70lb vs 80lb Draw Weight Mathews Lift | 80lb Bow Review

[@bartlawhorn2762]

Been shooting archery for over 55 years and about every 25 years the 80# and saddle harness debates stir up again.

[@brendanwood5243]

The real question is, why is it a debate?

[@alecnichols3700]

​@@brendanwood5243people are selling crap

[@voxpopuli905]

@@brendanwood5243yup. Better is better. That simple. If ya ask me, it’s the pussys who can’t pull 80 pounds who try to debate this stuff

[@207backwoods]

Could you do at 60 pound and 70 pound comparison so us with shoulder problems

[@justinmahan7860]

I did it with my hoyt and it was about 10 to 15fps slower depending on arrow weight

[@landenmorris2421]

@@justinmahan7860what is your arrow weight

[@justinmahan7860]

​@landenmorris2421 one was 386 and the other 406. I stand right up on my chrono. The 386 was 295 at 70.8 then 285 at 65. The 406 bout the same. 288 then 282 at 65. Didn't do 60lb

[@michaelcolthart4006]

You don’t “need” 70 to kill anything in North America, but a more energy never hurts…..’Murica!

[@itzwade]

Nice job on the video. I’d love to see you guys do a battle of the 80 pound bows. RVX 4 in particular

[@raycooper931]

I'm 52 glad to see the 80 pound bow years ago I used a 92 pound I just like the pounds using the 75 pound phase 4 currently. My local archery shop is davenport's archery and they carry mathews so that's what I shoot there a really great bow .thanks for the video.

[@robertvanderlick2906]

I'm shooting 75 mods at 80% let off, 5mm axis nock on arrow at 515 total weight, 28 draw length putting out 277fps, extremely accurate love these arrows . Was shooting 4mm easton long range at 445grs at 295fps but they would not shoot my deadmeat broadheads not sure why so I switched to 5mm 4 fletching arrows slowed me down some but dead on with broadheads

[@HBOutdoors_]

Man it’s crazy how very little specs change a lot. I was able to get 322 fps at 80lbs with a 445 grain arrow at 29.5 inches of draw length. Not bashing or bragging I just like to share my info and setup. For people that don’t believe me I have a KZbin shorts video showing everything

[@AustinRiggleman]

That's My exact set up I shoot 305 fps at 70# with a 430 grain arrow. I've been debating going to 80#. I want to shoot 450 grain.

[@HBOutdoors_]

@ do it

[@highcountryadventures9606]

Nice video. Im currently shooting a 90lb apa king cobra xr 715gr arrow at 275 fps. With a 29" draw length. I am a heavy arrow kind of guy and i like shooting heavy arrows fast. I appreciate videos on heavier draw weight bows

[@JohnNeedham-zk5ms]

Dang I’ve been debating buying a 90# cobra I wonder how fast it will shoot close to 450gr arrow at 28. Dl . Your KE is insane I bet

[@omm7763]

I personally like 65 pounds. And at 50 yards I usually get1 10. I'm now shooting the Matthews lift 29.5. And I really like this bow. It is small and it has given me a challenge. But there's nothing wrong with it. I need to tune my steadiness length with the back wall. I've been shooting for over 40 years, and this is the only bow that is not carbon fiber that now I have fell in love with! I do personally like the carbon fiber. But man, the 29.5 is the smallest and most forgiven. I am using 12 inch stabilizer out front and the 8 inch stabilizer veered off on the back.

[@josephdipietro8367]

I currently shoot 70lbs and I appreciate the videos.

[@jasoncourchaine3685]

I shot 80lbs for years, dropped down to 70lbs ten years ago on my elk and moose bow and down to 60lbs on my deer and black bear hunting bow. 80lbs is awesome when your young and strong, but as you get into your forties you better consider your shoulders. That said I didn't loose much speed going to a 70 pounder, I just went with a faster bow, smaller BH, now im shooting a pse omen EC2, its fast and smooth

[@transgenderedmuhammad8817]

Most people who say you don’t need 80lbs, haven’t actually shot 80lbs. It’s not much of a difference compared to 70lbs. These new bows make drawing 80lbs feel like older bows at 70lbs. 80lbs all the way!

[@paulkysar6207]

Pulling 80lbs feels like pulling 80lbs, nothing can change this fact. Some people say their pack makes the load feel lighter..... Nope.

[@transgenderedmuhammad8817]

@@paulkysar6207 You obviously haven’t pulled one of the new ones back then clown

[@gandalf2256]

​@paulkysar6207 dumb comment. Sounds like you need to pick more bows up. The pack analogy is garbage too.

