8GB on MacBook

[@TheGhostInTheWires]

They've been configuring their base model laptops with 8GB of RAM since 2012! That is insane. The fact that they put 8GB in an M3 MacBook "Pro" is criminal. They're bottlenecking an amazing chip by skimping on one of the cheapest components in the laptop. All so they can force people to pay their extortion prices on upgrades. The MacBook Pros should be running 24GB now at least. I love my 16" M1 Pro, but some of the stuff Apple does is so blatantly anti-consumer that it is insulting.

[@legendrose6828]

Brother i'm buying the M3 Pro 8GB 512GB Varient and it cost me $ 1722 Should I go for it ? my passion is to develop android apps and IOS apps, please help

[@mohsin_07]

@@legendrose6828 don't 8 GB ram in a pro model is crime ..... just spend more money (if you can ) and get the 16 GB model (at least 16 GB ) and if you don't have the budget then just get the AIR with 512 SSD and 16 GB RAM , it will do enough for you .... ALSO IT DEPENDS IF YOU ARE A Professional or just a beginner in APP DEVELOPMENT, If you are a beginner then M3 AIR is just fine for you BUT, if you are a professional then definitely get the PRO MODEL with at-least 512 SSD and 16GB RAM

[@legendrose6828]

@@mohsin_07 ok brother

[@itjustcrashed]

@@legendrose6828 I’m running 8gb on my M2 mini using Xcode, docker, Safari, Minecraft, and some iOS simulators and it is perfectly stable. Never have gotten a popup for memory before.

[@丁日光]

@@legendrose6828 Or just get a Windows machine if you develop games.

[@HuyenTran-pk5yr]

8 GB is said to be enough, but 8GB is 8GB, and it cannot hold 16GB of data

[@gopalkrishna9617]

@@HuyenTran-pk5yr 😂

[@sunnyy6295]

That's what they said. U can't compare 8gb ram of Mac to 16gb ram of windows. Apple does these shits all the time of weird and baseless comparisons

[@kaguraschimizu4609]

@@HuyenTran-pk5yr if 8 gb ram is enough because of efficiency, with that logic. 128 gb storage should also be enough because mac os uses less storage right?

[@matahari8539]

@@kaguraschimizu4609 Actually the disk swap can reach up to 90gb of ram which is the equivalent of 17 gb of ram on mac

[@dcpowered]

THIS. Spoken in simple terms.

[@blackpaperbold]

People start screaming that 8GB is not enough, I love that.

[@GrandSenator]

that way they gonna prove the US government right that apple are monopolizing their products lol

[@MrQuay03]

Most none-engineering/CS students, web surfers, watch youtube people would be fine with 8GB. People in this comment section are tech enthusiasts and are like what, ~5% of the general population at most I'm sure Apple will finally do 16GB as soon as Snapdragon X Elite get affordable

[@EnderRobber101]

@@MrQuay03 For computer science and machine learning. Ram is key

[@GamingwithBuddy]

@@EnderRobber101 gpu too

[@josuastangl7140]

If you like more than 5 tabs in your browser… 8GB is not enough

[@benchoflemons398]

It’s 8GB SHARED! it’s insane, even 16 is pathetic on a “pro” product

[@MrQuay03]

Then get 32GB, Apple is not stopping you

[@benchoflemons398]

@@MrQuay03 If a product is trash, then mentioning an upgraded version of said product does not excuse the product being trash

[@MrQuay03]

@@benchoflemons398 idk why you guys complain? Apple give people an affordable version of their products. More choices are better. You guys would rather Apple sell all their laptops 16GB based and $200 more by default?

[@LouisDuran]

​@@MrQuay03yes Apple sort of is stopping you by charging $400 for 24gb when we all know those parts are maybe $40-$50.

[@LouisDuran]

​@@MrQuay03LOL affordable version.. 😅😅😅

[@jacobmars1902]

my 4GB laptop running steam, discord, Door kickers 2 and Firefox with 5 tabs on ubuntu: “Pathetic”

[@imop285]

I feel sad for Windows and Mac users 😂😂.

[@0bsmith0]

Lots of swapping. It is pathetic.

[@jacobmars1902]

@@0bsmith0 you’ve obviously never done it then

[@0bsmith0]

@@jacobmars1902 Of course, because I know better. I'm not stupid.

[@beanmasterz]

I'm sorry for your disability

[@AhmedSh-nc6lj]

I will never ever buy a +1000$ laptop with ONLY 8 fkin GIGABYTES of RAM

[@JohnSmith-wl7gf]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@RitterdesbelarussNation]

Yeah. You can build a decent PC with 32GB of ram that can run everything at 1080p. Macbooks = scam.

[@portman8909]

Yeah but that PC can't be moved. The point still stands tho that charging £200 extra for 8GB of RAM is a scam from Apple.@@RitterdesbelarussNation

[@cant_sleeeep]

pretty much

[@saltymonke3682]

@RitterdesbelarussNation ah yeah scam, until you have to buy another laptop because your windows laptop scks after 5 years.

[@akin242002]

12GB would be fine for the Air as the minimum. 16GB for anything "Pro". Preferably 24-32GB for "Pro" laptops.

