8.6 BLK (8.6x43mm), 285gr Solid Copper, Fort Scott Munitions

[@moshkid16]

Dam im excited for this one. 8.6BLK is a laser beam. Garand thumbs video on it was impressive. Looking forward to the details.

[@BuffRANGE]

I need to watch his video. I'm guessing he had a FIX?

[@moshkid16]

@@BuffRANGE i believe so. The inventor of 8.6 uses it to hunt Cape buffalo i guess. Youll like that video.

[@monkofkrayak6235]

@@BuffRANGE You should do an armor penetration test and see at what level it stops with subsonic loads. You can add it to your Subsonic Armor Penetration Theory playlist

[@BuffRANGE]

@@monkofkrayak6235 Indeed I should!

[@rre9121]

@@moshkid16 You mean the guy that renamed .338 Whisper?

[@donwyoming1936]

Back in the 1980s, when I got my Colt Sporter II with the new 1-7 twist, I had a lot of issues with 45 & 55gr soft points self destructing as soon as they left the barrel. Little smoke clouds about 6 feet past the muzzle. They seem to make those light projectiles a bit more sturdy now days. So yes, you can self destruct copper jacket bullets with very fast twist rates.

[@BuffRANGE]

Indeed! I was trying a PPU 250gr FMJ. At 1,300 fps it said "heck no" and blew apart as soon as it left the barrel.

[@brad2340]

Really appreciate your efforts to help with shooting related data. Best of the best out there.

[@BuffRANGE]

Thanks!

[@phillipedds8998]

Have you looked at the Fort Scott Munitions 8.6Blkout 235gr TUI super-sonic load?

[@BuffRANGE]

I have not. I believe they just released it not too long ago.

[@trashedmechanic1987]

It sounded like the 12" was actually the quite one of them. Those are some monster flying out of the muzzle.

[@jammbbs1688]

Such a slow moving round thank God it has some mass to it

[@reconrc1787]

Thanks for bringing us this review! As always great work. I don't know anyone who uses the Fort Scott ammo in my area. It's typically always on the store shelves for the exact reason your tests showed. We tested several caliber options from Fort Scott years back. I wanted to see how this so-called "tumble upon impact" ammo performed for myself. We found the ammo functions as a very expensive FMJ. If I'm paying solid copper prices I want bullets that cause real damage. The FMJ type deep penetration you see from the Fort Scott "tumble upon impact" ammo is evidence that energy isn't being placed on target. For the price, it's just not my thing.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

When are you coming bear hunting up here with that?

[@BuffRANGE]

When the tectonic plates breaks off Alaska and then drags it next to Michigan :D

[@bdawg5415]

@@BuffRANGEthe jealousy is real I’m stuck in Texas

[@thaihiggins8637]

Loves some fort scott just pricey. Got it in 40. And 10mm.

[@Nickrioblanco1]

Might as well be FMJ for the performance this round gives.

[@Texasgirl10Growing]

Thank you NY Pepper! This was amazing!

[@BuffRANGE]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@imeprezime1285]

Thank you for the tests

[@BuffRANGE]

You are very welcome

[@JFergel]

great video. thanks for your patronage to a business in my home state! you've gained a new subscriber

[@BuffRANGE]

Awesome! Thank you!

[@moshkid16]

In your experience have you noticed accuracy differences at distance when comparing supersonic vs subsonic projectiles? Do you get more reliable accuracy from a subsonic bullet at distance that stays subsonic when compared to a supersonic bullet that falls to subsonic at distance? Like a more predictable flight path?

[@BuffRANGE]

I haven't noticed, as traditionally most of my 100+ yard shots are from supers. We will have to evaluate that with 8.6 as we test more loads.

[@DOCKent-3339]

That is a mutant ninja! Huge!

[@Mrgunsngear]

🇺🇸

[@BuffRANGE]

As always, thank you kindly for stoping by sir !

[@DOCKent-3339]

Damn! That's big!

[@jammbbs1688]

When did it tumble? After it's already through a target?

[@BuffRANGE]

Pretty much lol

[@geneotrexler8246]

Good video 👍

[@jeff9062]

"Thats what she said"

[@BuffRANGE]

She does all the time :D

[@samdone2900]

They should’ve gone with a flat base instead of a boat tail. I think it would tumble faster.

[@charlesballiet7074]

yea the bullet has a sniper like profile

[@sherlockholmes5087]

Awsome Round, and nice Test with different barrel lenght!❤ But why you dont shoot on an ballistic plate ? I never see someone too shoot on balistic vest or plates. What is the result, i imagine that the solid copper 285 grain could penetrate a III Plate! (In germany we have the SK(saveclass 1-4+) 1 for Handgun softtipp 2 for Handgun Full Metal jacket up to .357 3 for .308 soft core 4 for .308 hardcore 4+ is 7,62x54R hardcore and three hits

[@BuffRANGE]

I've shot lots of plates :D I've shot 8.6 BLK at some armor. Here > kzbin.info/www/bejne/jHjVd5qchayYbJI kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y53GoYmKdryDY7c kzbin.info/www/bejne/fWO2nXSebKh7Ztk I will need to further evaluate these long solids against more robust plates, but these are interesting to say the least.

