7mm Remington Magnum Remington Corelokt Ballistics Gel Ammo Test

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@masonoutdoors_masonleather 2 ай бұрын

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@PassivePortfolios 2 ай бұрын

Unlike many of the more recent magnums, the 7 mm mag actual delivered in real life what it was supposed to and advertised to do - the premier long range elk cartridge with less recoil than the .300 magnums. It worked well on moose, caribou, mountain goat, sheep, and African plains game as well. Still does because today's elk are not tougher than the elk back when the 7 mm mag. came out. Regardless of what bologna the gun media tells us.

@Lure-Benson 2 ай бұрын

Do you realize there are 7 species of Moose and all of them are different sizes? The Shiras Moose is the smallest and the Alaskan Yukon moose is 1500 pounds. Using the 7 mm rem mag in the Yukon moose was a bad idea because everyone I shot ran off and had to be looked for and shot again and again to get the moose to give up. The same stupid ignorance from East coast hunters that believe Alaskan brown bears are the size of Great Dane dogs and idiots believe everyone in Alaska hunts brown bears with 10 mm handguns.

@JacStocker 2 ай бұрын

How is accuracy with that factory ammo ??

@Lure-Benson 2 ай бұрын

@@JacStocker If you are asking me then I never use commercial loaded ammunition, I have reloaded since 1976. The 7mm rem mag Tikka T3 ultra light is spot on accurate so far with every kind of bullet I shoot but I hunt with only the Barns TSX or TTSX 7 mm 150 grain. I have a 1 pound coffee can full of 7 mm rem mag brass and 100 loaded 7 mm Rem mag

@johnnybessant4964 2 ай бұрын

Beautiful rifle and setup. Best part of my evening. You're killing it Mason.

@masonoutdoors_masonleather 2 ай бұрын

Glad to be of service, thanks for watching!

@johnnorman7708 2 ай бұрын

Yes that load is a classic for sure. And it has killed a lot of heavy game since it hit the scene 62 years ago. What has always troubled me about 7mm Rem Mag is how often honest tests show how little more powerful it is over .30-06 in stock rifles shooting factory loaded ammunition. You load your own and shoot it out of an honest 26" magnum barrel and you got a whole 'nother beast. The same to be said of lots of cartridges.

@Simon-talks 2 ай бұрын

We're gonna need a minimum of 38" barrels to make sure we can be good hunters.

@jasonshults368 2 ай бұрын

Well said. I agree with everything you said here.

@masonoutdoors_masonleather 2 ай бұрын

I agree that your true “magnum” cartridges, especially 7mag, need longer barrels to reach max velocity, 26 or even 28 inches or more, at some point it would be plain silly, but that’s just not what is majority available on the market. 26” used to be more standard for mags, just like 24” was for standard cartridges, the manufacturers make what sells and shorter barrels sell more and have for decades at this point.

@PassivePortfolios 2 ай бұрын

One of the "secrets" is the superior sectional density and ballistic coefficient of the 7 mm vs the .30 cal. To get the same with the .30 cal. magnums, a heavier bullet has to be used, which means more recoil.

@johnnorman7708 2 ай бұрын

Yeah, you can take things to just plain silly when it comes to a rifle and cartridges for hunting pretty fast. I just saw a nice custom barreled CZ in 6.5x55 that was too heavy for anything except stand use. You wouldn't carry that thing over hill and dale more than once and you would do just what the original owner did; trade it. It was a target rifle not a hunting rifle.

@VintageForagerBun1 2 ай бұрын

Im loving all the ammo test of all kinds of calibers! Keep them comming Mason! Great work

@masonoutdoors_masonleather 2 ай бұрын

Glad to be of service, thanks for watching!

@michaelowen6197 2 ай бұрын

Good review. I bet this Core-Lokt bullet in a 280 Remington would have a more uniform mushroom and 80% retention. Magnums are always hard on most cup/core, non bonded bullets.

@donwyoming1936 2 ай бұрын

For what they are, the old Remington Core-Lokt & Winchester Power Points really perform well.

@johnnorman7708 2 ай бұрын

This bullet really should have held up better and penetrated deeper even in this test. 2800 FPS muzzle speed isn't all that fast. Yes, it is 175 grains which is heavy for caliber, but the problem seems to be an overly soft bullet as opposed to blistering impact speed causing the fragmentation and lack of penetration. Bullets with as much sectional density as a 175 grain 7mm really should be able to penetrate deeper.

@masonoutdoors_masonleather 2 ай бұрын

Glad to be of service, thanks for watching!