[@seederorg2489]

Oh no, why so much? 10.5 will be enough, no?

[@akin242002]

@@seederorg2489 No. 12GB for non-professional use minimum.

[@seederorg2489]

@@akin242002 do you realise how dumb you sound.

[@pepehimovic3135]

Excuse me, “Preferably 24-32”?!!! Is that just you or every Mac user? 🤯

[@tejassharma8569]

@@pepehimovic3135 For a "Pro" laptop considering that the RAM spec is shared between the CPU, GPU and the NPU (sleeping, waiting to get awakened by macOS 15 AI Siri update), yes. 24 GB should be the minimum.

[@snowwalker9999]

Steve Jobs would’ve never let this happen

[@give619sleep9]

he would have fired the whole staff behind it, i mean in a literal sense.

[@immortallix]

I don't think he would've let that stupid notch come to laptops either

[@portman8909]

Yeah his whole thing was about selling premium products for the increased price. 8GB RAM on a over 1k laptop is not premium!

[@beeldbuijs1003]

@@snowwalker9999 LoL You obviously have no clue about Steve Jobs 🥹 He *invented* this.

[@mba2808]

Of course he would. They sold first macbook air with 80GB SSD in 2008!!

[@gameguru7673]

There is Apple Math involved in RAM, Sam Tucker from Apple explained it 😂😂

[@Caoimhin777]

Love these shorts roasting the base storage & ram specs. Reviewers like yourself definitely need to pressure Apple to improve their base models

[@TechGameDev]

the guy is going to go around the world to say what to think of the mac with 8 GB of ram😂

[@rolasleyva8602]

well, he's right at least.

[@RetroBoxesShop]

and you want to hide that fact why?

[@LouisDuran]

8gb wouldn't be so bad... Some people who just use a browser and email and maybe some single tasking office apps. 8 GB might be ok. But to charge another $200 for the large number of people who need 16gb when we all know those memory chips are $20 is criminal. One of the main reasons I will never own another Mac

[@NotZawie]

Im trying to produce music with 10 tabs open on 8gbs of ram it sucks

[@ThePC007]

My entry-level M1 bottlenecks very harshly even for “basic” tasks such as research. Once you’ve opened a bunch of tabs and some Electron apps like VS Code and Obsidian those 8 Gigs just no longer hold up. I can’t imagine there are too many people out there whose workloads are even lighter than the research I do, yet can somehow justify paying $1000 for a laptop.

[@PineappleOnPizza69]

@@ThePC007 bunch of tabs and VS Code is not a basic task. Get a Pro. What i call a basic task is Safari tabs and a MS word.

[@RitterdesbelarussNation]

ARE YOU CRAZY? THIS IS A FU4KING 1000 DOLLARS LAPTOP. WHAT'S THE POINT OF A FU4KING 1000 DOLLAR CHROMEBOOK?

[@motalkbadazs]

“Large number of people” was such a politican sentence 😂. Most people don’t do heavy tasks their computers and simply watch videos, MS word, google docs, answer emails. Most people don’t “produce music” or “edit videos”. Most of us go to work & provide to our families. To those that do more, good for you. Macs last longer than windows so good luck with that.

[@WilliamLietz]

6 GB just to turn it on? AZisk's own 8GB video showed and explained that this isn't true; not only is it only 4.xx, about half of that is "held" memory that can be given back if a user process needs it. Not to say that stock Apple builds shouldn't have more than 8GB, but let's not lie when we don't have to.

[@miloradowicz]

To give back means to dump it on the SSD, which takes time. Then, when another process needs memory, the OS will have to dump it again. When you switch between tasks it swapping data to and from the SSD again and again. It's much slower than just having enough RAM.

[@iHawke]

Apple exec lied when he didn't have to

[@RitterdesbelarussNation]

8 gigs is just not enough for anything in 2024.

[@Sestaak]

MacOS usually eats around 2-2.5GB of memory, though it does populate spare memory with cached data so after a fresh boot you'll be sitting at around 6GB of memory used.

[@benjaminfphillips]

6g just for windows.. no way.. not a chance! Plus people fail to understand how memory works, especially in macos.

[@sphexie]

this speaks a lot about max tech and what they understand about computers. it’s not true that macos require 5-6 gb just when turned on. they can’t even understand that out of these 5 gb, more than 2 is cache, which will be cleared if the system thinks other user facing processes might need the memory. But yes, 16 gb for a 1.2k machine should be the base.

[@adriancoanda9227]

Actually, 32 gb ram as the igpu vram is shared from the actual ram

[@newolde1]

Valid point, but I wouldn't go as far as saying they don't understand computers. Windows does the same swapping out OS cache to use for other processes as needed. But, then you're really just just gimping your OS when you hit a critical limit, not to mention the igpu because it's all unified. And sure zero copy and the like make it pretty efficient. But at the end of the day, Ram is still ram..

[@AbidAli-bo8sv]

8GB is perfectly fine for most Apple buyers, because the most they would do is to watch KZbin, Netflix and browse through photos and most importantly showing-off Apple logo at Starbucks.