[@sherlockholmes5087]

Verry interesting ammo, I look forward that my Desert Tech MDRX get an conversion kid😮​@@BuffRANGE

[@buddysumner4022]

The fort Scott tumble upon impact ammo is hit and miss, it works sometimes and sometimes it don’t, I don’t trust it

[@ja0298]

I want to like the 8.6 blk, but as a reloader with 5gal buckets full of 308 brass the 375 raptor makes better sense for me.

[@K-bob_45]

I’m fairly certain you could cut down and form 8.6 from 308

[@DavidBrubaker-pi4gj]

You can, but I think he is referring to 375 raptor being superior.

[@ja0298]

@@K-bob_45 you can, but it involves reducing the case neck thickness if I remember correct.

[@K-bob_45]

@@ja0298 that may be. I’m not wild about turning necks either. It did just occur to me that you could neck 8.6 blk up to 375 for a lil subsonic lol

[@DavidBrubaker-pi4gj]

​@@K-bob_45yes and you don't have to modify the case or magazines. The information put out by Q regarding 375 raptor needing modifications to an SR25 platform is snake oil. This has been a point of contention for a while now

[@meanman6992]

Is that an AR15 lower or AR10?

[@BuffRANGE]

AR10 :D

[@hersheyroseman4508]

They might have to go back to the drawing board with this round with weight distribution.

[@BuffRANGE]

because of it's severed delayed tumbling?

[@hersheyroseman4508]

@@BuffRANGE Yeah, their other rounds definitely perform better. The delay in that tumble is horrid imo. 🙏

[@Texasgirl10Growing]

I need to practice. 🤦‍♀️

[@jaypee389]

100 grain Polymer filled 8.6 BLK would be cool.

[@SiliconeSword]

That'd probably be awesome on a grizzly

[@nikos6220]

Copper FMJ 😂. Good for defeating armor, good for anything else … you be the judge

[@jordanhorst6]

8.6 wasn't invented for defense or defeating body armor. it was invented for big game hunting with subs that carry enough energy at greater distances, and high spin rates translate to more energy imparted on target. While still staying quiet when suppressed. not everything is designed for defensive purposes. However, it probably will fill a niche similar to 300blk.

[@jordanhorst6]

also, it's not FMJ. It's solid copper.

[@nikos6220]

@@jordanhorst6 yep, that’s why I said Copper FMJ, because it behaves like one. It was a joke …

[@nikos6220]

@@jordanhorst6 that’s like saying 300 BLK was invented for silent coyote hunting 😂. Yes Kevin likes to hunt in Africa and hunting in general is just the only way to actually study terminal ballistics for such a project. Just watch a few more podcasts, take a look at the semi-auto options and then decide if special forces aren’t interested in a better mousetrap given the success story of the 300 BLK. And just for the record, I think it’s a cool cartridge if paired with the proper bullet, this TUI ain’t it imo

[@chuckfinley3152]

The spin doesn’t enhance terminal ballistics lol

[@jaxonwillis1588]

If it shoots better than 12 moa at 50yds it beats gorillas first run of subs

[@BuffRANGE]

Woah 12 MOA!

[@rre9121]

What terrible terminal performance.

[@bigracer3867]

Yea agree with that!!

[@balljointfd3s]

It's a great video and I hope there are more rounds so you can continue testing it. Hopefully they make a Soft/Hollowpoint round because I'm not really seeing any real use case for this round. Who needs a subsonic heavy projectile that can go through 36"s of Gel but only starts tumbling after 20 inches? Also, you need a AR-10 Lower to use it, 300BLK was successful because all you needed was a Barrel (or separate upper) on a AR-15, you basically need a different gun to run this and not all AR-10's are uniform like AR-15's are. It seems to me like the guys at Q thought they could repeat the success of the HoneyBadger by shoving a 338 Bullet into a 308 Cartridge, made it subsonic, and called it a day. Also, this whole "magic twist-rate" thing is complete BS and you know it... Q did not just re-invent twist rates, it's marketing, if any of this woo-woo twist-rate crap was real then EVERY gunmaker would be copying it or have found out about it by now. Sorry for the rant, but unless there is ammo that actually works for this that shows USEFUL ballistics then this just seems like more of a marketing gimmick then anything real.

[@bigracer3867]

I do t see a need for this cartridge and 60 to 70 dollars a box ammo! Crap! 458 socom sub is a lot better option with 500 grain slugs. . But what do I know.

[@SimplestUsername]

Seeing a .308 mag coming out of a gun with an 8in barrel is down right goofy.

[@DOCKent-3339]

.338!

[@SimplestUsername]

@@DOCKent-3339 8.6 BLK uses .308 magazines.

[@DOCKent-3339]

@@SimplestUsername OH! I didn't know that. TY.

[@DinoNucci]

PizzA

[@BuffRANGE]

Ham and Greens Pasta!

[@DOCKent-3339]

When one thinks of the fact that a shot of whiskey was the term that came from the old west that a bullet cost a shot of whiskey, one must ask whether ammunition is too expensive or is whiskey too expensive? I think ammo is cheap! Buy it now. The Third Ammo Shortage will soon be upon us!!! 😢