8 Video Games You Play For HOURS Before Starting

[@BaxterAndLunala]

I mean, I think playing as a Templar in Assassin's Creed III was a pretty cool idea. Because you can see two sides of the story, both sides explaining why they're the good guys and the other side is keeping them from reaching their goal. The only other game I can think of that shows this idea is Halo 2.

[@langleymneely]

Agreed!

[@daltongarrett7117]

they kinda tried that with the last of us 2

[@VTorner]

Imagine a WW2 game with this mechanic 😂

[@sadowolf]

The Last of Us Part 2 and Detrot: Become Human also come to mind

[@zackfolkestad8746]

I kinda agree. It is neat to see both sides, but I’d prefer playing as the only protagonist and choose which side to be on, then learn more about the lore depending upon your choice. I’m one of the few, but I hated Halo 2 because of the split characters. It’s easily one of my least favorite games ever. I also hated playing as Haytham. I found him to be an annoying, boring, awful character.

[@SpanishFly120]

As an RPG fan, I'll defend the whole 12-15 hour "Prologue" bit of Suikoden V. It's great in terms of lore, worldbuilding, story, and characterization, while making things impactful and having the world feel alive. Those are incredibly important parts of RPGs, and things I like and appreciate. It's part of why I enjoy the Trails series so much.

[@miku0118]

i agree, i never really thought of it as a prologue, i played through suikoden 5 about 10 times, really enjoyed it. i wish they would remaster it or at least put the original on the PSN store so i can play it on newer consoles.

[@PedroSteckecilo]

I dunno, while the story and worldbuilding are great the pacing with actual gameplay could be better. But also I feel the game "begins" when you first hit Rainwall.

[@graywolfdracon]

Ni No Kuni 2 did something similar and I thought it worked well.

[@aubriewalters821]

Actually, I have to argue against the one on PLA. True, you do know how to pokemon battle and all that, BUT it has to be considered that there was not a precursor to this type of game. You weren't going into battles to catch pokemon, you could catch them yourself in the wild and there were all-new mechanics. I will agree that the tutorial could have been shortened, but for the differences between PLA and the mainline games, there definitely needed to have been a tutorial.

[@Joseph-z7s3b]

Does anyone remember a PS1 or perhaps PS2 game called Fear Effect? The gameplay was so different than everything else. No health to pick up, rather health was replenished by stealthily dispatching enemies. How about a list along those lines?

[@Joseph-z7s3b]

@LaFFTrip81 Galarians! Nice! I'm not the only one. The Resident Evils & Tomb Raiders etc. in gaming are ok, but I prefer the more obscure games. Their more interesting. I'm the same way with music. Everyone knows who Green Day is, but who remembers or is even aware of Dr. Know? Not many I suspect.

[@patricknewman6570]

A list of unique games would be interesting

[@Blakkrazor69]

Cyberpunk 2077...if you bother to do everything you can reach in terms of Missions before following through with the main story it can take quite a long time to reach the point you're able to explore the whole of the map. Think I was 16 hours in before I saw Johnny Silverhand's engram.

[@AdamQuidington]

I racked up over 3 days of playtime and completed multiple questlines on Starfield before I discovered there were powers 😭

[@RyanRex]

...same

[@Bulldozer0099]

I'm almost level 30 and I still haven't gotten the powers and I'm in no rush haha

[@Noahrules981]

This may be a hot take but Knights of the Old Republic should be in this list too. Yeah the Endar Spire section is pretty fast but the Taris portion in the beginning of the game takes FOREVER

[@hawk66100]

Taris isn’t just a tutorial it’s actually a significant part of the game though.

[@kylepaup]

​@@hawk66100 It takes too long, though. It's a slog and truly the only part of the game I don't love.

[@hawk66100]

@@kylepaup I will agree that it’s not the high point of the game lol.

[@nichmiller4251]

I just found out that I'm 32 hours into Starfield and haven't finished the tutorial... Freestar Collective freakin loves me, though!!

