The 6.0 Vortec - Reliability & Common Problems!

[@subterfusion4005]

The big draw for the 6.0 for me was that i could look at HD Chevys with 125k- 150k miles costing well under 30k that would still give me 100k miles or more of solid service.

[@8020Media]

Subter - Completely agree!

[@subterfusion4005]

I ended up purchasing a 2015 LT crew cab with 155,000 miles for 24,000.00. Just using it as a tow vehicle for our RV. Extremely satisfied.

[@8020Media]

You're going to get at least another 155k miles!

[@davedemchak3309]

Yep. Love my HD Chevy with 178k miles and 6.0. Pulls a 10,000lb boat.

[@christophersanchez-bh1be]

I just picked up a 2015 2500HD with 33k for 29k.

[@Ghost-xi6js]

Ladies and gentleman, the factory torque converters in the 2500HD trucks with 6.0 are weak junk. Upgrade them with a circle D or some other heavy duty billet converter BEFORE they go out. If they go out, it ruins the tranny, cooler, and lines. I had to have mine replaced at 40,000 miles on my 2015. Luckily I pay close attention to everything and one day the trams temp started running about 30° hotter than usual, gas mileage dropped by 5 mpg, and check engine light came on. Took it home immediately, scanned it, and two codes for torque converter came up. Called Chevrolet and a transmission shop and both told me the converter was starting to fail and not to drive it. Chevy wanted to replace it with the same junk that was already in it. So I loaded it up and hauled it 200 miles to a shop who replaced the converter with a better one and while they had it apart, they put a stage one kit in it that allegedly made it beefier. My truck only has 41,600 miles right now.

[@8020Media]

Ghost - Sorry to hear this... However, thanks for sharing your experience!

[@CodySimoncelli-of7xx]

I have a 2017 Silverado 2500 6.0. You are right on the money about the factory converter. Mine came apart at 68k miles and took out the entire transmission. Wasn’t even towing when it failed.

[@8020Media]

Cody - Thanks for sharing your experience!

[@66chvle]

Interesting, I have 128,000 towing 34 "camper and working roofing all original?

[@Chevy-f4l]

what codes did you have??? I have p0894 trans component slipping on a 08 Chevy Express 6.0 l with 4l80e

[@teagreen2220]

Got a L96, went over it at 80k miles, had to retorque many bolts going into the block and heads. This is an awesome engine, will be used for racing after its towing life is over.

[@8020Media]

T - Thanks for sharing your experience!

[@69sound81]

Great! I have one too in my 2019 express van 3500. It is fairly new because we bought that van for a very speciphic purpose and it doesn't see a lot of pavement or sun like our daily drivers. But I was wondering what I could face later with it and I believe I have a bulletproof engine to rely on. It gets taken care of better than the premium cars of the company owners, gets used less, only gets original parts or better and gets used about once per week and hits the road for long miles about once per month. Although, I wonder if we can get the engine to deliver slightly more HP and torque figures without a significant hit on the reliability department. The engine should last 100k miles before being opened (at least, preferably 200k and I believe that is not a rare occurance for L96 engines).

[@8020Media]

Sound - You should easily get 100k+ depending on how well it is maintained.

[@guikirsch9758]

458,000 on the clock and still going 💪

[@8020Media]

G - Thanks for sharing your experience!

[@Cringe_Anarchy]

375k miles on my 06 2500hd. Still strong

[@8020Media]

N - Nice, thanks for sharing your experience!

[@joeyoung3319]

That's what I'M talking about! What year? What tranny work have you needed?

[@joeyoung3319]

​@@Cringe_Anarchy That's what I'M talking about... What year? What tranny work have you needed?

[@vhp454]

I own a 2011 Chevy hd3500 with a 6.0 I ended up getting heads from texas speed, 46lb injectors, BT camshaft and lifter's, 102 throttle body, header's, to a 3.5 single exhaust, then ended up rebuilding the 6L90 with major upgrades. After tuning with HP on a chassis Dyno,i ended up with 509 hp and 511 Tq. Added a custom gear vendors to the transmission, i got the power now and i been averaging 16.4 mpg on the highway

[@8020Media]

V - Nice! Thanks for sharing your experience. Sounds like you've got a great build.

[@jalexs5283]

That's awesome! Could you do a cost breakdown on the upgrades?

