[𝗥𝗘𝗩𝗜𝗘𝗪] 75" Mini LED TV with Higher Contrast, More Zones & Lower Price vs Samsung & Sony

[@ksec6631]

Ok, Did I miss the Bravia 9 review or what?

[@444chroma]

It's coming. B9 hasn't been out for long in the UK and Sony released new firmware last week. So he's working on it but it takes time to do things right

[@SagaciousFrank]

​​@@444chromathe 75" version has been out for months. Many assumed Vincent hadn't reviewed it due to their not being a 65" version in the UK, which Sony has relented on. But yes, the new firmware has fixed the previous bugs they introduced from the firmware update before, so hopefully he'll be reviewing it soon.

[@vgnvideogameninja2930]

@@444chroma He's had it for more than 3 weeks now, but yes it's the FW update he was waiting on. I'd bet the review is about 3 weeks out from now, or 1 month since the update (and close to 2 months since he received the 65" sample).

[@M1710]

I am no Vincent Teoh, but as an owner of the Bravia 9, there is not much today, if any Mini LED that can beat the Bravia 9. Sure Samsung top tier TVs might boast more saturated color, but in terms of perfect balance of everything the Bravia 9 is a near perfection.

[@whitecrowuk575]

Hmm isn’t perfect with luminosity dropping low when black background present and isn’t perfect with angles - 30-40 degrees and you see color shift/loss. As all rounder perhaps is a mini led to beat. But some competition is getting very close and pricing is very enticing. With mini led I would consider bigger sizes that oled can’t provide - like 98”. Unfortunately Bravia 9 is not available at that size though

[@amitavraja3385]

@@M1710 thought the B9 is having problem with this software glitches.

[@vgnvideogameninja2930]

@@whitecrowuk575 This doesn't actually happen on an 85" Bravia 9. At least mine isn't after the most recent FW update.

[@vgnvideogameninja2930]

@@amitavraja3385 It's not having these problems.

[@whitecrowuk575]

@@vgnvideogameninja2930 which part? Luminosity?

[@ericroberts7380]

Does this mean we might get a Bravia 9 review soon?

[@hdtvtest]

@ericroberts7380: Yes, it's in progress.

[@budthecyborg4575]

I firmly disagree with the principle of crushing black levels to achieve higher contrast. When you have more than 2,000 zones I say let it bloom, I want every pin of light to be fully represented at source image brightness.

[@KryssN1]

I firmly disagree, rather have mild black crush to achieve better contrast, than see even mild blooming and haloing. Go back to the first 5 second of the video to see what is considered most important aspect of picture quality by professional calibrators.

[@R3nchi]

​@@KryssN1 yes but ordinary people buy TV's

[@PietroPizzi]

Yes, THE man is back :)! Why the long hiatus (hope nothing bad had caused it)? Did we get the B9 review next 8-) !?

[@hdtvtest]

@PietroPizzi: Yes, the Sony BRAVIA 9 review is in progress.

[@JustThankless]

So glad you made this video, I tried 5 diffrent 55 inch TV's for computer use (good ones, two from Samsung, TCL, LG, and HiSense.) Local dimming seems to cause more harm than good when I edit textures. The white point on all of them (except the oled) goes all over the place with the dimming, and creates shadows on large white objects. I'm a hobbiest so value plays a big part in picking a display. I have a 7 year old 50 inch Qled, and it's still "the right" display for my needs even without the vvr and local dimming. The s95c almost stayed in the house, but the HDMI issues, and then longevity on top of it made it a no go.

[@R6ex]

Thank you for this rare review of a non-US variant of TCL! 👏👍

[@LungGore]

Are you going to review the TCL C805, wondering how this will compare to the C855 model?

[@angelolee9044]

Thank you for this review. I ordered this tv almost 2 weeks ago and it will arrive at the end of this month. It's good to know it was a good purchase. Can you share the best picture settings for this tv?