[@Excited_Cameleon]

And this group of people are usually the ones that don't even earn that much, lmao

[@GreatTaiwan]

@@Excited_Cameleon or ones who actually got a lot of money (from money and daddy that is)

[@brennenbridges3474]

8GB is perfectly fine for me. Currently enrolled in law school and use the base MacBook Air. The machine is plenty fast enough for my tasks, and even some gaming using crossover works just fine. I manage 30fps no issues.

[@丁日光]

@@brennenbridges3474 30fps? PATHETIC.

[@Thimira_Ayodya]

If anyone uses macbook air m2 please tell me does netflix play on 4k on safari or is it capped at 1080p

[@hectorrivera2785]

8 GB for Lightroom+ Photoshop or After Effects + Premiere??? No.

[@anantakrishna4462]

8 GB is fine for businesses who want their employees to focus on their work rather than 20 browser tabs. Or for students who can't afford more and should be writing their assignments. For everyone else it sucks.

[@beeldbuijs1003]

20 browser tabs on 8 GB is no problem either. Most people would never notice the difference between a mediocre and a completely maxed out PC or Mac. They just watch youtube and the socials. There, I said it.

[@jimmyjohn6479]

“students who can’t afford more” it’s apple they’re 1k at minimum

[@ruffmadman]

That channel is very pro-Mac, so its cool to see him say this. And its very true. In my experience, I find Windows actually uses less memory than MacOS on a cold boot.

[@fnShun]

They needed to compare 8 on Mac and 16 on Windows, but they did compare 16 Mac and 32 on Mac. Am I stupid or what?

[@teamredstudio7012]

8GB is fine for both Windows and Mac OS. Even 4GB is usable. People are just spoiled. The OS only uses extra RAM on idle if it's available for caching files and stuff. On Mac OS this is wired memory from closed applications. That memory is freed when necessary and in worst case you get paging. 8GB is fine.

[@tripleaGD_]

imagine your operating system using all your ram

[@juniferbilagantol7038]

I'm a Windows User though, however, I've been living my life with just 8GB of RAM. It does the job done, I'm a student and someone who loves to do intensive task by running and testing different programs. It has a lot of compromises, but on a day-to-day basis, it works fine, I also use this for the Affinity Apps, it can also edit on Davinci Resolve, but, only on cutting and combining clips together, can't handle color grading, unless you use some lighter video editing software like Kdenlive or you edit on the browser. But, as what people say, and as a tech nerd. 8GB is 8GB, it's good for average consumers, office work, writing, photo, publishing, and design edits are fine except if you use some of the AI features on the software like the "Generative AI" on Photoshop, it'll take minutes. I use an Athlon 200GE, so this is my experience with this PC. Can't upgrade because my older siblings have their own life to focus on and parents doesn't prioritized my PC experience.

[@sharonb.9128]

“I tested it!”…but not really. When I tested 16gb of Mac RAM against 32 of Windows “THE PERFORMANCE WAS PRETTY GOOD!” Test Apple base models against Windows machines. If the Elite chips are as good as predicted and give real competition, Apple WILL increase RAM. Business is business.

[@akin242002]

Also, factor in DDR4, DDR5, and high-end DDR5 Windows RAM. High-end DDR5 would be 7600 mhz. DDR4 Windows RAM is half the speed of any M2/M3 chip.

[@lunawense6288]

​@@akin242002This isn't quite accurate though. Windows has DDR and vram. The PS5 for example has 16gb of GDDR and 0.5gb DDR. The vram is much faster.

[@akin242002]

@@lunawense6288 We are comparing RAM speed to Apple's Macbooks and Mac Minis. Bringing up PS5 has nothing to do with the conversation.

[@SimonVaIe]

​@@akin242002 the ram speed doesn't tell you the whole story though, e.g. access times and bandwidth

[@anubisbling]

64gb for home pc/linux machine I push the limits to try and utilize over 32 to make myself feel better. 40gb on mac at work I sometimes have to figure out what to close to open an adobe product. Usually it's turning off a docker container.

[@VGamingJunkieVT]

Relying on Virtual Memory with an SSD isn't good. Even with newer SSD's, they have a limit to how many times they can be written to and constantly using it as emergency RAM is going to ensure it dies much faster.

[@Bhavesh_pftg]

Who's watching this after buying 8GB mac😅

[@aeriskabkr1110]

only fanboys and fangirls iSheeps buy it, who doesn't care about the performance of the laptop and doesn't care if it's overprice

[@joshdax2]

Right here. Lol im pissed. Should’ve have gotten 16gb

[@daq-ua]

@@aeriskabkr1110 or the fact that they use macbooks for video editing, etc which windows laptops are shit at

[@aeriskabkr1110]

@daq01lampa stay away from the comment section before you get embarrassed. Do you have any idea how many MacBook users compared to windows users.. in my company we don't use MacBook for video editing it's not worth the price, enjoy your 8GB mac

[@Bhavesh_pftg]