[@exodore2000]

I did the main quest and all the faction quests took me 150hours.

[@piemaster1288]

I was lucky to hear that you should stick to the main path at first in Starfield, as I agree that once you start getting your powers the world starts to feel more open, just like with skyrim when you get your first shout.

[@kshaun84]

i didnt stick to the main story lol. I got married... finished a couple fraction quest completely ..got 40 hrs in before I went back to the main quest lol

[@Theinen84]

He's so on point with Heavy Rain! My friend was hyping me up for it. I got hyped for it. I pre-ordered it. I excitedly begin to play it! I think i got to where his son disappeared and he went outside looking for him? Then i was too bored to continue.

[@sweetenedwithgluten]

A suggestion for a possible video; games that were dropped by their original companies to die, but the actual development staff saved them by creating their own gaming company and obtain the licenses to carry it forward. An example of this is Warner and Turbine dropping both Lord of the Rings Online plus Dungeons & Dragons Online. These games still continue because the development teams banded together and formed Standing Stone Games and saved them for both players and themselves.

[@MidnightWildspirit]

Legend of Zelda Twilight Princess tutorial wasn't boring to Me. 😄

[@dpmacattkgaming1187]

Suikoden 5 definitely has a slow start, but it is worth EVERY second of build up. If you can play this game, please do.

[@ItzSkettimas]

I consider the first 20-30 hours of persona 5 to be the tutorial (when they stop giving you instructions on screen on how to play) And it's one of the longest. It takes about that to get control of your own free time as well. So yea. That's one I expected on here. Grandia 3 was about 3 hrs too

[@TomPatching]

I’d love to see a video on Games to play when you’re bored of gaming / games to reignite your love for gaming

[@SilverSpectre266]

I honestly didnt feel too angry with Legends Arceus opening because I figured what without the gyms and the whole time thing, and the fact that you could catch pokemon without having to battle them that it would be much different, so I actually felt invested in the intro which is something I couldnt say about pokemon for years. Scarlet and Violet however had me ready to snap my Switch it was so frustrating. Whats worse is because the games have gotten more cinematic, the intros have gotten longer. Before I could speed and get into the thick of it in under 5 minutes. Scarlet and Violet felt like it lasted forever to leave hometown. If they NEED to have a tutorial they need to make it a side component thats completely skippable. Maybe then if its a side component and not part of the actual game they can get creative with the intro of the story for once.

[@davidkearney7933]

As an RPG fanatic I love long prologues, build the world lore and characters before starting the adventure.

[@andybarth5928]

you are right... I liked AC 3 because of the story (twist) - if a game is good - let us immerse in....

[@Martynde]

Skyward Sword and Twilight Princess were huge turn offs for me because of long and tedious the opening scenes were.

[@travishunstable5283]

You’re technically correct the best kind of correct

[@VillageFlowerno1]

Kimgdom heart 2, playing for hours as Roxas before finally getting to play as Sora. I enjoy it more now because other games have expanded and further explained the beginning of KH2

[@JuanAMatos-zx4ub]

Knights of the Old Republic should be on this list. I love the whole setup of you becoming a Jedi but its around 8-12 hours until you do, which is a pretty long time.

[@sk8erman773]

Hard disagree with starfield. The game opens up to you after you join constellation. I was having a blast with a game and probably played for 30 hours before i got the powers. Game didnt really change all that much after i got it so its like 1-1.5 hours. Which is still kinda long but not as bad as is mentioned in the video

[@nippy1234]

AC3 is my favourite AC game. Absolutely loved playing as Haytham and found it to be a nice subversion from the norm. Went in surprised like, "Who is this assassin?" "Wait, he's a templar!!"

[@dragonmaster613]

3 was great, but I think 4 barely edges it as better, but that is like debating Flash vs Superman in a race.

