@Sentinel82]

@@mammothslayerentertainment8260 Very much so. I would kill for some sort of remaster to update the graphics and get rid of any bugs.

[@SuperSillyKitten]

Surprised that you didn't mention the original version of Omega from FFV. All of his attacks hit like a truck, he has permanent reflect, and a 95% physical evasion rate. He's the only boss that has a level greater than 99 (the supposed level cap). But the real problem is... "encircle". Everytime you hit him, he has a chance to cast "Encircle", erasing one of your party members from existence, and removing them for the rest of the fight. There is no cure, there is no limit... He can do it four times and its game over. The only way to avoid it completely, is to have a chemist make "Dragon's Kiss" to grant immunity to it. (So if you don't know about that, or have the ingredients , or you're doing a challenge run without chemist, enjoy randomly losing party members) Technically, you can beat him in 3 turns, but only if you know exactly what you are doing, and have really prepped for the fight. For first time players or Fiesta runs? Your ass is getting un-existed. And the real kick in the Balthiers? He's in a narrow hallway you need to pass through in the final dungeon. Walking around with a random pattern.

[@chriswinkler284]

I saw what looked liked Ruby Weapon in the thumbnail and I HAD to like :D

[@danielcook7975]

If you have ffvii for switch get cloud to level 65 make sure you have bahamut and Odin materia with two or three stars, have Ultima weapon and omnislash also the minute you enter the fight against Ruby immediately turn on battle enhancement mode, you might still die but you have a much better chance of survival also make sure you have a hero drink and use it to raise attack power, also when the tentacles appear omnislash them first then omnislash Ruby and repeat. Also make sure you have at least one or two hp plus materia equipped it will raise your health up significantly still be careful when I did it with every comet2 Ruby casts it almost killed me but luckily I had battle enhancement on otherwise do the normal way and that is get to level 75 or so and have the proper materia and shit on oh and make sure you have ribbon equipped too.

[@peterpetrarca4691]

Love your content! Id would be so amazing if you made a ff xiv video about what main line series the bosses come from. its really intresting

[@Omizuke]

What I truly hate are scripted loss, or scripted HP wall. That you could wreck the boss and they'd still beat you. That really piss me off.

[@Mavuika_Gyaru]

Yunalesca stage 3 did not play fair. She turns your whole team into zombies and unless you were using a guide, that was killing you

[@resurxtion7362]

I made the mistake of healing zombie status and she hit my whole party with that death spell that targets everyone

[@rpggaming8950]

Right! Then you have to watch that like 10 minute cut scene all over again lol

[@Shadowultd]

I h8 phase 3. On my first playthrough she used mega-death which hit everyone... so yeah that was fun. Ever since I tend to keep my aeons to deal with her bullcrap.

[@davidv4018]

I love ffx, one of my favourites. But also, one of the most frustrating at parts. The gameplay had some newness to it: it was all about resolving the situation at the moment. Instead of "die, prepare, try again", it was "you find this enemy, change your party members (and equipment) at the moment, rework your strategy while ongoin and defeat your enemy"; but somehow, the game most challenging (not optional) bosses relied on this cheap move: "die, prepare, try again"; it is frustrating when a game makes itself difficult by going against the mechanics it taught you in the first place. Also: the 2 bosses that instant ko your whole party are the ones that come after an unskippable and super long cutscene.

[@RobSomeone]

First playthrough, didn't even notice her. Second, absolute hell. I have no idea what went so wrong.

[@Wonderpalm1979]

I got Lucky 7s on Emerald Weapon in 98 and it remains as the greatest thing that's ever happened to me.

[@KlausiboyZ]

I feel like it's kinda fair that Ozma's behaviour adapts to your setup. After all, how many of us don't look up a guide before fighting a super boss and then adjust our setup to gain whatever advantages we can? Ozma is just doing the same, fighting accordingly to his opponent. Everything else about him is kinda cheep tho

[@TGCidolfus0830]

I think a good way to discuss cheap bosses from the MMOs would be to only include story progression fights or just initial difficulty fights so you can exclude the extreme/savage ones, this would remove the obviously cheap mechanics of super bosses. (Yeah im looking at you shinryu and the people rage quitting it to this day when i get it from a roulette) that way, you can add ozma to your list yet again

[@andresrangel1622]

Omega Weapon, Final Fantasy 8 Unholy Bastard!.