@@aeriskabkr1110 Before MacBook i used to use a Windows laptop for editing, programming etc but it was very laggy and the performance are worst and the battery backup eww, i don't care about brand i only care about the true value product and this is true i have 8GB ram mac but it is very nice qs compared to my old 16GB winodws dell laptop , i do everything on my mac whether it is editing or playing games or anything it never disspointed

[@nelsonfrank]

Thanks for this help to make the right decision

[@magfal]

Had Apple said it's equivalent to 10GB I could almost agree. You can credibly add the difference in overhead (Though you should add the 5 must have paid OS extensions that make MacOS bearable), not a percentage difference. All the major operating systems all support paging/swapping and memory compression. My 8GB micro laptop runs Linux like it had 3GB of ram extra as compared to when running on Windows for the same workloads on the same hardware. Mac is not quite as good, as Linux on memory efficiency so 8 feels like 10 not 11. My 16GB M1 Macbook Air definitely does not even match a Windows laptop with 24GB of ram in terms of useful memory capacity. Since it's a flat addition it matters less and less as you go up in comparative memory sizes.

[@mikesmith1290]

You have to look at when swap space starts kicking in with your particular use case. My base M1 mini does pretty good with somewhat large Logic Pro projects. Swap only really kicks in when I fire up superior Drummer 3, and that quickly ramps up the swap to 8GBs. I’m definitely going to get a Mac Studio with 32 gigs when the M4 comes out. For me, even 16 gigs isn’t enough to avoid swap.

[@Carlos_Lenz]

Please keep thrashing Apple and hopefully next gen they won’t try to pull out the same bs.

[@MrQuay03]

Yet they sell 8GB version like hot cakes

[@TheGhostInTheWires]

@@MrQuay03 Mostly to people who know nothing about computers and just assume since its new that it will be enough. In some cases thats true, but it's going to damage their image more in the long run when Grandma doesn't want to buy another Mac because it became unusable after two years as applications continue to become more resource intensive. Especially with the current trend of "lets shove AI in it" and process as much as possible of it on edge inference (which is Apple's plan for their AI endeavors, and that requires a lot of RAM since Apple uses unified memory that is shared with the GPU.)

[@Carlos_Lenz]

@@MrQuay03 I agree there’s a market for that price point but specially the entry-level MB pro with 8 GB is inexcusable IMO. It only exists with 8 GB to justify upgrade options for the Airs. And once you upgrade it to 16 GB it’s hard not to go for the true MB Pro. This whole thing makes no sense and inevitably Apple will eventually revisit those tiers and drop some options, simplifying manufacturing and being more consumer friendly.

[@MrQuay03]

@@Carlos_Lenz idk what you guys are using these with. The majority of people surf the web, stream videos, view documents, occasionally imovie, coding, Apple Arcade games. There is virtually no speed difference between 8GB and 16GB. People want fast, reliable, efficient machine like Macbook M1, you can put them to sleep for days without draining the battery, great screen, great sound, good keyboard. Of course, get the 16GB if you are heavy users.

[@0bsmith0]

Yes, they sell to people that don't have a clue. The Apple stereotype.

[@michaelp.6511]

6gig isn‘t just macos, also parts of installed apps are preloaded and also includes the graphics ram. As long you use the preinstalled apps 8gig will be fine e.g. streaming, watching movies, doing text and calculation stuff, surfing web, creating birthday party invites for the kids, creating family photo albums and look backs.

[@MoltenPie]

why would you need the latest silicon then? m1 would be indistinguishable in this set of tasks

[@michaelp.6511]

@@MoltenPie To be able to use the device with the latest features for as long as possible. The M1 will no longer receive OS updates sooner than the M3. This has nothing to do with the RAM.

[@Weaselszone]

That is because the device will be utilising swap, not because 8GB is enough. You forget that streaming (especially KZbin), browsing and productivity apps (Office 365, Google Suite, no sensible company uses just Apple's productivity suite) will always use more. In order to ensure that it doesn't crash, it uses Swap. However that isn't showing that 8GB RAM is enough, it's showing that a much worse fallback is required to avoid catastrophic failure because 8GB RAM is not enough.

[@michaelp.6511]

@@Weaselszone no sensible company should buy the base model… thanks for answering your own „question“.

[@Weaselszone]

@@michaelp.6511 It is rather convenient that you also forgot that students exist and people who do their own accounting. You're just showing more so on why the base model shouldn't exist. So that means no sensible person should either, because they're also definitely not going to get 7 years out of it. Thank you for adding a new point on top of mine. 8GB RAM is enough and never buy the base model. It's also convenient how all the technical explanations went over your head, too, because you now know 8GB isn't actually enough, so you're diverting to a different topic.

[@ffmde8268]

I just ordered the m3 pro 14 inch 18gb 512gb for adobe creative cloud and figma i assume this will be enough cuz mostly from adobe i use only photoshop So photoshop, Figma, Web browsing and mostly not very larg files This is the first time i will professionaly try a macbook because im a windows user And i hope those specs are fine and will not dissapoint me

[@nycrazy7]

@ffmde8268 how has it been going for you so far? I am also new to Apple. Any recommendations with settings & also entry level photo editing software?