[@MotoCat91]

Still have the TCL 75" C835 from a prior recommendation here and I'm still blown away at how good it is for the price.. Even today I'd choose it for watching TV/movies over basically anything that's double what it cost me 1.5yrs ago, and over many OLEDs too First time I've ever had proper local dimming and I am more than sold on it

[@vgnvideogameninja2930]

Bravia 9's local dimming >>>>>>>>>>>> TCL C835's local dimming

[@arewealone9969]

@@vgnvideogameninja2930of course and you’re paying a premium for the Sony. Bang for buck the TCL isn’t a bad choice in fact it’s a great choice if you’re on a budget.

[@ishlothbrok8430]

Hi, can you change aspect ratio on that tv? I hate the cinema aspect ratio on movies. Samsung does it. I AM wondering about Tlc

[@Dave30867]

My 4k LG TV is starting to get a dark zone in the middle area of the panel Its Only 6 years old and the second LG 4K TV i have bought in the last 10 years damn. i might need a new TV shortly. Thank You Mr Vincent You the man .😉👍

[@NexGenTek]

Wow! The Bravia 9 just looks like a Big Sony HX3110!

[@SuperMastermindx]

Any review of Bravia 7 incoming?

[@bevanyoung9222]

Great review! Many thanks. I have this tv as well, and its strengths really are the contrast and brightness. Its not quite so good with motion and accuracy, but i do enjoy the brightness. Interesting to hear about the panel uniformity. Definitely good value. Though, i saw last years X95L for cheaper the other day and felt that would have been a good choice as well.

[@jasonshaw4414]

Could you recommend a calibrater I could use please ?

[@sackolistran6116]

What about the Hisense U8NQ model. Will there be reviews?

[@anthony3192]

Hi I own a c805 (a review would be appreciated, you are great :)) I noticed with the two latest firmwares v401 and V412 the problem you mentioned in the Xbox calibration at 900 nits (it stops at 850 for me) with the previous firmware, the V143 the calibration is correct, on ps5 it marks me 1500 nits first screen (18 clicks) second screen 1300 nits (17 clicks), while on Series X 1350 nits. I downgraded the firmware to be sure. I would also like to know from you if you have encountered problems with specular lights in hdr by setting the local dimming to high. I noticed that the high function tends to flatten (almost completely eliminate) the specular light, can you investigate this? thanks.

[@mrmaestrom]

I got my mum to buy a C845 (last year’s mode) a couple of months ago and it’s fantastic for the price. My only problem with it is, to my keen eyes, the built-in apps are a stutter-fest. Would I get one? No I’ll stick with my LG CX. But for the average consumer it’s so much TV for the money.

[@dsoprano13]

This TV must sit somewhere between the QM7 and the QM8 in the US. The QM851 has 5000 zones while this only has 2000+.

[@8K240hz]

The sunniest "UK" living room ? So still very dark ? Lol

[@Ocho817]

I have an 85” qm851g. Struggling to decide if I can live with the inaccurate colors/hdr and soft processing.

[@Jodez23]

What would you replace it with?

[@Ocho817]

@@Jodez23probably the bravia 7 or if the hisense 98” ux comes down a bit more in price. I’m not paying over $3k unless its 98”+.

[@NexGenTek]

At that size I had to go with the Bravia 9 it’s very crisp

[@vikingsfan2218]

Why not go for a Samsung mini-LED? Is the lack of Dolby Vision a dealbreaker for you?

[@Ocho817]

@@vikingsfan2218don’t like samsung unless its qdoled. Personal taste

[@Targetlockon]

More competition hopefully more price drops thanks again 👍

[@gokhan7482]

On apple tv+ are good shows to test HDR capabilities of tv’s, but no one is using them. Weird.

[@bauboni]

have one, it costs 2/3 of a Bravia 7 in Australia while competing with a Bravia 9.... best deal in TVs by a huge margin

[@marianoaleman4952]

Can you do a video testing if a 8k tv can display 4096x2160 true 4k for console, computer or Panasonic 4k Blu-ray player? Thanks whether or not you do a video.

[@Salty.Peasants]

Reported officially by TCL. The TCL QM8/C855K is receiving an update at the end of the first week of december that will bring performance improvements in upscaling and EOTF tracking inline with the QM7.

[@Callum-tm6xo]

Wonderful, any news about local dimming input latency?