[@ergheiz1245]

Thats the one I still havent beat without cheese

[@chaosstorm8307]

Omega is pretty easy actually. Junction death to you're status defense junction and get some holy wars. If you mod Gilgamesh he will give you 10 if I remember correctly. If you beat the cc group earlier in the game, they will be on Ragnarok on disc 4 and every time you mod a rare card, the card will reappear in a cc members hand. Xu can give you every card back except the rare cards you obtained from the qoc quest. Anyway all in all there is quite a few ways to make your characters op. I just personally enjoy an invincible party wrecking weapon.

[@Kaakashi666]

@@chaosstorm8307 You dont need all of this to kill. Just use Aura in Zell and meltdown in Omega. Let Zell do his job with his limit break and the others 2 party members healling/casting full life. GG

[@chaosstorm8307]

@@Kaakashi666 meh to much extra that way imo. Just Mod Gilgamesh once and you don't even have to get the card back on disc 4 (if ya don't want to) 10 holy wars is plenty to kill ultima and or omega weapon. You get an invincible party so you can just focus on dishing out damage no need to heal/revive. But in the end it's moot, people just play games differently so they can enjoy the experience.

[@NoName-md6fd]

Didn't beat it, but he has a pattern though. Meteor Megido flame Gravija Terra Blast Medigo does 9998 damage to the party, but he casts Meteor before hand, Terra blast is blockable with defend. Basically : Recovery Meteor Recovery Megido Defend Terra Blast. Then all the annoying attacks are off for a while.

[@8-bithitz387]

Saw the video title... Saw that opening with Seymour and got PTSD. I broke 2 controllers Because of THAT fight 😑 great vid!

[@truindividual]

I always used the Moogle Charm with Mog so I can get to the Magic Master and one of the dragons with very little headache. So the Cultists tower is easy

[@balsamon69]

I did pretty much the same thing, but with spamming Ultima when it comes to the boss itself, so that he would not have time to cast it.

[@coryfusting9294]

Casting Berserk on the Magi Master totally shuts down his strategy. Even gives time to cast Life3 on everyone.

[@balsamon69]

@@coryfusting9294 woah, i didn't know that! Thanks for the tip, pal!

[@truindividual]

@@coryfusting9294 very smart strat

[@jessegifford7913]

@@coryfusting9294 I was very surprised they didn't mention that. He's a total chump if you use that strat.

[@lysanderxx1664]

The idea of crazy hard story bosses, MMO or otherwise, sounds interesting. The ones you posted that you must fight are the craziest because of their necessity. Great video, though!

[@8bitKatwalk]

legend of dragoon last boss would take an hour to beat and he had like 5 forms. 2 in which he could utterly destroy you

[@lardzapper3000]

Melbu Frahma!

[@ajaverill08]

I remember being stuck on wiegraf for so long when I first played tactics.

[@rpggaming8950]

I tried to beat omza but I literally died in like 2 seconds I will face him again just actually started a new ff9 game just cuz that's one of my favorite games of all time but only on disk 2 atm

[@sad6549775]

I played the game without internet access at the time but managed to complete 95% of the game without researching hidden items. There are no other FF game that you can do that prior or future releases. That is one of the reason I would say it was great. No stupid extremely random chance items like FF12 etc. Anyways, when i faced off, I went way too early. Like level below 35. The easiest way I did it is frog drop, dragon crest, shock and money thing from Zidane. Good luck

[@ManEaterBrainBug]

I have defeated Ozma with relativ ease and i can tell you: Key is getting the Mace of Zeus for Vivi and to equip your party with Pumice Pieces. That way, you can cast Doomsday to deal insane dmg to Ozma while fully healing your party.