[@robjsmiles]

I'll always love the Ezio trilogy best, but I agree AC3's main story aged pretty well

[@Delmworks]

Tbh I didn’t mind it etheir but I can 100% understand why somone might be disappointed. It helps Hatham is also pretty cool.

[@millie567]

The Pokemon Mystery Dungeon games have story differences to them(and some small gameplay ones, if I remember correctly), unlike the normal ones which mostly follow the same pattern of: Catch pokemon->beat gyms->beat elite four->beat champion etc, with some story to it...

[@PhenomenonxAvenger]

The first game I ever played like that was Kingdom Hearts 2. I remember thinking 3 hours for an intro was insane. Final Fantasy 13 is also an example but I feel like it's tutorial stage was like 10 hours lol

[@rgnestle]

I don't often like some of the jokes you make (put down your pitchforks, everyone), but I always appreciate your outros with the upbuilding messages. I need them so much right now. Thank you, you massive ledge!

[@sammydean136]

I don’t know who is complaint about Legends Arceus. It’s part of the experience. It’s a whole different type of game. Regardless if it was pokemon or not it was a whole different format. I truly never felt like this game had a prologue per say. The fact you get told you will do this task or we will kick you out and you’ll die. I think that’s less of a tutorial than most other games. The tutorial I think is right at the begin when you catch the starters really. The hat game was absolutely damn near perfect.

[@liammick08]

Tues your own adventure list 1. Games or single player campaigns, you wish were longer 2. Best single player video game campaigns. 3. Best video game soundtracks/Moments when the music hit that you needed it/Moment when music hit that you feared it. 4. Scariest games that are not in the horror genre. 5. Funniest gaming characters. 6. Best gaming characters that are not the protagonists. 7. Best fighting game characters "and say it with me now, of all time!"

[@TheLele2921]

Couldn't agree more with Yakuza 3 (the title that came to my mind first when I read the title) even if I came to love the overall story. But I think I must disagree on heavy rain. On repeatedly playthroughs I would agree, but for the first time experiencing the story I think the "prolouge" does a great job immersing the player into the world. Either way: Great list!

[@trailblazerlazerrazerd9027]

Legend of Zelda Twilight Princess is actually one of my favorite games of all time. Unfortunately though I guess in the playing I never paid attention to how long the actual start the game was. Didn't feel like 3 hours. And I did enjoy the lore build up, however I do agree that video games are meant for playing not just watching.

[@Tazbgc69]

You should’ve had kingdom hearts two on the list you gotta play as Roxies for 3 to 4 hours if not longer depending on your gameplay and how much exploring you do and how much time you spend on the mini games

[@darkstoryedits]

10 evil AI robots that were secretly crying out for help the whole time

[@rjgraylight]

I'm curious, could you do an episode about all the differences in tech and gaming from just 1 decade, 10 years, ago for the next Tues Your Own? For example... 1 decade ago everyone was still playing with box tvs and monitors and HMDI cables were just recently invented. 1 decade ago, we were still using physical discs and cartridges for nearly all of our games and the thought of digitally downloading games was just a fledgling thought. 1 decade ago, movement-based controls such as from the Wii were considered revolutionary whereas now we've got full virtual reality helmets that can detect our every movement readily available for nearly all households. 1 decade ago, the majority of people still used flip phones because smart-phones, especially ones with touch-screens, were just starting to become popular. There have been so many technological advances in just the last 10 years that it's staggering when you actually stop to think about it.

[@GigawattFox]

In regards to Legends Arceus at least, it did introduce a bunch of new mechanics like crafting and the battle styles?

[@figure_0491]

It also lets you just lob poke balls at pokemon to capture, and added strong/agile style. So, it is somewhat different than typical Pokemon titles.

[@Afroman_Gaming]

The assassin turkey from ac3 though.... it makes it all worth it to see that turkey in the iconic hood.