[@Salty.Peasants]

@Callum-tm6xo I have no idea. I just read this on avs by some tcl spokesperson.

[@kestass.4197]

Thank you, for this review.

[@marklabbett2605]

it will be interesting if Vincent mentions the poor motion processing on the Bravia 9

[@yaronkle]

Hi Vincent, how is the off axis viewing with this tv?

[@camarykaren]

Lost me at not keeping picture accuracy . Thanks Vincent u the best.

[@whosnick6506]

So if game console hdr calibration screens clip early at 900 nits, does that mean that games using this calibration will not get as bright as they should? In other words: Should one ignore the clipping on the calibration screen and go higher?

[@hdtvtest]

@whosnick6506: No, going higher than 900 nits will just blow out bright highlight detail in HGiG-compliant games.

[@E96]

Will you review the X955?

[@vazgengevorgyan8511]

Please can you do a review/picture options overview for Hisense u8n/u8nq ?!

[@micdoses1]

Are you going to review the tcl qm851g?

[@lgmnowkondo938]

Don't you think these manufacturers should simply implement a true 24 frame playback with very slow pixel response?? I think it leads to the most cinematic feel...I have an ultrawide monitor that I run at 24Hz...it's smoother than when I run it at 72hz. We just don't need 120Hz fast pixel response for movies, or do we?

[@TheContrariann]

Please tell me, Does Bravia7 support 10-Bit Color??

[@maplerzhackerz]

Are you able to test the input latency with high local dimming for 4k120 in game + pc mode?

[@samh5886]

Tldr when comparing against Samsung 's?

[@schorle87]

Great work thank you. Could you please review/calibrate the 75 inch TCL QM8B (Amazon)/C755 (World)/C805 (EU) model with FW version V8-T653T01-LF1V412.001366, if possible?

[@thomasrider5852]

Wow thats a steal at that price honestly

[@MaaZeus]

I honestly do not believe the input lag test is correct with the local dimming off vs on and is probably an artifact of the dimming zones trying to keep up with the blinking test box. I use the little brother of this TV the 50" C805 as a computer gaming monitor with HDR and game mode turned on always. I have dicked around with the local dimming setting and I detect no other change in the picture other than the changing contrast. If there is a change in actual processing of the image, an increased delay or such, the screen should blink black, just like turning game or pc mode on or off, before resuming but no such thing occurs when changing local dimming off to on. Or if the screen doesn't blink then there should at least be a slight hitch or microstutter as the speed of the arriving image resyncs between the slower and faster modes. It should be visually apparent in the famous Test UFO monitor. test.

[@MaaZeus]

It just occured to me that another test where a sudden change in lag should be apparent is the Blur Busters Frame Skipping test. In the moment of the local dimming setting change and suddenly going from bigger lag to smaller lag should result in frames being skipped IF there is actually any change in input lag and the screen doesn't just blink for resync. I have to give this a go when I get home from work.

[@hastazacharia]

I feel jealous of TCL in your country because they can give cheap prices. In my country, tcl positions him on a par with sony samsung and lg. Even Samsung and LG here are cheaper than TCL. Last month the Samsung S90C 65inch only sold for $1000 and a free Q700C soundbar, while TCL only got the C755.

[@Thor12]

Will Bravia 7 review come ?

[@whitecrowuk575]

I’m a bit disappointed we had a sneak peak at new Philips Oled but no review came out :(

[@ShadiFagihi]

Bravia 7 review Vincent please.

[@davistaishi]

when did you replace your HX310 with 3110?

[@hdtvtest]

@davistaishi: We bought the HX3110 in January, but still have the HX310 sitting in a corner...