[@zkgarage1939]

sweet, I'm currently looking at a 2018 2500 CCLB 4wd with 123k on the clock. Glad to hear they are reliable.

[@8020Media]

ZK - Certainly. Just a matter of how they've been maintained in the past and how they are maintained in the future.

[@Eduardo-sp8jp]

Did you end up buying it? I’m currently looking at a 2017 2500 6.0 with 109k and lots of service records. The dealer is asking 27k is that worth it?

[@Chevywhoopwhoop]

I have a 2011 2500hd 6.0 with 322000 miles and still running like new. As long as you keep up with the oil change and your normal maintenance the truck will run like new 🤙🏻

[@8020Media]

C - Well said! Thanks for sharing your experience.

[@Chevywhoopwhoop]

@@8020Media thank you 🤙🏻

[@eskimomonkey2]

Driving a 2005 1500hd 6.0 with 245k kms on the engine. Has had new head gaskets, oil pump, and water pump since new. A very reliable engine.

[@8020Media]

E - Thanks for taking the time to share your experience! Sounds like you have a good one.

[@straightwhiteandproud9643]

I'm rockin the L96 in a 2012 bought it at 210000 and put 15000 on it so far only problem has been fuel mileage and exhaust manifold leaks . Switched from a duramax so power sucks but she's holding in there. Gonna do a cold air intake and true duel exhaust and injectors and cam and have it professionally tuned and it will hopefully make a huge difference pulling a load.

[@8020Media]

S - This should absolutely make a huge difference. Quite difficult going from a diesel to a Vortec, but hopefully you get everything you want out of it!

[@metabang03]

Pretty sure changing the truck around will give lower fuel econmy but ull def have the extra power. If your getting 12-13.5 with stock suspension and tires, your doing normal mpg, it's not easy to drive slow enough to get 14-18 mpg out of the 6.0. It is possible to get 18 mpg though. But 35 max city speed 55 max on freeway lol and they fall on their face when towing compared to a duramax for sure. Just Rev it up to 5500 rpm, that's where all the power is and be patient.

[@BobFord-i3n]

have 2002 2500hd with 6.0 an 5 speed manual. 390000 miles an still working every day pulling 16 ft enclosed lawn care trailer.

[@8020Media]

B - Thanks for taking the time to share your experience!

[@pdx650]

I'm happy after doing some research to know that these L96's were also put into Chevy's Express vans. Add a ball hitch to the rear and you can haul a variety of trailers for whatever purposes you may have. Plenty of space inside a van, too, for hauling items or living inside of. Granted, the vans did not come with 4-wheel-drive, but they can be modded to be 4x4. Then there's the G80 locker in the rear diff as an option as well. I drive a 2500/3500 (extended wheel base) almost every other week with 'G' being the eighth VIN digit (L96) 6-liter engine and I am happy with it's performance. When searching for a vehicle, I always look for 'G' in the eighth position. If there is any other character, I pass it up.

[@8020Media]

PDX - Thanks for adding this insight!

[@aquaman6376]

I’m pretty sure it’s the 5th vin number .

[@cgeek9474]

It's the eighth, I looked it up in my owners manual

[@breakinggames6356]

I had one of the older vortecs pre-afm series they are pretty solid I got 320,000 original miles before the frame went out

[@8020Media]

Nice that's awesome. We're going to see what we can get out of our 5.3L.

[@breakinggames6356]

@@8020Media the only issue I had with my 5.3 is a ticking that started and never went away no matter what I did to the motor supposedly its something the 5.3 does commonly

[@8020Media]

Thanks for sharing this feedback!

[@chrismartin500]

@@8020Media I had 260,000 on my 07 5.3 when I sold it with absolutely zero issues They are solid if you maintain them

[@saegewilliams2541]

What year looking at 05

[@bradymeredith3528]

I’ve beat the piss outta my L96 from 55k to 208k so far, still hauls everyday only thing replaced so far is the throttle position sensor and was super easy to fix

[@8020Media]

Brady - Sounds like you've got a good one! Thanks for sharing your experience.

[@derekhammack1928]

It wasnt a 6.8 liter that replaced the L96 and Ly6 it was the 6.6 gas

[@8020Media]

Derek - Thanks for the insight.