[@matthewwilliams4656]

I feel like Assassin's Creed in general has a long intro. Especially after being introduced into the real world as Desmond. But Jules you are the gaming community's therapist! Your words are inspiring 👌🏾, you feel like a friend...despite me being just a KZbin spectator lol

[@nerdvanacomics1164]

It felt like it took an absolute age for Pokemon Sun and Moon to stop holding my hand, felt like everytime I entered a new town the game gave me the guided tour "this is the Pokemon centre, this is the Pokemart, this is the area leader where you will get your badge" I know you've shown me 3 times already.

[@bhcjp15]

I didn't get my first "power" in Starfield until about 60+ hours in 😅 Got very sidetracked

[@Waffle1980]

I hear ya. 150 hours in myself and still sidetracked. Lol.

[@iontvrocks4922]

Days Gone. Slow starting but really good once you’ve spent sometime with it. It’s very underrated.

[@thatdaveguy4130]

Vid ideas🎉: 1. games where I'd rather have played as one of the other characters in it. 2. Game franchises where the 1st game was the best one! 3. The best game character cameos from other games. 4. Biggest financially bombed games ever. 5. The best gratuitously company sponsored games ever! Like Pepsi man 😂 or cool spot ❤

[@circeciernova1712]

Lol Dan Derpin. (j/k, nice editing Dan! I feel like not enough people recognize or appreciate the work editors do to make videos cogent, to set up in-game graphics so everything flows smoothly, hunting down pictures and videos, and so much syncing on top of a zillion other things. Thank you for all the work you do to make this lot look good!)

[@timidwolf]

The ironic thing about #8 is that opening sequence was the best part of the game, interesting character with noble intentions and a better plan than what ended up happening because of it being ruined by the exceptionally dull, easily influenced protagonist!

[@Jetthehawk1994]

How about tie-in video games that are difficult to place within the continuity? Such as DC Super Hero Girls Teen Power and Transformers Prime the Game.

[@Waffle1980]

I have to chuckle at the Starfield bit. I had heard a bit about "super powers" in the game early into playing it but have been having so much fun just exploring and surveying the various worlds I've clocked 150+ hours without moving past the first intro to the Eye. Suppose I should get on with it. Lol.

[@jefffreeman8905]

It's not exactly what you're talking about, but the Paradox grand Strat games like Stellaris and Heart of Iron typically take a couple hundred hours of "Wait THAT'S what that does? Damn it I guess I have to restart" before you finally settle in for full runs.

[@MichaelJDMusic]

Kingdom Hearts II! That whole first section with Roxas was a trip on the first playthrough. More fun on replays though haha

[@screamingtongue]

What about a list of games that held your hand way too much? Like games where the tutorial is still telling you what to do right up until the end.

[@daviddyer8807]

Totally right about HL2, its not that the game isn't good from the start, but you definitely get thrust into this whole new world and you spend a good deal of time figuring out what is going on and what your role is, until the real meat (gravity gun and action shooting) kicks in.

[@joshuacitron899]

I can’t agree more with Starfield. I’m 30 something hours into it and feel the game just started, which is insane to think about. There’s still so much I haven’t even started to do let alone figure out. This can sound overwhelmingly negative to someone who hasn’t played the game ; the reality is though that there are very few games I’ve personally found entertaining enough to want to invest as much time in as I already have. I can count on one hand how many games in my 33 years of life I’ve spent 30+ hours on. I did so with no expectation of what has happened, and am now pleasantly surprised at how much more the game has opened up/expanded at this point. I’m also eager to get further into it and explore/learn the facets I’ve yet to even touch on.

[@ScrubMyTub]

cold snap here in Canada too this week, had a shitload of rain too

[@MasamuneShinto]

The prologue video for Deus Ex: Humanity Divided (which can’t be skipped I might add) goes for between 30-45 mins where you can’t do anything while the game feeds you exposition about the events of all the previous titles. Seriously! If players want to be brought up to speed, maybe just put a selectable “Bacckstory” option in the gallery menu? Saves you a lot of player frustration right there.