@joshsinglefooter 2 ай бұрын

@donwyoming1936 i wouldn't say so much about PowerPoint

@joshsinglefooter 2 ай бұрын

All standard calibers the core lokt performs well.

@guardianminifarm8005 2 ай бұрын

Thank you again for great coverage. I am a fan of 7 mag and I have been since mid 1980s. Good performance IMO. There is a lot of newer technology and higher BC but these would do what needs to be done on most anything in North America IMO.

@DanielRifleman-pb9bd 2 ай бұрын

For elk hunting it is very possible that impact distance will be a bit more to a lot more than 100 yards. I would guess penetration will be more because of slower impact velocities too. I would easily use this load if I had a 7 Rem mag.

@davidpruyne7340 Ай бұрын

Your videos on different ammo are awesome,,, quick an to the point ,,, we have to decide the accuracy of them on our own ,, in our particular rifle for the most part ,,, but the terminal performance you cover beautifully

@masonoutdoors_masonleather Ай бұрын

Glad to be of service, thanks for watching!

@jackbolen5001 2 ай бұрын

Thank you! I am shocked. I thought the penetration would have been way deeper. The wound path and depth was marginally bigger than the smaller rounds. 😮 By smaller I mean the 6.5 Creedmoor 308 etc I used the similar 7 Mag 175 trophy bonded bear claw on whitetail and an impala in Africa and it dropped them all like Thor’s hammer.

@johnnorman7708 2 ай бұрын

This cartridge is probably one of the most successfully marketed cartridges of its era. People went "ballistic" lining up to drop their money on it for 30+ years before it's luster faded. And it hasn't faded all that much. It just got a lot more competition for the same job.

@masonoutdoors_masonleather 2 ай бұрын

It’s a classic

@PassivePortfolios 2 ай бұрын

It met the marketing and expectations in practical application, that's why it was and remained successful as a logo range elk cartridge. And it did all this with less recoil than the .300 magnums.

@williambehrend5452 2 ай бұрын

Ive got a buddy thats used them on everything from deer to elk/black bear and has never had a problem, his son used them in 7mmstw until he could no longer get them.

@hoffpbass 2 ай бұрын

7mm Mag. Gotta love 3k+ energy 💥 I am hypothesizing that a Federal Fusion / Hornady Interlock will not shed as much and go at least 5" deeper.

@masonoutdoors_masonleather 2 ай бұрын

Fusion is coming soon

@SeabassG42 2 ай бұрын

Those T3Xs with laminate stocks are gorgeous! Have one in 270 and absolutely love it. Keep on posting man! Always excited to see another video

@masonoutdoors_masonleather 2 ай бұрын

I agree, Tikka knows how to make a great hunting rifle! Glad to be of service, thanks for watching!

@Lure-Benson 2 ай бұрын

Hay, I offer to let you shoot my Tikka T3 ultra light in 7 mm Rem mag to get a thrill of your eyeballs rattling in the eye sockets when it goes off! Unfortunately, the barrel is so thin putting a muzzle break on the barrel isn't possible

@oncall21 2 ай бұрын

Nice going Mason. Nice rifle set up too. Thanks for sharing.

@masonoutdoors_masonleather 2 ай бұрын

Glad to be of service, thanks for watching!

@johnnorman7708 2 ай бұрын

I am convinced that 7mm Rem Mag or any other 7mm in the same class is much closer to its balance point when being fed bullets of around 160 grains. I am also confident that there are 7mm bullets of 175 grains that would have given somehat better results at the same velocity as was delivered here. Some of them would likely not be bonded or even considered premium by todays standards.

@masonoutdoors_masonleather 2 ай бұрын

I’ve got a bunch of 7 Mag coming

@bestestusername 2 ай бұрын

Thats my set up. The 7 mag is a beast for my needs

@masonoutdoors_masonleather 2 ай бұрын

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@mr.mr.3301 2 ай бұрын

I would so love to see you compare the 708 now.

@masonoutdoors_masonleather 2 ай бұрын

I filmed the last 11 on-hand 7mm-08 load tests today.

@mr.mr.3301 2 ай бұрын

@@masonoutdoors_masonleather I can’t wait.

@tubbyshvfd9110 2 ай бұрын

Beautiful rifle man

@masonoutdoors_masonleather 2 ай бұрын

Thanks!

@jamesgoodrich8162 Ай бұрын

Thanks for all the great videos. Very good information! Could you please test the 170 grain Norma Oryx in 7 rem.mag, Thankyou

@rangetime6779 2 ай бұрын

Glad to see this test. If I were spending the big money on an elk hunt I'd use a sturdier bullet. It has great sectional density but lost too much weight in simple gel. With hide, bones etc the bullet might not hold up.