[@mikehobbs7421]

As of today I am about to take ownership of my second gmc Sierra 2500hd 6.0L 4x4. This one is the 2019 SLE trim 8 foot bed. It’s got 188,000km on it that I got tax in for under $40,000 Canadian which is ridiculous I know but that’s reality of living in Canada at this point in time. It is to replace my 2009 gmc Sierra 2500hd 6.0L 4x4 sle that has 360,000km on it and still going strong with Minimal repair costs. I hope my new truck gives me the same value that I got out of my old truck.

[@8020Media]

M - Congrats! Keep us updated.

[@MMatte75]

I had a 2008 GMC 2500 with the 6.0 for 12 years awesome motor no major issues with 155,000 miles only issue was the exhaust manifold bolts.

[@8020Media]

M - Thanks for taking the time to share your experience!

[@jolujo5842]

6.0 vortec L96 is awsome. Stock 348 hp with no tuning. Mated to the true Allison 6 speed trans and 1ton (3500) drive line... It's a bullet proof mule.

[@8020Media]

J - Depending on maintenance, pretty much true.

[@66chvle]

have not seen allison only 6L90?

[@frenchonion4595]

@@66chvle As far as i know the allison are in the diesel's gas uses the 6l90

[@svechappe6075]

We have 331,000 miles on our 2002 Yukon Denali with the 3rd gen 6.0 Vortec. Had it since new, still going strong, gets 15 mpg combined. Unfortunately we're going to lose the body to rust in the next few years.

[@8020Media]

SVE - Thanks for sharing this. I'd say you're getting a good 20 years out of that one!

[@IrishNew]

I have a 5.3 on a 2005 yukon slt and do t get 15 mpg combined. I have a hard time believing a denali w allwheel drive w the 6 litre gets better mpg than a 5.3 w no all wheel drive. I do live in hilly mountains in Canada so up/down stop and go city which is why i went 5.3 SLT. Its rated at 13 city,19 hwy. 6 litre is worse but a better tow motor.

[@RyanJohnson-ft6qi]

Ive had a lq4, strong engine, beat on it all day no problems, only thing i did was new knock sensors and seal them up with rtv, gas hog though with 4.10s

[@8020Media]

R - Thanks for taking the time to share your experience.

[@codywatts7625]

Got a 2003 GMC 2500 HD 2 wheel drive Sierra with a 6.0 vortec absolutely love it it's good on gas it's got good power fairly easy to work on did an alternator swap the other day now the radiator was a pain in the ass cuz it's got f****** c-clamps on the lines but other than that it's reliable love it and I don't want to go any newer

[@8020Media]

C - Thanks for sharing your experience! They can certainly be great if taken care of!

[@t3073-b4i]

The HD 6.0s are great. The issue is the 6L90 that's attached to them.

[@8020Media]

T - Well said!

[@mattleonard5268]

It’s a 4l80e in a lot of trucks

[@PeterHodge-l9c]

GM got it right with the 6L90. It’s the 4L80’s that suck

[@slaytanic921]

The 6l90 in my L8T has been fine so far. 31k miles with about 14k of it towing my 5th wheel. I’m going to change the transmission and transfer case fluids soon.

[@firebirdlover4460]

My understanding is that L96 does not have AFM.

[@8020Media]

I believe it had all of the oil passages for AFM but just didn't use them.

[@firebirdlover4460]

Yeah, I believe that was the case. @@8020Media

[@jdinnis]

@@8020Media Neither the LY6 nor the L96 had AFM. Only the L76, L77, LFA and LZ1 code engines had this. They all use essentially the same block, but the LY6 and L96 do not have the AFM lifters installed, so less prone to failure than the engines with those lifters installed. Both versions also have the larger LS3 style head ports. They did have Variable Valve timing, but that system does not seem to have been as troublesome as the AFM. A lot of hot-rodders will get a L96 motor, delete the VVT and change over to an LS3 cam. Cheap performance. You can easily get these upwards of 480hp and 500ft/lbs.

[@8020Media]

J - Thanks for taking the time to add this insight!

[@dn8533]

Well, my 2008 vortec has 650k kms and going strong still

[@8020Media]

D - Great to hear! Thanks for taking the time to share your experience.

[@billholland9366]

274K on my 08 2500 crew cab LTZ, leaks nothing, burns nothing.... I love my truck.