[@renathystdream]

Don't get me wrong I LOOOOVVVEEE Okami, one of my favs, but it's intro/prologue is DENSE, with both cutscenes, and rather minor gameplay, until you have a map to run around it. Story wise it makes sense, but it really does take a few hours before the you get world area for act 1. Personally, I don't mind, but it did make it difficult to show friends at the time, they were like, "Oh it's one of those (movie) videogames" while I try not to blow up at them during the many beginning cutscenes...

[@TheSirMichaelJ]

I've been a casual viewer for years and this is literally the first time I've heard of any Suikoden game mentioned. The whole series is amazing and highly recommended. 5 is the only one I don't own, sadly.

[@KaneCharlesFoster]

What about a video about games/quests/bosses that you have to really really work to be able to die/lose ? Some of examples just to explain better what I mean 1) Guild of Dungeoneering lose to the tutorial Rubber Ducky, there even the achievement "Inconceivable" for doing that 2) The Secret of Monkey Island, you really have to be willing to wait to drown. There's something similar in Return to Monkey Island 3) Baldur's gate III, you really need to be willing to die if you ignore "someone" requests to revive his dead body before something bad happens. I'm sure there are many other examples.

[@archmagefrey]

Best Ducks in video games and why TimeSplitters 2 is #1.

[@DanReyesB]

Kingdom hearts 2... Twilight goddamn Town. Only the cutscenes are about 2 hrs total, I want to beat shadows with a ridiculously oversized key, not chasing a trash bag with a dog in it.

[@Brrighttt]

I have been playing starfield for nearly +60 hrs already and i didn't even know I can unlock special abilities from the main story till now??! I've put more time into side quests, base building and exploring that I haven't done much of the main story to know about that, I'll need to go and get started on that now 😅

[@sneakykamon]

Oh yeah! Getting that first ability is honestly a game changer far as combat is concerned. Especially when fighting a Terramorph, but if you haven’t unlocked your first ability yet then I’m saying too much. Have fun!

[@MrsMcBrieBrie]

Haha, I’ve put in 55+ hours and haven’t got my first ability. Didn’t know about it until now 😂

[@ashwean]

Just do till the quest into the unknown which gives you the first power but you can get all of the others as well from Vladimir some of them are just nuts

[@jenni8200]

I have about 20 hours in and also had no freaking clue

[@ashwean]

@@jenni8200 honestly most of them are meh but there are alot of game changers like a personal O2 bubble so you can run till it fades and just re pop it even on lvl 1 (they level with ng+

[@CNotez-uo8kp]

The lovemaking joke was hilarious😂. Thanks Jules

[@tiagobardella3311]

About Heavy Rain, the game is so incredible that I didn't even remembered that the tutorial took so long...

[@mikeburkhart8336]

Dragon Warrior 7 on PS1. It had an hour and a half of puzzle room after puzzle room after puzzle room before you even fight one monster battle,which of course are slimes. Glad they cut all that out in the 3DS remake.

[@maartinezz777]

A good idea, and question we had among friends, that : Top games you would relive as it you were playing for the first time. Mine would be Elden ring or Death stranding.

[@kainquioneofmany957]

As an owner of Suikoden's 1-5 I can contest 5 is the worst when it comes to getting ur castle (home base). 4 was a slog in general but at least u got ur base early. 3 u can get early if you did it right. 1 and 2 happen pretty much at the same time frames 1 or 2 hrs in depending on a little RNG. When Jules says 15hrs.....that's pretty much bare minimum depending on ur luck factor especially if you are playing it on console cuz it was notorious for crashing.

[@sheld0n]

Can you do 5 games that encourage players to resolve challenges in unconventional ways?

[@ChymicalEVV]

Dishonored, divinity Original Sin 1&2, fallout, starfield, Elder scrolls, pathfinder Kingmaker & wrath of the righteous. Balder's gate... wasteland... Stellaris.... uhh there are so many.