[@GokuDUchiha]

Mac 8gb is not 16gb like windows but its like 12gb 🙌 MacBook Air should give basic 16gb ram 512gb with cooling fan must need under 90k price like 899$/949$

[@newolde1]

8gb is still 8gb. Is OSX more efficient than Windows, sure. But there are other OSs.. Most all linux distros are more efficient than OSX, for instance..

[@Oxymand1as]

I’ve a 16GB Mac Mini and a 8GB IMac both M1. They both work brilliantly. However I only use them for surfing, email and document editing and a lot of SSH remote terminals. I’m completely satisfied with the 8GB iMac and it’s a 4.5k display. The Mac Mini is overspeced and rarely uses more than 8GB. ;-)

[@tempeleng]

On an M1 MBA with only 8GB belonging to my wife, I notice the swap being used aggressively. Since the SSD isn't user replaceable I always remind her to keep opened tabs and apps to a minimum. Last I checked months ago smartctl reported around 1TB written to the drive. As a casual user (browsing news, social media, etc) I feel 1TB seems excessive seeing as she's only had the MBA for 2 years. Other than worrying about SSD health, it's been a very satisfying experience.

[@itjustcrashed]

Using Xcode, Safari, CarPlay Simulator, UTM, and running some docker stuff never felt more stable on my M2 8GiB Mac mini.

[@50V0N]

Okay bro 😂

[@Weaselszone]

Except the majority doesn't agree with you with less workload. Also your poor SSD.

[@Weaselszone]

Except the majority doesn't agree with you with less workload. Also your poor SSD.

[@itjustcrashed]

@@Weaselszone My usual computer-workspace involves me having Project IDX, Android Studio, and forgetting to close my Minecraft server and Xcode, all while running my Project IDX code in a Linux VM running Fedora 40 Workstation.

[@claudius8166]

@@itjustcrashed glad to hear that, im about to buy an m1 8gb and kinda worried if im gonna be able to do some programming. Could you tell me if is possible to run android studio + one emulator + couple of pages on chrome (not too much, just something like 5 to 6 open tabs)?

[@CleanDesign_]

MacOS does not use 6GB of RAM. Just because there is data sitting in RAM, doesn't mean it is "in use". You can install MacOS 15 on old Macs with 4GB of RAM with an HDD that can't even use swap, and MacOS runs. When I had an M1 MacBook Air I was running AAA games like the modern Resident Evil series and I was barely using 7GB total, sometimes it would dip down into 6GB. If MacOS was using 6GB of RAM, how would there be any RAM for the GPU to render Resident Evil and also have RAM for the actual game code too, on an 8GB MacBook Air?

[@parjau4554]

I've got the M1 Air with 8GB. Not quite 2x Windows but at least 1.5x. The 16GB probably is 2x.

[@abhiram5357]

I recently purchased a new midtier laptop with i5 1135g7 and 8gb ram and it came preinstalled with windows 11 and I must say I agree with how 8gb ram just isn't enough for modern OS, my RAM usage was 60-70% on idle (mostly due to RAM being cached) but still multitasking wasn't as ideal in windows for me. Switched to OpenSuse and now I'm able to run multiple tabs of firefox in one monitor and play genshin on my laptop without much issue.

[@naththoau]

For gaming on my PC with Windows 11 I go for 32gb of ram. Windows 11 already use some ram so you need lots of headroom in ram to be able to use heavy photoshop and video editing and to play fast moving gaming.

[@timothygibney159]

Arm uses double the ram compared to x86 because it’s risc and reduced instructions require twice the instructions to do the same task! Great power efficiency but more ram usage

[@prajwal_ku]

is the MacBook Air M3 15" 16 and 256 GB enough for Deep Learning tasks? I'm an AI grad student and looking for a new laptop. Or is it worth upgrading to Pro M3? Pro M3 doesn't offer a significant performance boost over 15" Air.

[@hosseinsalimi3228]

In my opinion go for an M3 pro with 18GB RAM or more because, in extreme Deep learning tasks, you will need a powerful graphic card unless buying a Google Colab subscription for GPU-related tasks. However, regardless of model, RAM has to be at least 16.

[@aleksandrmikhailov3255]

Everybody's discussing RAM but for me the real problem is SSD. I think they should use at least 1TB in 2024. I have about 500gb of osmo pocket 3 footage from my last vacation. How do I work with it on this laptop?

[@ggsoloplayer]

good content as always

[@mrluciferlucerna]

My windows laptop is using about 4.5GB of Ram right now, with just chrome open (16 total)

[@thethiny]

It's important to note that Windows users and Mac users do not use the OS for the same reasons, so yes, 16 GB for Windows is the minimum in order to do stuff that you won't do on the Mac. But if you're gonna use both for the same reasons, then Mac needs 1~2 GB less.

[@tomhuel-1]

Would u recommend 24Gb for a M3 Air?

[@dxbgaming4813]

Well it really depends what are you running and what are you doing. There are apps that are memory intensive and the are some needs more of CPU. As a developer a lot of my stuff needs more RAM whenever I use windows. Example I develop on Windows and I need WSL/WSL2 so it does eat a lot more of memory.