[@transgenderedmuhammad8817]

@@paulkysar6207 You’ve never pulled back 80lbs on these new bows have you?

[@FrankDog-d5r]

@@transgenderedmuhammad8817 when the animals start wearing body armor, I'll consider a higher poundage. Till then, one thing hasn't changed is that the children will continue to act as children in the playground till they get hurt and run home to mommy, or just quit.

[@eriklocker1408]

Just ordered a mathews lift 33 with 80 pound mods!! Probably won't see it until July 😂😂, but worth it. Love your channel 💪💪

[@JohnNeedham-zk5ms]

What I got mine on launch day

[@Minnesotalife]

I have a 2012 Hoyt rampage sitting at 83.26 lbs & I get 287 fps with a 470 grain arrow. I also hunt in Minnesota & I don’t have a problem with it in the cold.

[@heroestrainingsystems1068]

Great video. Currently shooting a 700g at 31.5”DL at 250fps 75# and silent with the Atlas. Shot a 33” Lift a couple days ago at 70# and was very impressed. Adding a bow to the rack with 80# mods sounds exciting.

[@extremeoutfitters]

Let’s go!

[@JohnNeedham-zk5ms]

I’ve shot 80# sense 15 because I couldn’t afford a new bow and the old bows there was a lot of 80# bow due to aluminum arrows . Now I work at a bow shop tuning bows I got tired pinched a neck nerve a 62# bow almost ruined my season from bad posture

[@mussersbowsboatsandscience6610]

80lb bows have really become popular, they were hard to find at one time!

[@Lexidezi225]

I’m shooting a 60 lb bow with 510 grain arrows at 260 fps. Before hunting season I’ll up my draw weight to 65 or so and can get even more. When you have a 31” draw length you don’t need the higher draw weight to get the same speeds lol.

[@dhodgkiss]

I love my bow. I am shooting a Mathews monster MR6 30.5 inch draw and 80 lbs. I live out west and want my arrow to shot extremely flat and have the highest energy I can. Im lucky to hunt elk every year.

[@gordonneverdies]

I've been thinking about switching to a 50 lb bow lately. I just love being able to draw super slow and easy when hunting.

[@JohnNeedham-zk5ms]

80# just saved my tail 426gr with a mega meat deer turned as I shot . I hit in front of the scapula broke a blade on it exit was out the liver . Biggest buck to date on south ga public land . Hard to do it was hard to pull when buck fever hit plus slight rain metal thumb button was hard to grip

[@JamesDavis-x8n]

I shoot on older pse persion series 1000c compound bow is a whisker biscuit holder good for this bow set at 60 pounds and draw length at 30 inches

[@zachniverson8816]

They marginally slow the arrow and affect flight. Most would tell u to run a good drop away

[@david.6040]

How much does adding a inch of draw length increase speed typically?

[@jroutdooradventures]

About 10 feet

[@gabrielhouston5660]

Love your videos! Simple yet informative!! Keep it up!

[@extremeoutfitters]

Thanks for checking us out

[@bluelinewhitetails6205]

Good shit. Been looking for this info. Thank you.

[@extremeoutfitters]

Thanks for watching!

[@poppasmurf15]

If you are buying a lift, make sure you shoot several bows on their shelf… My lift 33 shot 291 at 68.5lbs 28” 425gr There’s more speed available than is shown in this video

[@krisaunedi4920]

Right big dog cool review and I can understand what your trying to tell us all here that there is a difference when you change draw weight on your compound bow. Can I ask you is that what would you consider a good draw weight for being efficient for hunting anything in north America. Again great information and work that you do and keep up the great work you do. Full respect for you buddy!!!😊

[@alecnichols3700]

Historically a majority of bows from the tribes on the America's almost never went about 60lb most were closer to 30lb if you want to hunt everything in north America you can with a 50lb compound bow

[@-SkiDz-]

For reference my bow shoots a 600 grain arrow around 160fps hard to believe ive had several clean pass throughs on indiana deer.

[@sticks0012]

Buddies dad was a smaller gentleman and bow hunted his whole life.He tuned our bows when we were kids.He pulled 80 lbs up into his seventies.Mind you the let off was alot less back in the day.He had several aluminum arrows that were stacked. Best shot in camp by far.

[@jordanpowell228]

Love hearing about guys like that. They will become less and less common as time goes on

[@extremeoutfitters]

Love it!