[@davistaishi]

@@hdtvtest why not do a comparison of those two? and also new m4 MacBook Pro with a new backlight panel

[@StevieFQ]

6:37 seems absurd. I can barely see anything on the TCL and the Sony is definitely closer to reference. Is the camera not picking up the image correctly? Cause I can't even see his legs moving all that well on the TCL

[@Games_and_Tech]

I don't know why we don't get these models in the US 😢

[@bauboni]

because you get the superior QM8

[@mvp_kryptonite]

Lovely, a monitor for the M4 Mac Mini

[@gman5218]

Hisense and Tcl always nurf models in uk compared to usa models and charge us more for the privallige . They have been doing it for years no matter what they claim every year at launch . Same as last years tcl and hisence u7k

[@Callum-tm6xo]

Fun fact, the tcl tvs are not the same at the USA models hence different model names. The c885k is in fact not nerfed in the uk, the European models outside however are

[@andreaswright]

Great TV. If I didn't have an OLED this is the only Mini LED Tv I would consider. Price to Performance ratio is unbelievable.

[@vickigonya9432]

What is the price, I havent heard yet😊

[@andreaswright]

​@@vickigonya9432£1500 it says in the description for a 75in TV is incredible value.

[@chucknorris8704]

Currently 2187 AUD (1424 USD) here in Australia. An amazing price!

[@flavourfulz8147]

@@chucknorris8704 65inch c855 is only $1600 AUD, i bought it for my living room, since i got 77inch OLED in hometheatre

[@healer80]

I doubt when it comes to our eyes safety Mini led with incresed led levels are not good for our eyes because they act like a big flashlight blasting eyes. Oled is the safest technology available nowadays

[@alvidrez7956]

I'm really enjoying my Bravia 9 85" .. I thought it would never happen due to owning 3 oleds for the upstairs rooms .

[@vgnvideogameninja2930]

Same here, am loving my 85" Bravia 9. I also have other OLEDs in the house (three 77" A95Ls, three 83" LG G4s and three 77" Samsung S95Ds).

[@johndzwon1966]

Thank you for reviewing this TV. It's the one I plan to buy early next year. Although not perfect, based on a combination of price and performance, it's more than good enough for my needs.

[@eiksman]

3k for 75 inch for this one in germany. Way too expensive to compete against oled. Prices in the us are better for the qm8 I think

[@johannest.8621]

bei Kaufland für knapp 2k

[@rossharper1983]

I just bought my sister a C805 mini LED full array dimming, 85", for £1300. Comparing to my LG C3, I'm honestly so impressed with it, makes the extra money I spent seem daft

[@keewee23]

turn tennis on and see ball trail, or soccer, ghosting, c805 sucks at motion handling.

[@sttarkie5390]

@@keewee23literally

[@MaaZeus]

I use C805 50" as a computer gaming monitor and yes, compared to the Panasonic OLED that I have in my living room I was also shocked how good the TCL looks. In some color and contrast combinations I can detect some overshooting trails if I turn 144hz mode on behind the moving mouse cursor but in 120hz mode no complaints about motion handling. Everything looks perfectly clear in motion. And regarding the input lag test that was done here I believe that is just a measurement artifact of the local dimming trying to keep up with the flashing test box. Because I detect no change between local dimming Medium and Off. If something were really changing in the processing the screen should flash black before resuming but no such thing occurs when I dick around with the local dimming options.

[@pabrickwood]

Any comparison to the c755?

[@TheCrucialQ]

Zone count matches UHD resolution Height 2160p.

[@KeiLin11]

Due to price to performance ratio both Sony and LG loses market share to TCL.

[@tommysshinebox1661]

B9 review please vinnie!

[@hdtvtest]

@tommysshinebox1661: It's in progress...

[@shanew7361]

Sony Bravia B9 75-inch for the 🏆

[@Swecan76]

1:35 the TCL looks like a budget low end TV next to Bravia 9. The Bravia 9 is utterly superior to it. For a miniLED. The crushing and haze on the TCL is really bad. The level of shadow detail on the Bravia 9 and still suppressing a lot of blooming is pretty darn spectacular.

[@johndzwon1966]

True. The Bravia is superior in every way, including price, which is why I won't be buying one.

[@sorinpopa1442]

Cope harder Sony Fanboy ^^

[@KeiLin11]

But still most people buy TCL nowadays.

[@sharms888]

" Utterly superior " lol dude you utterly exaggerate, side by side there's a noticeable difference that's all, nothing more nothing less.