[@briansimpson9371]

We looked at a 2010 gmc 3500 slt with the 6.0 in it about 5 years ago. They wanted 20 grand for it. No one wanted to buy it because it had 200,000 km on it. I checked the forums from down in the states and guys were saying 200,000miles were nothing on that motor so I offer them 18 grand and they took it right away. I absolutely love this truck. Fully loaded and power is great. Best thing ever and they want over 100,000 to replace this truck now.......getthefuckoutahere lol

[@8020Media]

Brian - Sounds like you've got a good one! Thanks for sharing your experience.

[@NoLimitsCommemorativ]

So, as long as I buy a used 2500 HD I should be ok? Switching from Ram to a Chevy to haul a slide in camper

[@8020Media]

N - Wouldn't necessarily say that. There's a ton of Chevy options.

[@NoLimitsCommemorativ]

@8020Media Cross shopping 2500's. Ram or GM. Don't want active cylinder deactivation, GM's IFS vs Rams SFA is a plus but Stellantis is struggling and can get huge deals on 2024's. Used 6.0 with 100k miles are 25-30k.

[@adrianlaverick8040]

AFM was not used in the 2500hd or 3500hd. Only 1500s

[@8020Media]

A - Thanks for the insight.

[@daviesdan18]

Good video lots of good information. The lq4 is the best . It has lower compression ratio so it cant make as much power as the new 6.0s... I do 100% agree with everything you said. Can i add that stock dyno numbers say 300 horsepower at only 4400 rpm??? Gm detuned them from the factory to make them last longer. They turn off fuel enrichment and shift points at 5200 rpm. I own an 07 lq4 silverado. I got like 50 hp just from turning on fuel enrichment. But yes from factory they are slow but reliable.

[@daviesdan18]

The eco boost makes like 400 horses power at like 6000 rpm. I understand the comparison you made yes on paper it looks good but id take the low end power of the lq4 over the ecoboost in a heavy pick up truck

[@8020Media]

Davies - Thanks for taking the time to add these insights! Will certainly be helpful for future viewers!

[@8020Media]

It's all comes down to personal choice and needs!

[@LifeIsBetterOutside]

i have 2012 sierra 2500hd, god only knows how much went wrong around the engine and still repairing more, but the engine seems to be good, 340 000km on it, getting 18mpg on highway and 9mpg when towing 24ft 5th wheel, quite a jump but expected, manifold leaks on both sides, couldnt even find the heads

[@8020Media]

Life - Thanks for sharing your experience! Seems like you've got a bit more life in it.

[@LifeIsBetterOutside]

@@8020Media thank you for replying, maybe a dumb question on these engines but i just cannot afford a full manifold exhaust repair right now, do you think that waiting untill spring is a good idea or should i do it as soon as possible, using the truck to tow every other week.. would it get better performance? Sometimes it feels sluggish but got used to it

[@8020Media]

If you're using it to tow, we would advise sooner rather than later. But if it doesn't line up with your budget, then just keep listening to it to make sure it isn't getting worse. This leak isn't the end of the world, but you will certainly have decreased performance because of it.

[@LifeIsBetterOutside]

@@8020Media thank you

[@aurorathekitty7854]

Saw a 2019 Chevy van with the 6.0 in it and looking to see how that motor is

[@8020Media]

A - What kind of van?

[@ep6606]

The AFM is the reason I got rid of my 2011 Silverado. I do miss it though.

[@8020Media]

Ep - AFM will do that to you.... We completely agree.

[@ramaswamynarayanaswamy4806]

@@8020Media AFM needs consistent oil changes and the right type of oil.

[@8020Media]

R - Completely agree!

[@vhp454]

My 2011 doesn't have the afm I think the 6.0 in hd3500 never came with afm.

[@coltonmilne1371]

Thanks for all the info! I think I have the L96 built by Indmar in my 2012 Malibu boat.

[@8020Media]

C - Thanks for the feedback and insight!

[@JayRides-ul9uf]

260 000+ kms on a 2007 1500hd classic with the 4l80e. Probably just broken in. Lol. Motor is no power house by any means, and fuel economy sucks. However, the truck has never left me stranded. All I have had to do are fluid changes, spark plugs, tires, brakes just normal wear stuff. The only 4 gripes are that a manifold bolt broke off before 100 000km, a maf sensor failed, a knock sensor, and the oil pan gasket has a slow leak. The knock sensor and gasket being common problems with that generation of 6.0. Aside from that, bullet proof!

[@8020Media]

J - Thanks for taking the time to share your experience!

[@robertmoulton2656]

So. When shopping how can I make sure not to buy one with AFM? If I stick solely to 2500s? Safe ?