[@antiquebowieknifechannel4611]

I couldn’t get back 80 lbs in a bow press! 😂

[@extremeoutfitters]

haha

[@stephengatley8144]

I've shot the SX80 & VTM 34 @80lb & they were soo smooth it felt easy. My V3X 33 is a fkin monster at 75lb soo aggressive!. 80lb is bow dependant some easy some mongrel!

[@DAMITBANDIT]

It's not how much you can draw in a single cycle....it's how long can you hold at full draw? That's going to be different for everyone. I would say I could draw an 80lb bow but I couldn't hold as long and remain accurate while at full draw. Shoot whatever draw weight you want.....but make sure if you have to draw and hold, you can still make an accurate shot after holding for a bit. Check your left-off on your bow and do the math to see what your hold weight is.

[@Lexidezi225]

I’m shooting a 60 lb bow with 510 grain arrows at 260 fps. Before hunting season I’ll up my draw weight to 65 or so and can get even more. When you have a 31” draw length you don’t need the higher draw weight to get the same speeds lol. But more power to ya if your neck and shoulder can handle 80 90 lbs then shoot it man!! I know I load my 7mm mag until the belt is expanding 5 thousandths 😂

[@493Jester]

I tried my best to use an 80# bow. It sent me down range at about 300 ft/sec. I would like to say that it was a success but I hit the rest on the way down.

[@joshvanderley6277]

Lift 33. 75# 30” draw 533 grains 281 FPS

[@stephengatley8144]

My 75 lb V3X @30 is lobbing 540 grain arrows at 283fps with over 95ft-lbs more than enough for cape york buffalo!.

[@joelbetcher92]

I shot the 29.5 @ 30” and 80# with a 420grain arrow and got 322fps, screamer

[@ljavier09]

I like your review and I'm Curious if you can tell if there is a difference in the feel of the draw cycle between the 29.5" and the 33" lift at the 80lb mods. If one feels more resistance than the other, or one is easier to pull? My draw is 28" and am currently at 70lbs. I can easily handle 72lbs from my Mathews v3 31. I'm looking really hard at the lift and trying to decide between the 29.5" or the 33" with either the 75lb or 80lb mods and can go either one honestly with my style of hunting and shooting. Am looking for kinda a sweet spot of ease of draw and speed. Thanks for any input or suggestions.

[@extremeoutfitters]

The 33 is not as stiff as the 29.5 at 80lbs. The 33 is definitely more forgiving feeling

[@ljavier09]

Thanks, much appreciated!@@extremeoutfitters

[@whenwineruledchina4536]

Early Chinese were said to use 135 pound pull weight bows. Is this possible? They hunted rhinocerous, tiger, and buffalo and needed power. Any guestimate on velocity? I have no idea of arrow weight and length.

[@gunfumaster1024]

I mean historically, English Longbows could be anywhere between 90-190lb draw weights. Problem is, arrows were heavier back then, probably around 1000 grains just because technology was more crude, and also power delivery on anything that isn't a compound bow isn't great. A compound bow with the same draw weight and draw length as a recurve bow will always be significantly more powerful, and a recurve is already a (strictly speaking) performance upgrade on a straight-limbed bow. I think Mongolians also had heavy draw weight recurve bows, anywhere between 100-170lb draw weights, so I'm sure the early Chinese had some version of heavy draw weight war bows.

[@gunfumaster1024]

I wouldn't expect any of the arrows to exceed 200fps after doing some quick math. Granted, they most likely have tons of stopping power because arrow shafts were like half an inch thick, and they put nasty broadheads or whatever combat tips on there.

[@therealsehrlich]

Interesting information, thanks for posting this. Like others have requested I would be curious to see the 60 to 70 pound comparison and even the 50 to 60 pound comparison. Almost bought a Lift 29.5, and still am very interested but I got an offer to buy a carbon bow I couldn't refuse. lol I may still pick up the lift though.

[@extremeoutfitters]

Coming soon!

[@pennyontrack]

@@extremeoutfittersthank you

[@josephacker5716]

Hows the APA King Cobra DG 100lb bow?

[@ryanwells5524]

Its usually always been the guys that cant pull 80 lbs that make those lame comments lol I’m 52 now and can still pull it if I need to!

[@extremeoutfitters]

💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻 let’s go!

[@Stickbow1980]

I make those " lame" comments and I smoke wild game with a #50 recurve. I have a 72# recurve at 28" and I've watched several of my buddies fold trying to hit anchor and shoot it with any type of consistency. Then my 6'3 170lb sting bean a$$ grabs it and starts hitting cheerios at 20 yards shot after shot and watch the jaws drop....lol

[@KkeshavvRaastogi-cq5hl]

Most Organised To The Point and Genune on You tube . Thanks sir . 👍👍👍👍

[@michaelrobindon9812]

In most cases every bow will shoot roughly 2 fps per every pound of peak weight that you add.