[@Melvinator2007]

This is literally wrong as most of the "used" ram is just beeing reserved for cache. Windows an mac os use more like 500mb-1gb of ram in idle

[@totaldomination247]

8gb is not acceptable in 2020 not 2024

[@iagomorandi6543]

M2 should get 16gb as base version, and also 256gb ssd is pathetic too

[@lumeronswift]

@@totaldomination247 Depends what you're doing. Raspberry Pi still come in 1GB/4GB configurations

[@TheRobot13]

It is for Linux users 😁

[@sanji663]

8 gb being acceptable died in 2016 for actual work

[@maximilianososa9033]

@@lumeronswift depending on price you mean? Pi costs 1k usd?

[@Nathan15038]

Yep as an Apple fan boy I do like to test drive a lot of Apple products a lot of them I do end up keeping but the thing that I haven’t kept recently was my M2 MacBook Air well actually two of them. The first one was because it was the cheapest model with 8GB RAM it was basically horrible in my opinion. Then the second one was a 15 inch MacBook Air M2 that I expected out to the highest amount of RAM and 2TB of storage I loved it, but the only thing was the new MacBook Pro just came out with the M3 chip and I ended up buying that instead. And don’t worry I also suspect that out to total came out to about $5500+ I basically over future proof that because like my older Macs this one will probably last me for 10 years. I went with the 16in highest M3 Max chip with 40 core GPU, 128GB of RAM, and the 2TB storage. I did that much ram mainly because I want to match the amount of ram in my main windows PC system right now. Also if you look at it with the other Apple products I own a $5500 Mac book wouldn’t really be surprising also Apples free financing is the best. And yes I personally enjoy it and believe it was well worth it because I have so much of the Apple ecosystem that this laptop works great for every day use and vacation.😊

[@ghostofuchiha8124]

in most cases its more than enough ; But 16 is 16 but for a student or a light progarmmer it works fine ;

[@tobslaq1948]

watching this on my mac m1 with 8gigs of ram that never gave me a problem

[@50Steaks68]

Yes it only has 8 gigs, but for large projects it’ll use SSD instead of RAM once it fills up. So it’s not really as bad as they’re saying it is

[@GioKuster-s8m]

Yeah until your ssd dies cause its being used as ram. An ssd should not be used as a ram replacement or excuse for less ram

[@50Steaks68]

@@GioKuster-s8m fair but for lighter users that won’t really be a big issue, this is why you upgrade to 16 gigs if you know you’ll need it

[@50Steaks68]

It’s not like snapdragon is really able to stack up against Apple yet anyways. Windows arm is too new to be actual competition and the battery life is worse and there’s a fan

[@-Blue-_]

@@50Steaks68 in mobile they are already ahead of apple in multicore and GPU performance but isheeps like you are unable to see this

[@50Steaks68]

@@-Blue-_ that’s true, but in day to day use apple silicon is just way WAY more efficient

[@88fingerspro]

I honestly think 8GB of ram can work depending on your use case. I have an M3 base spec laptop (8GB RAM, 256GB Drive). I do some work in sketchup (not a full pro here), and I’m able to render 3D lighting software from twinmotion with it. It’s surprisingly snappy. I also use a lot of programs simultaneously, which I know is more relevant to RAM. However, I don’t use this computer for hardcore things like I do on my production computer. The M3 is mostly for daily low power things like email, KZbin, programs to run AV at my church, and light video editing. So, depending on your use case, you can get a ton of mileage out of 8GB, and I’m proof that it’s actually true. Still, with all that being said, 8GB is clearly not the same as 16GB 😂🤣😂🤣 🤷🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️

[@toadlguy]

Sorry Max, not true. The OS uses about 4 GBs and gets out of the way when more memory is needed. I have a 8GB Mac Mini (M1) and can run the latest llama3 8B directly on the silicone ((no swap). You can also run a 6GB container (not great, but you can do it).

[@istvanszabo5745]

It will use 6 gbs of memory. The difference is that when you have such a low amount of ram, the os will save up some ram (for other programs), in this case 2 gbs and, and put those 2 gbs of data on your ssd. Accessing data from an ssd is much, much slower than accessing it from ram, so your system will feel slower. There are videos on youtube that shows that when you have quite a few tabs open in your web browser, it takes like a second to switch between tabs. I dont know about you, but if i buy a laptop for so much money and it lags when im just browsing the internet because they scammed me by not putting in a component that costs basically nothing these days, id be really mad. You can now crawl back into your cave, apple fanboi.

[@0bsmith0]

That's a system that will be swapping. Not good for a system.

[@StefTechSurfer]

*Checks MacBook Pro lineup*: 3/4 base configs all start with 8GB RAM in 2024, wut?!

[@LanHikari90]

Well. I'm using an M1 Mac Mini with 8 GB right now and it's enough for regular tasks like media consumption and stuff like that. Depends on what you're going to do. macOS doesn't use 6 GB just to turn on and use, though. That's false.