@outbackjack46270 Ай бұрын

Yes, gel tests don't equate to hitting hide and bone. I used core lokts when I started hunting and they literally blew everything apart especially if you hit the animal in the shoulder bones. IF you could get perfect broad side shots and shoot them BEHIND the shoulder they're ok, not great but ok. But we all know that real world hunting is never like shooting into a gel block at 100 yards. I don't want my bullets blowing up like a varmint bullet. That's why like you I want higher weight retention into the 90%+. Schirroco, TBBC, Barnes X, Hornady CX/GMX, etc,. I use the 95gr Fusion all the time in my .243 and never had any problems with any shots at all angles and ranges to 300+ yards on deer and the 150gr Fusion in my 7mmWSM at all angles out to any range my old eyes can shoot to. I have 30-378 WBY mag set up to shoot 1000 yards but all animals I've shot have been less than 200 yards. Even in SD I seem to shoot all animals less than 300 yards. I did set up a shot at a doe at 1/2 mile off the hood of my truck with a lead sled and the Huskemaw scope dialed right in on her and it and the load worked as advertised (165gr XBT, WBY factory load) and I had a dead deer but that was not a satisfying experience as I was just shooting a deer, not hunting a deer.

@yomamasbeefcurtains 2 ай бұрын

Would love to see the 160gr Nosler Accubond and Partition, maybe even together as a comparison!

@toddpatrick8254 2 ай бұрын

Yes!

@johnnorman7708 2 ай бұрын

I agree that Core-Lokt and Power Point bullets (or any cup and core bullet) tend to behave much better when started slower out of standard cartridges. I don't consider starting speeds of 2800 FPS magnum speed territory really. It might be interesting to see if this generation of pointed soft point Core-Lokt is of the exact same construction as something from the 1970s or 1980s. I'm betting it is not. I recall hearing that Remington "tweaked" their pointed Core-Lokt bullets maybe 20 or 25 years back and got a softer bullet. I could see that happening and could understand why too. Rapid expansion does knock down deer much faster. It does not improve the penetration that is far more critical on the big, thick, and heavier critters.

@danielrobey1759 2 ай бұрын

They're not even close, I recall seeing pictures of the original core lokt bullets cross sectioned and they had an actual band of jacket material around the circumference of the bullet about a third of the way up from the base. It wasn't like hornadys interlock rather it was a wide band of material. I wish I could remember the article that it accompanied... Pretty sure it was a John Barsness article in Handloader magazine back in the day... Man I miss the old days of print media 😕

@danielrobey1759 2 ай бұрын

I just reread your post and I see you referencing 20-25 years ago and I'm thinking about the core lokts of the 60's and 70's 😮😂😂

@jasonshults368 2 ай бұрын

Yes, it was John Barsness who pointed out the difference between older PSP-CL and the new (at the time and moving forward) version. He also notes that the round nose version (at the time) still had the heavier "belt" around the interior of the jacket.

@johnnorman7708 2 ай бұрын

Yes. It was Barsness. Found a comment he made about that redesign on the pointed Core-Lokt that he posted in 2001 which kind of dates those changes to sometime in the 1980s. So old vs new Core-Lokt is like 40 + years ago. Time flies...

@garytrainer1690 2 ай бұрын

I've used 170gr regular core lokt for decades. No complaints. This stuff looks good too. 👍👍

@masonoutdoors_masonleather 2 ай бұрын

Corelokt has been killin stuff for a long time

@haroldvankleeckwilson9304 Ай бұрын

168 grn. Honady Interlocks. Sub 1 inch groups drops 250lb Mule deer in their tracks.

@johnandrosemarywyatt977 2 ай бұрын

Bonded bullets really make sense for 7mm rem mag. My vote is to norma bondstrike 165gr

@fredrickg5697 Ай бұрын

I’ve heard a lot about Berger VLD bullets. I’d like to see you do a gel test on this round and give your thoughts.

@TheFerrot 2 ай бұрын

Wild that it’s only 100 FPS faster than the 180 30-06. But performance is different. If you’re doing 300 win I hope you play with the 150 ttsx from Barnes. I’ve seen those at deer camp and they are wild with their performance

@Jordanhunterg 2 ай бұрын

Do you ship your leather goods to Canada? Love the content keep up the great work!

@Bggred 2 ай бұрын

Another good video. I shoot a t3x 7 mag. And would luv to see the tipped fusion version in the gel

@masonoutdoors_masonleather 2 ай бұрын

That video is coming Thursday 👍🏼

@Bggred 2 ай бұрын

@@masonoutdoors_masonleather good deal, with us having the same rifle I hope they grouped well and look forward to Thursday cause I gotta be making a decision soon

@Accuracy1st 2 ай бұрын

Not sure if it is Berger ammo or Federal ammo but one or both load the 168 Berger in 7RemMag. Would you be willing to test that?