[@Hunting_306]

Test the speed at different distances. 30, 40 & 50 yards.

[@Bowsonthebrain]

It would very depending on the vanes and how much helical or offset each of those vanes has, because the drag would be different for all of them. I guess they could try it with a bare shaft

[@acmontoya69]

Where can you get the tool you held in your hand to measure the draw weight? Is it reliable or do you need to have an arrow in when you use it? Thank you!

[@fulldrawassassins]

Lancaster Archery Last Chance Hand Held Scale Yes, because if the D-loop broke, you'd dry fire the bow. The arrow prevents a dry fire event.

[@jarredmeadows8160]

Do a 80lb Mach 30, it’ll upset those Mathew’s fans. Smoother draw and faster.

[@JustinMussen]

And no where near as stable and not much faster. And ugly as hell. Risk of chipping carbon. The lift holds 10x better than the Mach 30. Shot them both on launch day. Left with a 29.5 lift

[@jarredmeadows8160]

To each their own. My thinking was the complete opposite, I had every intention of going in and walking out with a lift and for me the lift draws like a brick.Didn’t see the hype but glad it works well for you 🤘🏼

[@critter852004]

I was always curious the difference in FPS with a 70 lbs in comfort compared to a 60 lbs bow in performance with a Bowtech

[@morder1965]

5/10

[@nathanwebb4784]

Any idea what speeds I’d see with a 27.5 inch draw shooting the 75 pound mods with a 430gr arrow? My current setup is 436gr @280fps. Trying to get more speed!

[@nathanswede1788]

Do this with rx8 pls

[@extremeoutfitters]

Coming soon!

[@Matt-jl8xf]

Problem is there are WAY too many people these days that are over bowed. I see it all the time. People struggling to draw smoothly, but just because they "can" get it back, they think its fine, but their form and shot suffers severely. Their ego gets in the way of building an accurate shot with good form. If you can draw 80 lbs smoothly and then shoot 60-100 arrows in a range session, then by all means go for it... and I don't want to hear "but I only need 1 shot for hunting" ... if that's how you think, get a crossbow because you owe the animal you are shooting at to be proficient and accurate with you bow, and that means being extremely comfortable with your bow, which means being able to draw it and shoot it for 60+ arrows in a session. Where you hunt also plays a role. Out west I might push it a little bit, but where I hunt, 70lbs is more than enough for anything. 60lbs is even plenty. Being accurate is waay more important than drawing heavy weight but can only shoot 8" groups. Thats my rant on the matter anyways. The more people shooting bows, the better. I just like to see people build solid fundamentals and get concerned with how many people I see that are over-bowed these days.

[@patrickcox8990]

People with lives aren't shooting 100 arrows at the range

[@gregb699]

Not that impressive. I'm getting 304fps with a 430 gr arrow out of my 5 year old Elite Option 6 at 70lb and a 29in draw thought the speeds would be a lot faster at 80lb

[@kaidgorringe120]

I've heard a lot of manufacturers say that the technology available today has pretty much maxed out speed on bows. There are a lot of other compromises that need to happen if you want to push an arrow faster, including accuracy, noise, longevity of the system, and so on.

[@jxhkb]

Making videos on 80# mods, but not available for customers online.

[@extremeoutfitters]

They sell out quick

[@stevestoddard4491]

I actually picked up a pair online at extremeoutfitters. Keep trying they do exist. Thank you for what you do.

[@edcopeland9373]

1o pound increase for 20 fee per second speed

[@MaxxHDROM]

do you need it? no... but its AMERICA.. hehehe love it

[@jakecarter1160]

So ... 333ish ibo at 435 and 70 with a crappy draw? No thanks! I shot one the other day and it felt stiff and humpy to me.

[@tonyviers-de9qi]

I don’t shoot 80 and I don’t recommend it . But , good video , some guys just love to push the limits .

[@JoelMartinez-us2ko]

Idk what American that don’t like speed

[@FrankDog-d5r]

Sounds good to me, more patients in office with a blown shoulder, maybe not now but you wait and find out. This new generation of archers hopefully will not follow after this. And I thought one of the main reasons for improvement in technology for archery was to avoid this type of risk? Sisd.