[@reed3863]

Leave one person in the party vulnerable to dark element, one vulnerable to lv5 death, one vulnerable to lv4 holy, and hope for the best. It will cycle through its abilities fairly well if you have those setting above. Meteor and Curse in the beginning will just wreck any setup you have anyway so...good luck!

[@sad6549775]

Mace and pumice make it too easy. I removed that stuff just to make it challenging. With the method above, which is even easier, you can end it in 4 turns

[@kn9926]

I've found magic hammer works because it drains Ozma's MP. Doesn't make the thing helpless, but does seem to help your party out and limit O's portfolio of attacks. Mixing status defenses up among party members helps too. This is a generally underrated game. The side quests (like this one) are all great.

[@ChicagoRetroGamer]

I just finally beat the Ruby Weapon battle for the first time ever, and unless you have a ton of copies of mime and counter, and maybe KOTR, it is a straight up endurance challenge. Props on the video!

[@DOC_951]

Every molboro is incredibly cheap and annoying in all FF games. Though, not a boss (usually). How many times have you gone hours without saving, and then run into a molboro and every party member gets hit with sleep, blind, poison, and confuse... you can only watch helplessly as your party members painfully kill each other and themselves 😭

[@davidv4018]

I have nightmares with Bad Breath.

[@ace-trainer-aj]

I had a very traumatic experience in X inside the Omega Ruins. I managed to defeat Ultima Weapon and one step before reaching the Save Sphere I get ambushed by a Great Malboro.

[@TheLastWanderingBard]

@@ace-trainer-aj Yes I was just about to comment the Malboro from Omega Ruins. Of all the appearances across the entire franchise, that was the worst Malboro. It meant you pretty much had to find a way to guarantee yourself the first turn. Either that or rely on Ribbon armor, but if you were at that point with your characters you were probably way past Omega Ruins.

[@gilliganallmighty3]

You open the video with my favorite boss from my favorite game. Seymour Flux was a fun fight.

[@truindividual]

I am glad to know I defeated Ozma a few times

[@BirdsOfPlay]

I've only beaten Ozma one time but I'm starting a new play-through of FF9 so I might be in for seconds.

[@misschieflolz1301]

I only came here to see Ozma. Like, it stomped my party before I even had a full ATB when I first entered the battle with meteor.... but I was prepared for that kinda going on pure statistics. 16:51 - is a thing I exploited and I theoretically won with only 3 command inputs, not something I'd ever try and emulate. For those interested, my party was as follows: ZIdane, Freya, Vivi and Amarant. Yes, it's crazy going in with no dedicated healer but too many people don't give Amarant the time of day. Between him, and Freya, plus auto haste and regen, you shouldn't need to cast healing spells which left me with my original idea: have Amarant cast Aura repeatedly until it's not required.... and have Revive on the back burner. If anyone died, they'd automatically revive, and since Amarant can replenish his own HP/MP a little, the skills are cheaper in MP than using white mages, plus he can deal damage. But aside from that there's also a skill that he and Vivi share in common which I wanted to explot: RETURN MAGIC. Return Magic is a magical counter-attack support skill. The fun part is that if you get lucky, they stack. They also immediately interrupt any enemy turns. So.... this is what happened: I had all skills set, as many status ailments accounted for and most importantly reduce or absorb the damage dealt by Shadow elements (Holy element protection is useful, but not nearly as much) >Battle Starts >Ozma: Casts Doomsday immedately. FUCK. Oh right, I absorb that so it does nothing or heals my party. >Amarant & Vivi: Both use Return Magic and cast two consecutive Doomsdays. > Vivi: Enters trance, I finally get to input my first command. > Vivi in trance: Casts Doomsday Twice. > Me: welll fuck it we go for broke. >Ozma: Trying to heal > ZIdane: Casts Thievery >Ozma: Casts holy.... hurts but no one dies >Freya: Casts Dragons Crest. >Ozma: Dies.