@outbackjack46270 Ай бұрын

@Lure-Benson 2 ай бұрын

Those Splaterlokts make the coyotes happy with all the wasted meat left for the coyotes

@EndoftheBlock7224 2 ай бұрын

Not bad penetration for a Corelokt bullet.

@mitchellweaver54 17 күн бұрын

Please do federal 175 power shock

@whiskeymike8010 2 ай бұрын

7 Rem Mag is Still a Bad Mofo! And I Would Love One Someday 💕 Appreciate The Video 📹

@canuckmagnum5841 2 ай бұрын

I have that same rifle in 30-06

@Drakehilt 2 ай бұрын

If those were Hornady bullets, you would call them "epic failures"

@masonoutdoors_masonleather 2 ай бұрын

Not if it were an Interlock. I call out when bullets don’t do what they’re marketed, “designed” and purported to do. I’ve got many videos featuring Hornady bullets that are positive/praiseworthy/anything but failures.

@sstein49 2 ай бұрын

Naw not a failure at all! Fades come and go, LDH is the current rage ! And hornday has drifted away from the old inter bond to more frangable SST & eldx, folks in the know save about $15-20 shooting green machine cor lokt or fedral blue, ect , millions and millions of game are dead from Remington ammunition

@Drakehilt 2 ай бұрын

@masonoutdoors_masonleather interlocked bullets are supposed to stay together. These did not do what they are suppose to do

@greasydot 2 ай бұрын

The core stayed in them (core lokt), the jacket stayed on them and the soft lead front kinda did what it was supposed to do. Was it perfect,,,,, no.

@nikos6220 2 ай бұрын

Wow, I always thought the 7mm Rem Mag is more powerful. My 30-06 handloads have more energy out of a 20” barrel. Plus that stuff is as aerodynamic as a barn door, which is a shame for a 7mm. But as always, inside 300 most game won’t notice the difference

@jimscallen6452 2 ай бұрын

I have the same rifle as you do.

@bigbpdx 19 күн бұрын

HSM makes a 7mm mag with a Berger 180 grain

@MattC-eo6ep 2 ай бұрын

The Deadliest Mushroom in the Woods! 😁

@SergeiPoliakov 2 ай бұрын

😂

@masonoutdoors_masonleather 2 ай бұрын

It’s been at it for a long time!

@Hill_Billy_Without_A_Hill 2 ай бұрын

Was thinking there was 178 grainers out there. Hornady I think.

@johncantrell8904 2 ай бұрын

Core lokt bullets kill game quick in my experience. About any bullet works when put in the right spot. The trick is knowing all the spots and being able to hit them.

@phild9813 2 ай бұрын

What thread pitch did you get for the barrel threading?

@masonoutdoors_masonleather 2 ай бұрын

1/2-28 with a 1/2-28 to 5/8-24 adapter

@davew8694 2 ай бұрын

Smackola!

@Mark-uq9km 2 ай бұрын

I know this isn't popular with most hunters and shooters, but I don't care for, nor do I hunt or shoot anything less than .30 caliber. Even .30 caliber seems small for me as I prefer .358 and larger for hunting. This means my range flexibility is limited but I accept that. What can a 7mm Rem Mag do that a .30-06 can't? I killed my moose at 200 yards with a single shot from my .30-06 using the the plain jane Remington Core Lokt, 180 grain bullet. It's just personal preference. But, I enjoy watching the ammo testing with velocities, energy and expansion. Core Lokts aint sexy but they get the job done more often than not, compared to other more expensive, fancier sounding ammo that won't perform any better and many times perform worse than the old Core Lokts.

@PassivePortfolios 2 ай бұрын

No practical difference inside 300 yards, but at longer range, the 7 mm has the ballistic coefficient and sectional density edge. All depends on how far you and your rifle can shoot accurately.

@aheroictaxidriver3180 2 ай бұрын

@@PassivePortfolios And when you say edge, you do mean edge, not advantage.

@PassivePortfolios 2 ай бұрын

@@aheroictaxidriver3180 edge means an advantage, as in flatter trajectory.

@aheroictaxidriver3180 2 ай бұрын

@@PassivePortfolios An edge is a tiny advantage, Einstein.

@davidpruyne7340 Ай бұрын

At longer ranges bet it would have better weight retention,,, lots of punch left ,,, say 300 yds