[@Touya82TT]

The complaint about Yakuza 3 not having much combat during the sections where Kiryu is running the orphanage just made me laugh out loud as I imagined scenarios where Kiryu is forced to fistfight rogue orphans and oh no, there I go laughing again.

[@ArcaneAzmadi]

I'd suggest Remnant: From the Ashes for this list. Oh, it's not bad for the first few hours, but it can be a bit bland blasting your way across the dull ruins of post-apocalyptic Earth using only a handful of fairly ordinary human-made weapons like hunting rifles and shotguns, before you beat either Singe or The Ent, enter the mystical otherworldly labyrinth, and wind up on the harsh radioactive sands of the alien world of Rhom. THAT'S when the game actually starts to really get good. Gunfire Games realised this when it came to making the sequel, which is why Remnant II has only a short tutorial sequence on Earth before you wind up being sucked through the world stone to one of the other alien worlds (only this time it's selected at random- I got the dead, nightmarish hellscape of N'Erud on my first playthrough).

[@Renderous89]

Hey Jules! I would love to see a list of the video games that need multiple playthroughs for the true experience (Baldur's Gate 3 springs to mind as one but I know there's gotta be more)

[@Canadamus_Prime]

The biggest issue I had with the tutorials in Legends Arceus is that a character would explain a mechanic and then a window would pop up and reiterate what the character just explained. Like, ok I get it!!

[@CoreyKaha]

I never quite finished the game, but the whole thing just seemed like a tutorial to me, it just forever seemed to be trying to teach you things. Arceus was such a disappointment to me, I just wanted them to go back to the more linear games, at least Scarlet/Violet was an improvement despite the issues.

[@TheLele2921]

Honorable mentions (imo): Kingdom come deliverance No Man's Sky Death Stranding Persona 5 Feel free to expand:

[@jormungaurd]

Heck, I'm surprised you didn't include Cyberpunk 2077. We were promised a game with Keanu Reeves but we don't get him or even the title card of the game until several hours into the game.

[@deadlyquestion]

"It's surely best remembered for introducing the world to one of the most legendary weapons in video game history: The Crowbar."

[@AbsolutelyAmel]

Top 10 Moments in games where they take away everything you have (aka Silent Hill 2 where you can't ride the elevator with you weapons and suddenly the game gets more scary)

[@pirateadam3686]

Slight tweak - 10 games that take your stuff and DON'T GIVE IT BACK! 😡 Looking at you Far Cry 5, and losing all my ammo and throwables each time Only You starts playing from a tree or cloud or some bo**ocks!

[@entysing6780]

A list of video games that are absolutely amazing gems that everyone told you were crap

[@talahar123]

There is a Suikoden FIVE?! I played 1 back in the day and I knew about 2, but FIVE. Gosh darn. :D

[@captbuckyohare5585]

Can't believe Final Fantasy XIII isn't on here. The first 15-20 hours are essentially a veeerrrrryy drawn out tutorial where all you do is run down empty corridors fighting whatever enemy is in front of you, while the game very VERY slowly reveals the story, opens up the combat mechanics, and locks you out of things like controlling who's in your party. After 20 hours, it's a banging time.

[@Saddonghussein]

No there not, the game had a lot of tutorials, but after chapter 2 it became a normal game that stop you to teach you new things every chapter

[@SilverSpectre266]

immediately when I read the title my mind thought of Starfield, not because of the long tutorial, but because Todd Howard said in the press release leading up to its launch that it would take hours before it gets good. Some quotes have him saying it could take upwards of 100+ hours before the game actually gets going. So thats what immediately made me think that would be in here. Hell, if you just google "takes hours before it gets good" Starfields comes up without you having to search its name. Thats too long for a game to get going. Although some players have said it was only about 10 hours before the game got interesting, but still thats too long.

