808s sound different in FL Studio and Ableton Live? 🤔🤨

DECAP goes over why 808's sound different in FL Studio & Ableton Live.
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[@fourmat5874]

I can see why you got a big audience man you’re so approachable and the way you answer questions with out sounding remotely smug is great!!!

[@montebarlo705]

It’s crazy bc I’ve been mixing for a min now. I finally understood this my 3rd or 4th year when I started tracking in ableton. Until now, I’ve never heard this explained online anywhere and it’s SO CRUCIAL to getting your mix to translate everywhere.

[@kresimirsokre6536]

That's why Alex Tumay eho mixed early Metro and Travis stuff said he was not into rendering the stems in FL, rather he was bouncing the trhu the AD converters into a PT session...probably bcz clipped 808's from FL sounded better without exporting them but rather recording them thru the converters. What's also wierd, there's a daw called MadTracker, which was coded by Arguru who also worked on early FL( deadmau5 made a song in his name),..anyway, that daw definetely sounds really good and had cool distortion...vocals sound crisp..

[@IamQrock]

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[@FatRonaldo]

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[@Batnano]

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[@Kryptdegen]

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[@MOVINGTARGETMUSIC]

love how you interact with the chat. Great work Decap! PS. Thanks for all the great, original sounds in your kits :)

[@Jvaldes609]

Amazing, as a logic user I learned something.

[@syedjawad75]

Love the new camera setup!

[@ygpa48]

Thank You DECAP

[@morgansteyn]

Thanks bro❗🙏🏾🙏🏾

[@SOUNDSBYLAITUE]

Great process

[@ElTerrorizta]

The velocity on ur midi can also make a difference on daw output

[@drkastenbrot]

All you have to do is look at the sampler and documentation. On both daws the velocity is by default linked to velocity with a similar but not identical mapping.

[@ElTerrorizta]

@@drkastenbrot yea unless you by default have it linked to none in fl studio like me.

[@highclass9349]

@@ElTerrorizta where?

[@ElTerrorizta]

@@highclass9349 midi settings bottom of box says velocity i linked mine to none

[@MVS_DJGillyGill]

explains a lot! I love the way fl does it but I guess I can get use to Ableton way

[@Beatitat]

Wooowwww okay, this makes sense. Appreciate the video g! - Andrew

[@omesssbeats6429]

There samplers sound different when you work with midi.... record a hihat in fl studio then put it In ableton and try to replicate the clip with sampler or simpler or audio they will sound different fl studio will sound cleanersame thing with 808s ableton will have clicks when they overlap even if you have 1 voice activated while fl studio cut itself feature will sound cleaner

[@Thomas_Quinn]

This has been driving me crazy. Did you ever find a way to get drums to sound normal in Ableton? Ive switched from FL and I can really hear the difference!

[@bavingeter423]

It’s honestly infuriating to me that this knowledge isn’t just widely known and accepted. This is undisputable science. There absolutely needs to be more objective research into answering these questions about digital audio. DECAP I hope more people follow your footsteps here, because this kind of content WILL strengthen the music community.

[@CRAYCRAY3592]

Great explanation, clipping knowledge

[@iceprada2]

Bro, I just learned something new Good looking for this big bro

[@vuks-fj7fl]

3:54 I love how the 808 is so loud its distorting his voice

[@renzobond]

man this was a masterclass

[@wakesfield]

I have both Ableton 10 and 11, FL Studio and they sound different. Regular players also sound different. I think not everyone can hear these differences, this is the only way I can explain it. I am happy to hear these differences. Greatings

[@zenscope8090]

Or maybe you just think it sounds different lol

[@2ndperspective418]

Another thing to keep in mind people, is that, in ableton by default , midi tracks are automatically put at "-12". unless you manually change your preferences

[@prod.heysus2838]

really important note

[@RiverBoyBeats]

Goat teacher

[@jerzboybeats]

Thank you sharing this. I thought there was a difference but you cleared up and gave an understanding in sound engine 101. 👍🏾

[@__BBRAGA__]

i just put a glue compressor with soft clip turned on on abletons master channel and sounds like fl limiter as well

[@MrDJSTRATEGY]

Great video. Im on studio one and the sampler. Vs the preview player. My 808 sound different. I choose sounds scrolling thru the preview player n the moment I drop it into my stock sampler its different

[@mikebrown6432]

This is something I have always tried to figure out

[@marquelamar]

Speaking of limiter on fl studio master chain: can you please make a video on putting a soft clipper on a master chain vs a limiter? Please and thank you!