[@Adi2xcl]

@@KeiLin11 In my country a Bravia 7 costs just 100eur more compared to C855 in 65". I wouldn't even consider the TCL if the price difference is so small. Even LG B4 is cheaper than the C855.

[@EmmaMV22]

Real peak brightness in europe for 75C855? In 65" is around 2360 nits but in 75" in your test it was 2400 nits?? I need to configure my unit. Could you tell me the exact value on your 75" unit?

[@C0BEX]

I will never buy another TV that crushes shadow detail again. Can't live with that.

[@pinocleen]

How can it be mini @75"???

[@mmscannadinari]

Lol, MiniLED is the display technology

[@MakeSh00t]

How can be VA panel more expensive vs oled ? When TN panel is better in response times.

[@C0BEX]

The panel itself is relatively cheap. The local dimming hardware is expensive.

[@MakeSh00t]

@@C0BEX lol.... local dimming is cheap to. It is only in mind.

[@ThunderStruckMTB]

I would argue motion handling is the most important attribute of picture quality.

[@xalzor740]

Nah lol

[@sitrep123able]

Amen brother

[@Keivz]

Nah. Eotf tracking, contrast, brightness, color accuracy, etc are all equally important

[@camryhsalem5139]

As I watch a lot of sports events This is the attribute I'm interested for my next TV .

[@Chris-kd9yy]

Detail!

[@888YouCantHandle]

Sharp Xled has more zones.

[@mbvx7]

I just want a review of the Panasonic W95A

[@Uncle_Titus]

1500£ in the UK 3300€ in germany 😂 thats a joke

[@hdtvtest]

@Uncle_Titus: Didn't know that. For real?

[@Uncle_Titus]

@hdtvtest yeah in Germany you Pay 3300€🤣

[@TheRazorbackking]

​​​​@@hdtvtestTCL has tons of different names for their TVs in Europe. The C855 is expensive but the Q10BX1 which is the exact same TV is 1299€ for 65 and 1899€ for 75 currently ( in germany). TCL unfortunately does that for every model. C765 is a "MQLED85" for example.

[@trudiwagstaff5096]

I’ve had two of these now and they have both looked fantastic for the first month and then screen deteriorates terribly. It loses its contrast blacks become mottled and look similar to a led tv that is many many years old. When the tv is new and under 30 hours of use it’s great. But I suggest that tv reviewers only review this tv after 30 hours of use. I would not recommend this tv

[@msd5808]

I have trouble understanding why contrast is measured this way in TVs. I feel like the word contrast is misused. If black is zero nits in OLED and it is done by dividing the brightest nit by zero and getting infinity then that means a screen with 1 (one) nit of brightness has the same contrast as a screen with 1,000,000 nits of brightness. But contrast should refer to the difference between two things (two numbers). In other words, high brightness mini-LEDs should be considered to have higher contrast than OLEDs (even MLA), even if their darkest black level is higher. The difference in number comparisons (contrast between darkness and light) is higher in the mini-LED.

[@johnb4905]

If you had a LCD next to an OLED you’ll have no trouble understanding the difference in contrast between the two. Even how the measurements are done with patterns is misleading with LCDs. Hint, understand how local dimming works in practice.

[@s89kw]

The bravia 9 is the king

[@ozwin2]

TCL98C855K Vs LGOLED77G4?

[@shadowbotz4293]

We need a 98” Bravia 9 ASAP!!!

[@드롭인]

There are no subtitles or scripts.

[@CorporateZombi]

There are English subtitles now...

[@johnb4905]

Vincent’s videos stand out in a sea of uninformed ones.

[@CorporateZombi]

5:50 Sensible soccer anyone?

[@flyjum]

TCL is the top tv company of today for value

[@inceptionsd]

You should've reviewed the QM851G, since it has almost double the amount of zones compared to C855.

[@eiksman]

Qm8 not sold in europe

[@inceptionsd]

@@eiksman I know but still he should do a review jsut to see how much are they skimping on us in the EU.

[@rulu1828]

I'm just waiting for TCL's rumored 27 inch 8k monitor.

[@christophejergales7852]

Why show blurred out footage?

[@varsas10]

Copyright issues, I would guess.