[@monk3y206]

as someone who's left winblows for almost a decade and never used a mac before, hearing they require 6GB just for OS is insane, wow

[@RealHomeboy]

They don’t, the OS just starts loading in data closer to the CPU to cache stuff. MacOS doesn’t need 6GB to run. They lie

[@AyyanarLost]

People giving overprice for a laptop because of its brand value. The brand value :lying

[@akshitsharma466]

I think he's wrong about macos using 6 gb ram I have a 8gb macbook it uses 4-4.5 gb of ram idle what I think that if we buy a 16 gb of ram macbook the macos will definitely going to use more ram maybe 6 gb also my recommendation to definitely go for 16 gb of u can afford

[@Bluestarferies]

I have the 16GB m1 air and it uses 9gb when I boot it up.

[@aeriskabkr1110]

TRUTH really hurts for iSheeps,, go on and keep defending your favorite brand

[@cidluiz]

Even the Mac boys know about the Apple RAM SCAM

[@nadred5396]

8gb is fine for most people, the majority of the world doesn’t use their laptop to game, develop software etc. They just watch KZbin, use Microsoft word, google chrome, check emails.

[@daurenofficial]

If I only use office applications, wouldn't 8gb be enough?

[@alejob54]

Yes. You should be fine

[@ThePC007]

Assuming you don’t use your Mac for research purposes (which would require you to open lots of tabs in your browser), then yeah, I guess.

[@lucasevans4690]

I have an m1 MacBook air with only 8gb and it runs perfectly fine. If you are not a power user you won't have a problem. The problem with a lot of KZbinr reviews of laptops is that they are all video editors and think everyone else is. Average person needs something to browse the web and do spreadsheets.

[@jobo_o]

I would say 8gb is enough for the daily consumer as unified ram is much more efficient than the traditional RAM we are used to. 16gb of unified RAM would be recommended for heavy multitasking and video or photo editing, in my opinion.

[@isaacthakur7780]

@@jobo_o I get that 8gb is enough for daily use, but even the MBAs are very costly compared to counterparts, honestly if they were a bit cheaper and the upgrade costs were better, it would be a great deal, but not everyone has got such money to buy a single purpose machine, while you can do more things on a windows machine for much lesser cost.

[@thedausthed]

@@jobo_o Fact check: FALSE! Unified memory means that the RAM is shared between the CPU and GPU (and shares an address space) which means that a large amount of RAM is used up by the GPU for graphics data, unlike systems with a dedicated GPU. Unified memory is also on all modern Intel and AMD CPUs with integrated graphics.

[@jobo_o]

@@thedausthed npc ahh reply true but looks like it was made by an ai

[@danielhandika8767]

And here I am using Linux where 8gb is more than enough, at least for my use case

[@m_y_h]

meanwhile linux taking only 2gb to work

[@TheSpotify95]

8GB RAM in a "professional" laptop is criminal. Even Microsoft's Surface Pro - which is more deserving of the name "Pro", ships with 16GB base value now!

[@DRSDavidSoft]

Nobody is going to mention this, but more RAM eats more power out of your battery. Apple decided that the extra battery runtime is more precious than keeping more apps in the background at the same time. A laptop with 256GB of memory will drain the battery much quicker even if you only use 20GB of that memory. These RAM chips are power hungry beasts.

[@jimmyjohn6479]

no they just knew people would buy it anyways

[@ozlemeryigit9584]

Bro the thumbnail literally says 8GB on Mac=16GB on Windows wdym that’s not true💀

[@maxvideodrome4215]

Home computer for past 7 years. I go for minimum of 128 GB because I’m unhinged. New laptop I bought, 64GB

[@sunnantariq723]

Apple now uses 16 18 and 36

[@GarrettTheCarrot]

Of course I see this after I buy an 8gb MacBook 😭

[@SriMadhavDGS]

Same

[@Zebra_Paw]

Windows uses 6GB because it's got too much bloatware and random crap. AtlasOS is a lot lighter while not removing too much. macOS uses 6GB because the latest versions are just heavy asf, CPU wise too

[@Anonymous-g8v]

I have base m2 MacBook Air only had a few beach balls and slow ssd speeds but other than that its a very good computer ps (midnight fingerprints annoying)

[@sagarkorde]

They should start making 16GB as standard one. They can start with M4.

[@HelloThere...]

Okay. But guys… while it’s true that 8GB is a joke these days, he clearly doesn’t understand how RAM or unified memory works. Unused RAM is wasted ram. For instance, if a device with 32GB of unified memory or RAM were to boot up the same OS on the other device using 6GB idle, it would use about 20GB, probably-not 6. Devices are made by smart people, and they know that ram is better put to use by using it and not just sitting there. So, yes, it’s too little, but no, that’s not how this works!

[@jimmyjohn6479]

what😭

[@LennySharer9]

If you guys think 8GB of RAM is unacceptable, wait till y’all see my teachers, them mfs have 30 chrome tabs, 15 PowerPoints, 7 word documents, 3 excel spreadsheets & Microsoft teams all running on a BASE MODEL M1 MacBook Air

[@nothabibikah24]

The thing about windows is that you can upgrade the ram on every normal machine (laptop or desktop), but Mac you can’t!