[@JaymeSilverstein]

I've done extensive tests, making the same beat with the same sounds and parts in Ableton, FL and Protools and the Daws absolutely sound different. One could make a case for FL and PT sounding exactly the same but Ableton sticks out like a sore thumb. Ableton just has less depth and its darker off top. Very easy to hear. I'm listening on PMCs in a treated room.

[@nukenoly8751]

No doubt. Trust Silverstein

[@V1CCZ3XX]

here's something that barely gets brought up but I believe to be relatively true: the UI of each daw impacts how you perceive sound. FL has smoother animations, richer colors than Ableton, therefore we tend to perceive sounds from it as warmer/punchier whatever. Meanwhile Ableton has a colder color scheme by default so the opposite is true here.

[@nosohoentertainment4642]

If that's true, it's important to consider the user's opinion on the UI of each software to determine their expectation of the sound. For example, I think Ableton looks more professional, whereas FL looks like a video game. Based on just that, I would subconsciously differentiate the DAWs in a different way than you described.

[@johnnyklasing4002]

Lol when I use logic it feels like my music sounds corny because I associate it with garageband. But in ableton it sounds more full and rich because I associate it with professionals. Psychology man. Another thing is warp modes. Each DAW has different warp algorithm's and each one gives off different artifacts and timbres.

[@nosohoentertainment4642]

@@johnnyklasing4002 Truuue. I always feel like anything in Logic sounds stock if that makes sense

[@johnnyklasing4002]

@@nosohoentertainment4642 That is exactly how I would put it!

[@jeffmcbeff6084]

Because the 32-bit float WAV file has 770 dB more headroom!! ^^

[@theoriginalcoolkid]

770 db ?

[@jeffmcbeff6084]

@@theoriginalcoolkid Jupp, practical you can't clipp if you Record in 32bit Float!

[@brtv100]

What I don't understand is how one DAW can have more headroom than another, when their signals go through the same DAC. I would expect 0dB to be the ceiling of the DAC. Then how can you go above that without clipping?

[@jeffmcbeff6084]

@@brtv100 Google for "32-Bit Float Files Explained" ...

[@smiauu]

preach

[@blkmusic__]

Okay now can we put this crap to rest that "FL sounds better than Ableton" and vice versa?

[@blkmusic__]

But I guess FL has better bass cause the default theme has darker colors than Ableton. And Ableton has more treble focus cause of the grey/white theme. 🤷🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️

[@yeye367]

Ableton has a dark mode tho, for extra bass

[@decapmusic]

I agree, but this guy actually had a legitimate question about 808s sounding different in each daw and asking why. That’s why I answered it.

[@bboymac84]

@@blkmusic__ but why does that matter if they sound the same after you export it?

[@SergioMartinez-el8kg]

@@bboymac84 yo mac ! funny we meet here again, i used to see you on all the dj tunetable/midi videos on the comment secrion, remember me ? hahaha

[@chump8074]

decap out here droppin str8 knowledge

[@elypsemusic8042]

GaYbleton is good.❤️

[@officialjrduncanpage]

Another faulty thing about Fl Studio a lot of people don’t realize is that if you add Fl Studio Eq or other Fl plugins, there’s a slight gain added like by +1db. And the Automation effect can really effect the overall sound of the mix (if added on the master) that gives off a very subtle “warping sound”

[@dystopia-0616]

There are clicks at the beginning of 808 notes which play in quick succession. Even with 1 voice, and zero crossing at both ends. This problem does not occur in FL. any solutions?

[@stardusty8865]

That’s true. Have you found a fix to this?

[@dystopia-0616]

@@stardusty8865 clicks don't happen as often now, but if they do, go into the piano roll and make the note a tiny bit shorter so it doesn't interfere with the one after it

[@stardusty8865]

@@dystopia-0616 I’ll try that, thanks!

[@Thomas_Quinn]

Did you find a way to fix this?

[@stevenDtheFirst]

How about sample rate conversion algorithms? If the sample is in another sample rate than what the project I'm working on, even alone in Ableton I get different sounding hits depending on if "Default SR & Pitch Correction" is set to high or normal, and also if I drop it into a Simpler, it sound different. And yes I have exactly matched levels and the Simpler is playing an original pitch. It's audible to me and I have also proven the difference with a null test.

[@Thephantomnexus]

what to use instead of fruity soft clip? i think that clipper sounds the best but i have ableton

[@morgansteyn]

Question, should I mix down using a utility plugin OR should I turn it down using the gain (shapes the wav) ?