[@aaronmccullers384]

As someone with over 140 hours playing Starfield, I can say that this is and is not accurate. Basically, I did enjoy the game right from the start because I enjoyed the mystery of the main quest, but as I progressed I unlocked (and am still unlocking) various mechanics that renew my interest in the game making it more fun. I would say that Starfield's progression for unlocking game mechanics is tiered to keep player retention which works well for people like me who has ADHD but probably does not work well for people who want specific gameplay mechanics right out the gate without waiting 10-50 hours depending on how you go through the skill tree. Case in point: leveling everything required to fully modify ships as you please takes a long time if you dedicate everything towards that alone, so much so that I still don't have level 4 Starship Design (one of the 2 main perks required for unlocking ship parts), not that I need it though as most of the good stuff unlocked with levels 2 and 3 of Starship Design.

[@xwolfenstudx]

Since it's close to Halloween, how about a top 10 monsters in video games that are terrifyingly legendary. (Due to the mechanics, bad programming, or just sheer power or presence.)

[@rjgraylight]

Skyrim. In my first playthrough, I completely ignored the Greybeards calling me and went about exploring the entire map, completing hundreds of quests, killing nearly everything, became the leader of the Thieve's and Assassin's guilds, got fully kitted out with enchanted ebony and stalhrim gear, built my own house, got married, adopted kids, etc. I did everything the game could possibly offer, spent over 150 hours on it all..... All before I saw a single dragon in the entire game or realised what the game's story was supposed to be about. No joke, I spent over 150 hours in a single playthrough of Skyrim before I even knew about the existence of dragons. All because I ignored the call of the Greybeards at the start of the game. And do you wanna know why I ignored the call of the Greybeards in the first place? That gosh-darned ice-troll they place on the path! I saw it and couldn't kill it, so I said this is probably a late-game area and decided to come back to it later, only to ultimately forget about it. It ultimately took a friend of mine at the time talking about a dragon in the game to make me confused and wonder what he was on about. Mind, this was 2013-ish, two years after Skyrim's release and before it was next to impossible to avoid spoilers for anything because of the internet. When computer and TV monitors were still bulky boxes in all but the richest of homes.

[@kalpain]

20 hours into Final Fantasy 13 and the game was still giving me battle tutorials during what I thought were normal fights. I was wrong...

[@marcelcoetzee7152]

That game only unlocks your full battle abilities before last fight. The game is literally nothing but prologue.

[@HeyVagabondMusic]

Hey Jules, let’s see you breakdown the games with the most rewarding NewGame+ Thanks!

[@jordaniman3925]

Too be fair to Legends Arceus, there were a lot of new mechanics that hadn't been presented at all before.

[@jaminhaasch8529]

Dunno if you did this already, but what about rpg games that still have game ability, or should at least try. Examples I have off the dome are earthbound, dark cloud 2, secret of mana, harvest moon back to nature, of course link to the past, etc. I know you could run a fatty 20 best. Heck, I’d throw demon crest on that.

[@techlorknight338]

Dragon Age: Inquisition should be on this list for the same reason as Suikoden V. One could argue that the game proper doesn't start until you get skyhold. Which the first time took me around 20 or so hours.

[@robjsmiles]

Oh, yeah. Any subsequent playthroughs I just got the horse asap and spent as little time as possible on the initial side stuff, lol

[@techlorknight338]

@@robjsmiles same, like there's no point in doing everything possible before skyhold, as it's still there after you get it

[@ziggy78eog]

You should do, "games with the best crafting mechanics".

[@mikespike2099]

Oh that Kingdom Hearts 2 start put me off the game for a few years before I could gather the willpower to power through that start! 😅

[@BLScoop5]

Suggestion: a video about 'spiritual successor' games that did not succeed at all. (and are sometimes userped by a newer/remake version of the original but you don't need to put that part in the title.)

[@joshuawoodring1697]

Games with the best tutorials and others should take note. Like legend of dragoon where you have to talk to a person or can run by. MegaMan x where it's a level that teaches through consequence of your actions.

[@KatSavvie]

Great video! How about 8 Video Game Indies That Should Absolutely Be Played?