[@medou99]

Bruv i got off the mac hype train when i realized i could build the same mac in about 50 percent of the cost on pc. 😂 i never looked back

[@SahilP2648]

Macs are a godsend for software developers though. I can now see why people use them (before Apple silicon I agree it didn't make much sense).

[@medou99]

@SahilP2648 but if you really wanted OS software you could just do that instead of installing windows. For my home computer it just never made economical sense to buy a Mac. The performance of macs are always lagging behind, older hardware, over priced, sometimes not even offering new hardware. And for my laptop, I just need it to browse the internet most of the time, so a Google Chrome book does just fine at what 250 dollars. Forget about repairs on a Mac you might as well buy a new pc. I repeat there is no good reason to buy a Mac unless you like burning money.

[@SahilP2648]

@@medou99 so you aren't a software developer. Become one to know why Macs are a godsend.

[@mitchelllukovsky6197]

@@SahilP2648I use Mac for software dev. It’s not much better than windows

[@medou99]

@SahilP2648 I am not a software developer so I don't know anything how that would be a godsend. So I couldn't comment on that, but I feel like most of us aren't. What would stop you from installing an os operating system on a pc you build.

[@dtechb]

Where is the video

[@tejasv574]

8GB is enough for MacBook Air, but Apple must provide with at least 16GB of RAM on MacBook Pro, Mac mini, Mac Studio, Mac Pro, and iMac. Also, they should provide with at least 512GB of nVME SSD as base storage for MacBook Air, and 1TB for rest of the Mac products. I mean, the regular Apple users and loyal customers, deserve at least this much.

[@zedpopper]

You can't wipe you ass with 8 GB. 32 GB is $60 RETAIL! There is no excuse for anything more than a Chromebook ship with less.

[@shivam_7208]

I wonder who is the one recommending this in apple head quarter to give 8 gigs of ram ?

[@wlockuz4467]

For the price they charge I would expect 1TB of RAM.

[@thecsslife]

I'm using up 11GB RAM with just 1 tab of KZbin - I'm using the M3 Pro.

[@gotj]

Chrome alone needs 8GB :-)

[@50Steaks68]

Please don’t use chrome it takes up gigabytes of precious storage, eats all your battery life, and doesn’t block ads unless you get extensions which they’re probably just gonna get rid of. Use brave

[@josuastangl7140]

@@50Steaks68Brave works, so does Chrome with adblock

[@ThePC007]

Did they finally fix the Keystone issue?

[@iamking727]

why i cant find this video before buying an 8 gigs model of M3 chip

[@Heygamer502]

I still use 4gb for windows 11

[@theworldoffun8997]

6 gigs to turn on? My heavily bloated Fedora set-up consumes 6 when browsing the internet, telegram and mastodon at the same time and only 2.7 when turned on

[@SpencerLupul]

isnt it true that 16gb uses more energy? so therefore less battery life?

[@emiliosalas6852]

No, the difference is marginal

[@LexPronin]

Just when you tryng to download some soft like DaVinci or Andoid Studio you can see redomended needed RAM for them. And always same for both OS.

[@KoeiNL]

I guess people saying 8GB is fine just proves most Apple users don't do actual work on their Macbooks.

[@saucekilla2136]

I’m sad I’m paying off a m2 MacBook Air I just got it not even 2 weeks ago :/

[@ochiorbus]

But then why there are reviewers editing videos on 8gb base models?

[@hermanwooster8944]

They can do it. It just takes longer to do certain tasks than the 16GB version. Sometimes 50% longer.

[@ochiorbus]

@@hermanwooster8944 because its swapping memory or why?

[@hermanwooster8944]

@@ochiorbus Yes. There's not enough RAM so the SSD has to do double duty acting as additional RAM. Not only is it slower, but you're writing more to the SSD. Generally the SSD can handle hundreds of terabytes of writing to the drive, but if you plan on using the laptop for 10 years as its doing all of these swaps, there's a chance you could actually use up your drive, and it's not easy to replace an SSD in a Mac because its soldered to the board.

[@ThePC007]

@@hermanwooster8944 If that was all there is to it (long-running tasks taking longer to run) it wouldn’t be that bad, frankly. The issue is, it’s not. MacOS becomes visibly laggy when it starts swapping, especially when switching between spaces. Also, to provide context, I have lost about 9 % of my SSD’s capacity after 3 years of using my entry-level M1 MacBook Air as my main machine.

[@nakedeye44]

And here I am using a window 10 2 in 1 with 2 gb of ram 😅

[@Dominus_Potatus]

Laptop in 2024, if really want to pushe the budget should either have at least 12 GB. Either it is upgradeable, 8GB + 1 upgradeable, or soldered min. 12 GB. If we are seeing in the future, ideally, we need at least 16GB so it can run for at least 5 years with no issue. It is regardless of professional use. If 6GB is used only for OS (well, it reserve some memory to get snappier experience), and chrome needs at least 2 GB in my daily use... we know it is not enough. And remember that Macbook air uses unified memory while some Windows laptop has dedicated memory for GPU, so technically 8GB RAM + 4GB VRAM. Those 4 GB VRAM will be more useful if you need to edit video or use light Ai stuffs