[@444chroma]

It's only a few seconds but that's his way of letting us know that sports motion was evaluated. Can't be shown just have to listen

[@bradhumphrey5223]

Something he doesn't check but very important to many installs = It has been documented that some newer TCL TVs do NOT have discrete input or power control. This is 100% unacceptable by any TV manufacture in this day & age. If you only have 1 source hooked to the TV and therefor don't really require a control system (or universal remote) , then you might not care. But I would argue you still shouldn't support a manufacture that is that lazy and incompetent. And it may come to haunt you in the future, should you desire a more complex setup.

[@alesiovandi8335]

Please enable automatic translation for subtitles thank you very much

[@tomblade]

So basically gamers should avoid this tv at all cost.

[@amitavraja3385]

I thought he was going to review B9, instead it was an unknown TV. Everyone was looking forward to seeing B9 reviewed here.

[@chasecrappel9480]

It’s simple. It’s overrated and over priced. Why buy the b9 when you could literally get oled for cheaper, or get a bigger tv like this or even a Samsung for cheaper as well. People say XR processor nonsense. But forget to mention how it’s literally like a 20nm chip that’s passively cooled and the TVs only have 4gb of garbage ddr3 ram. These tv chips from ALL manufacturers are just garbage but for some reason people praise Sonys processing. And not once have I ever noticed a difference between my a80j and my s95b with processing. What IS noticeable is the better picture my s95b provides over my 80j. And I got it for $400 less as well. I don’t see how anyone can buy Sonys these days when they are objectively worse from a hardware standpoint than their competition. Whatever tv you have put the motion processing on like 2/10 and then they all look the same.

[@daylight4607]

@@chasecrappel9480 sony literally has way better picture than any other tv on the market, what do you need a smaller nm chip for on a tv? oled =/= better all times? out of all the OS ive tried on tv's sonys run the smoothest, they have the best upscaling, best handling at motion? not sure if youre just trying to ragebait

[@shanew7361]

​@daylight4607 I agree, I love my Sony Bravia B9 75 inch. I'm coming from LG oled, and I'm done with oled.

[@sasho1bsable]

Sub?

[@andyvecchiarelli2998]

e-arc is shit

[@___joez]

My a95L legends where you at

[@XTendingYT]

Wow im early

[@TheCrucialQ]

This is the earliest I've ever been able to watch a Teoh HDTV review after its been uploaded.

[@nicnl255]

So it's yet another local dimming TV? No thanks. I keep my LG OLED. I'll switch the day there is a pure microLED TV at an affordable proce/

[@vgnvideogameninja2930]

Micro LED is 10-15 years away. Within 5 or so years, QDEL will be on the market though and it's as good as Micro LED will be. I'll buy one of those when it launches, you can keep your OLED.

[@487zxcas]

Contrast king? at 7000:1? Really Vincent?? Might as well just say its an sponsored video bro

[@Jodez23]

Obviously he's referring to local dimming contrast.

[@hdtvtest]

@487zxcas: As stated in the video, we're referring to the native contrast ratio of the LCD panel with local dimming disabled. If you have measured another LCD with higher native contrast (i.e. without local dimming), please let us know.

[@BangSkeeet]

@@hdtvtest The U8N's Native Contrast is around 9449:1 ;)

[@hdtvtest]

@BangSkeeet Not on our 65-inch Hisense U8N review sample which definitely measured lower than 5000:1.

[@vgnvideogameninja2930]

​@@hdtvtestAlthough the native contrast of a TV matters, it's not very important and not the metric of which it should be judged. How many people do you think will watch their TV with local dimming turned off? How many do you suppose will watch with it turned on to medium or high? Only number that matters is the contrast at the most optimal local dimming setting.

[@DarthLordRaven]

You call £1500 Cheap?

[@andreaswright]

It is. Have a look at equivalent TVs at this size from Sony, Samsung, Panasonic. Some are over double this price for similar picture quality and sometimes even worse features .

[@christophejergales7852]

It's a 75" TV. Are you aware of that?

[@brutalbown1]

It'll never beat the king G4 👑🤴👑🤴👑🤴👑🤴