[@Felcaster]

I don't agree that HL2's enjoyment doesn't begin until the gravity gun but everyone's fun is different. What I do think is really interesting about HL2 being on this list is Valve's design philosophy is to build games that are one long unbroken tutorial. Listen to any valve director's cut and they'll explain how each new mechanic tutorial leads to another- the player is always learning in their games.

[@JerryOviedo]

Ok so I loved Assassins Creed 3. And well the first few hours didn’t bother me at all because I played assassins creed (the first game) first followed by the second. Now if you go from the very first assassins creed game into the second you will realized that the second game has a very long tutorial where your character starts out as a BABY and then and as a young kid who does stupid things because he is young. I remember doing the race with Ezio’s brother and screwing it up many many times and thinking why I was even playing this game since the first assassins creed game puts you in the actions right from the start. From that race to doing tedious errands, I was bored to tears when the game actually started. The second time I played it I actually liked it though because I liked the way it made you get comfortable with another character. So when I played assassins creed 3 and saw that they did the very same thing but with a ton more action and a huge twist I was in love. I think that they learned from assassins creed 2 and made the tutorial much more fun to play so that players would not get bored and stop playing before it got good 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@HylianFox3]

"I'm wearing my extra-fluffy PJ bottoms that you will never see!" Sounds like a challenge to me. I accept.

[@zerogunblader3134]

I really don't think you can put Arceus into this list xD it was such a depart from the usual that it makes sense to teach the new features xD if it was a normal pokemon game then sure but even I who has played all the pokemon games needed to be told the new stuff so idk what you talking about bud :D

[@Pacemeister]

Honestly I loved playing as Haytham at the beginning of AC3

[@ge0w4rs]

I mean... the opening sequence of HL2 is one of the more memorable parts of the game.. the gravity gun is a neat mechanic that adds something, but the story hits the ground running pretty hard and fast. Also, how could you not have FFXIII on here? It kind of has a 30 hour prologue...

[@snorlax2500]

I would like a list of games that take multiple playthroughs to experience all possible endings

[@erakfishfishfish]

My friend described Final Fantasy XIII as a good game once you get past the 30-hour tutorial. I’ll have to take his word for it, because I gave up after 20.

[@jennyf-eg5gl]

You did better than me. I made it to 10 and quit each time that I tried.

[@IamDaBlitz64]

Its gets "free" after that about of time ig. But the game itself is good despite the many claims of linearity, that are present in every other FF game as well.

[@christopherballero866]

I feel like Kingdom Hearts 2 should be on the list as I think it takes 3 hours to start playing as Sora

[@AMVShooterUnlimited]

I thought the same thing, I was just talking to my friend about it and even said before beginning the video that it would appear on the list. It does take around three hours (minimum) to play as Sora

[@atomicgator5207]

Lol! I had to chuckle at that Dynasty Warriors comment. I'm guilty of buying at least three version of that game myself. Also, thanks for spoiler warning about Starfield!

[@safaiaryu12]

Making me think of Warframe... the main tutorial when you start the game is one thing, but there's a major plot twist that also introduces a major ability which opens up a lot more of the game literally like 60 hours in. Like, completely changes the game from generic third person looter/shooter sci-fi to something way more unique and interesting, and with deep moral conundrums. Don't get me wrong, it blew my mind because it was completely unexpected and I fucking loved it, but also, having introduced multiple people to Warframe, most give up on the game waaay before then. There's value to being completely invested in the game before the major twist, but I also wish it happened sooner, so people could see earlier how cool and unique the game is.

[@NicCageFan]

I love the Haytham stuff.

[@aJohnnyBenton]

Red Dead Redemption 2, Death Stranding, Dying Light 2 and Days Gone spring to mind.

[@himonightbreeze]

I genuinely forgot how long Twilight Princess's prolong was. Still a great game. Wish I held onto my Gamecube.

[@Sunprism]

It's kind of amazing you mention a half life game with a slow start, and don't mention that Damn trolley ride from the first one at all