[@user-sx3nt2bf2u]

I tried it and the results were exactly the same

[@user-sx3nt2bf2u]

Sorry I tried swiping the channels and there were actually difference in transient not sure why

[@bailey5924]

It'll really depend on where you put the utility in the chain. If it's before stuff like compression and saturation, it'll sound different based on the input level. That's not really good or bad, just see what you like better as long as the final result is still under 0 dB it'll be fine

[@lockinatti]

Do mix-downs in Ableton sound different than monitoring the master in Ableton or is that only when we have clipping, and what is the difference? would love some technical clarification on that. Thank you

[@Randomperson-gz3ig]

What if you don’t want to turn it down

[@Tobi-oi3uf]

But then how to make sounds in Ableton louder and what about music genres that require clipping or distortion like Witch House? Is Ableton just not suited for those genres?

[@ayoonine]

I am def one of those guys that think that. Im primarily an ableton user.

[@ProdByStatic]

Genuis

[@ArthurMcGDM]

I think the reason why people think FL sounds different is because of the “circular panning law”, which if you check and uncheck it you can hear a difference like compression. FL specifically states that this shouldn’t cause a difference in sound but I hear different? I dunno, correct me if I’m wrong.

[@Squarion]

You're right. Sounds are quieter when dragged onto the channel rack instead of the playlist. Circular law is active there.

[@Sniper_T_2x]

my fl studio literally sounds different and i dont know why, is it the way the focusrite produces the sound?

[@VCMTOOLSHELP]

where did you study ? :)

[@tutorial4779]

alright. I agree with your thoughts. I have known the difference but were unsure from what it came or when it occured. How then can I get these linear overdistorted sound in ableton like in fl? Is there a plugin which can make it. My distortion units still cannot make them sound like in fl.

[@MxMTechno]

If you just play sound on one of the daw the sound is exactly the same when you use the same plugins Fl‘s piano roll tools are outstanding and you can literally automate anything to anything Ableton is much better for Live Performance

[@muzaarnold]

PRODUCERS PLS HELP ME!!! What’s the siren sample at 4:58 called??? I’ve heard Dilla use it a lot and I can’t find it 😭 thanks in advance

[@reginaldgrey8613]

here it is: kzbin.info/www/bejne/sJClqYubptutrKc

[@muzaarnold]

@@reginaldgrey8613 bless you (:

[@nocolorbeats4847]

Hey man, ive been having a few issues with Ableton I feel like you could put to rest. When I use sampler for 808's in ableton, it feels like the timing/groove gets messed up when you have a wide range of notes (like at the end of a measure). I suspect this is warping ( or lack of warping) making the transient hit a little slower or faster as the note is being transposed up/down. Basically i feel like when i try to make 808 roles/licks the timing doesn't sound right even though the midi notes are in the right place. It seems like in fl 808s and high hats just come out smoother for some reason. There's also an infuriating clicking that happens when 2 808 sampler notes are too close together. I have been trying to fix this for a long time, still can't figure it out. The only info i can find is to turn the attack, and that doesn't fix it.

[@Thomas_Quinn]

Did you ever find a way to fix this?

[@PandaPotPies]

so i should put a glue compressor with soft clip on on my default instrument

[@kevingreer6342]

my bro what is the diff between fl and ableton with clipped audio?

[@prod_ade]

Ok but why Ableton when u make the 808 on midi does he lose "punch" and fl no? (I tried velocity and more...and still not having same result)

[@armanddubois9862]

Check the peak volume, Ableton Simpler tend to be quieter than FL Sampler. There is a setting in the Ableton Simpler and Sampler that defines how much the velocity of the notes will affect the loudness in %, try turning that up

[@fiachnaodonnell7895]

@@armanddubois9862 If you render out a midi track and then level match it to the original audio they do NOT phase cancel. Which means when sounds are played with midi in Ableton something is genuinely affected, not just level.

[@i3vmbii]

DAWs shouldn’t make a difference in identical audio with identical bits but plugins within the DAW such as samplers can 100% sound different. If I load the same sample into Ableton, Logic and my Maschine, by default I’m getting 3 different colors of sample.

[@beatsbyfirstya5847]

i dont now what it is , but i worked in fl for 15 years and i switched to ableton 2 weeks ago. My sounds are getting cleaner, every plugin i open and make a melody its sounding way better and musical. 808's sounds cleaner , kicks sounds cleaner. Thanks for this informative video, but i can definitly feel or hear a difference in sound.