[@8020Media]

R - Honestly, some 2500s do have AFM. It will show up on the vehicle's buyer sheet, typically as "cylinder deactivation".

[@joeyoung3319]

Great video, highly informative. Looking forward to more of your work.

[@8020Media]

J - Thanks for the feedback and support! Hope it helped, we don't plan on stopping anytime soon.

[@pbmartinfencing]

I’ve had several , the 2003 I’ve got now had a “knock “ on startup 😂😂😂 so I got it cheap … I tried to tell the guy everyone I’ve ever had done that , he insisted it was a rod knock.. 4 years later I’m daily driving it and it’s still rolling on down the road 😂😂😂. They are great engines if you keep the oil changed , also always use oem sensors !!! Always

[@8020Media]

P - Thanks for sharing this insight! It will certainly be helpful for future viewers.

[@mallorymcguire833]

How can I tell if my van has AFM? It's a 2018 6.0 Express Cargo van 2500. I thought I had a pulley bearing noise but shop said it's likeky a cam or lifter problem. I found a page that said AFM was only on the 6.0 Vortec Max. How do I know if I have the Vortec Max? I bought my van with only 15k miles and have been religiously following maintenance schedules. It only has 58k miles now.

[@8020Media]

Mallory - If you are wanting to know if your vehicle has AFM, it is best to pull the VIN and look it up. This will likely indicate if you have AFM or not.

[@t3073-b4i]

None of the Express vans have AFM.

[@csh000]

AFM is a half ton truck feature. It's not on any heavy duty truck engine I've ever seen.

[@sarahsilva319]

Would you prefer a 6.0 or an 8.1? Maybe an LB7? I am looking to live out of a camper and will be putting a TON of miles on whatever I drive.

[@8020Media]

S - In your case, we would do an 8.1. But both would do the job.

[@JayRides-ul9uf]

@sarahsilva319 LB7 if the original injectors have been replaced, and truck has been well maintained, and you are willing to do the extra required maintenance. I would also recomend a fuel additive like hotshot secrets to prolong the cp3 and injector life. The 8.1 is the next best option, big block torque, much simpler to work on and cheaper to maintain. Will be stopping at alot more gas stations though. Lol. If you wanted to dole out the extra cash, The egr deleted LBZ diesels are king. Good power, reliable, stout allison, and you don't have to remove the valve covers to get to the injectors.

[@toads_ride845]

I’m looking at a 2009 with 140k on the motor SLT package should I consider it they want 15k to buy

[@8020Media]

T - Could be worth it, but we aren’t going to advise on a purchasing decision. Make sure to get maintenance records regardless.

[@michaelohara2161]

How do you know if a vehicle has AFM. I am going to look at a 2018 2500 HD passenger van with 6.O vortec.

[@8020Media]

M - Best way to find out is by looking up the VIN.

[@t3073-b4i]

None of the HD trucks or vans have AFM, and the express/savanna is only available as HD.

[@martinolivas319]

I actually swapped out my 1976 Silverado with the L96 6L90E from a 2019. I’m wanting to make at least 500 rwh. In regards to my stock set up in your opinion would I need to change torque converter and internals along with a internally upgraded transmission , or is it possible to simply change the camshaft and throw on a forced induction via turbo or supercharger with a tune?

[@8020Media]

The 6L90 can hold around 500whp, and the motor itself is good for that so no need for upgraded internals. You might eventually need a trans/torque converter upgrade but you can also bust it first and then swap it for like a stage 1 built trans that can handle more and it would probably end up similar in cost to doing all of the upgrades ahead of time so I'd say see if the trans will hold up first - lots of people claiming it can hold 500+ - just would definitely recommend some transmission tuning on it. Camshaft, turbo, bolt-ons and let it ride!

[@martinolivas319]

I really appreciate your feedback and the content

[@8020Media]

No problem - Keep us updated!

[@gildroyboothe2548]

Does the 2014 6.0 have AFM no Compression cylinder seven and cylinder three

[@8020Media]

G - It shouldn't have AFM.

[@stevemino142]

There really isn't any cons to owning a 6.0 vortec 364 cubic inch as long as basic maintenance is followed your pretty well set for a very long time as an owner of 3 six-o vortecs they really are superior to anything else on the market then or now

[@8020Media]

S - Well said. Thanks for sharing your experience!