[@extremeoutfitters]

Not sure why 80lbs scares people. It’s 2024. Not 1980s. The cams are incredibly smooth.

[@FrankDog-d5r]

@@extremeoutfitters That really doesn't matter that the cams are 'smooth', it's the poundage vs the joint over time. Even 70lbs is 'dangerous'. You'll see...

[@kt3505]

@@extremeoutfitters Just because it works for yourself doesn't mean it works for everyone.

[@danielshields34]

Finally someone testing with an arrow over 500gr. 600 is getting to heavy 😂

[@TSNOutdoors]

I love the structural integrity of a 200 grain head but with my draw length and spine it ALWAYS puts me over 620 I’m at 31 inch draw shooting 70 and I can tell it’s pretty slow

[@kt3505]

I like the tests and comparison but I have to be honest, when I see guys that can bench 425 and are making these videos I feel it leaves a bad impression to easily influenced shooters. Yes I get you can't be a slob couch potato and hunt but when you get a younger or new shooter or someone with and injury or disability watching these videos it is not the right emphasis ,it makes them feel inferior and question their abilities and choice to get into the hobby Everybody always wants faster and flatter and more performance but we need to push comfort and repeatability more than we do. Personally I think it is all a sausage measuring contest or ego boost as just a few years ago they didn't have bows like this but guess what, animals still were harvested. How do I know this? When the commenters have to put in their specs and how much they pull. Let's do this...................lets do an accuracy test on vital zones 50 vs 60 vs 70 vs 80 , I bet even the strongest shooter if being honest will see what takes place and won't be able to deny the results. 80lb spine shot or 60lb vital shot? 😉 Speed might kill but it's accuracy that counts.

[@JennyWise-qb5nt]

100 meters in 1.3 1.4 sec

[@Tullminator]

If you're not shooting 100#s then you aint doing nothing.

[@杨国梁-j1o]

PSEMACHE30 80ro70？

[@arisdelis1]

PSE Full throttle + PSE OMEN MAX + Mathews XLR8 + Mathews MR5 + 350grain arrow.......thats a Steel Cage Match McMahon...all 5' BH ..all speed bows... this video is a ploy to sell you a $3k bow that is SLOW and overpriced...Why won't he shoot a 340g or 350g arrow with 80lb limbs? Why not make a LIFT with a 5' BH and with 80lb limbs? Why would anyone shoot a 430/500/600 grain arrow...unless zebra..or buffalo hunting???

[@Jaydon_outdoors]

I have my bow maxed out at 72lbs but I’m 12years old but getting an 80lb bow next year

[@christiantorres6118]

80 lbs is not for everyone. Especially cry babies.

[@johnnewcomb5162]

Women last year taking down elk mule deer and javelina with 335 grain arrow 42 lbs. The problem starts when they 80 lb guys start blaming broadheads ect every year, for not recovering the animals they hit.

[@kt3505]

This is exactly what I am talking about. Leaves an awesome impression on inexperienced or new individuals to the sport.

[@christiantorres6118]

Emotional help. If my comment hurts you in any way please don't spend money on a bow. Your money needs to be invested in professional help for your fragile feelings. Your welcome.

[@kt3505]

@@christiantorres6118 You are a perfect ambassador for the sport , keep up the awesome support for your fellow archers!

[@davidwhite8909]

80 pounds ha ha we need 90 pounder for the public not just rich people

[@Crazyhaywire]

Lets see what your trt therapy and your bald head can do with that bow "unedited" at 100 yards.

[@extremeoutfitters]

Sick burn bro

[@charlesroberts1705]

Don't order this bow it is junk

[@extremeoutfitters]

Define junk

[@RezneckRides]

Only jocks shoot anything over 65lbs and have no business being out in the mountains. Stay in the gym and out of the field.

[@extremeoutfitters]

Sounds like high school was rough on you

[@RezneckRides]

@@extremeoutfitters stick to rifles and keep to the city😘

[@extremeoutfitters]

@@RezneckRides who hurt you

[@RezneckRides]

@extremeoutfitters just hating on hotdogs who think they are tough pulling that much weight on their bows when it’s unnecessary. 55lbs will kill just about anything you’re hunting here in the good ole’ US. “Keep Hammering” fuckin’ kooks😉😀

[@extremeoutfitters]

Why is it always the soft goofy dudes who hate anyone stronger than them.

[@td1145]

These bows all shipped with 85% let off mods and to say there is no dump into the valley is a joke. The 80% mods are much better and add a few FPS.

[@extremeoutfitters]

It really depends on the individual and what they deem acceptable