[@khari3133]

Yeah I feel you fl studio is muddy af IMO I noticed that when I switched to the Mpc

[@whooiis7262]

Lmao you guys are something

[@johnviera3884]

so use a clipper in Ableton to sound like FL Studio.

[@stivennolasco8681]

Decap I beg you please do reason I'm convinced there's something up with Reason it so dark and muddy I really think there's something I have years with reason please and thanks

[@rickyzortman8897]

What about throwing Logic in the mix? I’ve heard so many times that Logic sounds better than Ableton

[@Ferrichrome]

It's the same thing, 32 bit floating point audio engine. Audio when rendered below 0db will sound the same

[@i3vmbii]

Logic only handles 24 bit audio not 32 bit float so when talking about clipping it actually could sound different when talking pure audio clips. Another thing to point out is if we aren’t just dropping audio clips onto the timeline but actually loading them into samplers, things can sound very different between DAWs especially by default settings.

[@zaydtheproducer2675]

The “ common misconception “ is that people think the reason people say drums in go hit harder is because of the “sound engine”. There’s a reason drums hit harder in FL only if you know what the sauce is. It also only applies in FL 11 Y’all are the ones lost , ifykyk lol 💀

[@Dirty-yi8nc]

"b-b-b-but once you mix it down they sound exactly the same!!!!" 😂💀

[@nukenoly8751]

FL 20 hits harder 😊

[@chiaki8965]

If ableton automatically clips audio that’s actually not a good thing sometimes people what to obtain a loud distorted sound that can only come from audio “not” being clipped. I swear I love/hate ableton so much its so pleasing to use but the quality is not there and its undeniable. Plz no one bring up a null test to me thanks.

[@Afiarchives]

Wish I understood this more lol. I have some OZ musiq 808s that are like that one you put in ableton, where you have to turn the gain down on the sample until it’s like below the top/bottom. When I turn it down it doesn’t hit as hard anymore. Then what do I do?

[@noakuu393]

Clipping brings distortion which can sometimes actually sound nice, especially on kicks and 808s. A lot of producers use it in their production to their benefit. However, this can be replicated with a soft clipper or some other distortion effects. Try those out and see

[@CEO.Charley]

Can you explain why everyone on Reddit says to get that “Pyrex whippa” 808 sound... he uses spinz, cut out knob, boosted , mixes into soft clipper loudly??? and let’s his 808 peak at 3db?? Is this just some idiocy being spread? I thought essentially 90% of the 808’s we hear (ie: nick mira using FL limiter, trav using limiter + TRacks clipper, Pyrex using soft clipper etc) are being clipped nonetheless ... mira talked about how none of the producer community understands clipping (I can vouche as I mindlessly copy people’s mixing method every other week lol) ... am I dumb and this is entirely different ‘clipping’?

[@isaacneuton10]

Pyrex doesn’t use the soft clipper nor does he master his beats just levels and eq the master. Clipping in terms of db is just when a sound a peaks past 0db. That can cause some distortion but I think it can sound good sometimes. Nick mira actually mixes his beats like a mix engineer hence he levels and limits the beats. I think Pyrex usually has his beats tracked out in pro tools for more control when mixing vocals. I seen a lot of 808 mafia do this. There is no right or wrong way to mix tho as long as it sound good.

[@jaybuck9124]

And they're still saying that all the daws sound the same, I even did the null test. They sound f*cking diffrent, imo fl has the best punchy drums sound.

[@asdfadsfaweraew]

they will sound different when you put samples in sampler. FL’s sampler is more compressed and thats why drum “hits” harder. Ableton default sampler setting is not suitable for 808 and so ableton user must know basic engineering in order to sound as professional as FL.

[@MONEYMINDSET-ENTERTAINMENT]

Hand downs. I´ve been working with Ableton since mid. 2000s and I´m still not happy with it´s audio engine meaning the way audio is reproduced. FL Studio sounds way better, regardless what´s on the masterbus or anything. The difference could be caused by using different programm language and codes (Delphi versus Ableton´s code), I guess.

[@Batnano]

"yeah just turn it down"

[@otflex4596]

Am I the first to comment on here?

[@giot2627]

Yes

[@pairadeau]

They still sound different when you turn them down and gain match.

[@hjkhhjkh3635]

@@axxojaxx2510Im glad someone else noticed that. All these dumbasses who don’t notice differences shouldn’t even produce music in the first place.

[@justunlimited87]

lmaoooo anyting bout this just super click bait at this point! lol joking joking

[@sebastiandavila9122]

real producers dont use DAWS

[@nicholasmarch3286]

Nah

[@hjon5988]

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