[@jasonslaughter2811]

Now i can be wrong but I’ve heard the L96 is the closest thing you can get to a Lsx block

[@helloeveryone906]

Would 2016 Passenger van 3500 6.0 have cylinder deactivation?.

[@8020Media]

Hello - It shouldn't have. But not a bad idea to pull the VIN to confirm.

[@helloeveryone906]

@@8020Media thanks so much 🙏 like others imo GM AFM is a mistake.

[@8020Media]

Couldn't agree more unfortunately.. They aren't built like they used to be, that's for sure.

[@DanielSonIrrigation]

Haha I noticed the Hunter sprinkler timer

[@8020Media]

D- Yep.

[@willfreethemfreethem7671]

My 6.0 has 236k and still going

[@8020Media]

W - Thanks for sharing your experience!

[@younbullhd]

I’m looking at a 2013 2500hd with 167k for 16k is that a good deal. Its literally immaculate

[@8020Media]

Y - Sounds like a good deal. Just make sure to get maintenance records.

[@Jadakeez]

2012 hd extended 8’ bed 150k i paid 8 but i have a little bed rust

[@8020Media]

J - Thanks for sharing your experience!

[@ThnkB4Spk]

I bought a 2013 2500 HD with 90,000 for $19.000 and I love it . Does everything I need it to do and then some. I tow a 26' travel trailer with no worries. Definitely get at least a 2500. 1500 are just big cars to me.

[@8020Media]

T - Thanks for taking the time to share your experience!

[@kimrowoon2474]

How many miles Per gallon does it consumed?? Because my friend had a GMC savana explorer

[@8020Media]

The Savana Explorer probably got pretty mediocre gas mileage. These things typically get around 13-16mpg.

[@JESUSK17JL]

Ram 5.7 vs ford 6.2 vs chevy 6.0 ???

[@8020Media]

J - What about them?

[@HardNorthOutdoors]

so the take away here is that you cant compare a diesel to a gas truck for the simple reason that diesel per drop holds more energy chemically then gas. the 6.0 only got a few hp/tq over that time cus it was a fleet spec engine. you want to keep it reliable while pulling its max capacity so they added VVT to the L96 for more power while not giving it a bigger cam. a simple cam swap will give you 100hp more easy but plays with your reliability. lastly, the L8T is a 6.6, not a 6.8.

[@8020Media]

H - Thanks for the insight.

[@williamwolff4684]

The newest is a 6.6 gas.

[@8020Media]

W - Thanks for the insight!

[@futurefunk88eddins96]

11.9 here.

[@8020Media]

F - ???

[@futurefunk88eddins96]

Fuel mileage.​@@8020Media

[@8020Media]

F - Gotcha! Thanks for sharing your insight!

[@mattleonard5268]

The 8.1 is a better duramax alternative

[@8020Media]

M - They're both solid.

[@Red-b1r8i]

I love my 01 2500hd 6.0. Its slow but it can do everything the duramax can for those years, just a little slower. And I can build a 600hp 408 for a under 10k with a built trans. So a cheaper gas truck that will make more power than a diesel for the same years and be more reliable? Only idiots and kids think you have to have a diesel.

[@8020Media]

R - Some good points.

[@mattleonard5268]

The L8t is 6.6

[@8020Media]

M - Correct.

[@csh000]

And the upgraded L8P is also 6.6

[@jimmyjack7141]

Sorry but the 6.0 replacement is a 6.6 gas.

[@8020Media]

For the HD trucks, you are correct yes the L8T. I must have been referring to the half-tons but thanks for keeping me honest.

[@nickmainville9369]

They last long because they make no power 4th gen makes 280 hp on dyno lol

[@8020Media]

N - Thanks for the insight.

[@jidana3194]

6.8 L or 6.6 L

[@8020Media]

J - what?

[@jidana3194]

@@8020Media they guy repeatedly said 6.8

[@8020Media]

J - Misspoke on our part. 6.6

[@subaruwrx5701]

He mean 6.6 2020 up not 6.8

[@8020Media]

S - Yes, misspeak on our part. Thanks.

[@hellyeaOU812]

I guess if you want mediocre pulling power and no allison transmission sure go for gas. I want all the reserve power a diesel provides. please stick with gas I'll blow by you pulling 15k lbs all day long laughing my ass off.

[@8020Media]

H - Everyone has their own budget and different vehicle needs.